Originally by: Jim McGregor

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Influence over the local area is all well and fine, but what if you want to expand your space?

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Originally by: Ask Ninja

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Kill all the wolves you're gonna have a crapload of bunnies, and by bunnies I mean stupid people.

Originally by: Brucette

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Originally by: Trance Gemmini

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Clueless -- If CCP were to remove the Instas and not implement Warp to Zero, this game would be one HUGE GATECAMP FEST. Blob tactics on gates would be the primary reason any ships was destroyed.

I vote remove insta's, implement Warp to Zero and have the pirates find another way to gank people.

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I'm afraid I do not agree with you either.
There may indeed be a brief period of extreme pain, but this change also means the pirates are unable to insta out of the system and escape our wrath.

The only problem is that logging off is not nerfed, so the ability to trap someone in a system and hunt them is not as useful as it could be.

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Originally by: Caleb Paine

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Edited by: Caleb Paine on 09/11/2006 13:08:52
- Have BS have a similar warpspeed as freighters.
- The bigger the ship, the bigger the 'warp to 0' deviation, so a BC would have to travel some 2km to get into jumprange where as a BS will have to do 5km or something similar. This includes haulers and freighters.

This means that smaller ships DO have an advantage, both for traveling as tactically. It would decrease the 10+ man, BS heavy blobs roaming around. Granted there will still be 10+ man in cruisers/frigs but that DOES make them less powerful and since CCP has been talking about wanting to defend your hometurf, YOU have BS's in the system you're living in, the enemy will (most probably) bring smaller stuff so that gives the home team a defense advantage.

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Originally by: DOGNOSH

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Seriously,this is good news for you ! ! !
Your main moan as pirates(apart from moaning about everything else in the game that doesn't give you the 'I Win' button)is now "NO to Warp to 0" and "Too Many carebears in EVE already"

1.Some Carebears who won't venture into your trap will now think they have a chance of entering low sec and escaping,so at the very least traffic will be increased for you ! ! !

2. Too many carebears ? GOOD ! more fodder for you !!!

3. You hate lag yet you don't want to give CCP a chance to fix it ! the "Warp to 0" idea is probably the first step in 2 or 3 of reducing lag in EVE
They probably want to get it in,see effects,then hope or make people remove "to gate" BMs eventually !
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Also you don't know a good thing even if it comes over and bites you in the arse ! ! !
You moaned about WCS's being too strong,seems like you got your way and it is now nerfed(in KALI?)
I wonder if that will lose you a few customers ?

learn to live with it or go play WOW!

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Originally by: Derkan

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I really dont like spending my eve time moving around from one place to another, its just too **** boring and a waste of my playing time.

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Originally by: Caleb Paine

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As someone stated earlier; fast traveling effectively shrinks the game, it opens up for all kinds of FPS like gameplay. If I want to fight something 30 jumps away that should require EFFORT, 30 jumps is a whole lot if you compare it to the EVE mapsize.

Keeping traveling slow and cumbersome has a lot of good side effects;

- trading goes up
- alliances will get less claimed space (you'll need more people to police your space).
- having smaller/faster ships would actually MEAN something (similar to BS's actually meaning something ie, slow and cumbersome).
- your neighbour becomes a lot more important all of a sudden, therefore more communication
- you'll get more 'splintercell' corps/small alliances all claiming their own small part of the map.
- war will actually MEAN something, you'll have to use strategic traveling, logictics. You would have to arrange for a 'forward base of operations'. It would require more planning and teamwork and (gasp) effort.
- Jumpdrive capable ships would/should/could be implemented (BS size) to make up for that at the expense of combat effiency, actually using jumpdrive capships to move your fleet around would be cool too (make one that's actually attainable skill/cashwise, for the sole purpose of moving fleets around).

I have no problems with frigates and cruisers buzzing around systems moving switfly between systems and regions, I DO have a problem with BS's and (to a lesser extend) BC's doing the same. If there would be a meaningful way of slowing those down to a point where people will have to make CHOICES on what ship to bring to pewpew 15-20 jumps away then that is a good thing. Atm there's no reason NOT to bring a BS to a distant fight. If you lower the effiency of BS's to move around you effectively make combat less revolved around the big guys so you'll get more ship diversity.

With the upcoming new BC's you might see more of those on the battlefield if they are a lot more mobile than BS's, atm they're still somewhere in no man's land; Cruiser damage and BS agility/signature size. If you lower the traveling options of a BS a BC would actually be a proper alternative.

Stop decreasing mapsize, actually make it larger by slowing down traveling in severals ways.

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Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2

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Originally by: Caleb Paine

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As someone stated earlier; fast traveling effectively shrinks the game, it opens up for all kinds of FPS like gameplay. If I want to fight something 30 jumps away that should require EFFORT, 30 jumps is a whole lot if you compare it to the EVE mapsize.

Keeping traveling slow and cumbersome has a lot of good side effects;

- trading goes up
- alliances will get less claimed space (you'll need more people to police your space).
- having smaller/faster ships would actually MEAN something (similar to BS's actually meaning something ie, slow and cumbersome).
- your neighbour becomes a lot more important all of a sudden, therefore more communication
- you'll get more 'splintercell' corps/small alliances all claiming their own small part of the map.
- war will actually MEAN something, you'll have to use strategic traveling, logictics. You would have to arrange for a 'forward base of operations'. It would require more planning and teamwork and (gasp) effort.
- Jumpdrive capable ships would/should/could be implemented (BS size) to make up for that at the expense of combat effiency, actually using jumpdrive capships to move your fleet around would be cool too (make one that's actually attainable skill/cashwise, for the sole purpose of moving fleets around).

I have no problems with frigates and cruisers buzzing around systems moving switfly between systems and regions, I DO have a problem with BS's and (to a lesser extend) BC's doing the same. If there would be a meaningful way of slowing those down to a point where people will have to make CHOICES on what ship to bring to pewpew 15-20 jumps away then that is a good thing. Atm there's no reason NOT to bring a BS to a distant fight. If you lower the effiency of BS's to move around you effectively make combat less revolved around the big guys so you'll get more ship diversity.

With the upcoming new BC's you might see more of those on the battlefield if they are a lot more mobile than BS's, atm they're still somewhere in no man's land; Cruiser damage and BS agility/signature size. If you lower the traveling options of a BS a BC would actually be a proper alternative.

Stop decreasing mapsize, actually make it larger by slowing down traveling in severals ways.

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Only problem with your points Caleb is that people are already warping to zero with BM's so nothing is gonna change. So of the things you posted, none will be impacted, for anyone playing this game for a reasonable amount of time. Only very casual players and noobs will benifit from this regarding your points and honestly I can;t see a problem with noobs and casual players having it a little easier.

So again nothing is gonna change, people running trade routes already use insta's, people out in zero already use instas, so thier Bs already kept up with frigates... etc... Again the problem with your post is the assumption that traveling is currently slow, when it isnt.


PS aohk Khan yuur sig utterly owns.

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Originally by: Thor Xian

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Originally by: Derkan

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I really dont like spending my eve time moving around from one place to another, its just too **** boring and a waste of my playing time.

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Then don't.

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Originally by: Phalyssa Truixim

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Arguing that something shouldn't be there in the first place is just silly. It is there. You can stick your fingers in your ears and go "lalalalala" but it doesn't change that they are there. So you have to work off the fact that there are instas and people use them. Thus, warp to 0 is already in the game. They are just making it for everyone rather than forcing people to remake them or copy their corp's stash. In essence, it is removing multiple time sinks from the game. I am a big fan as I hate the artificial travel times that MMOs introduce. Will space feel smaller? Sure. But we aren't in space. We are playing a game...one that should be fun. Time sinks are not fun.

I do understand that this may cause issues for pirates. It will be interesting to see how it plays out. But honestly, the people are going to venture in to .4 and below will generally have instas anyways...so it is really a moot point. CCP really had two (simple) options. Remove instas and keep warp to 15 or remove instas and add warp to 0. They just chose the path that was least painful on the majority of their player base. I think it should be given a chance. If it damages the game too much, it always can be altered.

People on here are just such pansies. They had to change something. If that makes you come here and state you are quitting...well, you are just being emo-ish. All MMOs are going to change in ways you don't like. Suck it up. If it changes things too badly have some faith in the developers that they will quickly address those issues.

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Originally by: Novan Leon

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Saying that adding "warp to 0km" won't change anything because people do it anyway ignores the fact that insta's shouldn't be there in the first place.

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Originally by: Skraelingz

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Originally by: Novan Leon

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Saying that adding "warp to 0km" won't change anything because people do it anyway ignores the fact that insta's shouldn't be there in the first place.

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How do you figure? ccp TELLS you to make instas in the tutorials.

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Originally by: Thelmarr

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WRONG!!!!

Why would pirates need to jump out of system? They will bounce INSIDE system until they can dock. Or they just log off. They just effectively escaped your wrath. They, on the other hand, cause trouble and annoyance to everyone trying to fly through the system.

So forcing people to jump in on 15km would turn the game impossible to play for everyone not in powerful corp/alliance. That is, outside highsec.

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Originally by: Caleb Paine

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Edited by: Caleb Paine on 09/11/2006 13:08:52
- Have BS have a similar warpspeed as freighters.
- The bigger the ship, the bigger the 'warp to 0' deviation, so a BC would have to travel some 2km to get into jumprange where as a BS will have to do 5km or something similar. This includes haulers and freighters.

This means that smaller ships DO have an advantage, both for traveling as tactically. It would decrease the 10+ man, BS heavy blobs roaming around. Granted there will still be 10+ man in cruisers/frigs but that DOES make them less powerful and since CCP has been talking about wanting to defend your hometurf, YOU have BS's in the system you're living in, the enemy will (most probably) bring smaller stuff so that gives the home team a defense advantage.

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