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Fire Hawk Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.09 06:54:00 - [61] Originally by: Emrod zzZZZZZZzzzzzzzz Oh you seems to be bored mate. Come down to gq2 to get some action... ____________________________________ omgfrenchpwntbh you are in teh pod.
killerco Gallente Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.09 07:11:00 - [62] Edited by: killerco on 09/11/2006 07:12:03 Originally by: Degarion Soth Erm, I may be missing something but why not write your essay first and then post it? How about having the descentcy(spelling) too wait untill he's finished and then post your smack.(oh wait your bob nvm) Don't be a great man just be a man
Trooper B99 Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.09 07:30:00 - [63] Originally by: killerco Edited by: killerco on 09/11/2006 07:12:03 Originally by: Degarion Soth Erm, I may be missing something but why not write your essay first and then post it? How about having the descentcy(spelling) too wait untill he's finished and then post your smack.(oh wait your bob nvm) Its not exactly smack. Its common to write first then post unless its being used as a good method to heighten what you are going to say if the post is a "biggun". I might be a bit "narked" as well, but luckily it was written well before i got up (FF 4tw). Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
SSgt Sniper	Posted - 2006.11.09 08:10:00 - [64] Edited by: SSgt Sniper on 09/11/2006 08:10:25 In a word, yes. He is allowed to have private thoughts all he wants, he is allowed to blog it all he wants in a private blog. What he is NOT allowed to do is then go around adverting for what he wrote if he is unsure about the factual accuracy. He is also not allowed to *** if he writes a bunch of crap, tells folks about it, then gets war decked by the folks he wrote it about in the first place. ;) Originally by:** Alasse Cuthalion Edited by: Alasse Cuthalion on 09/11/2006 00:25:06 Originally by: Shardrael in all defense DTee those are supposed to be private blogs despite the fact that everyone and their mother has seen them So it's acceptable for your alliance leader to make derogatory and slanderous remarks about us if we don't find out about it? oO
TrippyX The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.09 08:26:00 - [65] Patience is a virtue guys ;) anyways, it pretty much sums it up. Gungan 4tw!
Emrod Amarr Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.11.09 08:31:00 - [66] Originally by: Fire Hawk Originally by: Emrod zzZZZZZZzzzzzzzz Oh you seems to be bored mate. Come down to gq2 to get some action... Hmmm action Why not!!!
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.09 08:48:00 - [67] This account seems to fail to mention the utter diplomatic suicide cyvok went on before the start of the war
eveceo1 Gallente Revival.	Posted - 2006.11.09 08:58:00 - [68] Originally by: Sivona This account seems to fail to mention the utter diplomatic suicide cyvok went on before the start of the war Any leader a semblance of a brain would have done the exact same thing given MC's track record. _______________ Yar!Ö
slothe Caldari Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.11.09 09:08:00 - [69] the only thing that really disappoints me is, like so many times before, that other BoB enemies dont atack when BoB invades someone. In a game like RISK you wait for someone to go on an offensive, then attack them when their weak and spread out. Im extremely surprised that BoB enemies such as D2 , goons and others dont take this opportunity to attack. I know that the gons especially are busy, but i guess the only reason people dont atack BoB is because theirscared. that is the only explanation. I think it would be good for the game if, at times like this, former enemies grouped together and invaded BoB. BoB can, and i think ultimately will, be defeated when this happens.
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.09 09:09:00 - [70] Edited by: Sivona on 09/11/2006 09:08:50 Originally by: eveceo1 Originally by: Sivona This account seems to fail to mention the utter diplomatic suicide cyvok went on before the start of the war Any leader a semblance of a brain would have done the exact same thing given MC's track record. You have no idea what your talking about. Really.
eveceo1 Gallente Revival.	Posted - 2006.11.09 09:17:00 - [71] Originally by: Sivona Edited by: Sivona on 09/11/2006 09:08:50 Originally by: eveceo1 Originally by: Sivona This account seems to fail to mention the utter diplomatic suicide cyvok went on before the start of the war Any leader a semblance of a brain would have done the exact same thing given MC's track record. You have no idea what your talking about. Really. What? The fact that MC have repeatedly attacked BoB targets, the fact that MC lives within BoB space, the fact that Seleene likes to pretend to be Blacklight and the whole sig swap charade. Come now, dont think the eve community so blind not to see whos pulling the puppets strings. False contracts, false intelligence. I'm sure you know who has left MC and told quite a few people about some of the underhanded things going on within MC, theres no need for you to deny it either. So, continue to try and belittle my say with 'you know nothing' because its the comeback of a liar. _______________ Yar!Ö
Francesca Dell'Agio eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.09 10:15:00 - [72] Alright you nutcases :P Leave the MC out of this, this is our war, you got to find your own targets :P WTB: In Game Map Setting: Players logged off in system last 24 hours. Guess why ^^
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.09 10:30:00 - [73] Originally by: eveceo1 Originally by: Sivona Edited by: Sivona on 09/11/2006 09:08:50 Originally by: eveceo1 Originally by: Sivona This account seems to fail to mention the utter diplomatic suicide cyvok went on before the start of the war Any leader a semblance of a brain would have done the exact same thing given MC's track record. You have no idea what your talking about. Really. What? The fact that MC have repeatedly attacked BoB targets, the fact that MC lives within BoB space, the fact that Seleene likes to pretend to be Blacklight and the whole sig swap charade. Come now, dont think the eve community so blind not to see whos pulling the puppets strings. False contracts, false intelligence. I'm sure you know who has left MC and told quite a few people about some of the underhanded things going on within MC, theres no need for you to deny it either. So, continue to try and belittle my say with 'you know nothing' because its the comeback of a liar. OK lets break this down. Originally by: eveceo1 What? The fact that MC have repeatedly attacked BoB targets, the fact that MC lives within BoB space TBH most of eve is targets for BoB, i would say at least 95% are considered free to kill with the NBSI policy and resetting of standings still in place. Its actually pretty hard to find a target who BoB wouldn't consider targets. MC lives within their own little enclave, apart from 1-n shopping village the rest is off-limits to BoB (and any other nosey bugger for that matter), regardless the fact remains we live in what the map makers would call their space. Put simply this game requires you to have a 0.0 prescense, so we need space and we want space which is high quality and we dont get bothered to often. Really can you suggest anywhere better and someone who wouldn't leap at the oppotunities we have? Originally by: eveceo1 the fact that Seleene likes to pretend to be Blacklight and the whole sig swap charade. You dont have a sense of humour do you? For anyone who doesn't get it as we are constantly accused of being BoB alts we decided to swap signatures (increasing tinfoil hat sales etc), i think everyone else saw it for the joke it was, i'm sorry you dind't we always try and be light hearted on the forums as things do get heated. I'm splitting this into 2 parts to make it clearer as they are seperate issues. Originally by: eveceo1 False contracts I'm sure you know who has left MC and told quite a few people about some of the underhanded things going on within MC, theres no need for you to deny it either. Actually there is, there is a complete need to deny it, because it is fundamentally untrue. It is without a doubt true that some corps and people left the MC recently, i've never wished them anything but good luck because they've got different views to what we have and thats fair enough. Personally i dont think they have a future, its just not the way that eve is driving but i think we will all wait and see what happens. Unfortunately there has been some bitterness some the split and some bridges have been burned, there is no such thing as a single guilty party and a lot of this mess could have been avoided by more clarity however i feel absolutely convinced that the MC has always had a contractor. I cannot however prove this to you, due to the whole client confidentiality thing. Please just remember your infomation sources are in no way unbiased, who didn't want to take part in what they call 'seleene's empire', personnaly i think it is utterly amazing what 80-100 dedicated players can achieve and the fear and respect they inspire by their actions, but thats just me and those who dont share my visions i wish the absolute best of luck to elsewhere. Originally by: eveceo1 false intelligence. And this is what really caused this whole mess and I am allowed to quote on this issue at least.
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.09 10:31:00 - [74] Originally by: Cyvok However if any of you have been paying attention you will have noticed that BoB & the MC have already moved at least 50 capital ships into northern Stain. They started to do this in a big way about 2 days ago This was based on completely spurious intel. The actual force was a movement through stain by trooper from y-c (and another of his characters, canÆt remember who) of a nidhogger and naglfar, as it was easier to move the modules down with the freighters his ships were completely unfitted. This was fine right up to the point he got camped in by 6 battleships at which point me and seleene jumped our thanatosÆs onto the station and we all jumped out to ISS Fabrico together. That was the sum of our incursions into stain, 3 carriers and a dread, 2 of which were unfitted. When you think of it 50 capships is ludicrous in the extreme from an 80-100 man alliance, ascn and bob with all their resources and numbers to my knowledge have never fielded this number at once. Anyone with any common sense could dismiss this intel with ease, however it was not and through a series of diplomatic blunders Cyvok landed his alliance in this mess. I hope this clears up my comments for you, if you still feel aggrieved about our position IÆm truly sorry but there is a limit to what I personally can do to make you see the facts.
Rebellion Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.09 10:42:00 - [75] Don't get baited by Aneu (eveceo1). He's been trolling for 2 years straight now. He has defined his EVE existence as such.
eveceo1 Gallente Revival.	Posted - 2006.11.09 10:48:00 - [76] Originally by: Rebellion Don't get baited by Aneu (eveceo1). He's been trolling for 2 years straight now. He has defined his EVE existence as such. Says the person from the alliance which is based on forum smack. _______________ Yar!Ö
eveceo1 Gallente Revival.	Posted - 2006.11.09 10:51:00 - [77] Sivona my dear, i don't have the time nor inclination to go through it piece by piece with you. Suffice to say you believe what you want to believe, and i will believe what i know to be true. MC has had false contracts, that is a fact - Velsharoon would attest to that. As for MC not attacking ASCN, well i thinks that more down to the fact that Cyvok called Seleene's bluff and reset standings which, i take it, was a big shock to MC since they generally like to do that them selfs before claiming 'they shot us first' _______________ Yar!Ö
Gungankllr Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.09 11:02:00 - [78] READ MY ENTIRE POST, ENGAGE BRAIN THEN ENGAGE KEYBOARD PLEASE I'm sorry if anyone in MC was offended by the standings reset, but it was done in the interest of safety for the Ascendant Frontier at the time. Imagine for a second, that you're standing on a set of train tracks, watching a train coming at you. You then realize there's another train coming at you down the tracks from a different direction. In your case, your train switched tracks and went a different direction. At the time, considering your history with BoB, your location of your residence, and the fact that as far as we knew, you didn't have a current contract, I think the standings reset was a prudent measure at the time. Moving on. Let's talk for a moment about "morale blogs" as so coined by BoB. Apparently you are all super offended by posts made in our private forums. This is the same issue that came up during your FA campaign, when internal posts were dropped on the Eve-Online forums and you all went "Woe is me" for somebody saying something about you privately. I went through every forum blog that CYVOK made since the war started, and every single one, I didn't find anything that wasn't considered true AT THAT TIME. For instance, when you guys were always able to log in far faster than ASCN when a node dropped, the belief was you guys were doing something improper to be able to do that. Moving on. John McReedy. John's a pretty passionate guy. He loves Eve, he loves ASCN. I've seen the guy run marathon gaming sessions, while balancing the rest of his life. Sometimes John says what is on his mind without fully examining the repercussions. Bottom line, everyone in ASCN has a lot of respect for John, even with his little quirks. I'm sure there's more to cover, but I've got 30 minutes before I need to be out the door for work. If anyone has questions, drop them below, I'll get to them in about 14 hours. Hidden in this signature is a secret message. I like pie.
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.09 11:06:00 - [79] Originally by: slothe the only thing that really disappoints me is, like so many times before, that other BoB enemies dont atack when BoB invades someone. In a game like RISK you wait for someone to go on an offensive, then attack them when their weak and spread out. Im extremely surprised that BoB enemies such as D2 , goons and others dont take this opportunity to attack. I know that the gons especially are busy, but i guess the only reason people dont atack BoB is because theirscared. that is the only explanation. I think it would be good for the game if, at times like this, former enemies grouped together and invaded BoB. BoB can, and i think ultimately will, be defeated when this happens. To be honest I've thought about this too and I don't understand it either. I'm ex-BoB and I know how elite BoB are, boB would probably crush everyone trying to attack their, don't know if you remember when 7 alliances (think it was 7) tried to hold the station in querious (9qu or something?), they lost. I'd be scared of BoB too if I was agaisnt them or in their black book. They can be beaten though, people are jsut too scared to have a little fun even if they do loose all their isk, that's what eve is for. Euro Empire/0.0 Gang PvP Recruitment
Mynas Atoch Caldari Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.09 12:31:00 - [80] Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 09/11/2006 12:35:56 Originally by: eveceo1 As for MC not attacking ASCN, well i thinks that more down to the fact that Cyvok called Seleene's bluff and reset standings which, i take it, was a big shock to MC since they generally like to do that them selfs before claiming 'they shot us first' So if I'm reading you right here, The Unity War, and MC coming in with their Capital fleet to finish it off was all staged so MC could pretend they hadn't intended to attack ASCN? And the subsequent assault by McFIX on IAC was yet another invented contract acting as a fig leaf for MC being scared to attack ASCN now that ASCN knew they were.. er were not .. or was that were? hostile. Of course .. now it all makes so much sense!!! We have sorely missed your acute analytical skills and political analysis during recent events .. surely you could have explained all this to the EVE-O community earlier, when ISS were being accused of using MC to expand their office space in Catch. Myn
Qual Gallente EMO Erotic Holoreel Studios	Posted - 2006.11.09 12:40:00 - [81] Originally by: Gungankllr I went through every forum blog that CYVOK made since the war started, and every single one, I didn't find anything that wasn't considered true AT THAT TIME. For instance, when you guys were always able to log in far faster than ASCN when a node dropped, the belief was you guys were doing something improper to be able to do that. So if I said ASCN was loosing bad, thier morale was broken, and that HC is ripping off ASCN members before leaving you all to die, that would be ok, be course thats how it looks right now? Thats just rubbish. Of course you cant as a responsible leader go and throw around crap like that without hard evidence. Else its just cheap propaganda and nothing else. It wasn't true at the time, its not true now, THATS what counts. Do think a bit yourself before posting, especially given the fact you expect the same from everyone else. "The short version: Qual is right." -Papa Smurf
thoth foc Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.11.09 13:57:00 - [82] Originally by: Gungankllr I went through every forum blog that CYVOK made since the war started, and every single one, I didn't find anything that wasn't considered true AT THAT TIME. For instance, when you guys were always able to log in far faster than ASCN when a node dropped, the belief was you guys were doing something improper to be able to do that. tbh, while a valiant attempt to justify calling ppl cheats solely based on the fact you lost a few fights.. i think i'm still going to mark it "must try harder".. Members join and leave BOB, can you honestly believe, given there was absolutely no evidence of this, that there could be an alliance wide secret of "special nodes" or uber login tricks. Have you ever tried to keep a secret within the odd 1600 chars.. Is it really a surprise not everyone thinks the ppl that propagated this, arent completely logical? i know hinder sight is great.. but really this was a little pie in the sky :s >: )
Shardrael Caldari AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.09 15:45:00 - [83] Edited by: Shardrael on 09/11/2006 15:58:38 Edited by: Shardrael on 09/11/2006 15:45:28 given that you guys just built a titan without the whole member base knowing I am gonna have to say yes it is possible , but the decision to call people whatever was not made on the outcome of the fights but how it went down, being on the fields then I can attest to what was said and thought. The situation was simple if we were guarding a gate or involved in a fleet fight and the node crashed we would all try and log back in right away, proceeding to get stuck in the login que for around 5-10 mins usually upon arriving back in we would be picked off one by one while the bob fleet seemed to have a majority of its fleet in position and ready to go. I am not personally saying you cheated as I have no idea, all I am saying is that it seemed odd at the time that this was the way node crashes were resolved every time, and in that thought I can see where alot would want to call you cheaters. May not be true at all but this is where the idea comes from and should not be taken as a personal affront especially when pulled from our internal discussions. doesnt mean I agree with the sentiment just saying it is not outside the realm of possibility let me take you back to my days of CS and source when in a match and getting consistently gunned down by someone in a certain situation after a while most people would call them a hacker as there is no way they believe they could be beaten so easily. Sometimes there were hackers doing something but a vast majority of the time there werent, I know personally whenever I was called a hacker in those games it instilled great pride in me, because there was no other explanation my opponent had for my skill then I must be cheating. and therein lies my dilema I am confused.... I have seen the other games you guys have played, I have even gone in them a bit(mostly 2142 as of late) and some of your players are quite skilled which would lead me to believe they have encountered situations similar to this one in the past, why choose to take it as a derogatory comment, if you dont use hacks as you claim then why get mad, why not choose to be happy someone said that? honest question here not bait or anything, you had an alliance venting(internally) that you were cheating if I was playing against someone and they were saying that I would be pleased as **ed, not because they insulted my honor(what I do not do I know full well and as such dont become affended by claims otherwise)but because they lacked an explanation for my skill(i.e. I was playing at a lvl so far above theirs they could not perceive of how I accomplished it) sorry for the long winded post again I seemed to be getting carried away on here lately Originally by:** Pinky Denmark Caldari have other options like using rails or train for other ships/weapons...
Alasse Cuthalion TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.09 16:25:00 - [84] Originally by: SSgt Sniper In a word, yes. He is allowed to have private thoughts all he wants, he is allowed to blog it all he wants in a private blog. What he is NOT allowed to do is then go around adverting for what he wrote if he is unsure about the factual accuracy. He is also not allowed to *** if he writes a bunch of crap, tells folks about it, then gets war decked by the folks he wrote it about in the first place. ;) Everyone is entitled to their own "private thoughts" but when they start spouting utter bull** and trying to persuade several thousand other people that his own "private thoughts" are true then it's a major problem.
Alasse Cuthalion TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.09 16:26:00 - [85] Originally by: Shardrael given that you guys just built a titan without the whole member base knowing Says who? I'd be utterly amazed if there was anyone in BoB that didn't know what Evol were doing.
Alasse Cuthalion TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.09 16:33:00 - [86] Originally by: Shardrael Stuff Fair enough, but do you honestly believe that a forum accessable by several thousand people is anything like "private"? Especially when you're already aware that your security is somewhat akin to a sieve with a hole the size of Mt Everest in it? More to the point, where slander is concerned it doesn't matter if the person/organisation involved sees it first hand or not, at the end of the day someone is making up disgraceful remarks with the intention of slandering our reputation.
Abriana Overlord Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.09 16:36:00 - [87] Originally by: Gungankllr On a final note, some members of the Ascendancy have come on these forums and have belittled members of BoB out of game (The you live in your mom's basement type stuff) For that I'd like to apologize. Accepted and ty
thoth foc Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.11.09 16:45:00 - [88] Originally by: Shardrael why choose to take it as a derogatory comment, if you dont use hacks as you claim then why get mad.. You misunderstand me, i dont care what other ppl say or think.. i dont take responsibility for other ppl's stupidity.. that doesnt mean i dont notice it.. my main interest is noting is Gungankllr response.. >: )
Helplessandlost Minmatar Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.09 17:24:00 - [89] Edited by: Helplessandlost on 09/11/2006 17:25:22 Originally by: Gungankllr READ MY ENTIRE POST, ENGAGE BRAIN THEN ENGAGE KEYBOARD PLEASE I like pancakes That's all you need to say "Don't take life too seriously, nobody gets out alive!"
Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.09 17:44:00 - [90] Originally by: eveceo1 Sivona my dear, i don't have the time nor inclination to go through it piece by piece with you. Suffice to say you believe what you want to believe, and i will believe what i know to be true. MC has had false contracts, that is a fact - Velsharoon would attest to that. As for MC not attacking ASCN, well i thinks that more down to the fact that Cyvok called Seleene's bluff and reset standings which, i take it, was a big shock to MC since they generally like to do that them selfs before claiming 'they shot us first' So we're not attacking ASCN because they set standings against us back when, even though we do fake contracts, right I get it now.

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