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Shardrael Caldari AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.08 20:19:00 - [31] Edited by: Shardrael on 08/11/2006 20:25:40 Edited by: Shardrael on 08/11/2006 20:20:24 so I am told this is valuable real estate, wtb bids starting 100 isk edit: omgz first post of the second page this is at the top of your viewing experience base price raised to 150isk edit2: well that was actually a civil post well said GK, still taking bids on this space Originally by: Pinky Denmark Caldari have other options like using rails or train for other ships/weapons...
DTee Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.08 20:23:00 - [32] Edited by: DTee on 08/11/2006 20:24:09 Originally by: Gungankllr Edited by: Gungankllr on 08/11/2006 19:54:10 Greetings, This post is written from my/our point of view on the hostilities in the south. Several months ago, .... (Continued below) Ok - I can assure you ASCN was not attacked just because of their titan. Secondnly, Alot of BoB memebrs have friends in ASCN they've always respected them. As BoB we might be loud of the forums, rough, the list goes on but we aren't cheats, liars, sploiters. Its a war game we play to win. What probably put BoB on such a negative personal feeling was probably the blogs coming out of ASCN high command. The accudations of constant cheating by BoB. I still say gf in local to ASCN. I still respect those ASCN fighting at the front. This war was launched for pew pew....we like it what can I say? by no means do i speak for my corporation officially or my alliance but thats just my personal feelings. Host of The DT show - Thursdays during downtime. Listen to BoB Radio now!
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.08 20:30:00 - [33] I would like to thank you for the apology on behalf of your alliance leader about my private life. Apology accepted.
Kharakan Amarr GREY COUNCIL	Posted - 2006.11.08 20:31:00 - [34] Edited by: Kharakan on 08/11/2006 20:31:27 Reserved for reservedness and possible commenting. Originally by: Joshua Foiritain (to Dark Shikari) HAHAHA I KNOW YOUR ACCOUUNT NAME TIME TO DIE this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
Shardrael Caldari AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.08 20:40:00 - [35] Originally by: DTee Edited by: DTee on 08/11/2006 20:24:09 Originally by: Gungankllr Edited by: Gungankllr on 08/11/2006 19:54:10 Greetings, This post is written from my/our point of view on the hostilities in the south. Several months ago, .... (Continued below) Ok - I can assure you ASCN was not attacked just because of their titan. Secondnly, Alot of BoB memebrs have friends in ASCN they've always respected them. As BoB we might be loud of the forums, rough, the list goes on but we aren't cheats, liars, sploiters. Its a war game we play to win. What probably put BoB on such a negative personal feeling was probably the blogs coming out of ASCN high command. The accudations of constant cheating by BoB. I still say gf in local to ASCN. I still respect those ASCN fighting at the front. This war was launched for pew pew....we like it what can I say? by no means do i speak for my corporation officially or my alliance but thats just my personal feelings. in all defense DTee those are supposed to be private blogs despite the fact that everyone and their mother has seen them, and I do agree in all the times I have seen you on the field and a number of other bob they have been civil and smack free and for that I thank you, sadly both sides have members that dont abide by that but such is the way of eve and most other competitions anyhow I should prob stop posting here so have fun all Originally by: Pinky Denmark Caldari have other options like using rails or train for other ships/weapons...
Exortius Amarrus The Clearwater Society	Posted - 2006.11.08 20:43:00 - [36] Respect. ------------------------
DTee Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.08 20:47:00 - [37] Originally by: Shardrael Originally by: DTee Edited by: DTee on 08/11/2006 20:24:09 Originally by: Gungankllr Edited by: Gungankllr on 08/11/2006 19:54:10 Greetings, This post is written from my/our point of view on the hostilities in the south. Several months ago, .... (Continued below) Ok - I can assure you ASCN was not attacked just because of their titan. Secondnly, Alot of BoB memebrs have friends in ASCN they've always respected them. As BoB we might be loud of the forums, rough, the list goes on but we aren't cheats, liars, sploiters. Its a war game we play to win. What probably put BoB on such a negative personal feeling was probably the blogs coming out of ASCN high command. The accudations of constant cheating by BoB. I still say gf in local to ASCN. I still respect those ASCN fighting at the front. This war was launched for pew pew....we like it what can I say? by no means do i speak for my corporation officially or my alliance but thats just my personal feelings. in all defense DTee those are supposed to be private blogs despite the fact that everyone and their mother has seen them, and I do agree in all the times I have seen you on the field and a number of other bob they have been civil and smack free and for that I thank you, sadly both sides have members that dont abide by that but such is the way of eve and most other competitions anyhow I should prob stop posting here so have fun all Like many other ASCN on the front lines you've earnt my respect. DTee Host of The DT show - Thursdays during downtime. Listen to BoB Radio now!
Gungankllr Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.08 20:49:00 - [38] Sorry if this seems a bit blunt, but please just make a new post if you feel the need to retort. I'm online for a bit working on something, I just don't feel like going through 140 posts to see if something has been edited for me to respond to. Hidden in this signature is a secret message. I like pie.
Smith Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.08 21:44:00 - [39] Edited by: Smith on 08/11/2006 21:49:01 I've seen things to come Gungankllr and I can assure you here and now the titan only hastened the invasion of your space. This conflict is only the begining. Once you and your breathren are assimulated into our culture you may then realise that this is a vision from a genius, some may say a madman but nether the less it is almost like watching an artist paint his masterpiece, BOB as the Brush and EVE as the canvas, once completed order and unity to all who embrace the will of BOB, death and suffering to those who oppose the change. Oh who am I kidding. WE SMASH, WE CRUSH, WE HURT HOBBITS AND EAT BABIES!!!! DIE DIE DIE
Ilmonstre Minmatar TYRANTS	Posted - 2006.11.08 21:55:00 - [40] Originally by: Gungankllr Sorry if this seems a bit blunt, but please just make a new post if you feel the need to retort. I'm online for a bit working on something, I just don't feel like going through 140 posts to see if something has been edited for me to respond to. aaaah why not it will keep you busy in those lonely nights
eveceo1 Gallente Revival.	Posted - 2006.11.08 23:42:00 - [41] Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 08/11/2006 20:07:56 Originally by: BoinKlasik Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 08/11/2006 20:03:31 Reserved to post something truthful that ASCN can call lies, propoganda and then e-buse me. dbp he admits it! wait... Yes wait, wait for your penny to drop so you can understand what I wrote. I'm sure it'll drop soon, just keep waiting for it! dbp Why are you so angry? I'm guessing its because your aren't emotionally fulfilled... You do nothing but try to make yourself look superior on the forums to no avail at all, by doing this your actually making yourself look needy and wanting. Time to back away and take that deep breath you spoke of. _______________ Yar!Ö
Angelus X Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.09 00:02:00 - [42] Nice post Although some interesting uses of the words "some" and "more". Perhaps you could give CYVOK some tips on eve-o forum posting. -----
Alasse Cuthalion TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.09 00:25:00 - [43] Edited by: Alasse Cuthalion on 09/11/2006 00:25:06 Originally by: Shardrael in all defense DTee those are supposed to be private blogs despite the fact that everyone and their mother has seen them So it's acceptable for your alliance leader to make derogatory and slanderous remarks about us if we don't find out about it? oO
Phrixus Zephyr Yesodic Nomads Corp Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.11.09 00:42:00 - [44] Originally by: Alasse Cuthalion Edited by: Alasse Cuthalion on 09/11/2006 00:25:06 Originally by: Shardrael in all defense DTee those are supposed to be private blogs despite the fact that everyone and their mother has seen them So it's acceptable for your alliance leader to make derogatory and slanderous remarks about us if we don't find out about it? oO Don't talk wet. Of course it is. Everyone, everywhere does it about someone. It's only wrong if you get caught.
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.11.09 00:55:00 - [45] Reserved for when I say boobies. oh wait. aw hell with it.
Shardrael Caldari AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.09 02:29:00 - [46] Edited by: Shardrael on 09/11/2006 02:30:15 Originally by: Alasse Cuthalion Edited by: Alasse Cuthalion on 09/11/2006 00:25:06 Originally by: Shardrael in all defense DTee those are supposed to be private blogs despite the fact that everyone and their mother has seen them So it's acceptable for your alliance leader to make derogatory and slanderous remarks about us if we don't find out about it? oO acceptable is a matter of perception and I am not hear to discuss that, I am merely stating the fact that it is hard to complain about remarks made in an internal alliance forum, example and this may be stretching it for some so step out of the box here and see if you can keep with me. There are many people you deal with on a regular basis everyday some make you happy others ** you off and even more are neutral to you, now lets focus on the ones that you off, say one of em spills coffee or something on your pants and makes you go home to change. In your mind you may sit there and stew over that person wishing something bad would happen to them or calling them a clumsy dolt etc... but you would not do this to their face because it is an overreaction and or not neccesary. However it is still healthy for your mind to be able to express that without someone knowing every thought you made, it allows venting and what not to take place internally in order to not mar relations externally, in effect it provides a safe location to wander your feelings on something without having to worry how those around you will take every little thing that comes up. now in an alliance something similar is very neccesary people need their space in private to vent... to carry discussions and to examine how they feel about something. It is absolutely neccesary for members directors and leaders to be given a safe and free place to express whatever they want. If this was not neccesary the role of diplomat within an alliance would not exist, there would simply be no need for it. In addition to all this the post in question happened to be one designed to increase morale and fighting spirit as such it is prone to exagerate in order to stir those that read it, thus is the nature of such letters and complaining about it is kind of silly. I have no doubt there have been plenty of posts on bobs forums of a derogatory nature to certain members of ascn or ascn as a whole, the difference being i have no desire to read such things as they are put on your internal forums for discussion among your members and there member corps and are infact a healthy functioning of any alliance in this game. Now when someone makes a derogatory post in a public forum it is not intended as healthy internal dialogue but as an external attack on said persons or entities and that is where it becomes a problem, and by bringing anyones internal posts to public forums you are in effect creating that situation even if it was never the OP or owning bodies original intent. That is a problem because then you are manipulating someone else to serve an end. none of this is smack at bob or anyone else that has acted thusly, it serves merely to illustrate the point that getting sore over something that was never intended to reach your eyes in the first place. Lastly this is not the same thing as directly talking behind someones back irl, that situation would be much more aking to two or more alliances smacking another, where in my example I liken a single alliance much more to a single person, as although it may contain a great deal of individual consciousness it is in effect a single one(atleast when it is working well) sorry its a bit long winded but wanted to make sure my point came accross as clear as possible and DTee thanks for your respect, those kind of discourses are what this more could see alot more of imo edit: sorry for the spelling and grammar Originally by:** Pinky Denmark Caldari have other options like using rails or train for other ships/weapons...
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.09 02:53:00 - [47] Originally by: Gungankllr Sorry if this seems a bit blunt, but please just make a new post if you feel the need to retort. You should have thought of that before reserving space on the forums and then waiting for nearly an hour to actually finish writing what you wanted to say. Little tip for ya, if you are gonna write a long piece spanning multiple posts, type it out first in notepad or some other document creator and then copy and paste. What you did today on this thread.. was.... well I don't wanna be rude, so I won't say it... Can't help feeling that ASCN as a whole has little or no idea how to deal with the forums.......
BurnYaBad Lynx Frontier Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.09 02:57:00 - [48] Here Here! excellent way to put how all of us in ASCN feel about the current forum spy issue.
Rebellion Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.09 03:07:00 - [49] Edited by: Rebellion on 09/11/2006 03:16:05 Gungankllr: We're under no illusions that our Titan was first. ASCN built theirs first. BoB didn't attack ASCN because it built a Titan. BoB attacked ASCN because it was an alliance that was capable of many things including building a Titan. There's a very important distinction there. We thought you'd be like FIX and take the war in good stride. Then CYVOK showed his paranoid side by thinking MC was out to get ASCN, which was proved to be completely false. Next, everything went south when we discovered how CYVOK and others in your HC were motivating your membership to fight BoB. You will notice that our complaints are directed at your HC and it's because of this, not because of some plot to undermine them in the eyes of your membership. It would have been much better if ASCN acted like FIX did in our war with them. This was not to be while your HC persisted in their style of leadership. We tried, and still try to change it, with our efforts backfiring because your membership, incapable of understanding why an enemy would be concerned, decided that the opposite reaction would be best. Now they consolidate themselves behind a HC that ill serves them, and they suffer for it. I'm not even sure of there are those in ASCN that still believe that BoB is moving to PoTBS. Your membership should have called BS on your leadership and stopped them from continuing the nonsense. I've generally got no beef with the vast majority of ASCN though. Especially the ones that fight in the front lines because they have always been of good humour. If we really hated ASCN, when a group like ANZA whom we have fought a lot in Paragon Soul decided to cease hostilities and withdraw, we would have gone VERBOTEN! on them, but we didn't. As you admitted, your post has an ASCN tilt to it, so I won't nitpick any further. However, I would like to say that you have represented your side much better than CYVOK or - heaven forbid - McCreedy.
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.09 03:43:00 - [50] Edited by: Hardin on 09/11/2006 03:44:31 Originally by: Gungankllr About a week later, CYVOK unveiled the Titan, and all of a sudden Ascendant Frontier became public enemy #1 in the eyes of BoB. Forum posts went up, and immediately the attitudes of BoB soured towards us. There was a few "Looking forwards to good fights" on both sides, but if you look back, it's pretty much negative at that point. What started the war? I think unveiling the titan before BoB rolled out theirs was a large part, but I can't say, since I'm not in BoB. You ASCN boys should have come to the EVE London http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=359303 meet back on 2nd September. It was pretty obvious then (well before Titan was unveiled) that ASCN was the next BoB target. Alcohol fueled intel for the win ------------------------------ Blog's back - for now
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.09 04:19:00 - [51] Hardin, that's something I've always been jealous of... you guys have it relatively easy to hook up with each other in the UK! Ack... definately jealous. Me, I'm in a province in Canada, with roughly the same landmass as England, and with 1/30th the population. Even though we have other Canadians in FIX, I've yet to meet a single one from the same province. /sorry to derail, must be all the buzz around fanfest getting me going. Blog
CamMan Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.09 05:07:00 - [52] Gungankllr, you seem to skip over a lot of the big facts, and focus on some minor details for the sake of making ASCN look like they are in a better position then reality dictates. But that is to be expected from a media liasons officer. You also add your assumptions as to the reasons about this war which from my point of view are all incorrect. That aside, it isnt too bad a post, much better then the previous propaganda machine has put out. I hope this post can begin to decrease the smack that has been thrown back and forth. I look forward to your next post. In a perfect world there would be Gungankllr and DBP just conversing between themselves, without all the other trolls getting involved. That would be a much more entertaining read. Cheers Cam Originally by: Bender Interesting, no the other one ... tedious
Torshin Kydance Radiant Industries Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.09 05:16:00 - [53] DB, i usually agree with you but your flaming is not needed. This is prolly the least biased thread written about the war so far, and while yes it might gloss over numbers it gives a solid overview Krin - forget the rest.
Zaethiel Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.09 05:42:00 - [54] So any BoB members care to enlighten us as to why they started pirating ASCN in their space, being done before the "war" started? _________________________________________
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.09 05:50:00 - [55] Originally by: Zaethiel So any BoB members care to enlighten us as to why they started pirating ASCN in their space, being done before the "war" started? From the time standings were reset (a fair while ago now), we attacked anyone without positive standings. Engaging in PVP does not equal pirating.
Royaldo KVA Noble Inc. THE H0RDE	Posted - 2006.11.09 05:50:00 - [56] they like to pew pew?? some minor fact faults, nothing new.
Zaethiel Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.09 05:57:00 - [57] Originally by: Ab Initio Originally by: Zaethiel So any BoB members care to enlighten us as to why they started pirating ASCN in their space, being done before the "war" started? From the time standings were reset (a fair while ago now), we attacked anyone without positive standings. Engaging in PVP does not equal pirating. And when standings were reset why didn't BoB set ASCN to positive? Seems that ASCN sets anyone an everyone to positive when they can. _________________________________________
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.09 06:02:00 - [58] Originally by: Zaethiel Originally by: Ab Initio Originally by: Zaethiel So any BoB members care to enlighten us as to why they started pirating ASCN in their space, being done before the "war" started? From the time standings were reset (a fair while ago now), we attacked anyone without positive standings. Engaging in PVP does not equal pirating. And when standings were reset why didn't BoB set ASCN to positive? Seems that ASCN sets anyone an everyone to positive when they can. Try focus on the standings reset part of my post..
CamMan Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.09 06:05:00 - [59] Originally by: Torshin DB, i usually agree with you but your flaming is not needed. This is prolly the least biased thread written about the war so far, and while yes it might gloss over numbers it gives a solid overview this thread is far from unbiased, it is written in a very neutral tone which i appluad GK for but he still selectively decided what facts to mention and which ones to leave out. He also added his opinions on things he admits he has no idea on. Which is all fine as it isnt flame bait. I respect GK for his post, all i am saying is that is far from unbiased. Originally by: Torshin So any BoB members care to enlighten us as to why they started pirating ASCN in their space, being done before the "war" started? Torshin, if you look at the map, you will see that ASCN is next to BoB space. ASCN used to have impressive numbers of BS's, and always like to fight. making them a perfect target to go and raid. We were not pirating them as said previously by my brethren in this thread, we were just engaging them. The simple reason is for fun. PvP=most fun in this game. So it was fun for us and fun for the ASCN gangs that engaged us during those times. We started roaming their space once standings were reset. The timing of the war had nothing to do with it. At the time the average BoB pilot had no idea a war was coming. I only say average pilot because i can not speak for the powers that be, as i am just an average BoB pilot. Cheers Cam Originally by: Bender Interesting, no the other one ... tedious
Emrod Amarr Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.11.09 06:30:00 - [60] zzZZZZZZzzzzzzzz

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