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HomeGrownBudZ
modro
ROMANIAN-LEGION
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Posted - 2011.12.05 07:22:00 -
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So in the patchnotes it reads: "Launching a warp disrupt probe will give you aggression and prevent you from docking or jumping."
To be honest i don't really see how this is fair. I wasn't aware that there was any qualms with the previous bubble mechanics. If my bubble sits harmlessly without affecting anyone's path or therein inhibiting their warp, why should i take an aggression penalty for this? I did try to harm or affect another a player, but failed, i see it no different if they warp off and i miss the point.
It's already hard enough to get enough dictors in fleet as they are fragile, always primary, and the best one being terribly inflated(Sabre~ 44M, all other 26-32). Leaving tail bubbles, or bubbling and crossjumping have long been accepted and widely used tactics, why the nerf? I'm not trying to whine so much as just asking... what was it that brought this about in the first place
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whaynethepain
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Posted - 2011.12.05 09:47:00 -
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Aha, I have been searching for three days for an easy troll.
I disagree with your sentiments entirely, and fully support Eve-Online development.
I cannot answer your question directly as it is as dumb as you, and I am a better sabre pilot than you, even though you have thrice the kills of my char.
If you fit your sabre correctly, this would not be an issue, and should be covered by ally SRP.
Knowing you are part of a good, competent alliance prompts me furthermore to suggest you are a sore looser, and poor team player.
I strongly suggest you quit your whimpering, tuck your tail between your legs and go fit your sabre correctly.
I guess I know where to go to get me some easy KM's.
Getting you on your feet.
So you've further to fall. |
orion scimatarii
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.05 10:29:00 -
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Maybe OP could quit his bitching.
research proper fit.
AND THEN learn to use this mechanic to his advantage
if you cant use this mechanic to your advantage stop playing EVE and then you can truly stop your bitching |
HomeGrownBudZ
modro
ROMANIAN-LEGION
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Posted - 2011.12.05 10:42:00 -
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Maybe you guys could check my #1 ship and that i've gotten hundreds of kills in a sabre, as well as bubbles some SC's and whatnot(ya i know, pretty awesome right!?). I still didn't get an answer as to why this was implemented in the first place?
P.S. I'm pretty sure both of you are worthless dictor pilots, if you've ever even sat in one. Back under the bridge with you. |
EVIL SYNNs
Second Places
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Posted - 2011.12.05 10:56:00 -
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People in NPC low sec...
People fight on station, person undocks in light dic, drop bubble, docks. No risk at all.
I hate station games at the best of times, but this was getting used more and more, with people just fitting webs and no tackle, as they knew their alt/pal was 100% safe.
If you "help" in a fight you should never be 100% safe. Next I hope they change the remote rep "aggression". |
whaynethepain
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Posted - 2011.12.05 11:17:00 -
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HomeGrownBudZ wrote:Eh what ya saying troll?
I believe the change was made to stop me aggressively warp disrupt bubbling a gate or station, then session changing, without agro.
You suggested you fail at bubbling, I just agreed, and added you have thrice the kills I do.
All I can think, is that you have some really good FC's.
To be fair the other char is a cap pilot, so training for a dic may not be on the to do list.
Getting you on your feet.
So you've further to fall. |
Bad Messenger
draketrain
33
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Posted - 2011.12.05 11:49:00 -
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EVIL SYNNs wrote:People in NPC low sec...
People fight on station, person undocks in light dic, drop bubble, docks. No risk at all.
I hate station games at the best of times, but this was getting used more and more, with people just fitting webs and no tackle, as they knew their alt/pal was 100% safe.
If you "help" in a fight you should never be 100% safe. Next I hope they change the remote rep "aggression".
Giving aggression from remote repping would destroy so many valid tactic that i doubt it will never come. example remote rep bs gangs would be totally useless as those are mostly even now, after agro from remote repping they would have no way to escape on any situation anymore, now they can at least deagro, tank and jump or dock.
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Kurogauna
Silent Agony
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Posted - 2011.12.05 13:12:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:EVIL SYNNs wrote:People in NPC low sec...
People fight on station, person undocks in light dic, drop bubble, docks. No risk at all.
I hate station games at the best of times, but this was getting used more and more, with people just fitting webs and no tackle, as they knew their alt/pal was 100% safe.
If you "help" in a fight you should never be 100% safe. Next I hope they change the remote rep "aggression". Giving aggression from remote repping would destroy so many valid tactic that i doubt it will never come. example remote rep bs gangs would be totally useless as those are mostly even now, after agro from remote repping they would have no way to escape on any situation anymore, now they can at least deagro, tank and jump or dock.
Youre a troll, you wear a monocle. |
Lady Spank
GET OUT NASTY FACE
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Posted - 2011.12.05 13:23:00 -
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ITT: Not being able to bubble 2 sides of a gate at the same time with a single ship is unfair.
(a¦á_a¦â) ~ Get Out, Nasty Face ~ (a¦á_a¦â)
Signature edited. Navigator. |
whaynethepain
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Posted - 2011.12.05 15:20:00 -
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HomeGrownBudZ wrote:Maybe you guys could check my #1 ship and that i've gotten hundreds of kills in a sabre, as well as bubbles some SC's and whatnot(ya i know, pretty awesome right!?). I still didn't get an answer as to why this was implemented in the first place?
P.S. I'm pretty sure both of you are worthless dictor pilots, if you've ever even sat in one. Back under the bridge with you.
No the OP isn't crazy, after he wrote his post I flamed him for being a Tard, fitting his ship like a Plonker, disrespecting CCP and whining like a poo bear.
The post was removed and the others re-numbered.
I vote Lady spank for forum admin.
Original post:
Aha, I have been searching for three days for an easy troll.
I disagree with your sentiments entirely, and fully support Eve-Online development.
I cannot answer your question directly as it is as dumb as you look, and I am a better sabre pilot than you, even though you have thrice the kills of my char.
If you fit your sabre correctly, this would not be an issue, and should be covered by ally SRP.
Knowing you are part of a good, competent alliance prompts me furthermore to suggest you are a sore looser, and poor team player.
I strongly suggest you quit your whimpering, tuck your (dogy) tail between your legs and go fit your sabre correctly.
I guess I know where to go to get me some easy KM's.
Getting you on your feet.
So you've further to fall. |
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Lucas Schuyler
Mortis Noir.
Unforgiving.
7
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Posted - 2011.12.05 15:28:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:ITT: Not being able to bubble 2 sides of a gate at the same time with a single ship is unfair.
Lady Spank hit it on the nose. Gatefire, drop a bubble, jump to other side, bubble there as well in case the ship is able to burn back to gate. Just get a second Dictor pilot. |
Nicklaus Klaus'nik
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.12.05 18:33:00 -
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EVIL SYNNs wrote:People in NPC low sec...
People fight on station, person undocks in light dic, drop bubble, docks. No risk at all.
I hate station games at the best of times, but this was getting used more and more, with people just fitting webs and no tackle, as they knew their alt/pal was 100% safe.
If you "help" in a fight you should never be 100% safe. Next I hope they change the remote rep "aggression".
...there are no bbls in lowsec. i hate dictors. |
HomeGrownBudZ
modro
ROMANIAN-LEGION
0
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Posted - 2011.12.05 20:33:00 -
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Question still not answered. All i hear is a bunch of arm-chair PvP'ers.
yoo doods evar even seent a diktor bubble?..... didn't know incursions had those.....
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
Petition Blizzard
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Posted - 2011.12.05 22:03:00 -
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Warp bubbles are aggression. That's your answer.
I don't know the answer to this, so I ask it here for someone who does: does launching a bomb prevent you from jumping through a gate? Bombs aren't targeted, they can explode and do no damage, yet they're clearly aggressive and I'm *guessing* that they have prevented jumping for a very long time. That would nicely negate every argument you've made :) |
whaynethepain
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Posted - 2011.12.05 23:02:00 -
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HomeGrownBudZ wrote:Question still not answered. All i hear is a bunch of arm-chair PvP'ers.
yoo doods evar even seent a diktor bubble?..... didn't know incursions had those.....
Well I assume you know the most about these incursions, you do have the highest sec-status of the thread.
But looking at a damage ratio on Battle-Clinic of above 7.7 M over more than 1200 kills, your obviously in the action, with your Sabre and bubbles.
I don't think I have the experience to answer well.
But as an intrepid Sabre pilot, I believe this will improve my game, and is in-keeping with current mechanics.
There is the one min session agro timer on launch of the bubble, though my bubbles last 2 mins.
Anyone warping at or from the bubble will start the 15 min agro log-off timer I figure, Im not a fan of this tactic, can't say.
As for bubbled warp interdiction within the two mins bubble timer, and restarting the agro session timer, dunno that either, it should do I imagine.
Getting you on your feet.
So you've further to fall. |
Mfume Apocal
Origin.
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.12.06 09:15:00 -
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yeah that change was pretty ******* ********, it's hard enough to force fights in eve that most gang fights are semi-consensual. and now they've made it even harder. |
Sutskop
PILSGESCHWADER
Monkey Circus
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Posted - 2011.12.06 10:03:00 -
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whaynethepain wrote:HomeGrownBudZ wrote:Question still not answered. All i hear is a bunch of arm-chair PvP'ers.
yoo doods evar even seent a diktor bubble?..... didn't know incursions had those.....
Well I assume you know the most about these incursions, you do have the highest sec-status of the thread.
What does sec status have to do with anything when living in nulsec you can only GAIN it, not lose.
I would like a qualified answer to the original question too. Does popping the bubble give you the 15 minute logoff timer? |
Score
Industrial Forge Works Inc
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Posted - 2011.12.06 19:32:00 -
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Quote:
I would like a qualified answer to the original question too. Does popping the bubble give you the 15 minute logoff timer?
Of course it does.
As you're conscious slips away and your fingers fall from the keyboard, the stock CCP-EMERGENCY WARP software activates in a desperate attempt to save your precious 'dictor.
... since you were too scared to stick around...
... chicken ...
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HomeGrownBudZ
modro
ROMANIAN-LEGION
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Posted - 2011.12.06 20:14:00 -
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Score wrote:Quote:
I would like a qualified answer to the original question too. Does popping the bubble give you the 15 minute logoff timer?
Of course it does. As you're conscious slips away and your fingers fall from the keyboard, the stock CCP-EMERGENCY WARP software activates in a desperate attempt to save your precious 'dictor. ... since you were too scared to stick around... ... chicken ...
Dictor pilots undock knowing we are dead already, not the point of committing to the fight. It's the point of being un-neccasarily punished for not aggressing anything. I want to catch your fleet on the outgate, not run from it. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
Petition Blizzard
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Posted - 2011.12.06 20:23:00 -
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HomeGrownBudZ wrote:Dictor pilots undock knowing we are dead already, not the point of committing to the fight. It's the point of being un-neccasarily punished for not aggressing anything. I want to catch your fleet on the outgate, not run from it.
Maybe caps will help:
NOT AGGRESSING
I WANT TO CATCH YOUR FLEET
utrollin? |
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Score
Industrial Forge Works Inc
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Posted - 2011.12.06 21:48:00 -
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HomeGrownBudZ wrote:Score wrote:Quote:
I would like a qualified answer to the original question too. Does popping the bubble give you the 15 minute logoff timer?
Of course it does. As you're conscious slips away and your fingers fall from the keyboard, the stock CCP-EMERGENCY WARP software activates in a desperate attempt to save your precious 'dictor. ... since you were too scared to stick around... ... chicken ... Dictor pilots undock knowing we are dead already, not the point of committing to the fight. It's the point of being un-neccasarily punished for not aggressing anything. I want to catch your fleet on the outgate, not run from it.
Knowing your dead already but complaining about it? Hrmm....
I applaud the pilot who flies a ship like it's meant to be flown, has a plan, and will pop a bubble and then run that thing back to the POS/Safespot. But then, when you're in the WHole as much as I am, you don't fly without full Intel of your system & every system around you. <3 cloaky friends!!
CapHelp: (thanks troll)
PLANNING (duh)
POS
SAFESPOT
WHOLE
INTEL
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Ulstan
State Protectorate
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.07 22:00:00 -
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HomeGrownBudZ wrote: Leaving tail bubbles, or bubbling and crossjumping have long been accepted and widely used tactics, why the nerf?
Welcome to EVE. Widely used time honored tactics are changed all the time.
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whaynethepain
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Posted - 2011.12.08 18:40:00 -
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Lol.
Right, it's back to Jita undock for me then, with my RR alt.
Consensual fighting is too dangerous.
Sutscop wrote;
"What does sec status have to do with anything when living in nulsec you can only GAIN it, not lose."
Your getting the idea, can you explain the concept of (Dumb Ass)?
Getting you on your feet.
So you've further to fall. |
Derkata
2
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Posted - 2011.12.08 22:00:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:EVIL SYNNs wrote:People in NPC low sec...
People fight on station, person undocks in light dic, drop bubble, docks. No risk at all.
I hate station games at the best of times, but this was getting used more and more, with people just fitting webs and no tackle, as they knew their alt/pal was 100% safe.
If you "help" in a fight you should never be 100% safe. Next I hope they change the remote rep "aggression". Giving aggression from remote repping would destroy so many valid tactic that i doubt it will never come. example remote rep bs gangs would be totally useless as those are mostly even now, after agro from remote repping they would have no way to escape on any situation anymore, now they can at least deagro, tank and jump or dock.
This makes close to no sense. If you're in a spider bs fleet, your fleet mates better be shooting and not just repping.
Basically, repping should commit you to the fight... not just help your ally with no fear of loss. |
ElCholo
BURN EDEN
Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.12.09 04:25:00 -
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Personally, I don't mind the change. Should you be able to effect another play in combat when you aren't in the same system? I don't believe you should. Drop a bubble, be stuck in the system you dropped the bubble. Take responsibility for your actions. It IS an agressive action after all. Regardless of if it catches someone or not, the intent is there for it to catch someone. If I fire missiles at someone and they warp before the missiles hit, the agressive intent was there and I did try to violence their pixel ship. So take the agression, work around it, and quit coming to the forums to QQ because you have to change your tactics.
And yes, I pvp in game. |
Griznatch
Xicron Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.12.09 06:07:00 -
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Disclaimer: i dont fly dictors
In what situation would you launch a bubble and not have the express intent of catching someone in it? When would launching a bubble not be considered an agressive act? Its a weapon of sorts, simply activating it implies you mean to do someone some form of harm. |
Score
Industrial Forge Works Inc
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Posted - 2011.12.09 14:35:00 -
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Griznatch wrote:Disclaimer: i dont fly dictors
In what situation would you launch a bubble and not have the express intent of catching someone in it? When would launching a bubble not be considered an agressive act? Its a weapon of sorts, simply activating it implies you mean to do someone some form of harm.
I put r4p3 cages around POS's as decoration...
I *never* intend to hurt *anyone*
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