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Gungankllr Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.08 19:31:00 - [1] Greetings, This post is written from my/our point of view on the hostilities in the south. It's going to be a rather long read, so there will be about two empty posts as I reserve space for writing. Hidden in this signature is a secret message. I like pie.
Gungankllr Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.08 19:32:00 - [2] reserved. Hidden in this signature is a secret message. I like pie.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.08 19:44:00 - [3] Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 08/11/2006 19:47:10 Rent This Space Hundreds of flame monkies will come here to flame, for 5 mill isk per day we garuantee several hundreds views per hour! ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.08 19:44:00 - [4] Edited by: Nez Perces on 08/11/2006 19:46:42 Reserved !!! [edit:typo]
Edheler Quintessential Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.08 19:46:00 - [5] Sure, why not reserve some space. Edheler Quintessential CEO
EvoStrife Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.08 19:47:00 - [6] Im going to take this preorder and sell it on ebay.
zeKzn Empire of Destiny	Posted - 2006.11.08 19:48:00 - [7] this space for sale to highest bidder my thoughts are my own and do not represent the thoughts of my corp
BoinKlasik Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.11.08 19:48:00 - [8] Is this going to turn into one of the threads where its never edited back in and we post for about 2 pages saying "reserved"? doh, I broke my edited sig :/ cries this signature was lacking pink, I'll provide it for you. There. Looks better doesn't it? -Eris Fixed it for you. Oh, btw, yarr! ~kieron Didn't I tell you? The damsel moved in with me, we're having a great time. - Wrangler The damsel may not be distressed any more, but how many times does the informant have to be silenced before he gets the message? - Cortes
Amthrianius Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.08 19:49:00 - [9] reserved for a reply when the op is finished! Originally by: Admiral Goberius Basically we need to understand why they manage to cream our dreads like they were shuttles and theirs manage to tank a total of 150 ascn ships + 112 fighters
Bizarre TAOSP	Posted - 2006.11.08 19:50:00 - [10] reserved so I can mock AmthriANUS when he has replied. --------------------
Amthrianius Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.08 19:51:00 - [11] reserved for a retort against "mr ops i got blown up again with capital skills"! Originally by: Admiral Goberius Basically we need to understand why they manage to cream our dreads like they were shuttles and theirs manage to tank a total of 150 ascn ships + 112 fighters
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.08 19:53:00 - [12] Edited by: Nez Perces on 08/11/2006 19:54:33 edit..
Degarion Soth Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.08 19:53:00 - [13] Erm, I may be missing something but why not write your essay first and then post it?
Ilmonstre Minmatar TYRANTS	Posted - 2006.11.08 19:54:00 - [14] i will reserve this for the neutral stance
KSUDruid Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.08 19:54:00 - [15] I'll squat on some space, sounds like the cool thing to do. -Druid Current RKK Ranking: (CAL11) Sabre
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.08 19:54:00 - [16] Originally by: Degarion Soth Erm, I may be missing something but why not write your essay first and then post it? Gotta hype it first, duh All of us are now spamming the refresh button every 10 secs to see the post, hes got like 200+ views already without actually posting anything. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
maGz The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.11.08 19:58:00 - [17] BoB forumflame-squad assemble!!! (Reserved!) ____________ The Priory Killboard
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.08 20:03:00 - [18] Edited by: DB Preacher on 08/11/2006 20:03:31 Reserved to post something truthful that ASCN can call lies, propoganda and then e-buse me. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Roxanna Kell BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.08 20:04:00 - [19] Reserved for smack when the op is finished. Quote: "Don't touch the RED butt
BoinKlasik Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.11.08 20:05:00 - [20] Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 08/11/2006 20:03:31 Reserved to post something truthful that ASCN can call lies, propoganda and then e-buse me. dbp he admits it! wait... doh, I broke my edited sig :/ cries this signature was lacking pink, I'll provide it for you. There. Looks better doesn't it? -Eris Fixed it for you. Oh, btw, yarr! ~kieron Didn't I tell you? The damsel moved in with me, we're having a great time. - Wrangler The damsel may not be distressed any more, but how many times does the informant have to be silenced before he gets the message? - Cortes
Tessa Vaako Ars Caelestis Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.08 20:06:00 - [21] Edited by: Tessa Vaako on 08/11/2006 20:12:46 Heck I'll reserve a spot just to say that I've reserved one. EDIT: dbp didn't reserve that post to post something truthful! Lies! He reserved it to post BoB serving / moral breaking propagands about ASCN! /emote e-buses dbp -- Just how awesome are you BoB?
thoth foc Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.11.08 20:06:00 - [22] reserved to comment on at least 1 of the above pending comments >: )
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.08 20:08:00 - [23] Edited by: DB Preacher on 08/11/2006 20:07:56 Originally by: BoinKlasik Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 08/11/2006 20:03:31 Reserved to post something truthful that ASCN can call lies, propoganda and then e-buse me. dbp he admits it! wait... Yes wait, wait for your penny to drop so you can understand what I wrote. I'm sure it'll drop soon, just keep waiting for it! dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Fuglife Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.11.08 20:09:00 - [24] Reserved for an unwitty (does that word even exist) remark about Dbp's post. --- Lodhi ftg
EnglishBob 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.11.08 20:11:00 - [25] Reserved Look Mum, I'm on the first page! ------------------
BoinKlasik Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.11.08 20:12:00 - [26] Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 08/11/2006 20:07:56 Originally by: BoinKlasik Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 08/11/2006 20:03:31 Reserved to post something truthful that ASCN can call lies, propoganda and then e-buse me. dbp he admits it! wait... Yes wait, wait for your penny to drop so you can understand what I wrote. I'm sure it'll drop soon, just keep waiting for it! dbp you're no fun :-/ doh, I broke my edited sig :/ cries this signature was lacking pink, I'll provide it for you. There. Looks better doesn't it? -Eris Fixed it for you. Oh, btw, yarr! ~kieron Didn't I tell you? The damsel moved in with me, we're having a great time. - Wrangler The damsel may not be distressed any more, but how many times does the informant have to be silenced before he gets the message? - Cortes
Old Geeza The Retirement Home	Posted - 2006.11.08 20:17:00 - [27] Reserved, just to be a part of ASCN's new diplomat's first public humiliation _______________________________________ Sign the petition against jump queues!
Helplessandlost Minmatar Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.08 20:19:00 - [28] Reserved as all the other cool kids are doing it... Ah but mom "Don't take life too seriously, nobody gets out alive!"
Beringe Caldari Raptus Regaliter	Posted - 2006.11.08 20:19:00 - [29] Respect. I wonder what the forum trolls will find objectionable in your post. ------------------------------------------- "Sarcasm and irony are not to be used by the uninitiated." --Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles--
Riwer Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.08 20:19:00 - [30] Common guys, it's his second day at work. I bet it will be more stuff about waffles vs pancakes.
Shardrael Caldari AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.08 20:19:00 - [31] Edited by: Shardrael on 08/11/2006 20:25:40 Edited by: Shardrael on 08/11/2006 20:20:24 so I am told this is valuable real estate, wtb bids starting 100 isk edit: omgz first post of the second page this is at the top of your viewing experience base price raised to 150isk edit2: well that was actually a civil post well said GK, still taking bids on this space Originally by: Pinky Denmark Caldari have other options like using rails or train for other ships/weapons...
DTee Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.08 20:23:00 - [32] Edited by: DTee on 08/11/2006 20:24:09 Originally by: Gungankllr Edited by: Gungankllr on 08/11/2006 19:54:10 Greetings, This post is written from my/our point of view on the hostilities in the south. Several months ago, .... (Continued below) Ok - I can assure you ASCN was not attacked just because of their titan. Secondnly, Alot of BoB memebrs have friends in ASCN they've always respected them. As BoB we might be loud of the forums, rough, the list goes on but we aren't cheats, liars, sploiters. Its a war game we play to win. What probably put BoB on such a negative personal feeling was probably the blogs coming out of ASCN high command. The accudations of constant cheating by BoB. I still say gf in local to ASCN. I still respect those ASCN fighting at the front. This war was launched for pew pew....we like it what can I say? by no means do i speak for my corporation officially or my alliance but thats just my personal feelings. Host of The DT show - Thursdays during downtime. Listen to BoB Radio now!
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.08 20:30:00 - [33] I would like to thank you for the apology on behalf of your alliance leader about my private life. Apology accepted.
Kharakan Amarr GREY COUNCIL	Posted - 2006.11.08 20:31:00 - [34] Edited by: Kharakan on 08/11/2006 20:31:27 Reserved for reservedness and possible commenting. Originally by: Joshua Foiritain (to Dark Shikari) HAHAHA I KNOW YOUR ACCOUUNT NAME TIME TO DIE this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
Shardrael Caldari AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.08 20:40:00 - [35] Originally by: DTee Edited by: DTee on 08/11/2006 20:24:09 Originally by: Gungankllr Edited by: Gungankllr on 08/11/2006 19:54:10 Greetings, This post is written from my/our point of view on the hostilities in the south. Several months ago, .... (Continued below) Ok - I can assure you ASCN was not attacked just because of their titan. Secondnly, Alot of BoB memebrs have friends in ASCN they've always respected them. As BoB we might be loud of the forums, rough, the list goes on but we aren't cheats, liars, sploiters. Its a war game we play to win. What probably put BoB on such a negative personal feeling was probably the blogs coming out of ASCN high command. The accudations of constant cheating by BoB. I still say gf in local to ASCN. I still respect those ASCN fighting at the front. This war was launched for pew pew....we like it what can I say? by no means do i speak for my corporation officially or my alliance but thats just my personal feelings. in all defense DTee those are supposed to be private blogs despite the fact that everyone and their mother has seen them, and I do agree in all the times I have seen you on the field and a number of other bob they have been civil and smack free and for that I thank you, sadly both sides have members that dont abide by that but such is the way of eve and most other competitions anyhow I should prob stop posting here so have fun all Originally by: Pinky Denmark Caldari have other options like using rails or train for other ships/weapons...
Exortius Amarrus The Clearwater Society	Posted - 2006.11.08 20:43:00 - [36] Respect. ------------------------
DTee Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.08 20:47:00 - [37] Originally by: Shardrael Originally by: DTee Edited by: DTee on 08/11/2006 20:24:09 Originally by: Gungankllr Edited by: Gungankllr on 08/11/2006 19:54:10 Greetings, This post is written from my/our point of view on the hostilities in the south. Several months ago, .... (Continued below) Ok - I can assure you ASCN was not attacked just because of their titan. Secondnly, Alot of BoB memebrs have friends in ASCN they've always respected them. As BoB we might be loud of the forums, rough, the list goes on but we aren't cheats, liars, sploiters. Its a war game we play to win. What probably put BoB on such a negative personal feeling was probably the blogs coming out of ASCN high command. The accudations of constant cheating by BoB. I still say gf in local to ASCN. I still respect those ASCN fighting at the front. This war was launched for pew pew....we like it what can I say? by no means do i speak for my corporation officially or my alliance but thats just my personal feelings. in all defense DTee those are supposed to be private blogs despite the fact that everyone and their mother has seen them, and I do agree in all the times I have seen you on the field and a number of other bob they have been civil and smack free and for that I thank you, sadly both sides have members that dont abide by that but such is the way of eve and most other competitions anyhow I should prob stop posting here so have fun all Like many other ASCN on the front lines you've earnt my respect. DTee Host of The DT show - Thursdays during downtime. Listen to BoB Radio now!
Gungankllr Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.08 20:49:00 - [38] Sorry if this seems a bit blunt, but please just make a new post if you feel the need to retort. I'm online for a bit working on something, I just don't feel like going through 140 posts to see if something has been edited for me to respond to. Hidden in this signature is a secret message. I like pie.
Smith Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.08 21:44:00 - [39] Edited by: Smith on 08/11/2006 21:49:01 I've seen things to come Gungankllr and I can assure you here and now the titan only hastened the invasion of your space. This conflict is only the begining. Once you and your breathren are assimulated into our culture you may then realise that this is a vision from a genius, some may say a madman but nether the less it is almost like watching an artist paint his masterpiece, BOB as the Brush and EVE as the canvas, once completed order and unity to all who embrace the will of BOB, death and suffering to those who oppose the change. Oh who am I kidding. WE SMASH, WE CRUSH, WE HURT HOBBITS AND EAT BABIES!!!! DIE DIE DIE
Ilmonstre Minmatar TYRANTS	Posted - 2006.11.08 21:55:00 - [40] Originally by: Gungankllr Sorry if this seems a bit blunt, but please just make a new post if you feel the need to retort. I'm online for a bit working on something, I just don't feel like going through 140 posts to see if something has been edited for me to respond to. aaaah why not it will keep you busy in those lonely nights
eveceo1 Gallente Revival.	Posted - 2006.11.08 23:42:00 - [41] Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 08/11/2006 20:07:56 Originally by: BoinKlasik Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 08/11/2006 20:03:31 Reserved to post something truthful that ASCN can call lies, propoganda and then e-buse me. dbp he admits it! wait... Yes wait, wait for your penny to drop so you can understand what I wrote. I'm sure it'll drop soon, just keep waiting for it! dbp Why are you so angry? I'm guessing its because your aren't emotionally fulfilled... You do nothing but try to make yourself look superior on the forums to no avail at all, by doing this your actually making yourself look needy and wanting. Time to back away and take that deep breath you spoke of. _______________ Yar!Ö
Angelus X Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.09 00:02:00 - [42] Nice post Although some interesting uses of the words "some" and "more". Perhaps you could give CYVOK some tips on eve-o forum posting. -----
Alasse Cuthalion TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.09 00:25:00 - [43] Edited by: Alasse Cuthalion on 09/11/2006 00:25:06 Originally by: Shardrael in all defense DTee those are supposed to be private blogs despite the fact that everyone and their mother has seen them So it's acceptable for your alliance leader to make derogatory and slanderous remarks about us if we don't find out about it? oO
Phrixus Zephyr Yesodic Nomads Corp Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.11.09 00:42:00 - [44] Originally by: Alasse Cuthalion Edited by: Alasse Cuthalion on 09/11/2006 00:25:06 Originally by: Shardrael in all defense DTee those are supposed to be private blogs despite the fact that everyone and their mother has seen them So it's acceptable for your alliance leader to make derogatory and slanderous remarks about us if we don't find out about it? oO Don't talk wet. Of course it is. Everyone, everywhere does it about someone. It's only wrong if you get caught.
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.11.09 00:55:00 - [45] Reserved for when I say boobies. oh wait. aw hell with it.
Shardrael Caldari AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.09 02:29:00 - [46] Edited by: Shardrael on 09/11/2006 02:30:15 Originally by: Alasse Cuthalion Edited by: Alasse Cuthalion on 09/11/2006 00:25:06 Originally by: Shardrael in all defense DTee those are supposed to be private blogs despite the fact that everyone and their mother has seen them So it's acceptable for your alliance leader to make derogatory and slanderous remarks about us if we don't find out about it? oO acceptable is a matter of perception and I am not hear to discuss that, I am merely stating the fact that it is hard to complain about remarks made in an internal alliance forum, example and this may be stretching it for some so step out of the box here and see if you can keep with me. There are many people you deal with on a regular basis everyday some make you happy others ** you off and even more are neutral to you, now lets focus on the ones that you off, say one of em spills coffee or something on your pants and makes you go home to change. In your mind you may sit there and stew over that person wishing something bad would happen to them or calling them a clumsy dolt etc... but you would not do this to their face because it is an overreaction and or not neccesary. However it is still healthy for your mind to be able to express that without someone knowing every thought you made, it allows venting and what not to take place internally in order to not mar relations externally, in effect it provides a safe location to wander your feelings on something without having to worry how those around you will take every little thing that comes up. now in an alliance something similar is very neccesary people need their space in private to vent... to carry discussions and to examine how they feel about something. It is absolutely neccesary for members directors and leaders to be given a safe and free place to express whatever they want. If this was not neccesary the role of diplomat within an alliance would not exist, there would simply be no need for it. In addition to all this the post in question happened to be one designed to increase morale and fighting spirit as such it is prone to exagerate in order to stir those that read it, thus is the nature of such letters and complaining about it is kind of silly. I have no doubt there have been plenty of posts on bobs forums of a derogatory nature to certain members of ascn or ascn as a whole, the difference being i have no desire to read such things as they are put on your internal forums for discussion among your members and there member corps and are infact a healthy functioning of any alliance in this game. Now when someone makes a derogatory post in a public forum it is not intended as healthy internal dialogue but as an external attack on said persons or entities and that is where it becomes a problem, and by bringing anyones internal posts to public forums you are in effect creating that situation even if it was never the OP or owning bodies original intent. That is a problem because then you are manipulating someone else to serve an end. none of this is smack at bob or anyone else that has acted thusly, it serves merely to illustrate the point that getting sore over something that was never intended to reach your eyes in the first place. Lastly this is not the same thing as directly talking behind someones back irl, that situation would be much more aking to two or more alliances smacking another, where in my example I liken a single alliance much more to a single person, as although it may contain a great deal of individual consciousness it is in effect a single one(atleast when it is working well) sorry its a bit long winded but wanted to make sure my point came accross as clear as possible and DTee thanks for your respect, those kind of discourses are what this more could see alot more of imo edit: sorry for the spelling and grammar Originally by:** Pinky Denmark Caldari have other options like using rails or train for other ships/weapons...
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.09 02:53:00 - [47] Originally by: Gungankllr Sorry if this seems a bit blunt, but please just make a new post if you feel the need to retort. You should have thought of that before reserving space on the forums and then waiting for nearly an hour to actually finish writing what you wanted to say. Little tip for ya, if you are gonna write a long piece spanning multiple posts, type it out first in notepad or some other document creator and then copy and paste. What you did today on this thread.. was.... well I don't wanna be rude, so I won't say it... Can't help feeling that ASCN as a whole has little or no idea how to deal with the forums.......
BurnYaBad Lynx Frontier Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.09 02:57:00 - [48] Here Here! excellent way to put how all of us in ASCN feel about the current forum spy issue.
Rebellion Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.09 03:07:00 - [49] Edited by: Rebellion on 09/11/2006 03:16:05 Gungankllr: We're under no illusions that our Titan was first. ASCN built theirs first. BoB didn't attack ASCN because it built a Titan. BoB attacked ASCN because it was an alliance that was capable of many things including building a Titan. There's a very important distinction there. We thought you'd be like FIX and take the war in good stride. Then CYVOK showed his paranoid side by thinking MC was out to get ASCN, which was proved to be completely false. Next, everything went south when we discovered how CYVOK and others in your HC were motivating your membership to fight BoB. You will notice that our complaints are directed at your HC and it's because of this, not because of some plot to undermine them in the eyes of your membership. It would have been much better if ASCN acted like FIX did in our war with them. This was not to be while your HC persisted in their style of leadership. We tried, and still try to change it, with our efforts backfiring because your membership, incapable of understanding why an enemy would be concerned, decided that the opposite reaction would be best. Now they consolidate themselves behind a HC that ill serves them, and they suffer for it. I'm not even sure of there are those in ASCN that still believe that BoB is moving to PoTBS. Your membership should have called BS on your leadership and stopped them from continuing the nonsense. I've generally got no beef with the vast majority of ASCN though. Especially the ones that fight in the front lines because they have always been of good humour. If we really hated ASCN, when a group like ANZA whom we have fought a lot in Paragon Soul decided to cease hostilities and withdraw, we would have gone VERBOTEN! on them, but we didn't. As you admitted, your post has an ASCN tilt to it, so I won't nitpick any further. However, I would like to say that you have represented your side much better than CYVOK or - heaven forbid - McCreedy.
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.09 03:43:00 - [50] Edited by: Hardin on 09/11/2006 03:44:31 Originally by: Gungankllr About a week later, CYVOK unveiled the Titan, and all of a sudden Ascendant Frontier became public enemy #1 in the eyes of BoB. Forum posts went up, and immediately the attitudes of BoB soured towards us. There was a few "Looking forwards to good fights" on both sides, but if you look back, it's pretty much negative at that point. What started the war? I think unveiling the titan before BoB rolled out theirs was a large part, but I can't say, since I'm not in BoB. You ASCN boys should have come to the EVE London http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=359303 meet back on 2nd September. It was pretty obvious then (well before Titan was unveiled) that ASCN was the next BoB target. Alcohol fueled intel for the win ------------------------------ Blog's back - for now
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.09 04:19:00 - [51] Hardin, that's something I've always been jealous of... you guys have it relatively easy to hook up with each other in the UK! Ack... definately jealous. Me, I'm in a province in Canada, with roughly the same landmass as England, and with 1/30th the population. Even though we have other Canadians in FIX, I've yet to meet a single one from the same province. /sorry to derail, must be all the buzz around fanfest getting me going. Blog
CamMan Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.09 05:07:00 - [52] Gungankllr, you seem to skip over a lot of the big facts, and focus on some minor details for the sake of making ASCN look like they are in a better position then reality dictates. But that is to be expected from a media liasons officer. You also add your assumptions as to the reasons about this war which from my point of view are all incorrect. That aside, it isnt too bad a post, much better then the previous propaganda machine has put out. I hope this post can begin to decrease the smack that has been thrown back and forth. I look forward to your next post. In a perfect world there would be Gungankllr and DBP just conversing between themselves, without all the other trolls getting involved. That would be a much more entertaining read. Cheers Cam Originally by: Bender Interesting, no the other one ... tedious
Torshin Kydance Radiant Industries Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.09 05:16:00 - [53] DB, i usually agree with you but your flaming is not needed. This is prolly the least biased thread written about the war so far, and while yes it might gloss over numbers it gives a solid overview Krin - forget the rest.
Zaethiel Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.09 05:42:00 - [54] So any BoB members care to enlighten us as to why they started pirating ASCN in their space, being done before the "war" started? _________________________________________
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.09 05:50:00 - [55] Originally by: Zaethiel So any BoB members care to enlighten us as to why they started pirating ASCN in their space, being done before the "war" started? From the time standings were reset (a fair while ago now), we attacked anyone without positive standings. Engaging in PVP does not equal pirating.
Royaldo KVA Noble Inc. THE H0RDE	Posted - 2006.11.09 05:50:00 - [56] they like to pew pew?? some minor fact faults, nothing new.
Zaethiel Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.09 05:57:00 - [57] Originally by: Ab Initio Originally by: Zaethiel So any BoB members care to enlighten us as to why they started pirating ASCN in their space, being done before the "war" started? From the time standings were reset (a fair while ago now), we attacked anyone without positive standings. Engaging in PVP does not equal pirating. And when standings were reset why didn't BoB set ASCN to positive? Seems that ASCN sets anyone an everyone to positive when they can. _________________________________________
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.09 06:02:00 - [58] Originally by: Zaethiel Originally by: Ab Initio Originally by: Zaethiel So any BoB members care to enlighten us as to why they started pirating ASCN in their space, being done before the "war" started? From the time standings were reset (a fair while ago now), we attacked anyone without positive standings. Engaging in PVP does not equal pirating. And when standings were reset why didn't BoB set ASCN to positive? Seems that ASCN sets anyone an everyone to positive when they can. Try focus on the standings reset part of my post..
CamMan Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.09 06:05:00 - [59] Originally by: Torshin DB, i usually agree with you but your flaming is not needed. This is prolly the least biased thread written about the war so far, and while yes it might gloss over numbers it gives a solid overview this thread is far from unbiased, it is written in a very neutral tone which i appluad GK for but he still selectively decided what facts to mention and which ones to leave out. He also added his opinions on things he admits he has no idea on. Which is all fine as it isnt flame bait. I respect GK for his post, all i am saying is that is far from unbiased. Originally by: Torshin So any BoB members care to enlighten us as to why they started pirating ASCN in their space, being done before the "war" started? Torshin, if you look at the map, you will see that ASCN is next to BoB space. ASCN used to have impressive numbers of BS's, and always like to fight. making them a perfect target to go and raid. We were not pirating them as said previously by my brethren in this thread, we were just engaging them. The simple reason is for fun. PvP=most fun in this game. So it was fun for us and fun for the ASCN gangs that engaged us during those times. We started roaming their space once standings were reset. The timing of the war had nothing to do with it. At the time the average BoB pilot had no idea a war was coming. I only say average pilot because i can not speak for the powers that be, as i am just an average BoB pilot. Cheers Cam Originally by: Bender Interesting, no the other one ... tedious
Emrod Amarr Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.11.09 06:30:00 - [60] zzZZZZZZzzzzzzzz
Fire Hawk Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.09 06:54:00 - [61] Originally by: Emrod zzZZZZZZzzzzzzzz Oh you seems to be bored mate. Come down to gq2 to get some action... ____________________________________ omgfrenchpwntbh you are in teh pod.
killerco Gallente Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.09 07:11:00 - [62] Edited by: killerco on 09/11/2006 07:12:03 Originally by: Degarion Soth Erm, I may be missing something but why not write your essay first and then post it? How about having the descentcy(spelling) too wait untill he's finished and then post your smack.(oh wait your bob nvm) Don't be a great man just be a man
Trooper B99 Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.09 07:30:00 - [63] Originally by: killerco Edited by: killerco on 09/11/2006 07:12:03 Originally by: Degarion Soth Erm, I may be missing something but why not write your essay first and then post it? How about having the descentcy(spelling) too wait untill he's finished and then post your smack.(oh wait your bob nvm) Its not exactly smack. Its common to write first then post unless its being used as a good method to heighten what you are going to say if the post is a "biggun". I might be a bit "narked" as well, but luckily it was written well before i got up (FF 4tw). Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
SSgt Sniper	Posted - 2006.11.09 08:10:00 - [64] Edited by: SSgt Sniper on 09/11/2006 08:10:25 In a word, yes. He is allowed to have private thoughts all he wants, he is allowed to blog it all he wants in a private blog. What he is NOT allowed to do is then go around adverting for what he wrote if he is unsure about the factual accuracy. He is also not allowed to *** if he writes a bunch of crap, tells folks about it, then gets war decked by the folks he wrote it about in the first place. ;) Originally by:** Alasse Cuthalion Edited by: Alasse Cuthalion on 09/11/2006 00:25:06 Originally by: Shardrael in all defense DTee those are supposed to be private blogs despite the fact that everyone and their mother has seen them So it's acceptable for your alliance leader to make derogatory and slanderous remarks about us if we don't find out about it? oO
TrippyX The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.09 08:26:00 - [65] Patience is a virtue guys ;) anyways, it pretty much sums it up. Gungan 4tw!
Emrod Amarr Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.11.09 08:31:00 - [66] Originally by: Fire Hawk Originally by: Emrod zzZZZZZZzzzzzzzz Oh you seems to be bored mate. Come down to gq2 to get some action... Hmmm action Why not!!!
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.09 08:48:00 - [67] This account seems to fail to mention the utter diplomatic suicide cyvok went on before the start of the war
eveceo1 Gallente Revival.	Posted - 2006.11.09 08:58:00 - [68] Originally by: Sivona This account seems to fail to mention the utter diplomatic suicide cyvok went on before the start of the war Any leader a semblance of a brain would have done the exact same thing given MC's track record. _______________ Yar!Ö
slothe Caldari Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.11.09 09:08:00 - [69] the only thing that really disappoints me is, like so many times before, that other BoB enemies dont atack when BoB invades someone. In a game like RISK you wait for someone to go on an offensive, then attack them when their weak and spread out. Im extremely surprised that BoB enemies such as D2 , goons and others dont take this opportunity to attack. I know that the gons especially are busy, but i guess the only reason people dont atack BoB is because theirscared. that is the only explanation. I think it would be good for the game if, at times like this, former enemies grouped together and invaded BoB. BoB can, and i think ultimately will, be defeated when this happens.
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.09 09:09:00 - [70] Edited by: Sivona on 09/11/2006 09:08:50 Originally by: eveceo1 Originally by: Sivona This account seems to fail to mention the utter diplomatic suicide cyvok went on before the start of the war Any leader a semblance of a brain would have done the exact same thing given MC's track record. You have no idea what your talking about. Really.
eveceo1 Gallente Revival.	Posted - 2006.11.09 09:17:00 - [71] Originally by: Sivona Edited by: Sivona on 09/11/2006 09:08:50 Originally by: eveceo1 Originally by: Sivona This account seems to fail to mention the utter diplomatic suicide cyvok went on before the start of the war Any leader a semblance of a brain would have done the exact same thing given MC's track record. You have no idea what your talking about. Really. What? The fact that MC have repeatedly attacked BoB targets, the fact that MC lives within BoB space, the fact that Seleene likes to pretend to be Blacklight and the whole sig swap charade. Come now, dont think the eve community so blind not to see whos pulling the puppets strings. False contracts, false intelligence. I'm sure you know who has left MC and told quite a few people about some of the underhanded things going on within MC, theres no need for you to deny it either. So, continue to try and belittle my say with 'you know nothing' because its the comeback of a liar. _______________ Yar!Ö
Francesca Dell'Agio eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.09 10:15:00 - [72] Alright you nutcases :P Leave the MC out of this, this is our war, you got to find your own targets :P WTB: In Game Map Setting: Players logged off in system last 24 hours. Guess why ^^
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.09 10:30:00 - [73] Originally by: eveceo1 Originally by: Sivona Edited by: Sivona on 09/11/2006 09:08:50 Originally by: eveceo1 Originally by: Sivona This account seems to fail to mention the utter diplomatic suicide cyvok went on before the start of the war Any leader a semblance of a brain would have done the exact same thing given MC's track record. You have no idea what your talking about. Really. What? The fact that MC have repeatedly attacked BoB targets, the fact that MC lives within BoB space, the fact that Seleene likes to pretend to be Blacklight and the whole sig swap charade. Come now, dont think the eve community so blind not to see whos pulling the puppets strings. False contracts, false intelligence. I'm sure you know who has left MC and told quite a few people about some of the underhanded things going on within MC, theres no need for you to deny it either. So, continue to try and belittle my say with 'you know nothing' because its the comeback of a liar. OK lets break this down. Originally by: eveceo1 What? The fact that MC have repeatedly attacked BoB targets, the fact that MC lives within BoB space TBH most of eve is targets for BoB, i would say at least 95% are considered free to kill with the NBSI policy and resetting of standings still in place. Its actually pretty hard to find a target who BoB wouldn't consider targets. MC lives within their own little enclave, apart from 1-n shopping village the rest is off-limits to BoB (and any other nosey bugger for that matter), regardless the fact remains we live in what the map makers would call their space. Put simply this game requires you to have a 0.0 prescense, so we need space and we want space which is high quality and we dont get bothered to often. Really can you suggest anywhere better and someone who wouldn't leap at the oppotunities we have? Originally by: eveceo1 the fact that Seleene likes to pretend to be Blacklight and the whole sig swap charade. You dont have a sense of humour do you? For anyone who doesn't get it as we are constantly accused of being BoB alts we decided to swap signatures (increasing tinfoil hat sales etc), i think everyone else saw it for the joke it was, i'm sorry you dind't we always try and be light hearted on the forums as things do get heated. I'm splitting this into 2 parts to make it clearer as they are seperate issues. Originally by: eveceo1 False contracts I'm sure you know who has left MC and told quite a few people about some of the underhanded things going on within MC, theres no need for you to deny it either. Actually there is, there is a complete need to deny it, because it is fundamentally untrue. It is without a doubt true that some corps and people left the MC recently, i've never wished them anything but good luck because they've got different views to what we have and thats fair enough. Personally i dont think they have a future, its just not the way that eve is driving but i think we will all wait and see what happens. Unfortunately there has been some bitterness some the split and some bridges have been burned, there is no such thing as a single guilty party and a lot of this mess could have been avoided by more clarity however i feel absolutely convinced that the MC has always had a contractor. I cannot however prove this to you, due to the whole client confidentiality thing. Please just remember your infomation sources are in no way unbiased, who didn't want to take part in what they call 'seleene's empire', personnaly i think it is utterly amazing what 80-100 dedicated players can achieve and the fear and respect they inspire by their actions, but thats just me and those who dont share my visions i wish the absolute best of luck to elsewhere. Originally by: eveceo1 false intelligence. And this is what really caused this whole mess and I am allowed to quote on this issue at least.
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.09 10:31:00 - [74] Originally by: Cyvok However if any of you have been paying attention you will have noticed that BoB & the MC have already moved at least 50 capital ships into northern Stain. They started to do this in a big way about 2 days ago This was based on completely spurious intel. The actual force was a movement through stain by trooper from y-c (and another of his characters, canÆt remember who) of a nidhogger and naglfar, as it was easier to move the modules down with the freighters his ships were completely unfitted. This was fine right up to the point he got camped in by 6 battleships at which point me and seleene jumped our thanatosÆs onto the station and we all jumped out to ISS Fabrico together. That was the sum of our incursions into stain, 3 carriers and a dread, 2 of which were unfitted. When you think of it 50 capships is ludicrous in the extreme from an 80-100 man alliance, ascn and bob with all their resources and numbers to my knowledge have never fielded this number at once. Anyone with any common sense could dismiss this intel with ease, however it was not and through a series of diplomatic blunders Cyvok landed his alliance in this mess. I hope this clears up my comments for you, if you still feel aggrieved about our position IÆm truly sorry but there is a limit to what I personally can do to make you see the facts.
Rebellion Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.09 10:42:00 - [75] Don't get baited by Aneu (eveceo1). He's been trolling for 2 years straight now. He has defined his EVE existence as such.
eveceo1 Gallente Revival.	Posted - 2006.11.09 10:48:00 - [76] Originally by: Rebellion Don't get baited by Aneu (eveceo1). He's been trolling for 2 years straight now. He has defined his EVE existence as such. Says the person from the alliance which is based on forum smack. _______________ Yar!Ö
eveceo1 Gallente Revival.	Posted - 2006.11.09 10:51:00 - [77] Sivona my dear, i don't have the time nor inclination to go through it piece by piece with you. Suffice to say you believe what you want to believe, and i will believe what i know to be true. MC has had false contracts, that is a fact - Velsharoon would attest to that. As for MC not attacking ASCN, well i thinks that more down to the fact that Cyvok called Seleene's bluff and reset standings which, i take it, was a big shock to MC since they generally like to do that them selfs before claiming 'they shot us first' _______________ Yar!Ö
Gungankllr Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.09 11:02:00 - [78] READ MY ENTIRE POST, ENGAGE BRAIN THEN ENGAGE KEYBOARD PLEASE I'm sorry if anyone in MC was offended by the standings reset, but it was done in the interest of safety for the Ascendant Frontier at the time. Imagine for a second, that you're standing on a set of train tracks, watching a train coming at you. You then realize there's another train coming at you down the tracks from a different direction. In your case, your train switched tracks and went a different direction. At the time, considering your history with BoB, your location of your residence, and the fact that as far as we knew, you didn't have a current contract, I think the standings reset was a prudent measure at the time. Moving on. Let's talk for a moment about "morale blogs" as so coined by BoB. Apparently you are all super offended by posts made in our private forums. This is the same issue that came up during your FA campaign, when internal posts were dropped on the Eve-Online forums and you all went "Woe is me" for somebody saying something about you privately. I went through every forum blog that CYVOK made since the war started, and every single one, I didn't find anything that wasn't considered true AT THAT TIME. For instance, when you guys were always able to log in far faster than ASCN when a node dropped, the belief was you guys were doing something improper to be able to do that. Moving on. John McReedy. John's a pretty passionate guy. He loves Eve, he loves ASCN. I've seen the guy run marathon gaming sessions, while balancing the rest of his life. Sometimes John says what is on his mind without fully examining the repercussions. Bottom line, everyone in ASCN has a lot of respect for John, even with his little quirks. I'm sure there's more to cover, but I've got 30 minutes before I need to be out the door for work. If anyone has questions, drop them below, I'll get to them in about 14 hours. Hidden in this signature is a secret message. I like pie.
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.09 11:06:00 - [79] Originally by: slothe the only thing that really disappoints me is, like so many times before, that other BoB enemies dont atack when BoB invades someone. In a game like RISK you wait for someone to go on an offensive, then attack them when their weak and spread out. Im extremely surprised that BoB enemies such as D2 , goons and others dont take this opportunity to attack. I know that the gons especially are busy, but i guess the only reason people dont atack BoB is because theirscared. that is the only explanation. I think it would be good for the game if, at times like this, former enemies grouped together and invaded BoB. BoB can, and i think ultimately will, be defeated when this happens. To be honest I've thought about this too and I don't understand it either. I'm ex-BoB and I know how elite BoB are, boB would probably crush everyone trying to attack their, don't know if you remember when 7 alliances (think it was 7) tried to hold the station in querious (9qu or something?), they lost. I'd be scared of BoB too if I was agaisnt them or in their black book. They can be beaten though, people are jsut too scared to have a little fun even if they do loose all their isk, that's what eve is for. Euro Empire/0.0 Gang PvP Recruitment
Mynas Atoch Caldari Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.09 12:31:00 - [80] Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 09/11/2006 12:35:56 Originally by: eveceo1 As for MC not attacking ASCN, well i thinks that more down to the fact that Cyvok called Seleene's bluff and reset standings which, i take it, was a big shock to MC since they generally like to do that them selfs before claiming 'they shot us first' So if I'm reading you right here, The Unity War, and MC coming in with their Capital fleet to finish it off was all staged so MC could pretend they hadn't intended to attack ASCN? And the subsequent assault by McFIX on IAC was yet another invented contract acting as a fig leaf for MC being scared to attack ASCN now that ASCN knew they were.. er were not .. or was that were? hostile. Of course .. now it all makes so much sense!!! We have sorely missed your acute analytical skills and political analysis during recent events .. surely you could have explained all this to the EVE-O community earlier, when ISS were being accused of using MC to expand their office space in Catch. Myn
Qual Gallente EMO Erotic Holoreel Studios	Posted - 2006.11.09 12:40:00 - [81] Originally by: Gungankllr I went through every forum blog that CYVOK made since the war started, and every single one, I didn't find anything that wasn't considered true AT THAT TIME. For instance, when you guys were always able to log in far faster than ASCN when a node dropped, the belief was you guys were doing something improper to be able to do that. So if I said ASCN was loosing bad, thier morale was broken, and that HC is ripping off ASCN members before leaving you all to die, that would be ok, be course thats how it looks right now? Thats just rubbish. Of course you cant as a responsible leader go and throw around crap like that without hard evidence. Else its just cheap propaganda and nothing else. It wasn't true at the time, its not true now, THATS what counts. Do think a bit yourself before posting, especially given the fact you expect the same from everyone else. "The short version: Qual is right." -Papa Smurf
thoth foc Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.11.09 13:57:00 - [82] Originally by: Gungankllr I went through every forum blog that CYVOK made since the war started, and every single one, I didn't find anything that wasn't considered true AT THAT TIME. For instance, when you guys were always able to log in far faster than ASCN when a node dropped, the belief was you guys were doing something improper to be able to do that. tbh, while a valiant attempt to justify calling ppl cheats solely based on the fact you lost a few fights.. i think i'm still going to mark it "must try harder".. Members join and leave BOB, can you honestly believe, given there was absolutely no evidence of this, that there could be an alliance wide secret of "special nodes" or uber login tricks. Have you ever tried to keep a secret within the odd 1600 chars.. Is it really a surprise not everyone thinks the ppl that propagated this, arent completely logical? i know hinder sight is great.. but really this was a little pie in the sky :s >: )
Shardrael Caldari AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.09 15:45:00 - [83] Edited by: Shardrael on 09/11/2006 15:58:38 Edited by: Shardrael on 09/11/2006 15:45:28 given that you guys just built a titan without the whole member base knowing I am gonna have to say yes it is possible , but the decision to call people whatever was not made on the outcome of the fights but how it went down, being on the fields then I can attest to what was said and thought. The situation was simple if we were guarding a gate or involved in a fleet fight and the node crashed we would all try and log back in right away, proceeding to get stuck in the login que for around 5-10 mins usually upon arriving back in we would be picked off one by one while the bob fleet seemed to have a majority of its fleet in position and ready to go. I am not personally saying you cheated as I have no idea, all I am saying is that it seemed odd at the time that this was the way node crashes were resolved every time, and in that thought I can see where alot would want to call you cheaters. May not be true at all but this is where the idea comes from and should not be taken as a personal affront especially when pulled from our internal discussions. doesnt mean I agree with the sentiment just saying it is not outside the realm of possibility let me take you back to my days of CS and source when in a match and getting consistently gunned down by someone in a certain situation after a while most people would call them a hacker as there is no way they believe they could be beaten so easily. Sometimes there were hackers doing something but a vast majority of the time there werent, I know personally whenever I was called a hacker in those games it instilled great pride in me, because there was no other explanation my opponent had for my skill then I must be cheating. and therein lies my dilema I am confused.... I have seen the other games you guys have played, I have even gone in them a bit(mostly 2142 as of late) and some of your players are quite skilled which would lead me to believe they have encountered situations similar to this one in the past, why choose to take it as a derogatory comment, if you dont use hacks as you claim then why get mad, why not choose to be happy someone said that? honest question here not bait or anything, you had an alliance venting(internally) that you were cheating if I was playing against someone and they were saying that I would be pleased as **ed, not because they insulted my honor(what I do not do I know full well and as such dont become affended by claims otherwise)but because they lacked an explanation for my skill(i.e. I was playing at a lvl so far above theirs they could not perceive of how I accomplished it) sorry for the long winded post again I seemed to be getting carried away on here lately Originally by:** Pinky Denmark Caldari have other options like using rails or train for other ships/weapons...
Alasse Cuthalion TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.09 16:25:00 - [84] Originally by: SSgt Sniper In a word, yes. He is allowed to have private thoughts all he wants, he is allowed to blog it all he wants in a private blog. What he is NOT allowed to do is then go around adverting for what he wrote if he is unsure about the factual accuracy. He is also not allowed to *** if he writes a bunch of crap, tells folks about it, then gets war decked by the folks he wrote it about in the first place. ;) Everyone is entitled to their own "private thoughts" but when they start spouting utter bull** and trying to persuade several thousand other people that his own "private thoughts" are true then it's a major problem.
Alasse Cuthalion TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.09 16:26:00 - [85] Originally by: Shardrael given that you guys just built a titan without the whole member base knowing Says who? I'd be utterly amazed if there was anyone in BoB that didn't know what Evol were doing.
Alasse Cuthalion TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.09 16:33:00 - [86] Originally by: Shardrael Stuff Fair enough, but do you honestly believe that a forum accessable by several thousand people is anything like "private"? Especially when you're already aware that your security is somewhat akin to a sieve with a hole the size of Mt Everest in it? More to the point, where slander is concerned it doesn't matter if the person/organisation involved sees it first hand or not, at the end of the day someone is making up disgraceful remarks with the intention of slandering our reputation.
Abriana Overlord Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.09 16:36:00 - [87] Originally by: Gungankllr On a final note, some members of the Ascendancy have come on these forums and have belittled members of BoB out of game (The you live in your mom's basement type stuff) For that I'd like to apologize. Accepted and ty
thoth foc Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.11.09 16:45:00 - [88] Originally by: Shardrael why choose to take it as a derogatory comment, if you dont use hacks as you claim then why get mad.. You misunderstand me, i dont care what other ppl say or think.. i dont take responsibility for other ppl's stupidity.. that doesnt mean i dont notice it.. my main interest is noting is Gungankllr response.. >: )
Helplessandlost Minmatar Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.09 17:24:00 - [89] Edited by: Helplessandlost on 09/11/2006 17:25:22 Originally by: Gungankllr READ MY ENTIRE POST, ENGAGE BRAIN THEN ENGAGE KEYBOARD PLEASE I like pancakes That's all you need to say "Don't take life too seriously, nobody gets out alive!"
Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.09 17:44:00 - [90] Originally by: eveceo1 Sivona my dear, i don't have the time nor inclination to go through it piece by piece with you. Suffice to say you believe what you want to believe, and i will believe what i know to be true. MC has had false contracts, that is a fact - Velsharoon would attest to that. As for MC not attacking ASCN, well i thinks that more down to the fact that Cyvok called Seleene's bluff and reset standings which, i take it, was a big shock to MC since they generally like to do that them selfs before claiming 'they shot us first' So we're not attacking ASCN because they set standings against us back when, even though we do fake contracts, right I get it now.
Torshin Kydance Radiant Industries Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.09 18:04:00 - [91] Originally by: CamMan Originally by: Torshin DB, i usually agree with you but your flaming is not needed. This is prolly the least biased thread written about the war so far, and while yes it might gloss over numbers it gives a solid overview this thread is far from unbiased, it is written in a very neutral tone which i appluad GK for but he still selectively decided what facts to mention and which ones to leave out. He also added his opinions on things he admits he has no idea on. Which is all fine as it isnt flame bait. I respect GK for his post, all i am saying is that is far from unbiased. Originally by: Torshin So any BoB members care to enlighten us as to why they started pirating ASCN in their space, being done before the "war" started? Torshin, snip snip Cheers Cam two quick points least biased means something slightly different then unbiased the 2nd quote you chose to use was posted by Zaethiel Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Allianc I have nothing against BOB PVPing and I do know where your's and ASCNs space is. Krin - forget the rest.
Shardrael Caldari AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.09 19:06:00 - [92] Originally by: Alasse Cuthalion Originally by: Shardrael Stuff Fair enough, but do you honestly believe that a forum accessable by several thousand people is anything like "private"? Especially when you're already aware that your security is somewhat akin to a sieve with a hole the size of Mt Everest in it? More to the point, where slander is concerned it doesn't matter if the person/organisation involved sees it first hand or not, at the end of the day someone is making up disgraceful remarks with the intention of slandering our reputation. ok like I said before i liken an alliances internal forums[read=private] to the thoughts of an individual, if that individual thinks something bad about someone else is it slander? no.. websters: slan‧der /ˈslµndər/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[slan-der] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation ûnoun 1. defamation; calumny: rumors full of slander. 2. a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report: a slander against his good name. 3. Law. defamation by oral utterance rather than by writing, pictures, etc. ûverb (used with object) 4. to utter slander against; defame. ûverb (used without object) 5. to utter or circulate slander. its number 3 I am most interested in, regardless of the fact that your organization is so want to invade our private forums and use selected information to paint whatever picture you please, they are and always will be our internal private forums.... that does not change because someone wrongfully gains access or reposts without permission the information contained therein. there are thousands that read them this is true, but those thousands make up a single entity, and the forums provide a place for that entity to discuss thoughts feelings and plans away from prying eyes in a safe environment to have such discourse. The fact that some of you go out of their way to find talk directed at them in a negative manner is indicative of something far different that I dont want to get into in GK's thread, I am merely pointing out the futility in complaining about comments that were not directed at you, consider that for a moment.... they were not directed at you... they may have been in regards to BOB but they were not directed at them. if we want to direct something at all of you we will come on here and do just that but knowing that our internal forum is just that... internal then those comments are only directed at our members. add to this fact that what was copied in the first place was in effect propaganda(before ascn gets too **ed at me for saying this, anything uttered by a leader or organizer in an attempt to help or harm someone in a time of war is just that regardless of the contents of the message) back to websters: prop‧a‧gan‧da /ˌprɒpəˈgµndə/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[prop-uh-gan-duh] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation ûnoun 1. information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc. so you are in effect complaining about a piece of propaganda, whether its true or not is irrelevant as more often then not propaganda has a way of serving its point regardless of the amount of truth contained therein. now you may stick to the talking behind someones back analogy, however I have tried to point out that when dealing with one alliance feeling hurt over what another alliance said, an individual within that alliance does not fit the bill of talking behind anothers back but more fits the analogy of thougts contained within someones mind.... Originally by:** Pinky Denmark Caldari have other options like using rails or train for other ships/weapons...
Shardrael Caldari AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.09 19:11:00 - [93] so after all that let me answer your two questions I quoted. 1.) yes I do believe our alliance forums are private as we do not purposefully allow anyone access that is not a member of our alliance to any private forums, there is even a division between public and private forums, the fact that you have wrongly gained access to them does not and will never change the fact that they are private. the word you were looking for was secure I believe 2.)no I do not aggree, as I said the remarks were not made with the intent of slandering your organization as they were not directed anywhere but to ourselve in an attempt to boost morale or whatever, they were are and always will be propaganda designed to aid us in our fight against you, I dont care if cyvok says BOB eat babies and are paying off ccp members by selling isk on ebay.... if it is on our internal forums it is not written as slander but as propaganda for our own troops to see. for any that would like to say omg see see ascn use propaganda to brainwash there alliancestep back and realize that every single corp or alliance in this game involved politically with anything more then an asteroid uses propaganda on a regular basis and dont get your panties in a bunch sorry for spelling and grammar errors Originally by: Pinky Denmark Caldari have other options like using rails or train for other ships/weapons...
Velsharoon Gallente Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.11.09 20:04:00 - [94] Edited by: Velsharoon on 09/11/2006 20:19:19 Originally by: eveceo1 Sivona my dear, i don't have the time nor inclination to go through it piece by piece with you. Suffice to say you believe what you want to believe, and i will believe what i know to be true. MC has had false contracts, that is a fact - Velsharoon would attest to that. As for MC not attacking ASCN, well i thinks that more down to the fact that Cyvok called Seleene's bluff and reset standings which, i take it, was a big shock to MC since they generally like to do that them selfs before claiming 'they shot us first' orly Edit: I just wanted your moneys, Cap 2 BPO right?
Nira Li Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.09 20:07:00 - [95] Nice post Gungankllr altough I was hopping that you guys would have more will to fight, this feels to much like the Xetic war the only difference is that now we have a lot of POS's to kill and CLS hasn't left the alliance. I personally wont accept any apologies untill your alliance is gone and get a personal apology from CYVOK and McCreedy (whisfull thinking ) You Will Cry My Name
Drusus Rensus Gallente Klima Galactic	Posted - 2006.11.09 23:18:00 - [96] I get a chuckle out of all the fuss made about what ASCN did or did not put on their private forums. When I played ball, it was a well known, standing order from the coaches that you didn't smack talk about the opposing team in public before a game. Why? Well, not because the coaches didn't think it was nice. It was because anything that made it into the a the local or college newspaper would absolutely, positively be read to the opposition by their coaches to get them keyed up for the game. Did that stop us from talking smack in the locker room? Nah, and if the other side had had spies in the locker room with tape recorders, I'm sure they'd have gotten some juicy things to take back and get their team hyped up on. But, we didn't have that worry. If it had come to light that someone was employing locker room spies the NCAA would have slamed them so hard they would have bounced. See, there's this pesky notion of fair play and ethical conduct when it comes to sports, since it's just a game, you know. For better or worse, guys, you have no locker room where you can huddle up and talk smack out of earshot of the other side. Lesson learned: Say just what you want them to hear (and run to these boards with) and only that.
Alasse Cuthalion TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.10 14:00:00 - [97] Shardrael, I'm not going to get drawn in to an argument over semantics. Suffice to say, the longer your leadership makes such idiotic comments as "BoB h4x" or "BoB crashes nodes on purpose" or other such sillyness the longer we will continue to disect those posts in public. If you don't lie then we don't need to correct them, capiche?

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