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Pious Pete	Posted - 2006.11.10 09:31:00 - [1] EVE has gone through 5-6 major shifts in balance now, and considering the speed at which things change I think it is fair to conclude: It is more effective to jump the bandwagon from race to race than to train a single race and stick with it. Think about it, Amarr as an example have been whining for 11 months straight. Not a single Amarr thread can get posted nowadays without some whiner hijacking it. In that space of time you could have trained a good spread of Dominix, Blasterthron, Raven or AC pest skills. Now with balance changing again we'll have another 1+ year period of a ship type/race being on top. You could simply train for that ship (Rokh, cough.) and in 4-5 months time be very effective at it, leaving you another 5-6 months to pwn everyone you come across before the whole cycle starts over again. Specialization is overrated, who cares about 5% damage and 3% HP here and there when you could train for an overpowered ship and fly it with half decent skills but pwn twice as hard?
Sandra Tseng THE MISPHIT'S	Posted - 2006.11.10 09:41:00 - [2] coughdrakecough _ Killed my sig AGAIN! :p http://www.ninc.org/krubarax/images/2d/verydisco.jpg
Samirol Ore Mongers	Posted - 2006.11.10 09:42:00 - [3] or stay with your ships and pwn triple hard when your race becomes overpowered
Pious Pete	Posted - 2006.11.10 09:45:00 - [4] Originally by: Samirol or stay with your ships and pwn triple hard when your race becomes overpowered Okay, say I was a Crusader/Zealot/Geddon pilot pre-stacking nerf, pre-radio nerf, pre-pulse range nerf. How long have I been waiting again? 20 months. In that time things have gotten worse twice (RMR and now Kali) before they're getting any better. Bandwagon jumping ftw
Ishana Minmatar The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2006.11.10 09:49:00 - [5] Edited by: Ishana on 10/11/2006 09:50:32 <= minmatar specialist skill in training: caldari cruiser 4 skills in que: caldari cruiser 5, caldari BS 1-4, HAM 1-5, HAM spec 1-4 _________________________________________________________
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence	Posted - 2006.11.10 09:52:00 - [6] i stick to minnie since this char was created currently large auto spec 4, large arty in training no shield skill at all 3500 sp in missile skills :p half of SP in gunnery, tons in mechanic and tons in drones BS5 finished next month char has been unplayable(or very very very underpowered) since i could fit an autopest now i see the Hurricane and Maelestrom come, i'm so happy !! :D Patience pays ------ relaxed corp looking for members
Samirol Ore Mongers	Posted - 2006.11.10 09:52:00 - [7] its because like 10% of the playerbase is amarr
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.10 10:07:00 - [8] If you want to have the "best" ships, then yeah, get on the bandwagon. The game is never 100% balanced, so some ships are always better than the rest. Its sometimes just annoying though, like missiles being very quick to train for, and also being the best in the majority of situations, but I guess thats the way ccp wants it. I know when I can pick between going for artillery or siege launchers on my Typhoon, its no question about it. Siege has several hundred higher dps, so why use artillery? It will be even more so in Kali with the nerfed alpha. But oh well, we'll try to adapt. I will use minmatar ships where I can, and caldari ships when the minnie ones arent up to standards. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.10 10:17:00 - [9] It's like... train caldari for KALdarI. ----------------------------------------------- KALI WILL SAVE US ALL...
Sandra Tseng THE MISPHIT'S	Posted - 2006.11.10 10:20:00 - [10] Originally by: Splagada i stick to minnie since this char was created currently large auto spec 4, large arty in training no shield skill at all 3500 sp in missile skills :p half of SP in gunnery, tons in mechanic and tons in drones BS5 finished next month char has been unplayable(or very very very underpowered) since i could fit an autopest now i see the Hurricane and Maelestrom come, i'm so happy !! :D Patience pays I am in your clothes. But answear me this plz: How will the MALESTROM satisfy you? Maybe you did not notice its all GHEY shieldboost bonus? :p Killed my sig AGAIN! :p http://www.ninc.org/krubarax/images/2d/verydisco.jpg
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence	Posted - 2006.11.10 11:14:00 - [11] Edited by: Splagada on 10/11/2006 11:15:14 Originally by: Sandra Tseng Originally by: Splagada i stick to minnie since this char was created currently large auto spec 4, large arty in training no shield skill at all 3500 sp in missile skills :p half of SP in gunnery, tons in mechanic and tons in drones BS5 finished next month char has been unplayable(or very very very underpowered) since i could fit an autopest now i see the Hurricane and Maelestrom come, i'm so happy !! :D Patience pays I am in your clothes. But answear me this plz: How will the MALESTROM satisfy you? Maybe you did not notice its all GHEY shieldboost bonus? :p yah well like a ferox has gun bonuses and everyone uses it as a missile boat it has a freaking TANK (like the rest of the BSes yes! but so much better than the current BSes) it has 8 turret hardpoints with the ROF bonus i will see how that goes with 8x T2 650 and hail L... with the 3 gyros i plan to add on lows, the damage is going to be quite impressive it has 6 med slots so you can make a true painful ecm/mwd/Hi i'm by your door setup(super autopest), and cap will not be a problem with that many slots for rechargers and 5 low slots only, but who cares. 3 gyros, 1DC, 1 repair, good to go nice dronebay too. i love it even if a bit less than the BC. The hurricane anyway is so sweet it makes up for anything :p ------ relaxed corp looking for members
PNXR Admin	Posted - 2006.11.10 11:27:00 - [12] I've been in Eve 9 months or so, and I started Caldari but now I'm training Amarr, mainly because Caldari just bores the **** out of me. I know everyone says Amarr are crap, but I see that as kind of the challenge. There's always going to be imbalances in any game, and I find the ones that complain are often (note, not always) the ones who want their ship to be 'the best', and are annoyed when in a 1v1 battle against another ship of the same class, they might lose. But how often do these situations pop up? Really? Sure there maybe a few big imbalances that for the good of the game need tweaking, but even if an entire race was slightly 'weaker' than another race, I don't see that as a problem. Firstly there are almost always advantages to flying some ships in the 'weak' race, that can be utilised efficiently, with a little bit of thought and strategy, but also I'm just not convinced it really matters. In any particular class there are always gonna be some ships that are better than others, the answer is not to make them all the same. The way to find ship-flying happiness ( :) ) is to find a ship/race that just fits. That makes you go oOoooohhh, when you fly it. For me that seems to be Amarr. Just for reference, a few things that have made me annoyed about Caldari: 1. Missiles. Yep, good damage, but I hate having to wait 10 secs for that damage to start happening. I can't count the number of times my missiles have trailed off a pod or damaged frig as it's just warped out ahead. 2. The Cruisers are really rubbish. Ok, so the BB isn't (but there's that 'niche' thing again :) (ECM's)) but the caracal, yep, good damage, but with the 5 launchers it's hard to fit a good tank. And the cap is truly shocking. Kind of same with the Moa, what does it actually do? and is it worth the cost? (I don't really want answers to these :) ) 3. They're so obvious. Really really predictable. You see a Caldari ship and 9 times out of 10 you'll know what its packing. You know the strategy it will use. It's BORING!. not so with the others I think. I've come up with some great 'alternative' setups for ships of all the other races, that have made me quite excited, especially within a small-large gang situation, but I haven't come up with 1 for Caldari.
Leandro Salazar Aeon Industries Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2006.11.10 11:46:00 - [13] Tbh excess specialization is pretty stupid in concept, regardless of FOTMs. Training skills that take 30 days to finish for a 2% gain, while you could train up a whole new line of weapons in the same time strikes me as unwise. Especially for PvP where such minor advantages are totally lost among NOS, EW, big gangs... Imho if you have 10 mil SP in lasers and 0 in hybrids, projectiles and missiles, you need professional help. The advantage from lvl5 in spec skills or stuff like surgical strike is meaningless. The advantage of being able to use any ship with any weapon at any time is priceless. --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.10 11:47:00 - [14] Splagada, I think it will be fine as a autocannon boat too, but its pretty annoying that its being designed as a artillery ship with that slow speed and heavy mass. There really is no reason to not allow it to be a fast ship like the other minmatar battleships. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Angus Torg	Posted - 2006.11.10 12:03:00 - [15] Originally by: LUKEC It's like... train caldari for KALdarI. I hate to say it. But you are right :-( __________________________________________________ "And they told me that it hurts only the first time." (c) doomed since 2003
altern8t	Posted - 2006.11.10 12:16:00 - [16] I have 2 chars, One is gal.cal mix missiles and rails my other is pure ammar, I much prefer using my ammar character, because when i get into a ship, i know that im getting the best out of it for my SP. Sure im not as versatile and im outclassed in certain classes of ship, But the ships i do fly, i fly well
Kunming Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.10 12:32:00 - [17] Originally by: LUKEC It's like... train caldari for KALdarI. LMAO, u owe me a cup of coffee
The Novis	Posted - 2006.11.10 14:21:00 - [18] Not all Dom/Raven pilots ( or any other ship ) are bandwagoners, i personally have flown dom since i was in bs's back when they were classed as the worst bs in eve and will fly in the future when other ships overtake it again
Ishmael Hansen No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.11.10 15:07:00 - [19] I made a caldari char because the description said that caldari had the better ships/weapons, who knew that stuff like attributes were important at that time. Anyway, after 2 years of caldari being crappy for everything except pve, I'm glad that we now have a pwnmobile :P. I recon Drake is overpowered, but so is the Hurricane, haven't flew the others, hear that Gallente got the small stick, but I hope CCP won't nerf tier 2 bc's because this will do better for Hac prices then every invention or bpo release.
Shardrael Caldari AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.10 15:22:00 - [20] Edited by: Shardrael on 10/11/2006 15:24:33 Edited by: Shardrael on 10/11/2006 15:23:47 Originally by: Samirol or stay with your ships and pwn triple hard when your race becomes overpowered QFT minnys day has come Originally by: Pinky Denmark Caldari have other options like using rails or train for other ships/weapons...
Plymer Ization ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.10 15:53:00 - [21] I must be insane, I've clearly trained all the wrong races so far: Minmatar Specialized (AFs/Inties/HACs/CSs/CovOps/Recons) and soon to be T2 Large Projectile spec'd Amarr up to BS 4 I actually don't find myself all that gimped. Bring on the Hurricane
Kharakan Amarr GREY COUNCIL	Posted - 2006.11.10 16:30:00 - [22] Originally by: Samirol or stay with your ships and pwn triple hard when your race becomes overpowered I'm waiting I'm waiting! Originally by: Joshua Foiritain (to Dark Shikari) HAHAHA I KNOW YOUR ACCOUUNT NAME TIME TO DIE this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
schurem Anarchy Inc. Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2006.11.10 19:15:00 - [23] Edited by: schurem on 10/11/2006 19:16:08 I fly a dominix pretty **** good (near perfect drone skills, bs4) and a tempest almost as well. These trees enable me to pwn the crap out of sh!t with a mach, as well as choose ships for different situation. I'm contemplating trying on some more amarr skills, I think them battleships could kick the crap out of rogue drones and sansha rats. All races are equally cool imo, except for cookie-cutter bandwagon caldari cr4p-boats, which take no skill, no time investment, and no tactics at all. i will never be found in a raven, no siree! <<<< No Boundaries, No Fences, Fly Free* Or Die Trying* >>>> Warning sounds!, My kingdom for more warning sounds!
Aeaus Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.11.10 20:00:00 - [24] I'm happily staying with my Amarr/Gallente/Minmatar specialization, and I still failed so now I'm training up an alt for Caldari Last Weeks Signature
Beringe Caldari Raptus Regaliter	Posted - 2006.11.10 20:03:00 - [25] I flew ravens back when missiles were so bad at everything that everyone just laughed at them. I actually used lasers in the turret slots (this was back when lasers were wtfpwnage)! Incidentally, I also flew Gallente ships back then. And they sucked for everything except mining for the longest of times (especially pre-exodus). ------------------------------------------- "Sarcasm and irony are not to be used by the uninitiated." --Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles--
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.11.11 04:05:00 - [26] Originally by: Samirol or stay with your ships and pwn triple hard when your race becomes overpowered /me pets his 7 mil sps in missiles, "Soon(tm) my pretty, the Drake will make you all worthwhile..." Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Benglada Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.11.11 04:07:00 - [27] i got a cald char and hated it, traded it for a minm char which i like :) --------------------------- Originally by: Arkanor 0.0 is the Final Frontier. Bring money and friends.
xeom Veto.	Posted - 2006.11.11 04:42:00 - [28] Currently minmatar training upto CS then going for amarr to CS. I must like pain. --- "Those nuclear missiles are for domestic heating." - Scagga
mazzilliu Caldari Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.11.11 07:57:00 - [29] im going to stick with minmatar forever. i just like their ships. 1000% awesome guide to logging out
Selbbin Reppep	Posted - 2006.11.11 11:40:00 - [30] Originally by: Pious Pete Specialization is overrated, who cares about 5% damage and 3% HP here and there when you could train for an overpowered ship and fly it with half decent skills but pwn twice as hard? OK, I hear you, but isn't the point of races, that each one is good an a certain aspect of all facets of the game. You got about 8 types of fighting ships - Each race should have atleast one or two that they are best at. If you look at natrual selection this would have to be the case.

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