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Eilie
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.11.08 06:29:00 -
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For a more serious post:
Zekzn, you are probably right that there are no monopolies/cartels. You are also right that the high prices are due to supply and demand. The problem we have is that the supply is being artificially controlled by CCP.
In real life there would be rival corps who create substitute products which lower prices. The new BCs are not a valid substitute for HACs because they are much slower and don't have the uber tanks; all they have is the damage. Invention also won't do much. From the stats we've seen on the test server, you will only be able to attempt to create 1 BPC every 2 weeks... and that is with max skills and 5 agents.
Why are you even defending people who did nothing to gain their BPOs anyway? Or are you fighting to keep the economy strong? If so, you have nothing to worry about. Due to all the loss in EVE, the economy is so strong that T1 stuff is still profitable after over 3 years. Releasing T2 BPOs won't destroy the economy and even the devs have said they consider T2 to be the baseline now...
What kind of player are you anyway? Do you PvP or just run missions? Mission runners have no problem with T2 prices because they never lose them. But do you know how easily these ships are lost in PvP? I don't like to whine about the prices, but as it currently is, the only people who can afford to constantly PvP in HACs are T2 BPO owners and GTC sellers. Those of us who actually work for our money can only afford to buy 1-2 HACs/week...
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zeKzn
Empire of Destiny
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Posted - 2006.11.08 06:35:00 -
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Originally by: Eilie Zekzn, you are probably right that there are no monopolies/cartels. You are also right that the high prices are due to supply and demand. The problem we have is that the supply is being artificially controlled by CCP.
In which case the question should be whether or not they intend it to be high or not, which also renders this kind of thread pointless. But your point is fair.
Quote: In real life there would be rival corps who create substitute products which lower prices. The new BCs are not a valid substitute for HACs because they are much slower and don't have the uber tanks; all they have is the damage. Invention also won't do much. From the stats we've seen on the test server, you will only be able to attempt to create 1 BPC every 2 weeks... and that is with max skills and 5 agents.
We'll see. I dont like basing arguments on speculation from test servers, but I also have nothing better to offer.
Quote: Why are you even defending people who did nothing to gain their BPOs anyway? Or are you fighting to keep the economy strong? If so, you have nothing to worry about. Due to all the loss in EVE, the economy is so strong that T1 stuff is still profitable after over 3 years. Releasing T2 BPOs won't destroy the economy and even the devs have said they consider T2 to be the baseline now...
I'm not saying it will destroy the economy, I'm saying that in all MMOs there always has to be something that rewards time investment, most often by being expensive - otherwise people lose interest, and there's nothing to aim for, and it just becomes another fps.
I'm also just bored, and I have an active interest in economics so its amusing for me to read the silly arguments people spout under the guise of economics, while waiting for skills to train or whatever.
Quote: What kind of player are you anyway? Do you PvP or just run missions? Mission runners have no problem with T2 prices because they never lose them. But do you know how easily these ships are lost in PvP? I don't like to whine about the prices, but as it currently is, the only people who can afford to constantly PvP in HACs are T2 BPO owners and GTC sellers. Those of us who actually work for our money can only afford to buy 1-2 HACs/week...
I haven't had the opportunity to get into pvp much yet, mostly because I dont like doing stuff until I'm absolutely sure I'm ready, but I'm a pvper at heart and always will be. Wtf is the point of running missions to get better ships to run better/faster missions, to get better ships, and so on?
My personal opinion, new as I am, is that most of the most effective t2 gear isn't intended for use by just anyone in pvp - its intended for use by a select few, and then for use in alliance warfare, when its funded by the alliances, not the pilots themselves.
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Lucio
Gallente Incorporated Holdings
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Posted - 2006.11.08 06:47:00 -
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The simple fact is the prices of T2 items STAYED at silly levels because people purchased the cheaper items and sold them on at a higher price. Now it would be an utterly futile excerise to ask for anything other than top dollar for the items you can produce, even if you wanted to sell at a lower margin.
For example, I personally think the items are way overpriced but my other partners in our Ishtar BPO always come back to the point of "someone else will buy them all and resell them at a higher price" arguement whenever I ask them to consider lowering the prices.
Would introducing more BPO's help things? Unlikely, it's a pain organising all the needed materials and I doubt that there's enough moon bases operating to supply many more BPO. Perhaps a better arguement would be to call for T2 copying times to be drastically reduced, then it could become profitable to make BPC, which a lot of people would consider for it's ease. ************************************************
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Victor Valka
Caldari Archon Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.08 06:56:00 -
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Demmit!
'er we go again!
Little known fact:
You can work for it and buy yourself a flippin' T2 BPO.
When you've done that, I want you to NOT, I repeat, NOT try to earn you investment back in less then two years. Sell your T2 gizmo with a 20% mark-up like I nice little boy/girl.
I'll give you a toffee. I promise.
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Eilie
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.11.08 07:04:00 -
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Originally by: zeKzn I'm not saying it will destroy the economy, I'm saying that in all MMOs there always has to be something that rewards time investment, most often by being expensive - otherwise people lose interest, and there's nothing to aim for, and it just becomes another fps.
You can't compare EVE to other MMOs like that. In a PvE game like WoW, the PvP becomes like a FPS because there is no loss. But with how easy stuff is to lose in EVE, losing a HAC would still be a decent setback even if they only cost 100mil. Although I guess you could say that PvP in T1 frigs is like a FPS...
Originally by: zeKzn I haven't had the opportunity to get into pvp much yet, mostly because I dont like doing stuff until I'm absolutely sure I'm ready, but I'm a pvper at heart and always will be. Wtf is the point of running missions to get better ships to run better/faster missions, to get better ships, and so on?
Well you have the right attitude there!
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Ardent Rellik
Gallente MURAKAMI INDUSTRIES
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Posted - 2006.11.08 07:14:00 -
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Ok I will be honest, in front of all of EVE. The I am bloody jealous, really am, jealous with green envy and I am developing an ulcer, when I see that some people make ISK with T2 stuff and I dont have a BPO and am not printing ISK.
Now, if the situation was reversed, and I had a T2 BPO, I wouldnt give a rat'a arse about all the whinage. Untill I get a T2 BPO, I hate all T2 BPO holders, I want them dead, dead! And I want all their T2 BPOs and T2 Stuff!
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slothe
Caldari Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.08 07:20:00 -
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this subject has ben done to death. move on.
i do wish however that you could cash in x amount of rp for t2 bpc. that would help i feel.
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Victor Valka
Caldari Archon Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.08 07:21:00 -
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Originally by: Ardent Rellik Now, if the situation was reversed, and I had a T2 BPO, I wouldn't give a rat's arse about all the whinage. Until I get a T2 BPO, I hate all T2 BPO holders, I want them dead, dead! And I want all their T2 BPOs and T2 Stuff!
Don't worry. I understand your pain.
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Victor Valka
Caldari Archon Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.08 07:23:00 -
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Originally by: slothe this subject has ben done to death. move on.
Oh no!
This thread ain't done until we get to page 15! By that time, we will have gone through the same logic loop a couple'o'dozen time, but who the hell gives a screaming ****, eh?
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slothe
Caldari Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.08 07:23:00 -
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oh also. its not that great havingat2 bpo.
all that happens is that you buy faction stuff, then it gets blown up. it gives you a slightadvantage in pvp thats all.
i have a t2 bpo, am fairly rich, but i dont think eve is beter as i have more isk.
mayhave been more funwhen i had less isk and valued items more. the bestpart in the game is the adrenalin rush as you kill someone or die as youvalue things. with more isk you value items lessanbd game experience diminishes. truly
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Eilie
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.11.08 07:24:00 -
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Originally by: Victor Valka Demmit!
'er we go again!
Little known fact:
You can work for it and buy yourself a flippin' T2 BPO.
When you've done that, I want you to NOT, I repeat, NOT try to earn you investment back in less then two years. Sell your T2 gizmo with a 20% mark-up like I nice little boy/girl.
I'll give you a toffee. I promise.
As I already said, this is CCP's fault, not the BPO owners fault. Anyone with a T2 BPO will sell their product for as much as possible because if they didn't, someone else would just resell it.
Little known facts: Most T2 BPO owners won't sell their BPs. New players who wish to be manufactures have no chance to be able to buy one for years and must just become another combat character or quit.
But I think buying a T2 BPO at this point is just stupid. You will never earn back the investment because CCP will eventually do something to fix their mistake within the next 2 years (after they realize that Invention is useless.)
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Victor Valka
Caldari Archon Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.08 07:41:00 -
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Originally by: Eilie Little known facts: Most T2 BPO owners won't sell their BPs.
Oh. Sell/Want Adds forums seem to indicate otherwise.
Also. Do you think folks like NAGA and JF won all their BPOs?
Don't be silly!
Originally by: Eilie New players who wish to be manufactures have no chance to be able to buy one for years...
Let me explain how "reward" works in EVE.
reward=effort
It's that simple.
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Evelgrivion
Cohort. Storm Armada
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Posted - 2006.11.08 07:47:00 -
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Originally by: Victor Valka
Let me explain how "reward" works in EVE.
reward=effort
It's that simple.
So where was the effort when the lottery first started? The effort only went up for the lottery when the blueprints started running dry. Now there are no blueprints left to be won. Little effort at the start for maximum reward. Later on, maximum effort for what became a rarer reward. I know a couple of people who did tons of research and never got anything. Effort = No reward.
Your function is broken, as is the system. There just arent enough T2 BPOs.
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Victor Valka
Caldari Archon Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.08 07:47:00 -
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Originally by: Eilie ...Invention are useless.
Yea.
See, I want to see them live on TQ for three months before I cast my vote.
I'm inclined to agree, however. I mean, if I built a Cerberus through the Invention system I wouldn't suddenly switch to "I LOVE YOU, WORLD!" mode and sell it for 50 million, would I? That'd be crazy.
I could always fly it and not buy one off the market for 250 million... but that's nonsense, right?
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Eilie
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.11.08 07:48:00 -
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Originally by: Victor Valka
Originally by: Eilie Little known facts: Most T2 BPO owners won't sell their BPs.
Oh. Sell/Want Adds forums seem to indicate otherwise.
Also. Do you think folks like NAGA and JF won all their BPOs?
Don't be silly!
Most people who sold their BPOs did so as soon as they got them. There havn't been any new BPOs released in months and the sell forum reflects that: there are rarely any T2 BPOs for sale and most of them are for worthless ammo...
Originally by: Victor Valka
Originally by: Eilie New players who wish to be manufactures have no chance to be able to buy one for years...
Let me explain how "reward" works in EVE.
reward=effort
It's that simple.
Really? What was the effort by the lotto winners that let them deserve to make so much profit now? A week of mission running and talking to an agent once? Invention will require alot more effort and be much less profitable.
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Eilie
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.11.08 07:55:00 -
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Originally by: Victor Valka
Originally by: Eilie ...Invention is useless.
Yea.
See, I want to see them live on TQ for three months before I cast my vote.
I'm inclined to agree, however. I mean, if I built a Cerberus through the Invention system I wouldn't suddenly switch to "I LOVE YOU, WORLD!" mode and sell it for 50 million, would I? That'd be crazy.
I could always fly it and not buy one off the market for 250 million... but that's nonsense, right?
Saying that inventing your own Cerberus saves you 250mil is just as illogical as people who say they save money by mining their own minerals...
Have you even tried Invention yet on the test server? From what I've seen, you will only get 1 attempt (with max skills and 5 lvl4 agents) to make a BPC every 2 weeks... and according to the devs, the chance of success will be very low! So unless they change something, I will stand by my opinion that Invention is useless.
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Victor Valka
Caldari Archon Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.08 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: Eilie Most people who sold their BPOs did so as soon as they got them. There havn't been any new BPOs released in months and the sell forum reflects that: there are rarely any T2 BPOs for sale and most of them are for worthless ammo...
You know what I was trying to say.
Originally by: Eilie Really? What was the effort by the lotto winners that let them deserve to make so much profit now? A week of mission running and talking to an agent once? Invention will require alot more effort and be much less profitable.
****. Now I'll have to backpedal out of this ****.
"effort=reward" still stands. Not saying that it's proportional.
So, okay. It's more of a "effort->reward".
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Victor Valka
Caldari Archon Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.08 08:32:00 -
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Originally by: Eilie Saying that inventing your own Cerberus saves you 250mil is just as illogical as people who say they save money by mining their own minerals...
Never said it'd save 250 million. Hell, I have no flippin' idea how much it costs to build a Cerberus. So I'll just pulled numbers out of my arse.
What I was aiming at is that you could save some (hopefully, because, like, that's what I'm expecting from Inventions) by building your own Cerberus through Inventions, and that Inventions will not automagically "fix" T2 prices.
Originally by: ...as people who say they save money by mining their own minerals...
Yea. Those folks are funny!
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Hoshino
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Posted - 2006.11.08 08:32:00 -
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I am so on your side Evelgrivion this t2 stuff and how ccp put it on the market is b far the worst that has ever happend to eve and i have b playing since 2003.
Before the t2 "lotto" you had to make the isk if you wanted a bpo and everyone could buy them so all were realy at the same table in that regard you had to work and it could b yours, but now you got t2 items and to say the least it is b far the unfair thing in the eve univers.
And to say that having t2 bpo and making t2 items is hard work well they got a word for that and its "crapp". All larger alliances and most smaller + many independant corps run a werry good moon minerals mining ops with multy towers bouth in low sec and deep space.
The thing that is unfair is that if you have cap recharger t2 bpo it costs you about 300k isk to make it but you sell for 18-20 mill and lets talk t2 ships. Vagabond building cost is if i remember right 28 mill and you sell for 300mill in jita last i knew.
And the way the bpo were put in game comeone i have a resech account that has b doing reserch missions for a werry long time then i get word that the t2 bpo are going to b give thrugh the r&d agents and im like yahoo i will get at least 1 but no joy there had multy lp and no bpo and a ingame mate of mine went to a r&d agent for the 1st time and got a med hybrid t2 bpo in strike 1,in strike 3 he got the othere one.
So ccp put the t2 bpo on the bloddy market like all t1 bpo if you want to give peps somthing special then you are doing it you got the faction bpc that you can get if you are lucky. Dont give some people the right to "PRINT THERE OWN BLODDY MONEY" make it a fair game againe.
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CyberGh0st
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Posted - 2006.11.08 09:16:00 -
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I don't understand how a system like this can exist in a game where you are supposed to have fun.
So some people are lucky and win the lottery and then they can all of a suddon make all the great items ... what a bunch of crap.
Sorry to say, but in this case SWG ( in the old days ) >>> Eve Online
But as I see it, CCP is taking their 1st steps to adress the problem with inventions ( wich actually should be called reverse engineering :p ), but once that is done, it should be boosted to a point where you have a good risk vs reward system.
/Nerf the T2 BPO owners!
Greetings, CyberGh0st.
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Vazion
TOHA Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.08 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: CyberGh0st Sorry to say, but in this case SWG ( in the old days ) >>> Eve Online
Greetings, CyberGh0st.
I..I...Oh..Oh god..My head..Mommy..
*Brain explodes*
YOU ******* HEATHEN! GTFO!
*Chases after you with a dull spoon to cut your fingers off*
I kid!
But seriously, SWG sucked. And as I was talking to my corp about it last night..Died 4 times. FOUR TIMES. FOUR.
But this isn't SWG. This is Eve.
We're short 13 pages, people, chop chop. Also, I expect nothing less than a new thread exactly like this 5 minutes OR LESS after this one is locked due to excessive flaming and..Well..Previously said loop. I'm in ur signature, writing ur witty comments. |
Hoshino
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Posted - 2006.11.08 10:04:00 -
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It is werry simple how to fix this problem t2bpo that have b in the game for more then 6 months you put them on market like any othere bp in game thous who got them in the lotto for free they got a exspensive bpo for free hence the name lotto the rest of eve has to buy them if they want them.
This system we have now stinks so bad that im quiting eve and im selling all my accounts but this one might come back someday.
So ccp like we have b saying since the lotto began why could you guys not just put them on market like any othere bpo there was in game. System worked just fine like it was bs prices are almost the same now as they were 2 years back only thing that has changed is the bloddy unfairnes of the t2 bpo.
If a alliance that has say 3 hac¦s bpo goes to war then they can fitt 5-10 hacs for there members for every 1 hac the othere has to buy now dont try to tell me that its fair and everyone is at the same table, and the reversed engenering what a crapp it might work if you could buy 1 vaga revers it and get mabe a 5-10 run bpc out of it then we might see prices go down to what they are suposed to b.
So would realy like to see someone from ccp coment on this lotto they had and try to tell the rest of us how it made eve more fun and a better game.
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Victor Valka
Caldari Archon Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.08 10:20:00 -
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Let me put this straight:
The only reason T2 (especially HAC and the like) prices are ever gonna go down is if the demand decreases. And the only realistic way I see that happening is if T2 gets nerfed - by TomB. With the bat. In the arse. No lube.
Now ask yourself, do you really want that to see that happen?
I know I don't. Just writing that caused me years of mental anguish.
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Darcie Wray
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Posted - 2006.11.08 10:30:00 -
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The root of WHY the t2 bpo lotto makes people so angry has nothing to do with economics, even if they don't realize it. Why it is such a hot topic is because this is a game that emphasizes hard work and intelligence to reach goals. Running a week or two worth of missions and training a few days or weeks of skills (that you would have trained anyways for the most part) should not qualify someone to own a BPO that has a market value of 70 billion freaking isk.
Luck on that scale should not be used as a game mechanic. It should not be purposfully programmed into a game that is as realistic and challenging as EVE. Luck happens on its own enough without having some code decide some unworthy person gets to be the supreme mega-billionaire of EVE.
We understand supply and demand. We understand the diff between a monopoly and an oligarchy. We understand why BPO owners can sell at a "fair price" (resellers would gobble it all up now that the price has been so high for so long). We understand all of it. What you t2 bpo lottery lovers dont understand is that CCP made a mistake making it SO EASY for a SELECT FEW to gain so much POWER with MINIMAL EFFORT. That is what makes us MAD.
Look at the price of a raven. Its 100m isk in many places. Look at the price of a Caldari Navy Raven. Its 1.3 billion isk. 13x higher! How much better is a raven than a CNR? Maybe 15% better overall. Why is no one complaining? Because CCP does not let mission runners plunk out a CNR once every day for doing a few right clicks of their mouse. It takes a hell of a lot of mission running, and a hell of a lot of gathering actually rare and evne illegal items to get a CNR. The reward is LIMITED. The reward is based on CONSTANT PLAYER EFFORT. The price alone is not what ****es people off about most t2 bpos. Its the fact that the players that own them did nothing to deserve them and do next to nothing to produce their isk.
Get it through your heads.
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Eilie
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.11.08 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: Darcie Wray The root of WHY the t2 bpo lotto makes people so angry has nothing to do with economics, even if they don't realize it. Why it is such a hot topic is because this is a game that emphasizes hard work and intelligence to reach goals. Running a week or two worth of missions and training a few days or weeks of skills (that you would have trained anyways for the most part) should not qualify someone to own a BPO that has a market value of 70 billion freaking isk.
Luck on that scale should not be used as a game mechanic. It should not be purposfully programmed into a game that is as realistic and challenging as EVE. Luck happens on its own enough without having some code decide some unworthy person gets to be the supreme mega-billionaire of EVE.
We understand supply and demand. We understand the diff between a monopoly and an oligarchy. We understand why BPO owners can sell at a "fair price" (resellers would gobble it all up now that the price has been so high for so long). We understand all of it. What you t2 bpo lottery lovers dont understand is that CCP made a mistake making it SO EASY for a SELECT FEW to gain so much POWER with MINIMAL EFFORT. That is what makes us MAD.
Look at the price of a raven. Its 100m isk in many places. Look at the price of a Caldari Navy Raven. Its 1.3 billion isk. 13x higher! How much better is a raven than a CNR? Maybe 15% better overall. Why is no one complaining? Because CCP does not let mission runners plunk out a CNR once every day for doing a few right clicks of their mouse. It takes a hell of a lot of mission running, and a hell of a lot of gathering actually rare and evne illegal items to get a CNR. The reward is LIMITED. The reward is based on CONSTANT PLAYER EFFORT. The price alone is not what ****es people off about most t2 bpos. Its the fact that the players that own them did nothing to deserve them and do next to nothing to produce their isk.
Get it through your heads.
QFT.
...not that it matters. I have posted the same thing 100 times before but the lotto supporters just ignore us and keep repeating the same few lines of BS over and over...
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Daelin Blackleaf
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Posted - 2006.11.08 11:10:00 -
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Edited by: Daelin Blackleaf on 08/11/2006 11:17:16
Originally by: Eilie
Originally by: zeKzn And people who revolt to solve price problems are idiots.
Man, it's been over 200 years. Are you guys still mad that you lost?
I sulk about it all the time .
On topic and ignoring zekzn's posts (the reasoning behind doing so is both ovious and would involve flaming so I'll allow people to guess).
The t2 BPO market is an issue to me (yeah I know, self, self, self. Me my opinion and I) because:
Risk/Effort vs Reward: Yes its more difficult than building t1 and requires a degree of skill but for HACs and Hulks for example the profit margin per item is greater than the sell price of 3-4 battleships a task that would take a small corp weeks.
BPO Lottery: At first this sounds reasonable, then you realise that if Joe Blogs has 5 alts and trains basic research skills on each of them he has 15 times the chance to get a t2 BPO for no effort. Research missions need a buff so that effort actually comes into it.
GTC: While I have no proof of this I'm sure at least a few of these BPOs were purchased by people who invested an immense amount of RL cash to purchase them. The GTC issue is another point and in short while I see no problem with it for the most part being able to grab a few billion to shift the entire games market in your favour strikes me as unreasonable.
Potentially Game Wrecking: For the younger gamer who receives a t2 BPO from his research agent (and the devs have stated that a large number of them go out to low research point chars due to the number of them in the lottery) if you get a t2 BPO nothing else in the game is ever going to be a challenge or even truly rewarding. Provided the player has the brains to ask around and figure out what to do with it he's almost untouchable. +5 implants... yeah go on then, lost a ship... never mind plenty where that came from, mining/ratting... whats the point I have all the isk I need, fun... drops off about as fast as a first person shooter with God Mode switched on.
[EDIT: I don't actually mind that they're all gone, if CCP want to balance the market out this way so be it. But when they are available there should be an equal opportunity of aquiring them based on skill, isk, experience, and teamwork.]
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Felix Dzerzhinsky
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Posted - 2006.11.08 11:10:00 -
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I never understood why T2 BPOs could not be bought like T1 BPOs, or at least be rewarded from Agents more oftain. I don't have an issue with T2 BPOs being difficult to get, but I do have issues when it becomes impossible to get. For the market to be competative, T2 BPOs need to be seeded more oftain, not just a handful, but a constant supply of T2 BPOs being offered by agents every so oftain. So someone with lots of R&D points should be offered a T2 BPO every so oftain, and others will be offered the same BPO over time - the more BPOs there are, the more you will have a competative market - and a competative market is what keeps the prices stable in relation to demand. As it stands, the limitation of T2 BPOs is keeping the price of these ships and mods higher then they should be.
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Eilie
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.11.08 11:11:00 -
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Edited by: Eilie on 08/11/2006 11:16:25
Originally by: Victor Valka
Let me put this straight:
The only reason T2 (especially HAC and the like) prices are ever gonna go down is if the demand decreases. And the only realistic way I see that happening is if T2 gets nerfed - by TomB. With the bat. In the arse. No lube.
Now ask yourself, do you really want that to see that happen?
I know I don't. Just writing that caused me years of mental anguish.
Edit: On second though, yea, I could live with it. Nerf T2!
Why do they need to nerf T2? What do you think will happen if they just seed T2 BPOs on the market? They could sell them for very very high prices (in the billions) which would even help the economy by being a nice ISK sink. People who won T2 BPOs will still be better off as they didn't have to pay for their BPs and they already have had months to profit off them and to do ME research so that they are cheaper to produce than those just getting them. T1 stuff may become useless, but the devs already consider T2 to be baseline and they are probably already planning T3. A few people might whine or quit, but that happens every time CCP makes a change for the greater good.
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To those people complaining that we have yet another T2 thread you should get used to seeing them because they will only increase as the game population grows and as more people realize what a bad joke invention is going to be.
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Darcie Wray
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Posted - 2006.11.08 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Coasterbrian Oh ffs, not another thread about tech II.
Don't worry. We already won this one.
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Daelin Blackleaf
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Posted - 2006.11.08 11:24:00 -
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To those who believe lower t2 prices would lead to everyone flying t2.
I dont see everyone flying Battleships and Capital Ships, why? Yes, in part because they are more expensive but also because not everyone has the skill to fly them and not everyone wants to risk the best ship they can fly. If everyone did fly their best ship all the time Id never sell any t1 frigates to anyone but those fresh out of the academy.
If you trained for it, and could afford the builiding materials twice over, I feel you should be able to fly it.
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