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Beletre Gallente	Posted - 2006.11.07 15:51:00 - [1] Nice place... if you like tence silence. Figured was only a few jumps over, would check the place out, bring along a few medical supplies had on hand in case were desired. If wasn't for the newscases, would think was a dead planet. Heck, a dead system. Plenty of Customs agents at the gate, but zero activity around the planet. Anyone else take a gander?
Faraelle Brightman Gallente Placid Reborn Placid Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.07 17:02:00 - [2] I looked up the route from Placid, figured I could be there in less than half an hour with a fast ship. If I do go I'll post an update.
Verone Veto.	Posted - 2006.11.07 18:14:00 - [3] Interesting... WWW.VETO-CORP.COM
Irias Salo Caldari The Star Wolves	Posted - 2006.11.07 18:21:00 - [4] Having just been there myself I can comfirm that theres no presence of State ships over the planet, however as its a ground base instalation then for all we know the fighting could be contained to the mines themselves.
Faraelle Brightman Gallente Placid Reborn Placid Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.07 20:59:00 - [5] I didn't get to Kassigainen, however this is comming in over one of the Gallente pilot channels: A releif convoy was sent into Kassigainen from Gallente space, escorted by Fed Navy ships (dispite the CEP saying they weren't wanted). They were stopped at the gate by Caldari Navy ships. No shots were exchanged between the two, but local pirates attacked the convoy while the Caldari Navy ships watched; those escorting the convoy fought off what they could and fell back into Gallente systems.
Irias Salo Caldari The Star Wolves	Posted - 2006.11.07 21:05:00 - [6] Originally by: Faraelle Brightman I didn't get to Kassigainen, however this is comming in over one of the Gallente pilot channels: A releif convoy was sent into Kassigainen from Gallente space, escorted by Fed Navy ships (dispite the CEP saying they weren't wanted). They were stopped at the gate by Caldari Navy ships. No shots were exchanged between the two, but local pirates attacked the convoy while the Caldari Navy ships watched; those escorting the convoy fought off what they could and fell back into Gallente systems. Intresting, I'm really starting to feel that theres somthing else that hasn't yet been told involved. Do you know if the cargo was salvaged, by either Caldari pilots or by Gallentean?
Verone Veto.	Posted - 2006.11.07 21:06:00 - [7] Originally by: Faraelle Brightman I didn't get to Kassigainen, however this is comming in over one of the Gallente pilot channels: A releif convoy was sent into Kassigainen from Gallente space, escorted by Fed Navy ships (dispite the CEP saying they weren't wanted). They were stopped at the gate by Caldari Navy ships. No shots were exchanged between the two, but local pirates attacked the convoy while the Caldari Navy ships watched; those escorting the convoy fought off what they could and fell back into Gallente systems. It would appear the Home Guard were none too pleased with regard to the presence of Federation Navy combat vessels. Veto, along with several other entities took care of what should have been done. WWW.VETO-CORP.COM
Faraelle Brightman Gallente Placid Reborn Placid Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.07 21:27:00 - [8] Originally by: Verone It would appear the Home Guard were none too pleased with regard to the presence of Federation Navy combat vessels. Veto, along with several other entities took care of what should have been done. And since when does an unaffiliated pirate organization have a legit say in what "should" be done between nations? I for one would much rather see peace between Gallente and Caldari again, and by all accounts the convoy was a peacefull mission. I'm sure some people will call your actions an outrage but it would probably be wasted energy since pirates don't seem to care for the concequences of what they try to destroy.
Verone Veto.	Posted - 2006.11.07 21:36:00 - [9] Originally by: Faraelle Brightman Originally by: Verone It would appear the Home Guard were none too pleased with regard to the presence of Federation Navy combat vessels. Veto, along with several other entities took care of what should have been done. And since when does an unaffiliated pirate organization have a legit say in what "should" be done between nations? I for one would much rather see peace between Gallente and Caldari again, and by all accounts the convoy was a peacefull mission. I'm sure some people will call your actions an outrage but it would probably be wasted energy since pirates don't seem to care for the concequences of what they try to destroy. An outrage? I'm flattered. ...and you're right... we don't care for the consequences of what we try to destroy, if we did it would affect our profit margin. WWW.VETO-CORP.COM
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.08 09:37:00 - [10] Interstellar relief efforts often take weeks if not months of preparation to get off the ground. Just look at recent events on Reschard V. It seems somewhat suspicious to me that the Federal authorities just happened to have a relief convoy complete with marines in the area. It's almost as though they knew that something was going to happen... Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori It's great being Amarr, ain't it?

Monty Tomasi Phoenix Wing	Posted - 2006.11.08 11:52:00 - [11] Edited by: Monty Tomasi on 08/11/2006 11:57:15 Mr. Blake, the type of the relief effort in Reschard V was quite different to that in Kassigainen IV. Also, the scale of the destruction on Reschard V prevented any landing from occurring for some time. However, it does indeed look as if the relief apparatus of the Federal government has learnt some valuable lessons and was able to dispatch a convoy in very good time. The reason for the marines onboard the convoy was to help move the supplies, anything further read in to that matter is in my view conspiratorial speculation. If only the dastardly Veto had not committed their acts unprovoked aggression then diplomatic efforts could have resolved the stand-off and the much needed supplies be delivered. It saddens me that this gesture of goodwill was dashed in such a tragic manner.
Solarienne Caldari Steel Frontier Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.08 12:51:00 - [12] That gesture of goodwill could have been to ask for a Caldari escort for the convoy, rather then sending an unwanted Gallente military presence into Caldari space. Though I do not agree with the actions of Veto, I do eleive that the only reason true Caldari patriots did not attack was because there was not confirmatino to shoot from on high. i am sure that if the convoy had tried to 'help' further then there would have been a much larger incident. The state will provide for it's own as it has always done, I hope.
Beletre Gallente	Posted - 2006.11.08 14:50:00 - [13] Originally by: Solarienne The state will provide for it's own as it has always done, I hope. Which is exactly the worry the rest of us hold. Far better to 'provide' while there's still a large number of survivors, rather then waiting until too many are dead for any objections to be voiced about what is 'provided' and how.
Mithrantir Ob'lontra Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2006.11.08 22:13:00 - [14] Originally by: Solarienne That gesture of goodwill could have been to ask for a Caldari escort for the convoy, rather then sending an unwanted Gallente military presence into Caldari space. Though I do not agree with the actions of Veto, I do eleive that the only reason true Caldari patriots did not attack was because there was not confirmatino to shoot from on high. i am sure that if the convoy had tried to 'help' further then there would have been a much larger incident. The state will provide for it's own as it has always done, I hope. The problem is that CEP denied every help under any terms. And that doesn't have to do with the slaughter that the rumours whisper that is going on there. Well if it does then something is very rotten within the State, and i am sure that it will haunt the State for some time. Not to mention that whatever is going on that planet, it will surely have a ripple effect throughout the State and maybe the Universe. If the denial has nothing to do with the incident itself, then you as a Nation have some thinking and decision taking to do. Are you willing to literally isolate your State from the rest of the world, leaving the rumours to spread the various conditions of the planetside life in your worlds? Are you willing to slowly become nothing more than a nation that does not evolve (and i don't mean technologically) and is doomed to stagnation due to the lack of interaction with other cultures? ------- Nobody can be exactly like me. Even I have trouble doing it.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.11.09 00:25:00 - [15] Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra Originally by: Solarienne That gesture of goodwill could have been to ask for a Caldari escort for the convoy, rather then sending an unwanted Gallente military presence into Caldari space. Though I do not agree with the actions of Veto, I do eleive that the only reason true Caldari patriots did not attack was because there was not confirmatino to shoot from on high. i am sure that if the convoy had tried to 'help' further then there would have been a much larger incident. The state will provide for it's own as it has always done, I hope. The problem is that CEP denied every help under any terms. And that doesn't have to do with the slaughter that the rumours whisper that is going on there. Well if it does then something is very rotten within the State, and i am sure that it will haunt the State for some time. Not to mention that whatever is going on that planet, it will surely have a ripple effect throughout the State and maybe the Universe. If the denial has nothing to do with the incident itself, then you as a Nation have some thinking and decision taking to do. Are you willing to literally isolate your State from the rest of the world, leaving the rumours to spread the various conditions of the planetside life in your worlds? Are you willing to slowly become nothing more than a nation that does not evolve (and i don't mean technologically) and is doomed to stagnation due to the lack of interaction with other cultures? So because offers of help were turned down, that suddenly gave the Federation the right to just send ships? You might want to inform your government that the Caldari aren't part of the Federation, the time you could do whatever the hell you want without asking us, ended quite some time ago. Have you ever stopped to think that help was denied because it wasn't needed? Maybe you should ask your president where the Reshard aid has been sitting? Oh right, they had nothing to gain from trying to help the survivors of Reshard V, whereas in this case, they saw the chance to try and 'aid' people, with the use of an invasion force. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Devilish Ledoux Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.11.09 00:34:00 - [16] I have decided to a small portion of my wealth to help things along in Kassigainen. I recently delivered 500 units of Small Arms and 500,000 rounds of standard ammunition to the station. I then hired the dodgiest individual I could find to guard them. I dropped broad hints that I would never be returning to the station and that I could care less if the weaponry just happened to disappear. Now, it's time to sit back and let nature take its course. _ The Billionaire Buccaneer (Now with 50% more Roleplay!)
Jon Engel APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2006.11.09 08:35:00 - [17] Im no fan of Kalaakiota Corporation or it's Home Gaurd affiliate. Although, I do not wish to see an isolate incident turn into an international dispute. The best thing to do wouldve been to accept the goods in an orbital station and have a Caldari Navy Escort transport them to the surface, themselves. Couldve saved a lot of lives on the Fed ships. But hell, Veto popped em all anyways... Point is, If this is an isolated event, a serious investigate needs to be undertaken into the practices of Kalaakiota. The CBT, and the CEP, need to get proactive on this. Let the Caldari Navy, or Mordus Legion keep the peace there. I do not trust Practicals. Theyre all criminals in my eye.
Mithrantir Ob'lontra Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2006.11.09 14:49:00 - [18] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra other quote removed ... The problem is that CEP denied every help under any terms. And that doesn't have to do with the slaughter that the rumours whisper that is going on there. Well if it does then something is very rotten within the State, and i am sure that it will haunt the State for some time. Not to mention that whatever is going on that planet, it will surely have a ripple effect throughout the State and maybe the Universe. If the denial has nothing to do with the incident itself, then you as a Nation have some thinking and decision taking to do. Are you willing to literally isolate your State from the rest of the world, leaving the rumours to spread the various conditions of the planetside life in your worlds? Are you willing to slowly become nothing more than a nation that does not evolve (and i don't mean technologically) and is doomed to stagnation due to the lack of interaction with other cultures? So because offers of help were turned down, that suddenly gave the Federation the right to just send ships? You might want to inform your government that the Caldari aren't part of the Federation, the time you could do whatever the hell you want without asking us, ended quite some time ago. Have you ever stopped to think that help was denied because it wasn't needed? Maybe you should ask your president where the Reshard aid has been sitting? Oh right, they had nothing to gain from trying to help the survivors of Reshard V, whereas in this case, they saw the chance to try and 'aid' people, with the use of an invasion force. Looks like you are proving my points. Sorry to see that. As for the help that was send, since you did not need it it doesn't mean that the Home Guard should stand and watch the convoy being hit by pirates. In case you don't know, that is called diplomatic relations. And by the lack of action the Home Guard showed the diplomatic relations that is wanted between the Federation and the State. My goverment is well informed that the Caldari State is a different nation, independent and all that. The problem is that you are still enslaved in the visions of hatred and war. Too bad to see this proved. And let me ask you who said that it wasn't needed. The CEP? I have a very good hunch that they don't know what is going on on that planet too. I bet that if the convoy was Amarrian it would be welcomed no second thoughts. As for Reschard i suggest first read what have happened to the planet and then start spitting words around for the lack of help. You can follow this to see what was going on. As you will notice aid was there from day 1 despite your propaganda. As for the invasion force comment, i find it laughable. I wonder what kind of people someone would expect onboard of Federation Navy ships, miners? Please spare us the drama. You denied the help and that is ok, your choice after all. But the inaction of your forces while in front of them attrocities were commited, was way more worse and stunting. It was a straightforward expression of hostility if you ask me. ------- Nobody can be exactly like me. Even I have trouble doing it.
Kailea Shandrasekkar Caldari Tsurokigaarai Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.11.09 15:49:00 - [19] Originally by: Jon Engel I do not trust Practicals. Theyre all criminals in my eye. I can't agree more. Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra I wonder what kind of people someone would expect onboard of Federation Navy ships, miners? Please spare us the drama. According to article 37a of the Yulai Convention, vessels of national navies are explicitly forbidden from docking at other national navies' stations; I believe there's a paragraph explicit forbidding presence of national navies without proper clearance as well. In that case, Foiritan should know better than to violate the Yulai Convention and send brave Commander Dirai Guvera to meet his doom. Keep in mind that we don't have a government entity like yours, able to lie and deceive and still keep face. If Kaalakiota is found guilty of crimes by the Caldari Business Tribunal, it'll be dissolved - its properties shared among the other CEP members. The price demanded for the most precious of all things in life is life itself: Ultimate cost for perfect value.
Horza Kendrick Gallente	Posted - 2006.11.09 15:55:00 - [20] Quote: vessels of national navies are explicitly forbidden from docking at other national navies' stations; So all those lost ships were docked at a Caldari Navy Station then? Veto were just upholding hte "law"? I must have missed that part of the news broadcast!!

Kailea Shandrasekkar Caldari Tsurokigaarai Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.11.09 16:06:00 - [21] Edited by: Kailea Shandrasekkar on 09/11/2006 16:07:27 Originally by: Horza Kendrick Quote: vessels of national navies are explicitly forbidden from docking at other national navies' stations; I believe there's a paragraph explicit forbidding presence of national navies without proper clearance as well. So all those lost ships were docked at a Caldari Navy Station then? Veto were just upholding hte "law"? I must have missed that part of the news broadcast!! Here, i fixed your quoting. Now be a good puppy, and read all the post before hitting the reply button - or i'll assume you just tried to put it out of context to your own poor benefit. And, about the News broadcast... welcome to the world of propaganda. You read what they want you to read. The price demanded for the most precious of all things in life is life itself: Ultimate cost for perfect value.
Horza Kendrick Gallente	Posted - 2006.11.09 16:18:00 - [22] It's questionable what benefit I would gain from any of this, in or out of context. I'm disgusted by the actions of my own government, I'm sadened by the loss of life and I'm puzzled by Veto being used to enforce this Yulai Convention. Perhaps I'm out of touch with the normalities of that area but it seems an unusual way of upholding the law. In all there seems to be a lot of Caldari backslapping going on. You can't all be taken in!?
Maldon Perriera	Posted - 2006.11.09 16:37:00 - [23] Originally by: Kailea Shandrasekkar Originally by: Jon Engel I do not trust Practicals. Theyre all criminals in my eye. I can't agree more. Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra I wonder what kind of people someone would expect onboard of Federation Navy ships, miners? Please spare us the drama. According to article 37a of the Yulai Convention, vessels of national navies are explicitly forbidden from docking at other national navies' stations; I believe there's a paragraph explicit forbidding presence of national navies without proper clearance as well. In that case, Foiritan should know better than to violate the Yulai Convention and send brave Commander Dirai Guvera to meet his doom. Keep in mind that we don't have a government entity like yours, able to lie and deceive and still keep face. If Kaalakiota is found guilty of crimes by the Caldari Business Tribunal, it'll be dissolved - its properties shared among the other CEP members. The why the employess are being treated is not a crime? The fact they have a private police force that has no respect for the rights of the employess or the acussed is not a crime? If this is true than the caldari state is even more corrupt and evil than I had imagiened. No better than the amarr they are.
Daelin Blackleaf	Posted - 2006.11.09 17:18:00 - [24] Edited by: Daelin Blackleaf on 09/11/2006 17:20:54 Edited by: Daelin Blackleaf on 09/11/2006 17:20:23 Am I to take it the Caldari have no issue with mercenary groups creating tense political situations within their space? Either your government approves of the actions taken that day or were in some way involved, unless of course I should be proven wrong by some kind of inquiry from the state into just what Veto and their unidentified employer were trying to achieve. To stand by and watch the lives of others extinguished in your space without your authority (if it was without Caldari authority) is remarkable, and indeed the lack of action from Caldari Navy personnel shows an alarming lack of either procedure or intelligence. That or the presence of fear amongst your ranks. I can only wonder what the Amarrians response would have been had you allowed an organisation to wipe out forces belonging to them in your space. Yes, it is your sovereign right to defend your space and believe it or not I feel your Navy are quite within their rights to defend their territory against an unwanted incursion from any party by whatever means are deemed necessary. However from this incident I see that the State is either employing mercenaries to do their dirtywork or are incapable of keeping their space secure.
Svetlana Scarlet Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.11.09 17:28:00 - [25] Originally by: Maldon Perriera [The why the employess are being treated is not a crime? The fact they have a private police force that has no respect for the rights of the employess or the acussed is not a crime? If this is true than the caldari state is even more corrupt and evil than I had imagiened. No better than the amarr they are. The way the employees is being treated is irrelevant. By law, Caldari citizens are guaranteed certain rights regardless of their place of residence or their parent corporation, though the right to simply disregard a signed contract is not one of them. If Caldari labor statutes are being violated, it will be the CEP and CBT who will intervene in the Kassigainen situation -- not the Gallente Federation. The authority of the Federation ends at the borders of their space, and any attempt to force Gallente authority on Caldari territory will be, as in this case, treated as a violation of our sovereignity and of the Yulai accords. This action has recklessly brought the State and Federation closer to war than almost any other incident in the recent past -- frankly, it is only our desire to keep the peace which has kept us from treating this as the act of war it most surely could be considered to be. As for the Home Guard, it has never been any secret that all of the CEP member corporations are entitled to maintain a private security force for the sa***uarding of their assets and to ensure an equitable distribution of power throughout the Caldari State. Whereas the Federation claims to have "checks and balances" in their system of government, by and large it is mostly toothless, and prone to the whims of the masses. In the State, the CEP members maintain oversight on each other and have the force to ensure that any entity within the State which violates Caldari law shall be duly punished in accord with the dictates of the CEP. If you are ignorant of this fact, it is because you simply do not know anything about the Caldari State and its government, and not because it has been hidden from you. Frankly, your ignorance and hysterics are shameful, and I should hope that you are not typical of the average Gallente. --
Faraelle Brightman Gallente Placid Reborn Placid Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.09 17:33:00 - [26] Originally by: Svetlana Scarlet Frankly, your ignorance and hysterics are shameful, and I should hope that you are not typical of the average Gallente. Some of us "average" Gallente don't want to be associated with her, I'll say that. :P
Kailea Shandrasekkar Caldari Tsurokigaarai Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.11.09 18:04:00 - [27] Originally by: Maldon Perriera The why the employees are being treated is not a crime? The fact they have a private police force that has no respect for the rights of the employess or the acused is not a crime? If this is true than the caldari state is even more corrupt and evil than I had imagiened. No better than the amarr they are. The focus of this discussion is the Federation's breach of Yulai Convention. The way our employees are treated is a concern of Caldari State only, altho i can say it's our best interest to keep our employees with productive quality lifestyles - they produce much more when they've no mundane worries. Your argument have no facts. The price demanded for the most precious of all things in life is life itself: Ultimate cost for perfect value.
Mithrantir Ob'lontra Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2006.11.09 18:23:00 - [28] Originally by: Kailea Shandrasekkar Edited by: Kailea Shandrasekkar on 09/11/2006 16:07:27 Originally by: Horza Kendrick Quote: vessels of national navies are explicitly forbidden from docking at other national navies' stations; I believe there's a paragraph explicit forbidding presence of national navies without proper clearance as well. So all those lost ships were docked at a Caldari Navy Station then? Veto were just upholding hte "law"? I must have missed that part of the news broadcast!! Here, i fixed your quoting. Now be a good puppy, and read all the post before hitting the reply button - or i'll assume you just tried to put it out of context to your own poor benefit. My worries were more at the clear show of inaction in front of the apparent pirate attack against a convoy, than anything else. As you mays see in my posts, i have already stated that the acceptance or not of the aid was an internal matter of the Caldari State and the said corporation. You are trying to prove that the 500 men presence (which was the crew) was a threat to the sovereignity of the station? The ships were Federation Navy property and as such is logical to be handled by Federation Navy men/women. Not civilians. I think not, and i know you think the same too. The reason of the continuous denial was the lack of acceptance of the aid by CEP and the corporation specifically. Again my main concern and the reason i said what i said is that the Home guard clearly did nothing to help the destruction of the convoy. And by the way is there any presence of CEP on that planet? I guess not, and i would take it as far that the Kaalakiota Corp has denied access because of the profound dangers. and Originally by: Kailea Shandrasekkar Keep in mind that we don't have a government entity like yours, able to lie and deceive and still keep face. If Kaalakiota is found guilty of crimes by the Caldari Business Tribunal, it'll be dissolved - its properties shared among the other CEP members. I wonder what are you talking about, especially when one sees that while the death toll rises and attrocities are an hourly event on Kassigainen IV. And your CEP stills does not know a thing of what is going on. Not that it will ever do. Or should we mention the incident of the experimental Jump Drive? Or should we talk about this incident? . I have never met a goverment that does not lie on way or the other. Either you believe blindly at a goverment and you have acknowledge the problems this might brings, or you are daydreaming. ------- Nobody can be exactly like me. Even I have trouble doing it.
Kailea Shandrasekkar Caldari Tsurokigaarai Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.11.09 19:30:00 - [29] Seems your GalNet client needs some fixing, particularly on the QUOTE function. Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra My worries were more at the clear show of inaction in front of the apparent pirate attack against a convoy, than anything else. Home Guard is the police/security arm of Kaalakiota, meant to guard their property. To my knowledge, only CONCORD must answer to criminal (i.e., non CONCORD-sanctioned) fire; the Caldari Navy will defend the Caldari state as a whole. If you attack any Kaalakiota property, THEN you'll see the wrong side of their guns. Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra You are trying to prove that the 500 men presence (which was the crew) was a threat to the sovereignity of the station? The ships were Federation Navy property and as such is logical to be handled by Federation Navy men/women. Not civilians. 500? You may take 499 out of this number, and we would still understand the sole man's presence as a threat to sovereignty. If the President wanted to make a pacific, friendly gesture, why didn't he send his own diplomatic crew instead of Federation Navy battleships? Do the Federation lack diplomatic skills, or even the common sense, to acknowledge that you shouldn't bring weapons if you're in a volatile environment? Preposterous. Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra And by the way is there any presence of CEP on that planet? I guess not, and i would take it as far that the Kaalakiota Corp has denied access because of the profound dangers. You, sir, are in no position to suppose that - or should i believe that you have in loco information sources? I doubt so. Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra I have never met a goverment that does not lie on way or the other. Either you believe blindly at a goverment and you have acknowledge the problems this might brings, or you are daydreaming. I agree completely. the difference is, the Caldari have a very efficient way to purge lies - and it's called corporate competition. Why should Ishukone, for example, protect Kaalakiota in this matter? The profits would be huge once Kaala is proven guilty in a Caldari Business Tribunal trial. What kind of self-maintenance system do the Federation have? Voting? grins The price demanded for the most precious of all things in life is life itself: Ultimate cost for perfect value.
Daryl Xero Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.11.09 19:32:00 - [30] This was a riot, plain and simple. The ignorant masses seem to enjoy stories of the "oppressors brutalizing the poor, rightous, noble, good-natured, ordinary folk, just trying to sc****out a living", and the newsfeeds know this and always seem ready to oblige. Let me put this as plainly as I can: These were not innocent victims. Having been to Kassigainen to assess the situation I can say with a high degree of certainty that what we are dealing with here are a few malcontents who have chosen to use violence to express their dissatisfaction with their situation. These people have beaten and killed officers and security personnel of the Kaalakiota corporation, and have destroyed equipment, much their own habitation sector, and the livelyhood of their fellow workers who had nothing to do with the violence. It also interesting to see how many of the more outlandish rumours started off as much more realistic events (just not quite as dramatic and thus not as good for the newsfeeds). Examples include: Homeguard bringing lethal force to bear right from the start and using it indiscriminately: Not true. They started with stun blasters and tear gas until the rioters started using more and more deadly force. * Homeguard has been throwing any suspected troublemakers out of the station to freeze to death: Not true. If you are at all familiar with the airlock design of type-4 subterranean stations you would know it's not as simple as opening a door and throwing someone through. Clearance has to be given, scans need to be made before the computer will release the locks and pressure differences have to be dealt with. They're rarely used and it's a major issue when one is. Even the most blackhearted wouldn't bother in the middle of a riot. * Workers being hunted down and killed in front of their families: 1 colonist threw a firebomb into an office killing 3 people. Homeguard responded and gave chase. They chased him all the way to his habitation module were he had an illegal firearm hidden. When they burst inside they were greeted with railgun fire. They fired back, killing him, and alas, his wife and child were there at the time. The colonists now beleive this is routinely happening all throughout the habitation sector, though accounts always seem to be lacking in specifics (who, where, why?). * And the colony worker, who was allegedly killed by a knife to the throat which was supposed to have started the whole thing? He actually died just as the violence began, he was with the first (relatively small) mob to attack the Homeguard security forces. The guards defended themselves and in the process several colonists were injured, he was killed. Unfortunately the remaining rioters decided to use his death as a symbol for their cause (whatever that is) and have inspired a number of gullible fools to join them in his name. This got turned into every sort of rumor you can imagine and 1 of them leaked out to the press. Likely more will follow. I was unable to determine the cause of this insanity as any station administrator who might have had knowledge of the worker situation was either dead or missing at the time. But if anyone still has any delusions that these are "poor underdogs, being oppressed by the big bully" just have a look at some the the footage captured from my shoulder cam: Sensor Log 0001 The mob approaches... Sensor Log 0002 Industrial machinery being destroyed... Sensor Log 0003 Habitation sector in flames... Sensor Log 0004 Homeguard in riot gear move in... Sensor Log 0005 Homeguard apprehend suspects subdued by tear gas... What doesn't kill you defines you.

Selim Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.11.09 19:41:00 - [31] * Selim chuckles
Irias Salo Caldari The Star Wolves	Posted - 2006.11.09 20:35:00 - [32] Originally by: Daryl Xero Report An interesting report, especially as I have it on good faith that since this 'riot' began, only Home Guard personel have set foot on the station.
Daryl Xero Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.11.09 21:07:00 - [33] To the best of my knowledge, with the exception of myself, that is true. My orders and clearance came from the Navy intel division, beyond that I'm not authorized to say. I can only assume that I was cleared to release these details to stem the tide of rampant rumourmongering that has been plaguing the comm channels since the news broke. What doesn't kill you defines you.
Irias Salo Caldari The Star Wolves	Posted - 2006.11.09 21:26:00 - [34] Originally by: Daryl Xero To the best of my knowledge, with the exception of myself, that is true. My orders and clearance came from the Navy intel division, beyond that I'm not authorized to say. I can only assume that I was cleared to release these details to stem the tide of rampant rumourmongering that has been plaguing the comm channels since the news broke. I think for now it'd be best to wait for more official releases. Especially as there is no way to confirm that you were ordered as if what you say if true, then your visit was not registered.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.11.09 22:43:00 - [35] Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra Looks like you are proving my points. Sorry to see that. As for the help that was send, since you did not need it it doesn't mean that the Home Guard should stand and watch the convoy being hit by pirates. In case you don't know, that is called diplomatic relations. And by the lack of action the Home Guard showed the diplomatic relations that is wanted between the Federation and the State. My goverment is well informed that the Caldari State is a different nation, independent and all that. The problem is that you are still enslaved in the visions of hatred and war. Too bad to see this proved. And let me ask you who said that it wasn't needed. The CEP? I have a very good hunch that they don't know what is going on on that planet too. I bet that if the convoy was Amarrian it would be welcomed no second thoughts. As for Reschard i suggest first read what have happened to the planet and then start spitting words around for the lack of help. You can follow this to see what was going on. As you will notice aid was there from day 1 despite your propaganda. As for the invasion force comment, i find it laughable. I wonder what kind of people someone would expect onboard of Federation Navy ships, miners? Please spare us the drama. You denied the help and that is ok, your choice after all. But the inaction of your forces while in front of them attrocities were commited, was way more worse and stunting. It was a straightforward expression of hostility if you ask me. Oh where to begin with you... First things first, the Home Guard is under no obligation to defend another empire's military vessels whose mere presence violates part of the Yulai convention against any party, even pirates such as Veto. The lack of Home Guard response should've been expected. The Federation was quite boldly refusing to obey the command of a government whose space they were violating, and had the Federation attempted to ignore the Home guard and bypass them, I have little doubt that the Home Guard would not have destroyed them, as such actions from the Federation would've been viewed as hostile. If your government is so well informed, then it seems they need to review procedures for entering another Empire's space. You say it is because of visions of hatred and war, when it is infact due to the Federation simply refusing to honor the request of the State. Had the convoy simply turned around, they may have avoided the fate they suffered. And who said it wasn't needed? The State did. It doesn't matter what you or the Federation 'think was needed', unless perhaps, the Federation knows something about the incident that the State doesn't? It's still interesting just how fast they responded. The question of Amarrians is moot, as they would not have come, and did not come. IF they did, and they were told their assistance is not needed, they would not be allowed to land there, just as the Federation wasn't. I suggest you re-read what you mentioned about Reshard, or are you telling me the Sisters of EVE are a part of the Federation? There was no Federation aid sent there, it was all organized by the Sisters, and other organizations. You're repeating something that has been defeated with those Marines. Standard marine Crew are not found as specific cargo, nor are they kept in the cargo hold. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Gorion Wassenar Caldari Tsurokigaarai Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.11.09 23:03:00 - [36] Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra As for Reschard I suggest first read what have happened to the planet and then start spitting words around for the lack of help. You can follow this to see what was going on. As you will notice aid was there from day 1 despite your propaganda. Ahem. Originally by: Reporter Mahk Roredin ...a convoy of rescue ships finally landed on the surface of the planet Reschard V, seven months after the planet was reduced to an uninhabitable wreck by an as yet unexplained disaster. ------------------ CEO of TKI
Elrianmk2 Gallente Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.11.09 23:11:00 - [37] I am intregued to know how you know the exact somposition of a federation ship's compliment and further more expect that a federation ship that would be used in a potentially dangerous environment should not require any protection for ts crew and specialists? A Federation vessal can and should be allowed to have an escort, it should prevent the very thing which your State vessals allowed to occur. An analyis of the logs has shown that the Federation fleet commander was engaged in a dialogue with his conterpart when the ships came under fire. Diplomacy was in the process of being carried out between our nations when pirates attacked these brave mens vessals. At the worst the State fleet comander should have requested backup frm his superiours and then escorted the Federation ships from State space. People are dying on that mining colony and now ourtesy of the States fantastic show of humanitairian goodwill, hundreds of Federatio citizns were murdered. Looking at the situation i can only assume the State is an eager pupil of the Amarr, roll on the truth. May the honourable dead know peace. ----- If it wasnt for bad luck i would have no luck at all The only certainties are death and taxes. Edit: and the nerfing of my pic :/
Redpants Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2006.11.09 23:36:00 - [38] This whole situation reeks of the incompetence of Foiritan. I know some about what the Federation's mindset in action about this is from what has crept through the halls of the Academy and from what little our instructors have disclosed, none of which I'm at liberty to pass on to just anyone. However from what has come to my ears there is only one conclusion to me, that the Federation by the guiding hand of Foiritan, has no business in Caldari space. How this situation affects the Federation and why we took it up as our own issue to deal with doesn't jive with what the "word on the street" is. There is an aspect of this that is not being disclosed to the rest of us. This was more than just a humanitarian effort. But let us make no mistake that it was certainly not a Trojan Horse invasion either. I believe that as was mentioned before that Foiritan purposely sent those Navy troops there knowing full well what the end result may be, or at least what it may spark off. That makes Foiritan a murderer and he should be removed immedietly from office. On a side note of amusement, someone in our mess hall told me in a similar argument yesterday that Fioritan didn't order those troops to be there but somebody else "slipped" them in for reasons unknown. I find that hard to believe. That's conspiracy talk and the reprocussions of such an unauthorized order would be rippling hard through the Federation Navy and further into the Administration. So unless The Scope is in on it too then we'd have heard some report by now. Let's get back to reality. Regardless, the whole thing was pointless, needless and a waste of good Federalist lives. If the incident is to be taken at face value then it proves what unforgiving monsters the Caldari really are and well deserving of everything they ever got from the Gallente. Now I remember why I smile everytime I pass through Luminaire. ________________________________________________________________________________ "My once immaculate white pants are now stained from the weak and innocent. I don't wear red."
Kailea Shandrasekkar Caldari Tsurokigaarai Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.11.09 23:38:00 - [39] Originally by: Elrianmk2 (...)and further more expect that a federation ship [...] should not require any protection for ts crew and specialists? (...) A Federation vessal can and should be allowed to have an escort, it should prevent the very thing which your State vessals allowed to occur. (...) Looking at the situation i can only assume the State is an eager pupil of the Amarr, roll on the truth. (...) May the honourable dead know peace. Your spellcheck subroutines seems faulty. Anyway, i'll try to put it simple: They shouldn't be there. They were warned that they had no clearance to enter Caldari space. Several times. Civillian ships, Ok. Diplomatic ships, Ok. Battleships, no ******* way. A Federation vessel may use all Federation forces as escort, i couldn't care less. But only inside their sovereign space. Inside Caldari space, Caldari rules. Even if the reason was flawed, i acknowledge the Federation forces lost at this unfortunate situation as honorable under Caldari eyes; they died obeying their orders and serving their government. The price demanded for the most precious of all things in life is life itself: Ultimate cost for perfect value.
Mithrantir Ob'lontra Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2006.11.11 00:54:00 - [40] Originally by: Gorion Wassenar Ahem. Originally by: Reporter Mahk Roredin ...a convoy of rescue ships finally landed on the surface of the planet Reschard V, seven months after the planet was reduced to an uninhabitable wreck by an as yet unexplained disaster. Maybe if you could read and comprehend you would realise that the planet surface was unreachable for that long period of time due to the mass efect of the Doomsday weapon. Have you anything else to say? I don't think so. as for Kailea Shandrasekkar as i see you are trying to prove that while even a man from Gallente Federation is a threat of your sovereignity, you try to prove that a small organization that is there for the organizational duties and day to day activities of the President should own the manpower and the vessels to bring the aid. As if they would be accepted. Yeah right. They would meet the same fate and even quicker, while the Home Guard would stand still and watched the show laughing. I wonder who are you trying to fool. Maybe yourself? and you are right the reason was flawed. President tried to help people who don't want to be helped. For me he did the right thing, for you he tried to threat the sovereignity of Caldari space, and the convoy should be attacked and left unhelped. And unless i understand different Kaalakiota is a part of the CEP right? A part of the ruling body that is. So a part of the goverment. So unless i am mistaken these vessels also represented the Caldari State there. So there goes the point of protecting only the property of the corporation Originally by: Malthros Zenobia First things first, the Home Guard is under no obligation to defend another empire's military vessels whose mere presence violates part of the Yulai convention against any party, even pirates such as Veto. The lack of Home Guard response should've been expected. The Federation was quite boldly refusing to obey the command of a government whose space they were violating, and had the Federation attempted to ignore the Home guard and bypass them, I have little doubt that the Home Guard would not have destroyed them, as such actions from the Federation would've been viewed as hostile. I would like to see where the convoy did anything that suggested an attempt to bypass the Home Guard. I bet that you won't find any, so there goes your argument. As also you can see the incident was on the Border line. You are talking lies and trying to be a demagogue rather than a sane person in this mess. Originally by: Malthros Zenobia I suggest you re-read what you mentioned about Reshard, or are you telling me the Sisters of EVE are a part of the Federation? There was no Federation aid sent there, it was all organized by the Sisters, and other organizations. You're repeating something that has been defeated with those Marines. Standard marine Crew are not found as specific cargo, nor are they kept in the cargo hold. First of all when one is scanning a ship it scans the ship not only the cargo hold. So wake up and smell the coffee. Someone must stir, do the daily jobs and all that on a ship. The Sisters of EVE are not part of any empire, but the unnamed organizations doesn't meant that they aren't. Not to mention that on such crisis situations the first to land on the place of catastrophe are usually volunteers and not the official aid, which usually is supplies and medicines etc, that are being handled to the needed by the volunteers. I bet that the CEP knows still nothing to be honest and i have a feeling that the Federation Navy station officers that are located right next door to the system, know more. But the real problem that makes me publish my thoughts here is not the loss of the convoy or the denial of help by the Caldari State. If you think that you are wrong. My worry is that you still are glued to a past long gone. And by doing that you are playing with the fire not knowing that it will burn us all. There will be no winners in that conflict ------- Nobody can be exactly like me. Even I have trouble doing it.

Beletre Gallente	Posted - 2006.11.20 15:32:00 - [41] ...so.... these people all dead yet? Or have people just stopped caring?
Yarod Cool Team JAVELIN The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2006.11.20 18:50:00 - [42] Originally by: Beletre ...so.... these people all dead yet? Or have people just stopped caring? I can't get anything down to the station. I can't get messages through. I don't think Kaalakiota or Home Guard are going to let that change any time soon. I haven't stopped caring, but I can't do anything about it. I think the same goes for most other pilots.
Se'la Rox Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.22 22:07:00 - [43] Originally by: Beletre ...so.... these people all dead yet? Or have people just stopped caring? You have your answer. The situation is dealt with.
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2006.11.22 22:58:00 - [44] Originally by: Se'la Rox Originally by: Beletre ...so.... these people all dead yet? Or have people just stopped caring? You have your answer. The situation is dealt with. The situation is far from being dealt with. Guristas Envoy to the South Spreading wabbity love in Curse
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.11.23 01:22:00 - [45] Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda Originally by: Se'la Rox Originally by: Beletre ...so.... these people all dead yet? Or have people just stopped caring? You have your answer. The situation is dealt with. The situation is far from being dealt with. Agreed. The riot has been stopped, but now there is the matter of repairing damage and getting the place back up and running. As reports suggested, it will likely be several weeks until the area is back to normal. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2006.11.23 01:31:00 - [46] Hmm - selective reading, Zenobia-haan? Are you sure that you read the news article and not just the KK press release? Guristas Envoy to the South Spreading wabbity love in Curse
Mithrantir Ob'lontra Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2006.11.23 01:56:00 - [47] I only hope that safer haven does not mean in reality another plane of existence. Other than that, the reason of the riot must be addressed or this will only be the beginning i fear. ------- Nobody can be exactly like me. Even I have trouble doing it.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.11.23 02:51:00 - [48] Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda Hmm - selective reading, Zenobia-haan? Are you sure that you read the news article and not just the KK press release? I read it all. However if you expect me to take the rantings of Blaque seriously, or care for his opinions at all, you'd be a fool. However it's interesting that he seemed to know so much, and when he realized he said too much, he shut up. Now I wonder how he could know so much about the situation... Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2006.11.23 02:54:00 - [49] Blaque's comments were not on my mind. Guristas Envoy to the South Spreading wabbity love in Curse


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