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Serpensis Gallente UK Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.08 18:55:00 - [91] Originally by: zeKzn Actually, the market is an oligopoly, and no player has anything like a monopoly. For one, as that seems to be your favourite way of putting things; one player now owns all the Covert Ops Cloaking Device II BPOs. Not monopoly, huh? The player who got the expanded cargohold I (probably one of the guys from early beta I`d guess) probably has the most ISK in EVE, and can buy all BPOs if he feels like it, given that the current owner will sell. If CCP is wondering why macrominers are having their own little fanfest to celebrate their prosperous business, the flaws of the t2 "lottery" sticks out; out of balance by design. -- "Fear accompanies the possibility of death, calm sheperds its certainty."
zeKzn Empire of Destiny	Posted - 2006.11.08 18:57:00 - [92] Originally by: Serpensis For one, as that seems to be your favourite way of putting things; one player now owns all the Covert Ops Cloaking Device II BPOs. Not monopoly, huh? The only possible response to this that isn't equally unfounded has to be: orly? my thoughts are my own and do not represent the thoughts of my corp
s73v3n2k Caldari UK Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.08 19:16:00 - [93] Edited by: s73v3n2k on 08/11/2006 19:17:43 Edited by: s73v3n2k on 08/11/2006 19:17:28 well if people pay the isk for T2 items why shouldn't the producers charge it ? I know some of the items are expensive but you'll find that those producers have bought those Bpos for Billions of isk to start with. If people were to stop paying for items they would gather on the market forcing producers to start competing for sales. If people are buying the T2 equipment then that means they are in fact being sold for a reasonable price even if it greatly differs from the build cost of the item. As for the lottery system for BPO's ? its always been as fair as CCP could make it just because you don't win the lottery everytime you do it in RL doesn't make it unfair does it ? I haven't looked into the new T2 system but i think the idea CCP had was to shut up some of the people like you who continually whine about the lottery system while at the same time not destroying the value of the BPO's. so whats this bound to mean ? well i would guess that this means they haven't made it easy and not only will it be difficult to get the items needed but once you have them my guess is it will still take weeks or maybe months to get your T2 item. welcome to the real world
Jacque Custeau Knights of the Minmatar Republic	Posted - 2006.11.08 19:31:00 - [94] Edited by: Jacque Custeau on 08/11/2006 19:40:21 As a Tech II producer I would like to take this oppurtunity to respond and present a producer's point of view. I currently sell Muninns (HAC) and Prowlers (Blockade Runner). First things first, when the R&D agents were introduced, the vast majority of people flocked to the agents that offered starship engineering projects. This meant that the chances of getting a ship bpo became astronomically low. It also vastly improved your chances in other fields. I remember researching High Energy Physics and getting a Small Proton Smartbomb II, Small EMP Smartbomb II and Micro capacitor battery II bpo's all the in the space of 3 weeks. They were crap and I couldnt sell the items I had produced, so I too switched to starship engineering. I did not get a single BPO for a very very long time, and after the initial seeding of HACs, I was convinced I would get nothing. But apparently CCP seeded some more later and I got lucky with the ships I mentioned. I am a manufacturer and while I did try buying other bpos (conflagaration s, hobgoblin II), none of them made a pretty penny and I ended up selling them. When I put up ships on the markey, like any other seller, I look at the current prices and place it around or slightly below the cheapest on the market. There is no greed involved and I have no monopoly on the market. I do not eve mail other producers and arrange pricing agreements. I will say I do feel fortunate though. I no longer mine, run missions or npc, and can spend my time doing what I love most, PvP. Keep in mind though I ran agent missions like a zombie at the beginning to get the standing needed for R&D agents, and I trained the research project management skill to level 5 (took more than 2 months) and trained up starship engineering to 5. Say what you will, most players do not show this level of dedication. To say I did "nothing" is an insult. The vast majority of players with R&D agents are in fact of a different kind. They are not producers and have no intention of producing. To them a t2 bpo is a chance to go to the auction forum and make a lot of money. Now who buys these bpo's up? Its the real t2 barons, the people who scored a zealot or vagabond bpo back in the day and are rolling in money now. They are the people that snapped up HAC bpos when they first came out, paying 8-16bil for HAC bpos when people said that it was a dumb investment and they would never make their money back. The people who sold their bpo's are the ones who created the Khatreds and NAGA's of EvE. Players who played longer always have an advantage of sorts. I started EvE 3 days after it went live, but while I was learning the game, the players from Beta were in low sec empire space mining arkanor and bistot in newb frigates with bugged npcs. They got the first cruisers and battleship bpo's, made a killing from sales and used those funds to move into 0.0 and control the megacyte/zydrine market later on when ark and bistot only appeared in deep space.
Evelgrivion Cohort. Storm Armada	Posted - 2006.11.08 19:43:00 - [95] Originally by: Jacque Custeau Edited by: Jacque Custeau on 08/11/2006 19:40:21 As a Tech II producer I would like to take this oppurtunity to respond and present a producer's point of view. I currently sell Muninns (HAC) and Prowlers (Blockade Runner). First things first, when the R&D agents were introduced, the vast majority of people flocked to the agents that offered starship engineering projects. This meant that the chances of getting a ship bpo became astronomically low. It also vastly improved your chances in other fields. I remember researching High Energy Physics and getting a Small Proton Smartbomb II, Small EMP Smartbomb II and Micro capacitor battery II bpo's all the in the space of 3 weeks. They were crap and I couldnt sell the items I had produced, so I too switched to starship engineering. I did not get a single BPO for a very very long time, and after the initial seeding of HACs, I was convinced I would get nothing. But apparently CCP seeded some more later and I got lucky with the ships I mentioned. I am a manufacturer and while I did try buying other bpos (conflagaration s, hobgoblin II), none of them made a pretty penny and I ended up selling them. When I put up ships on the markey, like any other seller, I look at the current prices and place it around or slightly below the cheapest on the market. There is no greed involved and I have no monopoly on the market. I do not eve mail other producers and arrange pricing agreements. I will say I do feel fortunate though. I no longer mine, run missions or npc, and can spend my time doing what I love most, PvP. Keep in mind though I ran agent missions like a zombie at the beginning to get the standing needed for R&D agents, and I trained the research project management skill to level 5 (took more than 2 months) and trained up starship engineering to 5. Say what you will, most players do not show this level of dedication. To say I did "nothing" is an insult. The vast majority of players with R&D agents are in fact of a different kind. They are not producers and have no intention of producing. To them a t2 bpo is a chance to go to the auction forum and make a lot of money. Now who buys these bpo's up? Its the real t2 barons, the people who scored a zealot or vagabond bpo back in the day and are rolling in money now. They are the people that snapped up HAC bpos when they first came out, paying 8-16bil for HAC bpos when people said that it was a dumb investment and they would never make their money back. The people who sold their bpo's are the ones who created the Khatreds and NAGA's of EvE. Players who played longer always have an advantage of sorts. I started EvE 3 days after it went live, but while I was learning the game, the players from Beta were in low sec empire space mining arkanor and bistot in newb frigates with bugged npcs. They got the first cruisers and battleship bpo's, made a killing from sales and used those funds to move into 0.0 and control the megacyte/zydrine market later on when ark and bistot only appeared in deep space. Thank you for your insight. »\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/ Its Cohort. with a C.
Pax Althaleen Amarr	Posted - 2006.11.08 19:49:00 - [96] Originally by: Xaildaine You endup with a small group of BPO owners or resellers being able to set their price or even completely cut the rest of the population off from access to the T2 items they can make. Yeah seriously - Try and get some T2 Spike Medium Ammo in Domain... There hasn't been any available for over a week. Respectfully, Pax Althaleen Holder - House Althaleen
Ranger 1 Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.11.08 20:01:00 - [97] I think you ought to face facts friend. YOU, are not going to be satisfied until someone places a Hulk BPO in your hanger without your having to train any skills for, or utilize a Research Agent, in any way. Lets look one more time at the options you will have in Kali to be able to produce T2 items. 1: Have an equal shot at any new T2 BPO's that are issued as new items become available... or whenever a T2 BPO is destroyed or is in the account of someone who has left the game. 2: You can buy them, just like anyone else. They go on auction all the time. Frankly, a very large portion of the T2 BPO's in game have been obtained this way.. 3: You can use invention and make your own BPC's by using Research agents. Incredibly, this first step is the very same one used by people that get the BPO's... but you have to make the choice on whether to spend your points on the Data Cores a little at a time, or save them up for a chance at the mythical money printing BPO. Once you actually take step 3 a few times, you will quickly realize what a farce most of the complaints about T2 production being easy, unlimited isk actually are. Don't worry, you'll have a lot of company in that boat.
Nanobotter Mk2	Posted - 2006.11.08 20:07:00 - [98] "You all miss the point. CCP wants limited availablility of T2 items. It is not about "Fair", it is not about your feelings of injustice, nor is it about real life like economics. CCP wants T2 to be special, not a mass market item. Thus they created a ruling elite class in EVE Tech2 BPO owners with few BPOs. I am sorry if you do not like it. Our feelings are not a consideration. It is all marketing.........it is all about CCPs vision not ours." No you're missing the point, CCP didnt need to create a farking monopoly in order to acheive this. They could have simply made all the tech 2 bpo limited run that constantly were used up and then reintroduced into the market from r&D agents.... There is no defending the current issue, it is broken, and no other mmo would allow such a major money loophole to go unaddressed for so long. Clearly EVE CCP knows it is borked but why they took so long to dfix suych a game breaking inbalance is the question along with the fact that we have no idea there fix will be adequate.
Eilie Minmatar	Posted - 2006.11.08 20:22:00 - [99] /sigh... I was right again... I wake up and find 10 more posts in the thread by idiots who ignored all our good posts and posted the same stupid comments that we already responded to over and over again... If you think that the T2 situation is fair and plan to post either: (a) Life isn't fair. (b) Prices are high because of demand. (c) Don't buy it if you don't like the price. (d) I worked hard for standings to use my agents (LMAO @ this one) (e) You're just jealous and want CCP to just give you a Hulk BPO in your hanger. Than read the whole thread first because you have no idea what we're complaining about and therefore you're just trolling! _______________________________ It's great not being Amarr, isn't it?
Jacque Custeau Knights of the Minmatar Republic	Posted - 2006.11.08 20:27:00 - [100] I just wanted to point out a few more things. While producing t2 items may seem lucarative, there are only a handful of items that produce obscene profit margins. These are: 1- Select HACS (e.g. cerberus, vagabond...) 2- T2 cap rechargers and power diags 3- T2 drones. 4- Hulks These items are extremely popular and expensive. On the other hand specialist items that fill a very narrow niche are cheap. The best (imo) blockade runner in the game, the Prowler, costs about 15-16 mil to build and sells for 19-20mil. And it sells real slow at that too. No one wants t2 smartbombs or capacitor batteries. Even t2 light drones are not very lucarative either.

Anonymous Coward Gallente Panopticon Citadel	Posted - 2006.11.08 20:31:00 - [101] Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2 No you're missing the point, CCP didnt need to create a farking monopoly in order to acheive this. They could have simply made all the tech 2 bpo limited run that constantly were used up and then reintroduced into the market from r&D agents.... This is exactly how it should have been done from the start and it's absolutely ridiculous that CCP has allowed the current system to continue unchanged.
Evelgrivion Cohort. Storm Armada	Posted - 2006.11.08 20:34:00 - [102] Originally by: Jacque Custeau I just wanted to point out a few more things. While producing t2 items may seem lucarative, there are only a handful of items that produce obscene profit margins. These are: 1- Select HACS (e.g. cerberus, vagabond...) 2- T2 cap rechargers and power diags 3- T2 drones. 4- Hulks Dont forget command ships, Eagles, Zealots... »\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/ Its Cohort. with a C.
Ranger 1 Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.11.08 20:34:00 - [103] Originally by: Eilie /sigh... I was right again... I wake up and find 10 more posts in the thread by idiots who ignored all our good posts and posted the same stupid comments that we already responded to over and over again... If you think that the T2 situation is fair and plan to post either: (a) Life isn't fair. (b) Prices are high because of demand. (c) Don't buy it if you don't like the price. (d) I worked hard for standings to use my agents (LMAO @ this one) (e) You're just jealous and want CCP to just give you a Hulk BPO in your hanger. Than read the whole thread first because you have no idea what we're complaining about and therefore you're just trolling! Yeah, I know what you mean. Every time I log in there are a dozen more thread complaining about T2 BPO's and the new system coming in. All of which have been burned to a crisp completely disproven. However, eventually, you will learn.
Evelgrivion Cohort. Storm Armada	Posted - 2006.11.08 20:39:00 - [104] Originally by: Ranger 1 Originally by: Eilie /sigh... I was right again... I wake up and find 10 more posts in the thread by idiots who ignored all our good posts and posted the same stupid comments that we already responded to over and over again... If you think that the T2 situation is fair and plan to post either: (a) Life isn't fair. (b) Prices are high because of demand. (c) Don't buy it if you don't like the price. (d) I worked hard for standings to use my agents (LMAO @ this one) (e) You're just jealous and want CCP to just give you a Hulk BPO in your hanger. Than read the whole thread first because you have no idea what we're complaining about and therefore you're just trolling! Yeah, I know what you mean. Every time I log in there are a dozen more thread complaining about T2 BPO's and the new system coming in. All of which have been burned to a crisp completely disproven. However, eventually, you will learn. This thead has neither been disproven nor burnt to a crisp. Stop trying to get your way - people who act like you have gotten their way far too often in situations where it wasnt deserved. Stop being trolls, stop **ing about trying to keep a broken system in place that never should have been implemented in the first place and be constructive ffs. Your attitude does not lead to any sort of improvement in anything. »\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/ Its Cohort. with a C.**
000Hunter000 Gallente Leviathan Corperation LTD	Posted - 2006.11.08 20:40:00 - [105] CCP can i have my hulk bpo now? But seriously, i do hope this invention thingy will work atleast a bit driving down the prices of some T2 items, i think they allready stated that it would work better on larger items and on some smaller T2 items it would even be more expensive then to just go out and buy one, which is good, like someone posted, the market on some T2 items is allready slim and profit margins are small so no need to add even more to that, but on other things? whoohooo, show me the cerb/hulk bpc's!!! :D Anyways i simply refuse to pay current silly prices for certain items, and if other people do pay, then their fools plain and simple.
Zutah Ranakin	Posted - 2006.11.08 20:43:00 - [106] you all complain but they had to work for those bpos so they can do what they like with them. if it be they had to run some R&D agents or build up 1 billion isk for there bpo. you go spend a few billion on an item and then get your profit from that item nerfed to hell and see how you feel.
Ranger 1 Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.11.08 20:56:00 - [107] Originally by: Evelgrivion Originally by: Ranger 1 Originally by: Eilie /sigh... I was right again... I wake up and find 10 more posts in the thread by idiots who ignored all our good posts and posted the same stupid comments that we already responded to over and over again... If you think that the T2 situation is fair and plan to post either: (a) Life isn't fair. (b) Prices are high because of demand. (c) Don't buy it if you don't like the price. (d) I worked hard for standings to use my agents (LMAO @ this one) (e) You're just jealous and want CCP to just give you a Hulk BPO in your hanger. Than read the whole thread first because you have no idea what we're complaining about and therefore you're just trolling! Yeah, I know what you mean. Every time I log in there are a dozen more thread complaining about T2 BPO's and the new system coming in. All of which have been burned to a crisp completely disproven. However, eventually, you will learn. This thead has neither been disproven nor burnt to a crisp. Stop trying to get your way - people who act like you have gotten their way far too often in situations where it wasnt deserved. Stop being trolls, stop ****ing about trying to keep a broken system in place that never should have been implemented in the first place and be constructive ffs. Your attitude does not lead to any sort of improvement in anything. So if we don't agree with you... we are trolls? So if we know how the T2 system "really" works and you don't... we are trolls? Frankly, you are the troll. You're complaining about a system which is being improved without having any idea how its going to play out in game. Its not done, not implemented, and not even fully detailed in the dev blog concerning it... and yet that hasn't stopped you in the slightest. Go away, and come back after you have more for ammunition than hot air.
Jacque Custeau Knights of the Minmatar Republic	Posted - 2006.11.08 21:04:00 - [108] I have been following the thread and just wanted to add a few more notes. The t2 system came about after there were extended complaints about manufacturing in EvE being broken. It was a common thing to see on the boards. Manufacturing corps and individual builders were very bitter to see that the money they invested in a t1 bpo was not justified after people could just buy bpc's very easily and produce them just as fast as they can and at the same cost. They would then get undercut in the market and forced to sell a cruiser or battleship for pennies and dimes in profit. Thus the t2 system came about and it aimed to create a system for manufacturers to create elite items. Copies and build times would be slow going, so items would be expensive and exclusive. However, there were other promises that were made when the t2 system was devised that never reached fruition or were implemented too late: 1. CCP said that the invention/reverse engineering system would be introduced back then, and it has taken them 2 years to get around to it. They definitely added more hurdles than they advertized 2. We were promised POS's ship production that would allow us to customize certain features of the ship we were producing. POS ship production only came in recently and we still cannot customize t1 ships we produce. This would have meant producers would still be producing at the t1 level, but had the oppurtunity to produce items that were marginally unique in one way or another. 3. There is no transparency in the lottery system. No names are released, number of bpo's awarded are not known for each type, nor do we know which ones are in production and which ones are sitting in hangars.
Lord Frost Minmatar The Crystal Method	Posted - 2006.11.08 21:29:00 - [109] ** SOLUTION ** Simple solution is to make all t2 bpos limited runs... thus bpcs... along with making a limited production time to build. Such as they get 2 months to produce 100 runs... or something along that line. They can either produce the 200 runs as fast as possible, which after they are all produced another t2 bpc is then reseeded and won by another. Or if they neglect the duties to make them, after 2 months its trashed and reseeded to another owner. This would fix those who own t2s and are inactive, and those that control supply of t2s. This forces them to make them in the set amount of time, or lose them. EASY FIX! DONE! If you whine about it, then you're just a greedy bastid that deserves to whine.
infraX Caldari Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.11.08 21:37:00 - [110] Edited by: infraX on 08/11/2006 21:37:42 In reply to Jacque Custeau.. Guess what. The T1 manufacturing system is still broken, people are still undercutting each other for nickles and dimes, which is why I gave up on the hope of having a manufacturing alt a long time ago and instead decided to train up another race for pvp when i realised building stuff was a waste of time. Adding T2 production hasn't changed anything to fix that still broken manufacturing system we all have. All it has done is given a select few individuals a license to print isk for perhaps a couple of minutes of work per day, once they have their contracts for components sorted, and then just watch the iskies roll in. This is one of eve's biggest design flaws if you ask me. What they should have done is made it harder to build T1 stuff. Look at other games, you don't just get a few skills and then use the exact same bunch of raw materials to build everything in the game after a bit of training. You have to specialise at one particular thing. If you ask me, T1 items should require MUCH more diverse skill training to manufacture, and use lots of different types of components and minerals so that corps and individuals have to specialise and work together a lot more in order to make money. Maybe having a corp made up of a whole bunch of people, specialised in building lots of invidivual bits and pieces that come together to make one type of ship or whatever. As it stands, it takes no time at all to train some manufacturing skills, buy some minerals and build everything in the game with those exact same skills and materials. It's too easy. Everyone can build everything which is why you can't make a percentage on T1. Now before all you smart arses start, I'm not saying there is absolutely nothing to be made from T1 production. However I do know that you have to do it on a large scale and move a lot of stuff around to different regions before you can begin to notice some good profit for your effort.

Alowishus Shadow Company Alektorophobia	Posted - 2006.11.08 21:52:00 - [111] Edited by: Alowishus on 08/11/2006 21:54:51 Along these lines of rereleasing T2 BPOs, I'd also like to add that CCP should start all new players with 50mil skill points and a trillion isk. There is absolutely no reason why older players should have any sort of advantage over new players. Actually scratch that. The Eve client should simply be an application that consists of a 'Win' button that by pressing, will magically send a hooker, 12 pack and a pizza right to your door.
Cez	Posted - 2006.11.08 21:54:00 - [112] Originally by: infraX Edited by: infraX on 08/11/2006 21:37:42 In reply to Jacque Custeau.. Guess what. The T1 manufacturing system is still broken, people are still undercutting each other for nickles and dimes, which is why I gave up on the hope of having a manufacturing alt a long time ago and instead decided to train up another race for pvp when i realised building stuff was a waste of time. Now before all you smart arses start, I'm not saying there is absolutely nothing to be made from T1 production. However I do know that you have to do it on a large scale and move a lot of stuff around to different regions before you can begin to notice some good profit for your effort. T1 profit is based on where you produce, more so than the T2 spam in Jita. It does take considerably a lot more work to profit from t1 than the lazy t2 producers. The best way to get into t1 is find a home and build there... no need to move things around. Just optimize your system and region as best as you can. My corp did and simply drove out weak competition. Compared to t2, which is pretty much the standard now if you want to play this game at a high level... its still worse. T2 is no longer elite... its expensive, but if you want to play and compete you need it, thats why we buy it... otherwise we'd all quit the game. But with our luck CCP would see us leave and then fix the t2 problem. Only once it hits them in the wallet. CCP refuses to admit there is a problem, and they refuse to take accountability for the problem. They also refuse to explain why nothing has been done. Okay, I don't know what they have said exactly, but I know I haven't heard jack. The game has explanded and so should the t2 line.... simple math. Sometimes real geniuses fail to see the most simple answer. The solution is so easy, yet they give more problems to try and fix something, when they need to just fix it.
Lord Frost Minmatar The Crystal Method	Posted - 2006.11.08 21:57:00 - [113] Originally by: Alowishus Edited by: Alowishus on 08/11/2006 21:54:51 Along these lines of rereleasing T2 BPOs, I'd also like to add that CCP should start all new players with 50mil skill points and a trillion isk. There is absolutely no reason why older players should have any sort of advantage over new players. Actually scratch that. The Eve client should simply be an application that consists of a 'Win' button that by pressing, will magically send a hooker, 12 pack and a pizza right to your door. Typical response from someone who offers nothing to the conversation. Your attempt failed miserably.
Jon Boy E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.08 22:10:00 - [114] Alright. I've seen too much of this. Just because you are so smart that you can explain HOW T2 BPOs go for so much, dosen't mean that it's not a problem. I've seen a surprising number of people thinking that because they understand it that makes it OK.
Cairhien Minmatar Acme Technologies Incorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.11.08 22:51:00 - [115] As said before only a select group of bpo's make a lot of isk. I have an rcu II, had a conflagration M, and a lg armor repairer. The first two items are very hard to sell and I make very little for the effort required. The repairer is a little better. I can make more hunting rats in 0.0. The vast majority of bpo's are not isk makers and some are almost worthless, just a few are very valuable and they should be rare.
Lord Dynastron	Posted - 2006.11.08 23:00:00 - [116] Originally by: Serpensis Originally by: zeKzn Actually, the market is an oligopoly, and no player has anything like a monopoly. For one, as that seems to be your favourite way of putting things; one player now owns all the Covert Ops Cloaking Device II BPOs. Not monopoly, huh? No, not a monopoly! There are no monopolies in Eve as NO ONE PERSON has all the BPO's. You have Oligopolies,, some of them price fixing. I estimate based on posts and chat watching he (Naal Morno) owns between one and three full sets of the various stages of Cloaking device BPOs. My research has shown me there are at least 20 BPOs for every T2 component. You think Naal has all 20!??!? You can link me to post that says he has them all? Lol,,, I sound like a Naal stalker.
Alowishus Shadow Company Alektorophobia	Posted - 2006.11.08 23:03:00 - [117] Yeah, Vagabond BPO is probably an isk printer while I have to imagine the Ares BPO is toilet paper.
Feng Schui Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2006.11.08 23:32:00 - [118] Ok.... here we go: I "win" a tech II bpo.... I start making the T2 item for ridiculous amounts of cash I now have ridiculous amounts of cash... Hrmm.. I still have ridiculous amounts of cash and it keeps coming... Umm... what I am I going to do with all of this isk! Ok, now how exactly does that effect the average joe schmoe? Ok, he pays more for that tech II ship (which he can earn in a day doing missions / mining / begging / or whatever)... who cares? So 8 people in this game control 90% (lets say 90%... a gross over-estimate) of the isk that is out there.. how exactly does that affect me? It doesn't. (and no, I don't have any bpo's other than a couple of t1 small ammo bpo's... and all I buy are T2 gear / items -if i can use them) Besides, if you look IN-DEPTH at the ISK trail, which I'm sure CCP has done... all of the isk earned by the T2 BPO holders eventually falls back into the hands of the everyday - joe - schmoe, through trading / buying gear / gear for alts / gear for corp / whatever.
Neon Genesis Gallente Hooligans Of War	Posted - 2006.11.08 23:51:00 - [119] Originally by: Pham Sirge Hi all, Every time please complain about the T2 bpos' Every bozo with a grasp of economics jumps up and down, ready for the big shocker: We donÆt care if eve is a real life economy or not. We just wanna fly the ships we have trained for (3 months or so) without having to spend an equal quantity of time grinding to afford it. The current state means they are entirely uneconomical in pvp. The only people flying hac's into combat are corps who have an alignment with a bpo owner. When I was down in ascn space we were offered cheaper(still above cost) hulks and hac's on the proviso we donÆt on sell them. Now that we have left ASCN(about 2-3 months ago) Im back to shopping at empire prices and thatÆs just painful. On a final note: T2 BPO owners seem to be a very vocal minority whenever their prices are questioned (Go go jenny spitfire)... and we always get those stupid 2 month old players "if you cant afford it donÆt buy it" when you grow up I'll consider your opinion. HACS should not be a ship 0.0 pilots keep in their hanger to impress newbieÆs, WhatÆs the point of having them in game if the only people who use them are no-risk mission runners? , Pham Sirge Why do we care about any realism in the game then by your logic? Not even going to read the OP. Welcome to the 1000th thread about the same old t2 BPO crap.
Evelgrivion Cohort. Storm Armada	Posted - 2006.11.09 00:08:00 - [120] Originally by: Neon Genesis Why do we care about any realism in the game then by your logic? Not even going to read the OP. Welcome to the 1000th thread about the same old t2 BPO crap. Thanks for providing your almost completely uninformed input. »\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/ Its Cohort. with a C.



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