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Verone
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.11.08 15:40:00 -
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Announcement
Several paramilitary entities have expressed concern, or indeed glee over our response to the Federation Navy aid convoy which tresspassed into the Caldari Border Zone last night. In all cases there was also a sense of confusion as to why a completely unrelated enitity would engage in such hostility.
This announcement is designed to clear up any shrouded reasoning behind the actions of Veto inside Kassigainen yesterday evening.
Due to the confidentiality clause in our Contracting Charter, I am unable to reveal specific detailing, however there are several points I am able to make clear.
Veto were contacted regarding, and subsequently accepted a contract of employment to destroy the Federation Navy convoy.
The client wishes to remain fully anonymous, this is how it will stay.
The contract was a complete success, and our client was so impressed they felt inclined to pay a substanital bonus for an effective strike at the heart of the Federation.
We accept full responsibility for any deaths or injuries during, and resulting from the destruction of the Federation Navy Convoy.
Veto will remain neutral to all entities involved, and any paramilitary entities concerned for our own benefit.
This is to ensure that if offered, we can fulfil any contract to the best of our abilities without prejudice or second thought.
No Convention, Treaty, Law or Non-Agression Pact rules the Veto family.
Our bottom line, and the depth of a client's pockets is all that matters.
Ethan Verone Chief Executive Veto
WWW.VETO-CORP.COM
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Milera
Gallente Elite United Corp Antigo Dominion
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Posted - 2006.11.08 16:44:00 -
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Ah, so it appears that there are still those who do not cloak their ambition to kill in meaningless terms such as "Freedom," "Honor," "Duty," and "Liberty." I salute such a valuable addition to our world. Good work VETO, good work.
May you serve well in the dance of combat, and enjoy fully the war that is to come. I drink to your fortune. ------------------------------------------------- War, the ultimate test of skill. The ultimate pleasure. The ultimate pain. My EVE blog: http://lifeneweden.blogspot.com/ |
Beletre
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.08 16:49:00 -
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While I can't say I'm fond of the results, I can respect the bottom line behind them.
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Horatio Nately
Finis Lumen Muffins of Mayhem
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Posted - 2006.11.08 17:21:00 -
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Well done. Someone needed to stop the power play. ---------------------------------------
What Alt?
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Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2006.11.08 17:54:00 -
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Excellent. I knew Veto would bring more professionalism to the merc trade.
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Faraelle Brightman
Gallente Placid Reborn Placid Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.08 18:04:00 -
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Didn't know before that it was a thugs-for-hire contract. This makes things all the more complicated; Veto didn't have an ulterior motive but someone else did.
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Sam Nitram
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Posted - 2006.11.08 18:26:00 -
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Yes but who would benifit most ? everybody will think one way but i wonder
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Bagehi
Caldari BFG Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.08 19:06:00 -
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I don't know who would issue a contract for an attack like that. Loyalist forces from either side benefit from this further step towards war. I do know, however, that many people did benefit from looting the wreckage.
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Lilani Kuzma
Gallente Brass Monkeys Society The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2006.11.08 20:32:00 -
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U choose to start swomething u will have no control on..... watch ur back!
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Louis DelaBlanche
Cosmic Odyssey Chorus of Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.08 21:50:00 -
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While you may have been simply following the terms of your contract. I hope that both the Federation & State shall declare all pilots, present & future, shall be declared outlaws in both empires space & barred access to all stations & other assets of them.
Merely claiming that you were just fulfilling the duties to your contractor doesnt make your act any less heanous. Neither does it mean your punishment should be any less then what is due.
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Taes Valkiir
Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2006.11.08 22:24:00 -
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For once someone has simply told it like it is. Honesty, even that of a cold and cutting kind, is something hard to come by in this 'verse.
I echo Kyoko's words, and add only this -- you have my respect, which is not something easily nor lightly given.
[see you in the sky.]
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Radix Salvilines
Virtual Democracy Intergalactic Freelance Corporations
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Posted - 2006.11.08 23:08:00 -
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Edited by: Radix Salvilines on 08/11/2006 23:15:53 Veto corporation just went into my black list.
How can someone pick a contract to kill innocent peoples that were willing to help those dying poor K IV dwellers??
This is outrageous and I will make everything I can to support Federation in this case. Our President made a great gesture and YOU just made a BIG enemy.
If there is anything capsuleers can do to help mr. President my corporation is at your service.
And if someone is calling Home Guard a "police" force then i want to meet him on the field. This is just unacceptable. Even if there were soldiers on this freighter it should be dealt with using diplomatic channels first. And Home Guard should react if this convoy was attacked.
Is this how Caldari State works? Very nice. Let someone out from Federation's just hand and they will degrade into ruthless barbarians. Maby if it's not the Amarrians that camed from the "south" there would be still a civilized space. No matter. Some steps must be taken. The Federation must put stop into this. Caldaris can't obvously keep their homes clean on their own.
Radix Salvilines CEO of Virtual Democracy
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Sfaxtis
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Posted - 2006.11.08 23:16:00 -
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Federal marines eh? i am sure they were there to help
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Mi Lai
Sanguine Legion Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.08 23:24:00 -
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Quote: No Convention, Treaty, Law or Non-Agression Pact rules the Veto family
Glad to see this still holds, even though your new profession requires you to pay lip service to the Concord Charter.
Congratulations on a job well done.
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Terikk
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Posted - 2006.11.09 00:38:00 -
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Is VETO an NPC corp or an actual alliance?
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Morn Judith
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.09 02:41:00 -
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Originally by: Radix Salvilines Edited by: Radix Salvilines on 08/11/2006 23:15:53 Veto corporation just went into my black list.
How can someone pick a contract to kill innocent peoples that were willing to help those dying poor K IV dwellers??
This is outrageous and I will make everything I can to support Federation in this case. Our President made a great gesture and YOU just made a BIG enemy.
If there is anything capsuleers can do to help mr. President my corporation is at your service.
And if someone is calling Home Guard a "police" force then i want to meet him on the field. This is just unacceptable. Even if there were soldiers on this freighter it should be dealt with using diplomatic channels first. And Home Guard should react if this convoy was attacked.
Is this how Caldari State works? Very nice. Let someone out from Federation's just hand and they will degrade into ruthless barbarians. Maby if it's not the Amarrians that camed from the "south" there would be still a civilized space. No matter. Some steps must be taken. The Federation must put stop into this. Caldaris can't obvously keep their homes clean on their own.
Radix Salvilines CEO of Virtual Democracy
Innocent people? Willing to help? How blinded are you? Has your ignorance and dilusion gone so far that you can't see what the Federation was actually doing? Since when are 500 Marines needed for a humanitarian convoy?
You must understand that Veto.'s employeer did exactly what should have been done, and Veto. executed that brilliantly.
I will be keeping an eye out for any more attempts by the Federation to bring "aid" to any of my fellow citizens. The State is more than capable of providing relief for it's people, and will do so when it deems appropriate for whatever reasons are unknown to us.
Now, Gallente scum, stay out of our affairs.
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Steph Wing
Gallente Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2006.11.09 03:47:00 -
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Edited by: Steph Wing on 09/11/2006 03:48:24 Edited by: Steph Wing on 09/11/2006 03:47:40
Originally by: Morn Judith Since when are 500 Marines needed for a humanitarian convoy?
As I pointed out elsewhere, Federation marines are not an uncommon sight on Federation Navy vessels. --- "I am a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar." |
Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.11.09 03:54:00 -
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Originally by: Morn Judith
Innocent people? Willing to help? How blinded are you? Has your ignorance and dilusion gone so far that you can't see what the Federation was actually doing? Since when are 500 Marines needed for a humanitarian convoy?
To be honest, 500 marines is hardly a sizable invasion force, and most humanitarian efforts tend to bring along armed personel in order to protect the lives of aid workers and ensure a fair distribution of goods. Still. This business is Caldari business, not the business of the Gallente state and if the Gallente state wanted to help they would at least direct those aid resources through a more neutral third party, not send armed vessels into Caldari space.
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Devilish Ledoux
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.11.09 04:16:00 -
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Originally by: Steph Wing Edited by: Steph Wing on 09/11/2006 03:48:24 Edited by: Steph Wing on 09/11/2006 03:47:40
Originally by: Morn Judith Since when are 500 Marines needed for a humanitarian convoy?
As I pointed out elsewhere, Federation marines are not an uncommon sight on Federation Navy vessels.
Of course, they are an uncommon sight in Caldari space. _
The Billionaire Buccaneer (Now with 50% more Roleplay!) |
TanMcSlick
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Posted - 2006.11.09 05:27:00 -
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I fail to see the problem there has never been a peace treaty between the Gallente and us, they know our terms but refuse them.
Even so had they asked through proper channels this would not have happened this is a put up job, probably looking for another excuse for a massacre seems to the federation way.
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Nick Parker
Caldari Rogue Elements
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Posted - 2006.11.09 06:14:00 -
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Cheers to Veto, for executing their contract and helping defend the states borders. The real scum here is the Gallente admiral or bureaucrat that ordered a Gallent fleet into Caldari space. What do the Gallente think that us Caldari are incapable of helping ourselves? If the state wants help, it will ask for it. If the situations had been reversed, and the Executive Panel had sent aid to somewhere in Gallente space without requesting and recieving autorization, I'm sure the Gallente would be bombing Jita as I write this. I am ashamed of HG's security forces, sitting idly by while those who are defending the state were being attacked. I Hope the OIC for HG is repremanded harshly.
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Murukan
Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.11.09 07:05:00 -
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Why the need for the contract? You should of killed them just for being near you. Killing needs no justification.
Manlove by Zaphod Jones
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Jack Quadros
Caldari Caldari Navy Support
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Posted - 2006.11.09 08:17:00 -
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I hope your corporation's prepared to deal with any retaliatory act that the Federation Navy may choose to commit. Granted, the Gallente may be seen in the eyes of the Caldari Navy as a potentially dangerous threat to the State, but unwarranted acts of aggression and destruction against non-combatant convoys - even if they do carry Marines as a means of protecting the cargo while in-station - are not seen as justifiable in the least.
Be more careful in the future, for if you keep going with this, you'll end up with far too many unwanted enemies.
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Izo Azlion
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.11.09 09:19:00 -
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Originally by: Terikk Is VETO an NPC corp or an actual alliance?
We're a very real threat, for the right price.
Izo Azlion.
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Goomay Berak
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2006.11.09 09:20:00 -
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While I may not agree with yout actions, I've always had respect for the professionalism Veto have always shown in all operations
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Horza Kendrick
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.09 09:38:00 -
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Veto are state sponsored criminals. Confidentiality my ear!! A convenient tool of the Caldari state, for as long as they are useful I'm sure.
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Draaken
Caldari hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.11.09 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel To be honest, 500 marines is hardly a sizable invasion force (...)
When we're talking a station with only 1700 odd inhabitants before the riots started and suggested number of over 250 dead, bringing 500 trained soldiers to a civilian installation is quite a nice force to take over, so stop talking it down.
Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel (...)and most humanitarian efforts tend to bring along armed personel in order to protect the lives of aid workers and ensure a fair distribution of goods. Still. This business is Caldari business, not the business of the Gallente state and if the Gallente state wanted to help they would at least direct those aid resources through a more neutral third party, not send armed vessels into Caldari space.
Very much so. The CEP even directly gave word to the Federation to not enter State space, good intentions or not. How much clearer can it be?
Although I don't particularly like the death following VETO's trail, I can very well understand why Home Guard kept the Federation Freighter from moving to its destination, and they had every legal right to do so. ____________________ first!!1!! -Capsicum
Originally by: Wrangler I lock, therefor I am.
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Draaken
Caldari hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.11.09 09:46:00 -
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Originally by: Horza Kendrick Veto are state sponsored criminals. Confidentiality my ear!! A convenient tool of the Caldari state, for as long as they are useful I'm sure.
I'm sure you'll be happy to disclose the contractor's name then, seeing how you are obviously so well informed about VETO's allegiance to the State. Or maybe you stop trying to spout your blatant lies, learn to read and accept that being mercenaries, they work for whoever pays them. Ignoramus. ____________________ first!!1!! -Capsicum
Originally by: Wrangler I lock, therefor I am.
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Horza Kendrick
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.09 10:09:00 -
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Quote: Ignoramus
No, and I'm sure you're not as incapable of reason as you would have us believe.
This was inevitable from the moment the aid convoy was proposed. I'm sure my own government is no less culpable in this sorry exercise of sacrificial politics. Did anyone believe for one minute that the aid would get to those it was intended to help? The crew of that convoy were dead when they undocked.
If I had the details of how the deal was done I would already be dead myself. "Oooh the pie rats did it" is hardly the most clever and convincing cover I have ever seen but it at least can't be entirely pinned down as an act of state v state aggression. How many more pawns will be sacrificed before either regime gets down to the obvious point?
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Draaken
Caldari hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.11.09 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Horza Kendrick This was inevitable from the moment the aid convoy was proposed.
And that's where you're wrong. I welcome the notion that the Federation would like to support the State, I really do, and I'm quite sure so do many other citizens of the State. What fails my comprehension entirely is why the Federation would attempt to ignore a clear refusal of their offered help and proceed to violate sovereign State space by entering it with a Federation Navy vessel, one that holds a contingent of marines easily perceived as a threat to the civilian population at that. Simple rules of de-escalation dictate retreat into neutral or Federation space if intentions truly are peaceful, yet the Navy commander in charge apparently refused to just that and wait for his clearance. That is what signed the death warrant of all involved Federation personell onboard the supposed "relief convoy". It is entirely the fault of the commander in charge, or his superiors if they ordered him to stay; ultimately, it is President Foiritain's fault, for not accepting State sovereignty.
On another note, I still fail to see how you immediately draw a picture in which VETO was somehow hired by State citizens. Personally, the swift response by the Federation along with the swift destruction of the convoy by hired VETO forces stink of double-bluff, even more so considering the Federation's past ... 'problems' ... with solving their own crisis. The response times to what happened on Reschard come to mind... ____________________ first!!1!! -Capsicum
Originally by: Wrangler I lock, therefor I am.
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Horza Kendrick
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.09 11:51:00 -
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You think the Navy commander on the ground acted on his own initiative and sat there waiting for death? He had more than enough time to refer to his superiors even if his orders lacked any clarity on the situation he faced.
I didn't imediatly anything. I (and it seems many others Gallente and Caldari alike) fully expected the convoy to be attacked, it was of only passing interest who would fire the weapons and loot the cans. I doubt Foiritan or what ever civil servant you propose pulled the double bluff would be stupid enough to use a Gallente headed corp to do the dirty but I could be wrong. The situation could as easily have been defused by the Caldari involved proposing a suitable way to accept the aid.
I know we could all sit here and armchair command what we would have done given the situation but what I am saying is the situation was never real. The Gallente Navy must have known the convoy would be stopped by force. The Chief Executive Panel must have known they would come anyway. The outcome was inevitable, the reason was to increase the tension between our respective races, the instigators are almost irrelevant. I have no desire to see a bloody war between the Gallente and the Caldari. I have the sickening feeling it's unavoidable.
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Asmodeos
Gallente United Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.09 12:37:00 -
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Quote: Move in a small way that you opponent can not help but block so as to unbalance his efforts elsewhere.
Scenario 1 Start a uprising Send in a ôpeacekeepingö force Contract with a company known for its diligence in secrecy Have said company kill your own peace keeping force Paint your enemy with the brush of aggressive barbarism Gain popular support for future actions
Scenario 2 Notice an uprising Send a peacekeeping force Someone who stands to profit from war contracts a company known for its diligence in secrecy Watch as war ensues and profit
Scenario 3 An uprising happens A ôpeacekeepingö force is sent in by your (once?) enemy into your sovereignty Overreact to ôaggressionö you see in your sovereign space Deal with the consequences of war.
First: hearing this from someone without an objective view and whom is named Ugly Brute is laughable at best.
Second: For all Caldari, It could well be that kaalakiota themselves payed Veto to do their dirty work and instructed their own police forces not to act. But its all just still speculation, and what we should ask ourselves do we really want a new war because if these aggressions continue, one side or the other will eventually have enough. And in a war it wont just be a question of millions of casualties then, but billions on both sides and many other attrocities might occur as well. In my opinion it would be best for now that some diplomatic envoys from both sides would start talking so that future problems might not occur or be handled more efficiently.
Third: Both sides have to take blame in this happening, gallente for just tresspassing without proper clearance even though their goal was noble. And Kaalakiota for just standing by and letting this happen because it was a well intentioned shipment for one of their stations that was in severe disarray. And when your population is suffering why reject medical shipments it even doesnt have anything to do with solving problems on your own, you can still do that even tho you accepted some relieve for your populace.
Greetings Asmodeos.
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Nikla Uthaan
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.09 13:47:00 -
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I bear a message from one who holds large concern for these events, who at present wishes to remain anonymous.
Whilst the sides 'officially' involved in this may pander to politicking their way about a 'peaceful' resolution, the people of the Caldari State will see this for what it is. 500 Federation Navy soldiers entering Caldari Space under the neutral banner of an 'Aid Mission' is an act of espionage and a direct act of aggression against the Caldari State.
While the powers that be may be loathe to act for fear of reprisal, the Gallente Federation should consider itself under threat from those who see this situation for what it is.
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Verone
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.11.09 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Quadros I hope your corporation's prepared to deal with any retaliatory act that the Federation Navy may choose to commit. Granted, the Gallente may be seen in the eyes of the Caldari Navy as a potentially dangerous threat to the State, but unwarranted acts of aggression and destruction against non-combatant convoys - even if they do carry Marines as a means of protecting the cargo while in-station - are not seen as justifiable in the least.
Be more careful in the future, for if you keep going with this, you'll end up with far too many unwanted enemies.
I would hardly call two FULLY ARMED Federation Navy Issue Megathron classes, with support and a Freighter carrying troops "non-combatant".
Regardless, we were paid to do a job Mr Quadros and we completed it sucessfully.
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Lord Dae
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Posted - 2006.11.09 15:42:00 -
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i am 1 to think that a Caldari 'faction' hired Veto, so they could get heir current government involved deeper in a war way . Money will be made during that war .. and maybe a change of Caldari power ... who knows .. |
Roy Gordon
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Posted - 2006.11.09 15:58:00 -
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I roundly applaud VETO’s actions because, if viewed in a different light, they probably prevented an even greater tragedy from occuring. Let us think upon this scenario- What if the ‘aid convoy’ was transporting marines and arms to be used to support the malcontents on Kassigainen? What if the ship had managed to reach it’s intended destination and disgorged it’s cargo intact? What kind of response do you think the State would have given in this event? What kind of response do you think the Gallente would have given in return? How many million’s would have died as a result?
That which does not kill us makes us stronger. The Universe is ruled by three basic principles- Matter, Energy and Enlightened Self-Interest! |
Maldon Perriera
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Posted - 2006.11.09 16:30:00 -
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This event shows what is wrong with both mercs and the caldari state both who care about one thing and one thing only. The all-mighty ISK. Why are the people at the station malcontent? Because they are not free, they are slaves of a government ruled by a corporation that cares nothing for them at all. Does no one else find it objectionable that the corporation has it's own PRIVATE police force? Who then is looking out for the rights of the employess? I will tell you who no one! They are rioting for working conditions that are reasonable but the state doesn't want any medical supplies or food to get through why? They want them to starve and die so they have to come crawling back to the corporation and work for scraps. The caldari state is no better than the ammar as this incident goes to prove.
Veto you have made an enemy and I hope an enemy of any corp I join in the future.
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Faraelle Brightman
Gallente Placid Reborn Placid Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.09 16:51:00 -
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Edited by: Faraelle Brightman on 09/11/2006 16:56:39 So many people seems to assume that it was a Caldiarian interest that hired Veto, but for all we know it could have been a Gallentian. I don't want to sound like a conspiricy theorist, but it's not like Foirtian doesn't have enemies...
Remember that his "official" foriegn policy, even before he got lazy and complacent, has been open borders and free trade.
And I doubt two ships and 500 marines is a sofficent combat force unless they were planing on a suicide mission; the Caldari Navy could probably field many times that in a few hours if something happened.
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Myndpyre Ryche
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.09 16:57:00 -
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In other words, regardless if the 500 marines were found or not, that convoy was getting attacked. Excellent. The Federation needs to understand it is not wanted, not requested, not needed, and not welcome in Caldari Space.
I will be making travel arrangements shortly to the Caldari Border Zone to check out the situation personally.
Even though I know you were not politically motivated, excellent job Veto.
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Kalixa Hihro
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Posted - 2006.11.09 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Sfaxtis Federal marines eh? i am sure they were there to help
Originally by: Steph Wing Edited by: Steph Wing on 09/11/2006 03:48:24 Edited by: Steph Wing on 09/11/2006 03:47:40
Originally by: Morn Judith Since when are 500 Marines needed for a humanitarian convoy?
As I pointed out elsewhere, Federation marines are not an uncommon sight on Federation Navy vessels.
They are also not necessary to crew a freighter full of humanitarian aid.
Why were they there? Federation navy vessels have a crew, marines are not necessary unless they are on a mission or being transported for something.
Since they were not announced up front as being part of the aid force, my guess is the mission was clandestine in nature and there is a Caldari spy in the federation who found out about it. I am sure that a Federation Deployment of marines in a Caldari station would not be welcomed, as we can all see ; )
Perhaps Foirtraine is not the good natured humanitarian we all think he is...
Only Veto knows for sure and they are bound by a confidentiality agreement.
Hmmm I wonder what the price is for that information... I am sure it is beyond my wallet.
-Kal /*----------------------------------------------------------------------------------*/ My opinion in no way represents that of my corp or anyone I am associated with, and is probably entirely wrong. |
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Verone
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.11.09 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Kalixa Hihro
Perhaps Foirtraine is not the good natured humanitarian we all think he is...
Only Veto knows for sure and they are bound by a confidentiality agreement.
Hmmm I wonder what the price is for that information... I am sure it is beyond my wallet.
The first line made me chuckle, politicians should never be trusted, the last thing they are is "humaine".
The second line, is correct.
The third line is pointless, no amount of ISK could break the word of our corporation.
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Oreh Anavrin
No Quarter. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.09 21:33:00 -
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Good work. Humanitarian mission with freighters full of marines my @$$! ________________________________________
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Steph Wing
Gallente Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2006.11.09 22:33:00 -
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Edited by: Steph Wing on 09/11/2006 22:34:20
Originally by: Kalixa Hihro Why were they there? Federation navy vessels have a crew, marines are not necessary unless they are on a mission or being transported for something.
As I said, it's standard procedure for Navy vessels to carry a compliment of marines on any voyage. It's a security measure, like keeping a core stabilizer just in case someone tries to scramble your warp drive out in the fringes. After shielding and engines lose power, Marines are a ship's primary defense against boarding actions. --- "I am a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar." |
Auele
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Posted - 2006.11.09 23:04:00 -
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I would like to congratulate Veto for their successful operation. It is not hard to see their point because they are just fulfilling the terms of their contract.Moreover, no one can deny that it is their job as hired mercenaries. However, it does not necessarily mean that it is right. Annihilating a humanitarian convoy is not just outwardly wrong but repulsive.
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Steph Wing
Gallente Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2006.11.09 23:14:00 -
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Indeed. No one here should be holding a grudge against Veto simply for doing their job. They are effectively tools to accomplish an end. Hostility should be directed against their mysterious contractors, but unfortunately we don't know who they are. --- "I am a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar." |
Gustovness
Privateers
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Posted - 2006.11.10 01:32:00 -
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Originally by: Asmodeos Third: Both sides have to take blame in this happening, gallente for just tresspassing without proper clearance even though their goal was noble. And Kaalakiota for just standing by and letting this happen because it was a well intentioned shipment for one of their stations that was in severe disarray. And when your population is suffering why reject medical shipments it even doesnt have anything to do with solving problems on your own, you can still do that even tho you accepted some relieve for your populace.
Greetings Asmodeos.
And who the hell are you to decide what's in the best interest of our citizens? I'm sure this whole situation looked a lot easier when it was YOUR military with the weapons going into that station.
You Gallente don't make decisions for us anymore. WE decide what we should do and WE will decide what "good intentions" are. Or do we need another war to remind you of that?
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Nachshon
Caldari Tyrfing Securities
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Posted - 2006.11.10 05:13:00 -
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I, for one, have no love for Veto. During their time as a pirate corporation Veto waged an undeclared war against Tyrfing Securities, ultimately expelling us from our former headquarters in Resbroko (which we now avoid like the plague). It seems to me that Veto has merely engaged in piracy on behalf of others rather than on their own initiative. Would Veto be willing to accept a contract to destroy the mercenary corporation known as Veto?
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Takanohana
Deep Space Explorers
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Posted - 2006.11.10 06:56:00 -
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Quote: Indeed. No one here should be holding a grudge against Veto simply for doing their job. They are effectively tools to accomplish an end. Hostility should be directed against their mysterious contractors, but unfortunately we don't know who they are.
This is an interesting statement. You're saying that if someone kills your family and friends you will have no bad will towards the murderers as long as they were paid by someone else to perform the task ?
I will just note that I disagree.
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Vactet
Immortalis Silens Atrocitas
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Posted - 2006.11.10 11:28:00 -
[49]
Blah blah blah. VETO, verone, good job guys. Not cause of all the caldari v. gallentee bull, but cause you had a contract and you carried it out. And rather quickly from what i heard. So again, good job. Oh and dont let all the whinny prepubescent kiddies get ya down.
Just a note: Pirates, Mercs, and Industrialists are all the SAME. They are all capitalists. So get OVER it.
Sometimes the world needs to be kicked in the face to stop drooling on itself like an ignorant child. ::Public Relations Director for Immortalis Silens. ::Im paid to talk, not to be civil. |
Verone
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.11.10 15:03:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Nachshon I, for one, have no love for Veto. During their time as a pirate corporation Veto waged an undeclared war against Tyrfing Securities, ultimately expelling us from our former headquarters in Resbroko (which we now avoid like the plague). It seems to me that Veto has merely engaged in piracy on behalf of others rather than on their own initiative. Would Veto be willing to accept a contract to destroy the mercenary corporation known as Veto?
We did?
Bizzarely enough I do not recollect your name, or your corporation's name. As well as that I see no record of contact between our two corps on our corporate mainframe. It would appear if anything that you were simply cought in the crossfire of another conflict.
I beleive you have the wrong corp. As for the contract request, it made me chuckle.
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EvilNate
Caldari Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.10 16:49:00 -
[51]
Good to see the Gallente boys getting what they deserve for their treacherous behaviour.
Will be interesting to see what will happen from this point and what, if any, business can be generated from it, there should be some pretty depressed inviduals that might need a little "pick me up" to face the times ahead.
Nate.
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Phoenix Lonestar
Litanies of Hate
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Posted - 2006.11.10 19:09:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Phoenix Lonestar on 10/11/2006 19:11:05 Leave it to those Gallente cowards to hide behind their mini-invasion fleet behind the transparent veil of philanthropy. Must I remind you that 500 marines being sent into a colony of 1500 people is 33% of the existing population? Even to provide security the aid workers, surely the amount that was preparing to land is by any reasonable measure excessive?
Adding further insult, they then send armed Federation Navy warships (ships of WAR) into sovereign territory and scream to every ear that will listen that their overtures of friendship and kindness were cruelly rejected by the state. Mr. Foiritan, you cannot expect to ignore the Caldari State's request that you do not send vessels into our space and also expect the State to ignore your intransigence. You sentenced those navy personnel and the pilots of the "relief" vessels to death immediately upon signing their travel orders. Their blood is on your hands, not ours, Veto's, or your agents that paid Veto to initiate this tragedy. I must say, however, that I don't mind your methods... destroying Federation ships is always looked kindly upon by myself and my brethren.
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Mighty Baz
HUSARIA
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Posted - 2006.11.11 07:33:00 -
[53]
'With time, and true faith in God,' a friend of mine would say. Nobody knows what judgement of God is ...
Grand Master Mighty Baz Corporation based on legendary XVI century Polish winged calvary with Mason's mysticysm, covered by LTgion +trangFre rulez |
Sudoku Acer
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Posted - 2006.11.11 11:43:00 -
[54]
Edited by: Sudoku Acer on 11/11/2006 11:46:01 Since I¦m quite new in this job, i don¦t understand what the fuzz is about:
- An uninvited convoy was destroyed (help or not)
- VETO accepts the responsibility (whether or not - they did it and they will stand up for it (if anyone is able to make them pay)...but it¦s a nice gesture anyway)
- You¦ve worked out some nice scenarios..but one is still missing: would there be a better occasion than this one to make some reputation and get a lot of loot, attacking a convoy and saying: "someone paid me for it"? - You did bring some freighters along, didn¦t you?
- As long as the caldary don¦t give a statement what they think and what they will do about it, it¦s just guessing around.
- Nice job done, Veto whatever your motivation might be...and your style is quite impressing...
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Ugly Brute
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.11 14:36:00 -
[55]
Edited by: Ugly Brute on 11/11/2006 15:00:20
Originally by: Asmodeos
First: hearing this from someone without an objective view and whom is named Ugly Brute is laughable at best.
nice rebuttal your logic is impeccable...
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Steph Wing
Gallente Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2006.11.11 22:41:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Takanohana This is an interesting statement. You're saying that if someone kills your family and friends you will have no bad will towards the murderers as long as they were paid by someone else to perform the task ?
I will just note that I disagree.
If the "murderers" were professional hitmen, then yes, according to my logic I would hold no animosity towards them. Mercenaries do not kill simply to kill; they are soldiers for hire and kill because it is their job and someone pays them to. Are they blameless? Not entirely. Are they responsible for the destruction of the convoy? Not exactly.
The true culprit is the party that paid them. Had they not contracted Veto, Veto would not have destroyed the convoy. That is the difference between a simple killer and a mercenary. --- "I am a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar." |
Brujo Loco
Amarr Brujeria Teologica
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Posted - 2006.11.12 18:34:00 -
[57]
As an Amarrian Ultra-Orthodox Nationalist, I look at these incident with these thoughts:
No self respecting entity, no matter how weak or strong will accept unasked for help
This same entity, has a sovereign right to defend itself from any unwanted incursion on its sphere of influence
The use of mercenary labor, while it has its drawbacks, its "a means to an end" that I respect
The fact the loss of life was staggering is trivial to the outcome, soldiers and warships are lost everyday on all borders, and this is just another sign of the endless struggle we endure everyday
Politically, on the other hand, this small skirmish, can have several repercussions, but that is beyond the point of the act itself.
Still, I dont understand why the Caldari dont deal with riots the same way we Amarrians do ... Its efficient and fast, there will always be more slaves willing to work for the pleasure of serving us. Its a known fact we have our very own methods of detecting riots and troublemakers before they happen, and quelling them before they even begin to start.
Perhaps the Caldari are, at this point, emulating our very own methods?
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Myndpyre Ryche
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 02:56:00 -
[58]
What most peeps fail to realize is that the laws that run Veto are the same laws that run the State. . . business and contract laws.
Just as Veto will not release additional information, because they know and realize that it is part of their contact that they do not, those on the border zone, and in this situation will refuse to speak as well.
To do so, and they are in violation of their contact, and can be removed. I hope I need not remind anyone here the value of a Caldari citizen who has violated labor laws and still resides within the State?
I would become involved in this situation more, but I have no contact, and therefore, have no rights within the state at this time.
Good luck.
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Terraz Breek
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Posted - 2006.11.13 12:51:00 -
[59]
well handled Veto, well handled
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Zakthar Kadaj
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Posted - 2006.11.13 14:03:00 -
[60]
This is an odd matter, as it is a blame game. The Caldari will blame the gallente for entering caldari space with marines. The gallente will blame the caldari, for not accepting it as a helping mission. The fact of the matter is, veto attacked what appeared to be a humanitarian mission, and i do not agree with it. I do however, respect the efficiency with which the contract was executed. Sorry VETO, but Kernowtek does not condone your attack on humanitarian aid.
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Verone
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.11.14 21:37:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Zakthar Kadaj This is an odd matter, as it is a blame game. The Caldari will blame the gallente for entering caldari space with marines. The gallente will blame the caldari, for not accepting it as a helping mission. The fact of the matter is, veto attacked what appeared to be a humanitarian mission, and i do not agree with it. I do however, respect the efficiency with which the contract was executed. Sorry VETO, but Kernowtek does not condone your attack on humanitarian aid.
A humanitarian mission does not waltz into someone else's space, fully armed and carrying a consignment of 500 armed and battle ready marines, uninvited after numerous warning not to breach the border.
The two sovreign states can go ahead and blame eachother for what happened, it's not our problem. We were paid to do a job, we completed it.
If the State or Federation have a problem with this, they can feel free to have a diplomatic representative contact me to voice their concerns for our actions.
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Enotz
Terminus Est Incorporated
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Posted - 2006.11.14 21:49:00 -
[62]
Personally i'll see if the Federation makes any more attempts to "invade" before I judge.
Out of curiousity, Veto corp, how much were you paid for this strike? And how much do your services usually go for?
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Verone
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.11.14 22:36:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Enotz Out of curiousity, Veto corp, how much were you paid for this strike? And how much do your services usually go for?
How much we were paid will remain unstated, as per our client confidentially clause.
I will say it was a generous contract, attacking the Federation Navy under the "watchful" eye of CONCORD is never a wise thing.
As for contracting, our price varies from client to client depending on the requirements of each individual contract.
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Plan Neun
Caldari Ganja Unlimited Serenity Fallen
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Posted - 2006.11.15 11:09:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Verone
Originally by: Zakthar Kadaj This is an odd matter, as it is a blame game. The Caldari will blame the gallente for entering caldari space with marines. The gallente will blame the caldari, for not accepting it as a helping mission. The fact of the matter is, veto attacked what appeared to be a humanitarian mission, and i do not agree with it. I do however, respect the efficiency with which the contract was executed. Sorry VETO, but Kernowtek does not condone your attack on humanitarian aid.
A humanitarian mission does not waltz into someone else's space, fully armed and carrying a consignment of 500 armed and battle ready marines, uninvited after numerous warning not to breach the border.
The two sovreign states can go ahead and blame eachother for what happened, it's not our problem. We were paid to do a job, we completed it.
If the State or Federation have a problem with this, they can feel free to have a diplomatic representative contact me to voice their concerns for our actions.
Respect and congratulations with a job well done to Verone and Veto on this operation.
Thanks
CEO
"I Will Drug You and Fluff You, through the permafrost"
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Nachshon
Caldari Tyrfing Securities
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Posted - 2006.11.16 01:00:00 -
[65]
Edited by: Nachshon on 16/11/2006 01:02:04 Verone, I just did some research on your corporation. Your corporation seems to be the same one that launched pirate attacks on us. However, a further search finds that the specific Veto pirate that attacked us is no longer flying. His name was Mao Zedong, or some corruption thereof. Do you remember him at all?
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MellaRinn
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.11.16 02:48:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Nachshon Edited by: Nachshon on 16/11/2006 01:02:04 Verone, I just did some research on your corporation. Your corporation seems to be the same one that launched pirate attacks on us. However, a further search finds that the specific Veto pirate that attacked us is no longer flying. His name was Mao Zedong, or some corruption thereof. Do you remember him at all?
Mao Tsetung is currently within our roster. We have taken a break from low-security system piracy and are now pursuing a mercenary career. Open for contracts any time...
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Verone
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.11.16 15:52:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Nachshon Edited by: Nachshon on 16/11/2006 01:02:04 Verone, I just did some research on your corporation. Your corporation seems to be the same one that launched pirate attacks on us. However, a further search finds that the specific Veto pirate that attacked us is no longer flying. His name was Mao Zedong, or some corruption thereof. Do you remember him at all?
He is still on our roster, and goes by the name of Mao TseTung. He is also a valued and loyal pilot.
Such claims of hostility seem bizzare, as I still cannot see a single registered encounter anywhere in our corporate records even after searching extensively for the name of your corporation.
Interesting.
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Davlos
Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2006.11.17 02:19:00 -
[68]
I have been watching the Veto Family's actions for a while, Verone. Most interesting indeed.
Best of luck to your contract, good sir. ---------------
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Feng Schui
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2006.11.19 22:55:00 -
[69]
Perhaps someone within Veto's ranks has his or her own agenda?
And, how much, on a rough estimated scale, would Veto charge for the slaughter of an individual 5 times be? Of course, proof of the slaughter would need to be confirmed... as in... 5 corpses that I can hang on the wall of my latrine?
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Mik Nostrebor
Minmatar ORKS
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Posted - 2006.11.22 01:00:00 -
[70]
Well,
There are a few points glossed over here.
1. Caldari are hardly innocent of sending war vessels into foreign space uninvited. I myself had a mission from Republic Fleet to investigate missing ships and raided colonies. Upon deeper investigation I discovered that Amarr slavers had been raiding Minmatar installations and taking all peoples. Following the trail, lo and behold there were Caldari NAVY vessels in support who attacked ME in MINMATAR HIGH SECURITY SPACE not 3 jumps from the capital!
2. The Home Guard had the matter in hand. The convoy, illegal or not, had been stopped in it's tracks and was engaging in diplomatic discourse when the attack by a 3rd party mercenary force ocurred. This attack is an unprovoked attack by a civillian force in Caldari space. If the Caldari government does not take action against this mercenary force the message is clear: Caldari state is not competent nor willing to protect it's own sovereignty is accepting it's own inability to govern. It is a clear admission of incompetance and the Caldari mega-corporations should take action to protect their own assets by replacing this incapable and dangerously lacking government. I imagine Kaalakiota Corporation is at this very moment hiring mercenry forces to bolster it's own defences. After all, it was lucky the Veto contract did not go further and have their 'home guard' and station destroyed as well....?!?
3. Another highly suspiscious event is that ALL of the Gallente ships were destroyed. How come none of them got away? There is not even a report of an escape pod making it out. There must have been some sabotage in the offing for a total loss. Has anyone thought of that.
It appears that this event was highly engineered and that the Caldari government was completely unaware of this incident before it happened. The fact that they have not outlawed Veto nor even slapped their wrists inmplies that the contractor has power over the government as well. They have lost face and demostrated their total powerlessness in this issue. Something that is extrememly scary of itself considering how the Caldari Navy has never been backward in coming forward. What would be big enough to shut them up and make them hide in the corner over an event in their own sovereign space!
And to add fuel to the fire, it was the Gallente government who offered the insult of an aid mission, implying the Caldari Government's inability to control it's own affairs. Obviously the Gallente point was correct. The Caldari State CANNOT manage it's own affairs! And if the State can't who will? Mercenary corporations?
Mik, A neutral Minmatari citizen.
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Nachshon
Caldari Tyrfing Securities
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Posted - 2006.11.22 03:00:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Verone He is still on our roster, and goes by the name of Mao TseTung. He is also a valued and loyal pilot.
Such claims of hostility seem bizzare, as I still cannot see a single registered encounter anywhere in our corporate records even after searching extensively for the name of your corporation.
Interesting.
Very interesting, especially given that my CEO, Piuro (who will be retiring soon), placed a 2-million ISK bounty on Mao's head. I should note that Tyrfing Securities and Veto were never at war. This may be why our corporation is not listed in your records. Also, I am unsure as to the details of the attack, which I was not present for. It may have been that Mao attacked Piuro, and Piuro withdrew, and survived. Anyway, I retract my earlier comments. After all, you made the decision to cease piracy, which is certainly admirable. Mercenaries, at least, have some values (keeping the identity of your client secret under great duress shows honesty).
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.11.22 03:55:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Mik Nostrebor 2. The Home Guard had the matter in hand. The convoy, illegal or not, had been stopped in it's tracks and was engaging in diplomatic discourse when the attack by a 3rd party mercenary force ocurred. This attack is an unprovoked attack by a civillian force in Caldari space. If the Caldari government does not take action against this mercenary force the message is clear: Caldari state is not competent nor willing to protect it's own sovereignty is accepting it's own inability to govern. It is a clear admission of incompetance and the Caldari mega-corporations should take action to protect their own assets by replacing this incapable and dangerously lacking government. I imagine Kaalakiota Corporation is at this very moment hiring mercenry forces to bolster it's own defences. After all, it was lucky the Veto contract did not go further and have their 'home guard' and station destroyed as well....?!?
Yes, it's incompetence that made the Navy sit and watch a Federation incursion get destroyed...
D you even know what you're talking about? From the looks of things I'd have to say no.
Why would the Caldari Navy even lift a finger to defend anotther empire's military vessels that were in volation of intersetllar treaties and refusing to stand down and return home when ordered to by the soverign nation whose space they were violating? The 'diplomatic discourse' consisted of the Federation ships being told to return home, and them refusing. Their refusal and stubbornness got them killed.
I think you'll find the incompetence is with the Federation, and its Navy lacking the ability to defend itself. And sabotage? Perhaps you're underestimating the ability of some of the pilots of Veto; escape pods rarely survive if they'd locked down and fired upon.
The State is under no obligation to defend Federation ships, especially when said ships are not only violating our space without prior authorization or request, but refusing to stand down when told. If it were State ships in the Federation you'd have a bunch of Gallente and minmatar screaming for war.
There's nothing neutral about you, you are quite biased in your views towards the State, a pity.
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Mik Nostrebor
Minmatar ORKS
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Posted - 2006.11.22 04:32:00 -
[73]
Edited by: Mik Nostrebor on 22/11/2006 04:35:27
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Why would the Caldari Navy even lift a finger to defend anotther empire's military vessels that were in volation of intersetllar treaties and refusing to stand down and return home when ordered to by the soverign nation whose space they were violating? The 'diplomatic discourse' consisted of the Federation ships being told to return home, and them refusing. Their refusal and stubbornness got them killed.
Interesting. Firstly, I don't know where you got the idea that I thought the 'home guard' should have defended the Gallenteans. I never said anything like that at all.
Also interesting is that the 'home guard' was in progress of communicating with the gallentean ships when Veto came in and blew them all up. Are you saying that the home guard called Veto in? Veto themselves deny that. Do you know more then the rest of us do then? I guess not and I guess that the Caldari State NOT claiming responsibility for the event means it was NOT a Caldari State or Caldari Navy action...
Which leaves my point standing... If the Gallente ships where to be destroyed, why did a freelancing private navy do the work? It makes the Caldari State look weak and confused. Especially when their 'home guard' was already dealing with the situation. Since when does any police force tolerate a vigilante group shooting up people they have detained and are questioning? Only a very weak police force, a weak one of a weak government. At least that is how it looks right now. And obviously Veto holds the Caldari Navy (or at least that home guard unit) in complete contempt to go ahead with their operation right in the face of the supposed LAW!
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Verone
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.11.23 00:55:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Feng Schui Perhaps someone within Veto's ranks has his or her own agenda?
And, how much, on a rough estimated scale, would Veto charge for the slaughter of an individual 5 times be? Of course, proof of the slaughter would need to be confirmed... as in... 5 corpses that I can hang on the wall of my latrine?
You can contact me regarding this, however a pilot with an Egger's liscence as recent as yours will need to front a lot of ISK to gain our attention.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.11.23 01:35:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Mik Nostrebor Which leaves my point standing... If the Gallente ships where to be destroyed, why did a freelancing private navy do the work? It makes the Caldari State look weak and confused. Especially when their 'home guard' was already dealing with the situation. Since when does any police force tolerate a vigilante group shooting up people they have detained and are questioning? Only a very weak police force, a weak one of a weak government. At least that is how it looks right now. And obviously Veto holds the Caldari Navy (or at least that home guard unit) in complete contempt to go ahead with their operation right in the face of the supposed LAW!
:) M
Your point seems rather hazy, but you seem to be asking why the Caldari didn't destroy the Federation force instead of watching Veto do it? However I think you simply do not understand interstellar law.
It doesn't matter what Veto thinks of the Caldari Navy, them destroying those Federation ships was not some act of defiance in the face of the State, and very likely saved the State a bit of hassle should the Federation convoy refused to leave and attempted to land (which would have been nothing short of an invasion), which would have prompted their destruction by the State rather than 'a vigilante group'. Veto's not a group of idiots, and I'm sure they were aware of the fact that the Caldari wouldn't care to fire on them for fulfilling that particular contract.
The State did not 'detain and question' the Federation ships, they told them to go home, and the Gallente were being stubborn (no surprise there).
If you aren't sure why I brought up the idea of Home guard defending the Federation ships, then reread your own statements. You suggest that the State is weak or incompetent for allowing such a thing to happen. I told you why such ideas are wrong.
As for when a police force tolerates another party shooting someone they're 'questioning'(telling to go away)? As I already said, if the Federation had kept refusing, they would have very likely tried to land without permission, and given the extra combat forces on their ships, it would have easily been seen as an invasion and Home Guard would have destroyed them to protect their assets and interests. As for the Caldari police force being 'weak', you'd be a complete fool to think such a thing. The Caldari Naval forces are the smallest in number, but they are by far the most technologically advanced and can match the larger navies of the Federation, and even the Amarr.
As for a weak government, well I just find such a comment rather funny when it comes from a minmatar. The Republic's government seems to barely hold together these days.
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Feng Schui
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2006.11.23 02:46:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Verone
You can contact me regarding this, however a pilot with an Egger's liscence as recent as yours will need to front a lot of ISK to gain our attention.
I understand, as I was just curious, of course.. as I would never hire out a corporation to exact a certain revenge against a pilot that dishonored his corporation's honor.
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Miss Ion
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Posted - 2006.11.25 16:26:00 -
[77]
Edited by: Miss Ion on 25/11/2006 16:27:24
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Nachshon
Caldari Tyrfing Securities
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Posted - 2006.11.29 18:18:00 -
[78]
I just had a real funny question: Only two organizations know the identity of VETO's client: the client, and VETO. However, could an organization (ie, the Federal Navy) set up a contract with VETO to destroy VETO's former client, without knowing the client's identity?
That would actually be a clever way to retaliate against VETO's client - pay VETO to kill them, then check up on who VETO attacks.
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Verone
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.11.30 07:30:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Nachshon I just had a real funny question: Only two organizations know the identity of VETO's client: the client, and VETO. However, could an organization (ie, the Federal Navy) set up a contract with VETO to destroy VETO's former client, without knowing the client's identity?
That would actually be a clever way to retaliate against VETO's client - pay VETO to kill them, then check up on who VETO attacks.
No.
We require our targets to be specifically named, and their identity confirmed by the client.
VETO FOR HIRE
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