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Verone Veto.	Posted - 2006.11.14 21:37:00 - [61] Originally by: Zakthar Kadaj This is an odd matter, as it is a blame game. The Caldari will blame the gallente for entering caldari space with marines. The gallente will blame the caldari, for not accepting it as a helping mission. The fact of the matter is, veto attacked what appeared to be a humanitarian mission, and i do not agree with it. I do however, respect the efficiency with which the contract was executed. Sorry VETO, but Kernowtek does not condone your attack on humanitarian aid. A humanitarian mission does not waltz into someone else's space, fully armed and carrying a consignment of 500 armed and battle ready marines, uninvited after numerous warning not to breach the border. The two sovreign states can go ahead and blame eachother for what happened, it's not our problem. We were paid to do a job, we completed it. If the State or Federation have a problem with this, they can feel free to have a diplomatic representative contact me to voice their concerns for our actions.
Enotz Terminus Est Incorporated	Posted - 2006.11.14 21:49:00 - [62] Personally i'll see if the Federation makes any more attempts to "invade" before I judge. Out of curiousity, Veto corp, how much were you paid for this strike? And how much do your services usually go for?
Verone Veto.	Posted - 2006.11.14 22:36:00 - [63] Originally by: Enotz Out of curiousity, Veto corp, how much were you paid for this strike? And how much do your services usually go for? How much we were paid will remain unstated, as per our client confidentially clause. I will say it was a generous contract, attacking the Federation Navy under the "watchful" eye of CONCORD is never a wise thing. As for contracting, our price varies from client to client depending on the requirements of each individual contract.
Plan Neun Caldari Ganja Unlimited Serenity Fallen	Posted - 2006.11.15 11:09:00 - [64] Originally by: Verone Originally by: Zakthar Kadaj This is an odd matter, as it is a blame game. The Caldari will blame the gallente for entering caldari space with marines. The gallente will blame the caldari, for not accepting it as a helping mission. The fact of the matter is, veto attacked what appeared to be a humanitarian mission, and i do not agree with it. I do however, respect the efficiency with which the contract was executed. Sorry VETO, but Kernowtek does not condone your attack on humanitarian aid. A humanitarian mission does not waltz into someone else's space, fully armed and carrying a consignment of 500 armed and battle ready marines, uninvited after numerous warning not to breach the border. The two sovreign states can go ahead and blame eachother for what happened, it's not our problem. We were paid to do a job, we completed it. If the State or Federation have a problem with this, they can feel free to have a diplomatic representative contact me to voice their concerns for our actions. Respect and congratulations with a job well done to Verone and Veto on this operation. Thanks CEO "I Will Drug You and Fluff You, through the permafrost"
Nachshon Caldari Tyrfing Securities	Posted - 2006.11.16 01:00:00 - [65] Edited by: Nachshon on 16/11/2006 01:02:04 Verone, I just did some research on your corporation. Your corporation seems to be the same one that launched pirate attacks on us. However, a further search finds that the specific Veto pirate that attacked us is no longer flying. His name was Mao Zedong, or some corruption thereof. Do you remember him at all?
MellaRinn Veto.	Posted - 2006.11.16 02:48:00 - [66] Originally by: Nachshon Edited by: Nachshon on 16/11/2006 01:02:04 Verone, I just did some research on your corporation. Your corporation seems to be the same one that launched pirate attacks on us. However, a further search finds that the specific Veto pirate that attacked us is no longer flying. His name was Mao Zedong, or some corruption thereof. Do you remember him at all? Mao Tsetung is currently within our roster. We have taken a break from low-security system piracy and are now pursuing a mercenary career. Open for contracts any time... Click
Verone Veto.	Posted - 2006.11.16 15:52:00 - [67] Originally by: Nachshon Edited by: Nachshon on 16/11/2006 01:02:04 Verone, I just did some research on your corporation. Your corporation seems to be the same one that launched pirate attacks on us. However, a further search finds that the specific Veto pirate that attacked us is no longer flying. His name was Mao Zedong, or some corruption thereof. Do you remember him at all? He is still on our roster, and goes by the name of Mao TseTung. He is also a valued and loyal pilot. Such claims of hostility seem bizzare, as I still cannot see a single registered encounter anywhere in our corporate records even after searching extensively for the name of your corporation. Interesting.
Davlos Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2006.11.17 02:19:00 - [68] I have been watching the Veto Family's actions for a while, Verone. Most interesting indeed. Best of luck to your contract, good sir. --------------- Davlos Cain 040
Feng Schui Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2006.11.19 22:55:00 - [69] Perhaps someone within Veto's ranks has his or her own agenda? And, how much, on a rough estimated scale, would Veto charge for the slaughter of an individual 5 times be? Of course, proof of the slaughter would need to be confirmed... as in... 5 corpses that I can hang on the wall of my latrine?
Mik Nostrebor Minmatar ORKS	Posted - 2006.11.22 01:00:00 - [70] Well, There are a few points glossed over here. 1. Caldari are hardly innocent of sending war vessels into foreign space uninvited. I myself had a mission from Republic Fleet to investigate missing ships and raided colonies. Upon deeper investigation I discovered that Amarr slavers had been raiding Minmatar installations and taking all peoples. Following the trail, lo and behold there were Caldari NAVY vessels in support who attacked ME in MINMATAR HIGH SECURITY SPACE not 3 jumps from the capital! 2. The Home Guard had the matter in hand. The convoy, illegal or not, had been stopped in it's tracks and was engaging in diplomatic discourse when the attack by a 3rd party mercenary force ocurred. This attack is an unprovoked attack by a civillian force in Caldari space. If the Caldari government does not take action against this mercenary force the message is clear: Caldari state is not competent nor willing to protect it's own sovereignty is accepting it's own inability to govern. It is a clear admission of incompetance and the Caldari mega-corporations should take action to protect their own assets by replacing this incapable and dangerously lacking government. I imagine Kaalakiota Corporation is at this very moment hiring mercenry forces to bolster it's own defences. After all, it was lucky the Veto contract did not go further and have their 'home guard' and station destroyed as well....?!? 3. Another highly suspiscious event is that ALL of the Gallente ships were destroyed. How come none of them got away? There is not even a report of an escape pod making it out. There must have been some sabotage in the offing for a total loss. Has anyone thought of that. It appears that this event was highly engineered and that the Caldari government was completely unaware of this incident before it happened. The fact that they have not outlawed Veto nor even slapped their wrists inmplies that the contractor has power over the government as well. They have lost face and demostrated their total powerlessness in this issue. Something that is extrememly scary of itself considering how the Caldari Navy has never been backward in coming forward. What would be big enough to shut them up and make them hide in the corner over an event in their own sovereign space! And to add fuel to the fire, it was the Gallente government who offered the insult of an aid mission, implying the Caldari Government's inability to control it's own affairs. Obviously the Gallente point was correct. The Caldari State CANNOT manage it's own affairs! And if the State can't who will? Mercenary corporations? Mik, A neutral Minmatari citizen. AUSSIE AND KIWI EVE Fansite

Nachshon Caldari Tyrfing Securities	Posted - 2006.11.22 03:00:00 - [71] Originally by: Verone He is still on our roster, and goes by the name of Mao TseTung. He is also a valued and loyal pilot. Such claims of hostility seem bizzare, as I still cannot see a single registered encounter anywhere in our corporate records even after searching extensively for the name of your corporation. Interesting. Very interesting, especially given that my CEO, Piuro (who will be retiring soon), placed a 2-million ISK bounty on Mao's head. I should note that Tyrfing Securities and Veto were never at war. This may be why our corporation is not listed in your records. Also, I am unsure as to the details of the attack, which I was not present for. It may have been that Mao attacked Piuro, and Piuro withdrew, and survived. Anyway, I retract my earlier comments. After all, you made the decision to cease piracy, which is certainly admirable. Mercenaries, at least, have some values (keeping the identity of your client secret under great duress shows honesty).
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.11.22 03:55:00 - [72] Originally by: Mik Nostrebor 2. The Home Guard had the matter in hand. The convoy, illegal or not, had been stopped in it's tracks and was engaging in diplomatic discourse when the attack by a 3rd party mercenary force ocurred. This attack is an unprovoked attack by a civillian force in Caldari space. If the Caldari government does not take action against this mercenary force the message is clear: Caldari state is not competent nor willing to protect it's own sovereignty is accepting it's own inability to govern. It is a clear admission of incompetance and the Caldari mega-corporations should take action to protect their own assets by replacing this incapable and dangerously lacking government. I imagine Kaalakiota Corporation is at this very moment hiring mercenry forces to bolster it's own defences. After all, it was lucky the Veto contract did not go further and have their 'home guard' and station destroyed as well....?!? Yes, it's incompetence that made the Navy sit and watch a Federation incursion get destroyed... D you even know what you're talking about? From the looks of things I'd have to say no. Why would the Caldari Navy even lift a finger to defend anotther empire's military vessels that were in volation of intersetllar treaties and refusing to stand down and return home when ordered to by the soverign nation whose space they were violating? The 'diplomatic discourse' consisted of the Federation ships being told to return home, and them refusing. Their refusal and stubbornness got them killed. I think you'll find the incompetence is with the Federation, and its Navy lacking the ability to defend itself. And sabotage? Perhaps you're underestimating the ability of some of the pilots of Veto; escape pods rarely survive if they'd locked down and fired upon. The State is under no obligation to defend Federation ships, especially when said ships are not only violating our space without prior authorization or request, but refusing to stand down when told. If it were State ships in the Federation you'd have a bunch of Gallente and minmatar screaming for war. There's nothing neutral about you, you are quite biased in your views towards the State, a pity. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Mik Nostrebor Minmatar ORKS	Posted - 2006.11.22 04:32:00 - [73] Edited by: Mik Nostrebor on 22/11/2006 04:35:27 Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Why would the Caldari Navy even lift a finger to defend anotther empire's military vessels that were in volation of intersetllar treaties and refusing to stand down and return home when ordered to by the soverign nation whose space they were violating? The 'diplomatic discourse' consisted of the Federation ships being told to return home, and them refusing. Their refusal and stubbornness got them killed. Interesting. Firstly, I don't know where you got the idea that I thought the 'home guard' should have defended the Gallenteans. I never said anything like that at all. Also interesting is that the 'home guard' was in progress of communicating with the gallentean ships when Veto came in and blew them all up. Are you saying that the home guard called Veto in? Veto themselves deny that. Do you know more then the rest of us do then? I guess not and I guess that the Caldari State NOT claiming responsibility for the event means it was NOT a Caldari State or Caldari Navy action... Which leaves my point standing... If the Gallente ships where to be destroyed, why did a freelancing private navy do the work? It makes the Caldari State look weak and confused. Especially when their 'home guard' was already dealing with the situation. Since when does any police force tolerate a vigilante group shooting up people they have detained and are questioning? Only a very weak police force, a weak one of a weak government. At least that is how it looks right now. And obviously Veto holds the Caldari Navy (or at least that home guard unit) in complete contempt to go ahead with their operation right in the face of the supposed LAW! :) M
Verone Veto.	Posted - 2006.11.23 00:55:00 - [74] Originally by: Feng Schui Perhaps someone within Veto's ranks has his or her own agenda? And, how much, on a rough estimated scale, would Veto charge for the slaughter of an individual 5 times be? Of course, proof of the slaughter would need to be confirmed... as in... 5 corpses that I can hang on the wall of my latrine? You can contact me regarding this, however a pilot with an Egger's liscence as recent as yours will need to front a lot of ISK to gain our attention.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.11.23 01:35:00 - [75] Originally by: Mik Nostrebor Which leaves my point standing... If the Gallente ships where to be destroyed, why did a freelancing private navy do the work? It makes the Caldari State look weak and confused. Especially when their 'home guard' was already dealing with the situation. Since when does any police force tolerate a vigilante group shooting up people they have detained and are questioning? Only a very weak police force, a weak one of a weak government. At least that is how it looks right now. And obviously Veto holds the Caldari Navy (or at least that home guard unit) in complete contempt to go ahead with their operation right in the face of the supposed LAW! :) M Your point seems rather hazy, but you seem to be asking why the Caldari didn't destroy the Federation force instead of watching Veto do it? However I think you simply do not understand interstellar law. It doesn't matter what Veto thinks of the Caldari Navy, them destroying those Federation ships was not some act of defiance in the face of the State, and very likely saved the State a bit of hassle should the Federation convoy refused to leave and attempted to land (which would have been nothing short of an invasion), which would have prompted their destruction by the State rather than 'a vigilante group'. Veto's not a group of idiots, and I'm sure they were aware of the fact that the Caldari wouldn't care to fire on them for fulfilling that particular contract. The State did not 'detain and question' the Federation ships, they told them to go home, and the Gallente were being stubborn (no surprise there). If you aren't sure why I brought up the idea of Home guard defending the Federation ships, then reread your own statements. You suggest that the State is weak or incompetent for allowing such a thing to happen. I told you why such ideas are wrong. As for when a police force tolerates another party shooting someone they're 'questioning'(telling to go away)? As I already said, if the Federation had kept refusing, they would have very likely tried to land without permission, and given the extra combat forces on their ships, it would have easily been seen as an invasion and Home Guard would have destroyed them to protect their assets and interests. As for the Caldari police force being 'weak', you'd be a complete fool to think such a thing. The Caldari Naval forces are the smallest in number, but they are by far the most technologically advanced and can match the larger navies of the Federation, and even the Amarr. As for a weak government, well I just find such a comment rather funny when it comes from a minmatar. The Republic's government seems to barely hold together these days. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Feng Schui Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2006.11.23 02:46:00 - [76] Originally by: Verone You can contact me regarding this, however a pilot with an Egger's liscence as recent as yours will need to front a lot of ISK to gain our attention. I understand, as I was just curious, of course.. as I would never hire out a corporation to exact a certain revenge against a pilot that dishonored his corporation's honor.
Miss Ion	Posted - 2006.11.25 16:26:00 - [77] Edited by: Miss Ion on 25/11/2006 16:27:24
Nachshon Caldari Tyrfing Securities	Posted - 2006.11.29 18:18:00 - [78] I just had a real funny question: Only two organizations know the identity of VETO's client: the client, and VETO. However, could an organization (ie, the Federal Navy) set up a contract with VETO to destroy VETO's former client, without knowing the client's identity? That would actually be a clever way to retaliate against VETO's client - pay VETO to kill them, then check up on who VETO attacks.
Verone Veto.	Posted - 2006.11.30 07:30:00 - [79] Originally by: Nachshon I just had a real funny question: Only two organizations know the identity of VETO's client: the client, and VETO. However, could an organization (ie, the Federal Navy) set up a contract with VETO to destroy VETO's former client, without knowing the client's identity? That would actually be a clever way to retaliate against VETO's client - pay VETO to kill them, then check up on who VETO attacks. No. We require our targets to be specifically named, and their identity confirmed by the client. VETO FOR HIRE


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