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Siigari Kitawa
Magic Minerals
Push Interstellar Network
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Posted - 2015.05.09 03:09:04 -
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I overload after 1 cycle. I think my yield is 4416 or something.
Anyway, I sometimes forget to empty my hold. My bad. The thing is if we increase it to allow 2 cycles, then people will complain when they don't empty after 2 cycles and want 3 cycles.
Honestly I love that I mine so much I have to dump every 70 seconds or I get penalized. It makes mining engaging and I have a real sense of accomplishment because I am good at it.
Even though I'd love a massive Hulk ore hold, I am against increasing it right now.
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FT Diomedes
The Graduates
Get Off My Lawn
949
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Posted - 2015.05.09 09:39:16 -
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Ganael Hartsong wrote:I disagree, i think every ship should offer the chance to be used fully. I wouldn't even mind a slight reduction in yield instead of a ore hold buff to fix this problem.
The slight reduction in yield you want is not using mining drones...
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Ganael Hartsong
Shadow State
The Bastion
13
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Posted - 2015.05.09 12:14:25 -
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I can easily keep up with my hulk cycles even when multiboxing, that is not the point. Not using mining drone is not the point either. If you still wonder what the point is, please read above. |
Rosira
Warframe Industry And Salvage
11
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Posted - 2015.05.09 14:18:24 -
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Deal with it.
I don't multimine anymore but never had any issue with the ore bay size when I did and currently if it fills up when I'm not paying attention its user error for not keeping tabs better.
Want more ore bay space then change ships and accept that there will be a loss in yield, that it was chosen and has been the number it is for a long time speaks that it was done with an intent for that number. What could do with a ore bay increase is the Orca. |
Ganael Hartsong
Shadow State
The Bastion
13
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Posted - 2015.05.09 14:29:48 -
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We're are talking about an increase of ore hold of 100 to 500 m3 here. It's not about buffing the hulk, it's about adjusting it to make it clean considering all variables: cycles, boosts, and mining drones. |
Iain Cariaba
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Posted - 2015.05.09 20:23:36 -
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Ganael Hartsong wrote:I can easily keep up with my hulk cycles even when multiboxing, that is not the point. Not using mining drone is not the point either. If you still wonder what the point is, please read above.
Then you don't have a point. You want the ore hold ineased because it's harder for you to multibox, but you can easily keep up when multiboxing as it currently sits. You're willing to take a cut in yield to make it all fit, but suggesting you voluntarily reduce your yield to make it all fit by not using mining drones or adjusting your fit is immediatly dismissed by you, and we're called trolls for pointing it out.
Nothing you've suggested is necessary. You seem to have no difficulty in effectivly operating your multiboxing fleet as it sits, so what are you really looking for here outside of a way to increase your isk/hr?
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
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Ncc 1709
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
193
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Posted - 2015.05.09 20:38:03 -
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+1 for small ore hold buff
a simple 5.9% increase would fix all the issues the hulk has at being decently efficient.
saying stuff like fit a damage control... if I did that I might as well just use a skiff.
don't use mining drones... its like telling an Ishtar not to use drones. |
Iain Cariaba
1341
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Posted - 2015.05.09 21:01:24 -
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Ncc 1709 wrote:+1 for small ore hold buff
a simple 5.9% increase would fix all the issues the hulk has at being decently efficient.
saying stuff like fit a damage control... if I did that I might as well just use a skiff.
don't use mining drones... its like telling an Ishtar not to use drones.
Oh look, you're being forced to either adjust your fit away from max yield to be able to pay more attention to other things, or pay more attention to the game to get max yield.
Pretty sure the phrase "working as intended" applies here.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
2478
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Posted - 2015.05.09 22:01:02 -
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Ganael Hartsong wrote:We're are talking about an increase of ore hold of 100 to 500 m3 here. It's not about buffing the hulk, it's about adjusting it to make it clean considering all variables: cycles, boosts, and mining drones.
But it is a buff to the hulk, and as many others giving +1 to your post, it makes multi-boxing with more hulks easier and more lucrative.
Satisfying your ocd does not justify making that which was deliberately meant to be difficult, easier.
Before the bonuses were changed from mining amount to mining cycle, the hulk could barely hold one cycle. this was the original intention.
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
2478
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Posted - 2015.05.09 22:11:10 -
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Ncc 1709 wrote:+1 for small ore hold buff
a simple 5.9% increase would fix all the issues the hulk has at being decently efficient.
saying stuff like fit a damage control... if I did that I might as well just use a skiff.
don't use mining drones... its like telling an Ishtar not to use drones.
A hulk with a damage control mines a lot more than a skiff and has more range.
Trade-offs. Eve is full of them.
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Ganael Hartsong
Shadow State
The Bastion
14
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Posted - 2015.05.10 11:18:24 -
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And you should be able to choose what trade off you want to make. I'm trading off medium drones for mining drones and light drones, but I can't do that properly because 50m3 is missing (which again, is ridiculous).
Is CCP want to design the hulk to hold 1 full cycle, then make it one, not 1.99 |
Lakotnik
TSOE Po1ice
TSOE Consortium
8
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Posted - 2015.05.10 13:23:38 -
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Ganael Hartsong wrote:If CCP wanted to design the hulk to hold 1 full cycle, then make it one, not 1.99
It actually can't hold more than 1 cycle. With max boosts and yield, one full cycle is about ~4490 m3 of ore.
That's why most of us multi-box miners fit a bit more tank to the Hulks and/or forgo using Modulated Strip Miner II's to get a bit less yield so we only need to move ore out of the ore bay once every 140seconds.
Going for max yield fit and Michi's + Highwall Mining implants + boosts and t2 crystals, well.. that requires more micro-managing.
Instead of fixing Hulks, CCP should roll out the capital Mining ship and we'll all be happy. 6 Capital Strip Miners, 400.000m3 ore bay and compressor rolled into one, beep beep, coming through.
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Kiddoomer
ScrewWork Inc.
39
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Posted - 2015.05.10 15:07:47 -
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Lakotnik wrote:[quote=Ganael Hartsong]
Instead of fixing Hulks, CCP should roll out the capital Mining ship and we'll all be happy. 6 Capital Strip Miners, 400.000m3 ore bay and compressor rolled into one, beep beep, coming through.
I actually like this even if I will maybe never fly this ship lol.
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Iain Cariaba
1343
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Posted - 2015.05.10 19:37:48 -
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Ganael Hartsong wrote:And you should be able to choose what trade off you want to make. I'm trading off medium drones for mining drones and light drones, but I can't do that properly because 50m3 is missing (which again, is ridiculous).
Is CCP want to design the hulk to hold 1 full cycle, then make it one, not 1.99
No, what you're actually is getting more yield for more management. If you want less management, reduce your yield and it'll all fit.
That's the real trade, yield for management time.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
16349
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Posted - 2015.05.10 20:22:17 -
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Stepping the cycles on your strips is super hard 
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Iain Cariaba
1343
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Posted - 2015.05.10 21:00:41 -
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Malcanis wrote:Stepping the cycles on your strips is super hard
But that requires effort, which OP is trying to avoid.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
2478
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Posted - 2015.05.10 21:11:52 -
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Ganael Hartsong wrote:And you should be able to choose what trade off you want to make. I'm trading off medium drones for mining drones and light drones, but I can't do that properly because 50m3 is missing (which again, is ridiculous).
Is CCP want to design the hulk to hold 1 full cycle, then make it one, not 1.99
And what if they wanted to design it to hold more than one cycle so using one wasnt so much a chore, but less than two so it was still a deterrent to multi-boxing with too many of them?
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Null Infinity
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
31
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Posted - 2015.05.12 09:08:14 -
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We do not need to buff multiboxers / afk miners, imho. Rather support something like two suggestions in my signature. That would make mining more interesting and more rewarding.
New mining menthods: interactive mining
and comet mining
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
1780
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Posted - 2015.05.12 12:29:05 -
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Malcanis wrote:Stepping the cycles on your strips is super hard
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