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Jenny Spitfire Caldari Boryokudan Incorporated	Posted - 2006.11.07 21:32:00 - [1] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 07/11/2006 21:33:08 <Send public transmission> Mr. Federation. Please remove your so-called humanitarian aid. Your aid is a pretence and is not wanted nor needed. Your so-called aid could be some infiltration or a riot catalyst in hoping to bring down our beloved State. Brothers. Sisters. Caldari comrades. Stand up, reject and do not accept venomous gifts from the Federation. They are of ill-intention. No aid without requisition! Remove your imbecile convoys from our space now. Citizen Spitfire. Caldari Martyr. <End public transmission> --------- Faction Warfare Begins Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
Doomsday Machine Caldari Jovian Labs Chimaera Pact	Posted - 2006.11.07 21:35:00 - [2] Correct me if Im wrong, but I believe Veto. has already removed their convoy from Caldari space.
Verone Veto.	Posted - 2006.11.07 21:40:00 - [3] Originally by: Doomsday Machine Correct me if Im wrong, but I believe Veto. has already removed their convoy from Caldari space. It would appear so. WWW.VETO-CORP.COM
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Boryokudan Incorporated	Posted - 2006.11.07 21:45:00 - [4] Interesting. Anyway, Citizen Spitfire pledges 958 Antibiotics as humanitarian aid for the State. Drop-off will be at Kassigainen. Contact for detail. --------- Faction Warfare Begins Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
Redpants Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2006.11.07 22:20:00 - [5] I have a suggestion Caldari, next time your in space, fly towards a sun. Once your nav system stops your ship, go back into your cargohold. Take a deep breath and jettison yourself. ________________________________________________________________________________ "My once immaculate white pants are now stained from the weak and innocent. I don't wear red."
Gorion Wassenar Caldari Tsurokigaarai Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.11.07 22:26:00 - [6] I would very much like to know why Marines were in an "Aid Convoy". ------------------ CEO of TKI
Eden Ramani INTAKI UNION	Posted - 2006.11.07 22:35:00 - [7] well done ending Federation assets Down with the Federation! _________________________________________ Freedom Fighter Media Presents:Intaki History
Yarod Cool Team JAVELIN The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2006.11.07 22:38:00 - [8] Originally by: Gorion Wassenar I would very much like to know why Marines were in an "Aid Convoy". Because the Navy sent the convoy, and Marines would be on all large Navy ships?
Mookuh Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.11.07 22:46:00 - [9] You should be aware that military presence from the Federation is not tolerated by the State. The Chief Executive Panel stated that they didn't want this to happen, but your government didn't seem to care. It is your mentality of 'being the good guys' and 'never doing things wrong' that lead to this. You should start to see where your place is, and it is NOT on Caldari territory. ------------------------------------------------ Terry 'Mookuh' Hijakosji CAIN Public Relations
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.11.07 23:03:00 - [10] Originally by: Yarod Cool Originally by: Gorion Wassenar I would very much like to know why Marines were in an "Aid Convoy". Because the Navy sent the convoy, and Marines would be on all large Navy ships? So your 'aid' had assault troops on it? Planning to 'calm' the situation in the traditional way? I bet those Megathrons make for excellent orbital bombardment platforms. Aid indeed. The next time the Federation plans on sending unauthorized military force into another Empire's domain, they'd be wise to remember what happens to unwelcomed 'help'. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Se'la Rox Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.07 23:26:00 - [11] Why am I not surprised? It seems more than a little, shall we say convenient that this happens at this time, and in this place. 1) Foiritan scrapes a win in the dying hours in the election, he now leads a nation split with political divisions even greater than before, especially due to the use of immigrant vote to seize power. 2) Days later, Kassigainen erupts. Kassigainen, which just happens to be the last Caldari system before the Gallente border. 3) This immediately helps foster distrust within the Caldari State. 4) Foiritan sends in "aid", in order to increase his standing with his divided people, Gallente sympathisers with the State, and the world at large. 5) This "aid" now turns out to be assault troops? In short: I accuse Foiritan, and the Gallente Federation of attempting not only to incite violence against the people of the Caldari State - and thereby our State itself - but also attempting to use this as cover for an insurgency into the State, no doubt in the guise of "peacekeeping". I urge all citizens of the Caldari State, along with her allies through the world, to take action - both passive and active - against the Gallente Federation! Remember, resistance stems from resolution! Do not trade with Gallente, do not aid the Gallente in ridding their space of pirates, do not assist their agents anywhere in the world, do not do anything that will help the Gallente to further crush our right as a united, independent people! If the Gallente want to test our resolve, they will find it strong, stronger than they will ever know. All for the good of Many!
Faraelle Brightman Gallente Placid Reborn Placid Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.07 23:42:00 - [12] Originally by: Gorion Wassenar I would very much like to know why Marines were in an "Aid Convoy". Please provide evidence for this claim or retract it. I haven't heard this on any of the newsfeeds or Galnet lines and last I knew, you guys were busy in Mito and not in a position to be there collecting first hand evidence in a far distant system.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Lucky Hydra Corp The Guardian Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.08 00:40:00 - [13] Dear Ms. Spitfire: BURN YOURSELF! Sincerely, Everyone.
Vendrin Caldari APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2006.11.08 01:00:00 - [14] Originally by: Faraelle Brightman Originally by: Gorion Wassenar I would very much like to know why Marines were in an "Aid Convoy". Please provide evidence for this claim or retract it. I haven't heard this on any of the newsfeeds or Galnet lines and last I knew, you guys were busy in Mito and not in a position to be there collecting first hand evidence in a far distant system. The Federations pilots admitted their were marines on the ships, albeit they said it was to deliver the aid. _____________________________________ APEX Unlimited is recruiting. Join channel APEXCOM for information!
Faraelle Brightman Gallente Placid Reborn Placid Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.08 01:08:00 - [15] Edited by: Faraelle Brightman on 08/11/2006 01:09:16 Originally by: Vendrin Originally by: Faraelle Brightman Originally by: Gorion Wassenar I would very much like to know why Marines were in an "Aid Convoy". Please provide evidence for this claim or retract it. I haven't heard this on any of the newsfeeds or Galnet lines and last I knew, you guys were busy in Mito and not in a position to be there collecting first hand evidence in a far distant system. The Federations pilots admitted their were marines on the ships, albeit they said it was to deliver the aid. Do you know who any of the pilots were? This is information I don't have. Also if anyone knows how many marinnes were on board? I can think of enough non-sinister reasons why an aid convoy would be accompanied by soldiers into what must be rather dangerous territory but let's establish beyond doubt that they were actualy there first before worrying about justifications.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.11.08 01:23:00 - [16] As a public service allow me to share the following excerpt: Quote: Captain Liu > Sir im getting some readings from the Freighter Captain Liu > It has marines inside sir Commander Guvera > Of course it does. We need men to deliver the supplies. Captain Liu is a member of the Kaalakiota megacorp's Home Guard police force. Commander Guvera is an officer in the Federal Navy. Also present was a senior Home Guard officer, Commander Kirrash, and one Lieutenant Belisse of the Federal Navy. My own observation would be that the core empires use marines and other troops for many purposes and humanitarian operations are among those. One can never rule out more malign purposes of course, for which witness the behaviour of Home Guard troops on Kassigainen IV. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Recruitment
Leon 026 Caldari Blood Inquisition Sani Khal'Vecna	Posted - 2006.11.08 01:48:00 - [17] Edited by: Leon 026 on 08/11/2006 01:51:02 So let me get this straight... A revolt bordering on rebellion breaks out, a concerned Federation deploys an emergency supply convoy as well as troops to pre-position them if the colony gets out of hand (while waiting for CEP decision and respecting CEP's request to stay out), and some "rabblerabble" "patriotic" pod pilots decide to blow that up in the name of the State... Riiight... As patriots one would think they wouldnt purposefully delay the issue, let alone create even more hassle for the CEP because some rogue pilots decided it'd be a good idea to add an additional crisis. The Federation can keep their 'gifts', and can keep their pre-positioned troops outside planetary space at minimum distance of Kassigainen sovereignty space as agreed per the Yulai Convention. Meanwhile, the State should hurry up and restore order before the uncivilized Amarrians decide to get themselves involved with their own gratuitous 'gifts' of vitoc and reclamation. We dont need the Gallente, and we dont need the Amarrians either. Meanwhile, I have contracted a hauling firm for transportation of 8 tonnes of protein delicacies and other emergency rations to Kassigainen. ------------------------------- [ 2006.06.22 04:28:01 ] Leon 026 > My Crow dances like she's on ecstasy
Hamish Grayson Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.11.08 01:53:00 - [18] Originally by: The Cosmopolite . My own observation would be that the core empires use marines and other troops for many purposes and humanitarian operations are among those. One can never rule out more malign purposes of course, for which witness the behaviour of Home Guard troops on Kassigainen IV. The Cosmopolite President Foiritan had to know that those soldiers would never make it to the factory. He wanted this to happen. The question is why. Any thoughts on that? -H.G "To define the embodiment of honor is to understand the nature of the Caldari"
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.11.08 01:55:00 - [19] Originally by: Leon 026 ... Meanwhile, the State should hurry up and restore order before the uncivilized Amarrians decide to get themselves involved with their own gratuitous 'gifts' of vitoc and reclamation. We dont need the Gallente, and we dont need the Amarrians either. Interestingly the Amarri militants committed to shoring up the failing Kimotoro Directive were close to Kassigainen camping the route from Mito. Almost seemed that they were protecting CAIN/APEX fleet deployed there. Star Fraction is recruiting
Faraelle Brightman Gallente Placid Reborn Placid Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.08 02:02:00 - [20] Originally by: Leon 026 Edited by: Leon 026 on 08/11/2006 01:51:02 So let me get this straight... ...some "rabblerabble" "patriotic" pod pilots decide to blow that up in the name of the State... Wrong. The pirate corp "Veto" has claimed responsability and they do not appear to be associated with any movement except that of acquiring ill-gained profit. The outlaw leader appers to be of Gallentian origin but that has little bearing on the situation.
Faraelle Brightman Gallente Placid Reborn Placid Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.08 02:05:00 - [21] Originally by: Hamish Grayson President Foiritan had to know that those soldiers would never make it to the factory. He wanted this to happen. The question is why. Any thoughts on that? -H.G Offhand speculation? Methinks Foiritan has a reputation to save. This is the quickest he's reacted to any major situation in months.
Selim Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.11.08 03:11:00 - [22] Edited by: Selim on 08/11/2006 03:14:12 I find it funny how people are shocked to hear of soldiers on board a Federation Navy convoy. Marines aren't just for assaults. They're for defense of the ship and as said by my colleague The Cosmopolite, are also used for various purposes outside of combat. The merchant marines, if you will. I wonder why exactly the Caldari are so offended that another nation wishes to bring help to its people, which are being subjugated by an opressive, brutal corporation. I must say I'm apalled at the inhumanity shown by the State and its supporters. Perhaps instead of protecting your corporations for once, you should think about the citizens who suffer under corporate rule. I pledge my moral support to the citizens of the state being victimized in Kassigainen.
Jalia Kovac Placid Reborn Placid Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.08 05:22:00 - [23] Armed soldiers on Federation Navy vessels. Who would have thought it. If a few Veto stragglers could intercept the convoy, it hardly sounds like an invasion force. Can we tone down the conspiracy theory elements please? I would have thought President Foiritan had more pressing priorities closer to home at this time though. Isn't it usually policy to wait for an official response after making a gesture of foreign aid? ► Intaki Canonical Resouces ◄
Lienzo	Posted - 2006.11.08 05:38:00 - [24] The number of casualties in such a small community illustrates that something unspeakable is happening. Those workers should just give up now, and hand themselves over to proper authorities.
Svetlana Scarlet Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.11.08 05:43:00 - [25] While I cannot speak for any of the other parties involved in the incident in Kassigainen, the Reserve's involvement in intercepting this convoy came due to the violation of State sovereignity by Federation naval forces -- this was a clear violation of the Yulai accords, and frankly, it is shocking that CONCORD allowed Federation Navy ships into Caldari space without intervention, as it is exactly these types of incidents they were created to avert. While the loss of life both on the Kassigainen IV colony and of the Federation crews is regrettable, this is a purely internal matter within the Caldari State and it is not the business of any foreign power to involve itself in without the explicit permission of the CEP. We have no doubt that a similar breach of Federation borders by Caldari naval forces would be met with the same defensive reaction. If this convoy was as innocent as the Federation and those who support it in this thread claim, they could have sent it with only civilian personnel and waited for invitation from State and Kaalakiota authorities, as they were instructed by the CEP, and avoided the tragic loss of life that occurred. In the future, we in the Reserve hope that the Federation, and their loyalist corporations, will take heed of the warnings they are given when they insist on thrusting themselves into affairs which are not of their concern. We in the State do not tell the Federation what to do about their problems of rampant unemployment, faltering welfare state, overloaded refugee camps, and corruption-riddled "democracy". In the future, they would do well to follow our example and mind their own problems before trying to "solve" the problems of others. We do not want, nor do we need, your help. We have already had one conflict with millions dead on both sides to make it clear to you that you have no authority over us. There is no need for another unless you refuse to respect the conditions of the treaty which ended that war not so long ago. --
Gorion Wassenar Caldari Tsurokigaarai Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.11.08 06:03:00 - [26] Edited by: Gorion Wassenar on 08/11/2006 06:04:28 Amazing how fast this aid convoy was formed for a small mining colony not even in their own nation yet Reschard V has yet to see any official Federal aid and several days for anything to arrive. In fact TKI was guarding that convoy when it came under fire from IRON though it was all for naught. A bit hypocritical don't you think? ------------------ CEO of TKI
Leon 026 Caldari Blood Inquisition Sani Khal'Vecna	Posted - 2006.11.08 16:36:00 - [27] Originally by: Gorion Wassenar Edited by: Gorion Wassenar on 08/11/2006 06:04:28 Amazing how fast this aid convoy was formed for a small mining colony not even in their own nation yet Reschard V has yet to see any official Federal aid and several days for anything to arrive. In fact TKI was guarding that convoy when it came under fire from IRON though it was all for naught. A bit hypocritical don't you think? I think you forgot that the Federation recently had change in leadership. ------------------------------- [ 2006.06.22 04:28:01 ] Leon 026 > My Crow dances like she's on ecstasy
Magosian	Posted - 2006.11.08 18:48:00 - [28] I've been doing my best to follow the events surrounding Kassigainen V and I cannot help but wonder if some, if not all, of the events were premeditated. You may stamp me as a conspiracy theorist, but consider the following questions: -Why did Commander Dirai Guvera not mention the marine contingency present on the Obelisk, knowing full well any Caldari authority, or any independent faction acting in Caldari interests, has the ability to scan cargo? -Has it occured to anyone that the assembly of the aid convoy AS WELL AS the Veto interception were executed in an incredibly swift manner? -If the Gallente response did intend to use military force, why send 500 troops to quell a population of 1700? -Veto has already claimed responsibility for attacking, and consequently stopping, the aid convoy, at the request of an anonymous client who paid Veto for this "service." Whether the Obelisk was housing marines or not, the convoy was going to be eliminated. Does this anonymous client have an agenda that transcends the Caldari "stay out of my backyard" mentality? Because of these questions, it is my personal belief that the marines were meant to be found, thus the fleet engagement was meant to happen. I think in any other scenario, the aid convoy would have been ordered to turn back by more authoratative bodies, such as the Caldari Navy, and to avoid an all-out war, the aid convoy would have complied. I fully admit I am biased in regards to the Federation. I serve my government to the best of my ability, and feel I am rewarded based on the amount of effort I put into my work. However, in this regard I cannot help but wonder if both sides had a more guiled and sinister role to play here, at least more than what's on the table. Simply put, I have to believe at least some of these events were orchistrated.
Gorion Wassenar Caldari Tsurokigaarai Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.11.08 19:21:00 - [29] Originally by: Leon 026 I think you forgot that the Federation recently had change in leadership. Last I checked Leon the same president is still in charge of the Federation. Honestly the Federation has much more importent and immediate humanitarian crisises in their own back yard, like a whole planet being destroyed, to be sending "relief" convoys to other nations. ------------------ CEO of TKI
Halunoto Vankaalen Caldari The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2006.11.08 19:27:00 - [30] Originally by: Magosian -If the Gallente response did intend to use military force, why send 500 troops to quell a population of 1700? Probably because one man with a gun can control many without. The logic here is perfectly clear cut, one Empire sends a ship into another's space. The ship keeps going, although it is not authorized (keep in mind it's told this before it's arrival) and is subsequently destroyed. If the Federation doesn't like the bloody nose it got, perhaps it will be more careful not to stick it in other's affairs next time eh? ----- Disembarkation Room

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