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Senn Stoll	Posted - 2006.11.10 18:12:00 - [1] Hey guys, I'm ceo of a corp that helps noobs into the game. Most of my guys are in their trial, and in frigates. Last night, we got warrdecced by some other high sec corp for no reason. I've heard nothing from any of the other corp, and as far as i know they are just out to cause trouble and kill some noobs. We would appreciate any hints, tips and aid that anyone wants to give us. I had heard of newb corps getting warrdecced like this in the past, but honestly thought people were above such childish tactics. Again, help would be appreciated. You can contact me via eve mail or PM in game. Thanks, Yesef Tiire.
MivMining Gallente Dark-Rising	Posted - 2006.11.10 18:15:00 - [2] On the menu bar, under forums, click settings, choose you're char. and show corp ticker/race
Irrilian Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2006.11.10 18:16:00 - [3] Id recommend taking a look at this: Fight Back : Guide to Corporation Defense Additionally comments here may prove useful.
Karinith Repo Industries	Posted - 2006.11.10 18:34:00 - [4] I'm not at war with you guys as well am I? If not then great! Mail me and Gabrial1 some details of your situation and we'll see what Repo can do for you.
hangnoose Caldari Repo Industries	Posted - 2006.11.10 18:40:00 - [5] Senn Stoll member of state war academy for 2 months.
Taedrin Gallente Mercatoris Technologies	Posted - 2006.11.10 18:41:00 - [6] Edited by: Taedrin on 10/11/2006 18:42:49 You have a couple of choices before you: 1) Take the war in stride, and engage your aggressors. 2) Hide 3) Disband I'll presume that (3) is not an option. The easiest thing to do would be to take option (2). The way you hide is by spreading your entire corp out amongst all of empire. This strategy follows the idea that if your enemy can't find you, the enemy can't kill you. And if your enemy does find one of you, the enemy hasn't found all of you. Remain like this for as long as the war dec lasts. Each week of the war costs your aggressors money, and while it's not a lot, sooner or later, your enemy will fold. Make a game out of it - how much money can you make them waste on the war dec, while not being able to find any of you? Option (1) is considered a lot more honorable, but may not be viable since you don't have much experience. However, this can be a good thing for you. There are 2 little bits of wisdom that apply here: When life gives you lemons, make lemonade The word "crisis" is just another way to spell "opportunity" The idea here is that you need to take this war dec, and turn it into a learning experience. Teach yourselves how to PvP. Get everyone to jump into their T1 frigs and have fun. Granted, because you are so much weaker than your opponent, you need to learn some tactics. Read up on Sun Tzu's Art of War - lots of wisdom to be found there. A few strategies to get you started: Choose your battles wisely. Don't attack your enemy when he is strong, attack him while he is weak. Forget honorable combat. Do everything (that doesn't involve hacking, or breaking the EULA) that is in your power to win. Example, don't take on a gang of 20 cruisers against your 20 frigates. But DO take on a gang of 1-3 cruisers against your 20 frigates. Be sure to share intel between corp members. If you get blown up by the enemy, tell your corp when and where it happened. Keep note of this information, as you may be able to use it to your advantage. Try to figure out when and where your enemy is active. Attack your enemies supply lines. If you know your enemy does missions in a certain system, learn how to probe out missions. Camp the gates in that system so that you can kill them when they have to do a mission in a neighbor system A mistake is only a mistake if you do not learn from it. You must gain wisdom from your own defeats. Instead of wallowing in self-pity, analyze a lost battle. Determine what it is that you could do to improve, and what you can do to win the next battle. That's all for now... [EDIT] improved layout a bit by adding a bit of whitespace
Xanja 2H Industries	Posted - 2006.11.10 18:46:00 - [7] Originally by: Taedrin Edited by: Taedrin on 10/11/2006 18:42:49 You have a couple of choices before you: 1) Take the war in stride, and engage your aggressors. 2) Hide 3) Disband I'll presume that (3) is not an option. The easiest thing to do would be to take option (2). The way you hide is by spreading your entire corp out amongst all of empire. This strategy follows the idea that if your enemy can't find you, the enemy can't kill you. And if your enemy does find one of you, the enemy hasn't found all of you. Remain like this for as long as the war dec lasts. Each week of the war costs your aggressors money, and while it's not a lot, sooner or later, your enemy will fold. Make a game out of it - how much money can you make them waste on the war dec, while not being able to find any of you? Option (1) is considered a lot more honorable, but may not be viable since you don't have much experience. However, this can be a good thing for you. There are 2 little bits of wisdom that apply here: When life gives you lemons, make lemonade The word "crisis" is just another way to spell "opportunity" The idea here is that you need to take this war dec, and turn it into a learning experience. Teach yourselves how to PvP. Get everyone to jump into their T1 frigs and have fun. Granted, because you are so much weaker than your opponent, you need to learn some tactics. Read up on Sun Tzu's Art of War - lots of wisdom to be found there. A few strategies to get you started: Choose your battles wisely. Don't attack your enemy when he is strong, attack him while he is weak. Forget honorable combat. Do everything (that doesn't involve hacking, or breaking the EULA) that is in your power to win. Example, don't take on a gang of 20 cruisers against your 20 frigates. But DO take on a gang of 1-3 cruisers against your 20 frigates. Be sure to share intel between corp members. If you get blown up by the enemy, tell your corp when and where it happened. Keep note of this information, as you may be able to use it to your advantage. Try to figure out when and where your enemy is active. Attack your enemies supply lines. If you know your enemy does missions in a certain system, learn how to probe out missions. Camp the gates in that system so that you can kill them when they have to do a mission in a neighbor system A mistake is only a mistake if you do not learn from it. You must gain wisdom from your own defeats. Instead of wallowing in self-pity, analyze a lost battle. Determine what it is that you could do to improve, and what you can do to win the next battle. That's all for now... [EDIT] improved layout a bit by adding a bit of whitespace I usually hardly post on these forums, but this rather insightfull post deserves a free bump. -----------------
God's Army Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.11.10 18:54:00 - [8] Originally by: Senn Stoll Hey guys, I'm ceo of a corp that helps noobs into the game. Most of my guys are in their trial, and in frigates. Last night, we got warrdecced by some other high sec corp for no reason. I've heard nothing from any of the other corp, and as far as i know they are just out to cause trouble and kill some noobs. We would appreciate any hints, tips and aid that anyone wants to give us. I had heard of newb corps getting warrdecced like this in the past, but honestly thought people were above such childish tactics. Again, help would be appreciated. You can contact me via eve mail or PM in game. Thanks, Yesef Tiire. where ur corp based? ..and what corp wardec ya ---- R0ADKILL ALLIANCE Killboard
BaronWaste Finis Lumen Muffins of Mayhem	Posted - 2006.11.10 19:01:00 - [9] You know, and empire war sounds fun. Contact me ingame and maybe we can help out.
Yesef Tiire Caldari Net Profit Training	Posted - 2006.11.10 19:58:00 - [10] Ladies and Gents, Thanks for the replys and the advice. 2006.11.10 01:42 Veterans Of Liberation has declared war on Net Profit Training. After 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved. Thats the shock I got when I logged in today. No reason, no contact, no need. Again, I'll contact those that offered help, and any other support would be much appreciated. Thanks, Yesef Tiire
Ackaroth Gallente Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.10 20:04:00 - [11] This was a good move posting on the forums. You will get alot of support from some really big names, and probably smash whoever is messing with you. You might also build a good reputation depending on how you handle the situation, and become a preliminary training corp for one of these alliances that posted.
larietta Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.11.10 20:06:00 - [12] get all your corp in frigs (cheap)and put them in a deep ss( if you do missions bookmark a deepspace mission get a new bs as bait out side station and wait for your targets as soon as thay come in omgpwn the gits with tec 1 frigs and done shoot any thing with bs you can dock with that as soon as you have got your fish
xenorx 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.11.10 20:22:00 - [13] Well Taedrin wrapped up your options beutifully for you. Very nice post. Very rare to see on these forums anymore. I suggest taking his advice to heart and treat this as an opportunity. Since most of your members are very green they do not have very much to lose. Face it T1 frigates and clones are cheap. However, fun and experience to be gained is priceless. A single frigate is a weak target, but a group of them swarming a target is lethal. I expect that your members will have a ball and will be more inclined to renew thier accounts if they are getting a little more excitment than just dragging veldspar into a can. Point is that the players who fight together become a stronger group and will make your corp stronger to the core. No one can hear you scream in space, so just shut up and die already.
Taedrin Gallente Mercatoris Technologies	Posted - 2006.11.10 20:58:00 - [14] Originally by: xenorx Well Taedrin wrapped up your options beutifully for you. Very nice post. Very rare to see on these forums anymore. I suggest taking his advice to heart and treat this as an opportunity. Since most of your members are very green they do not have very much to lose. Face it T1 frigates and clones are cheap. However, fun and experience to be gained is priceless. A single frigate is a weak target, but a group of them swarming a target is lethal. I expect that your members will have a ball and will be more inclined to renew thier accounts if they are getting a little more excitment than just dragging veldspar into a can. Point is that the players who fight together become a stronger group and will make your corp stronger to the core. Exactly. With enough thought and dedication, this will be a lot of fun for your corp. I have found that while in Empire it is VERY hard to do any meaningful shooting. Your aggresors have unwittingly provided you with the means to engage in PvP in a rather controlled environment, without intervention from CONCORD. Give 'em hell for all of us here =)
Spaja Saist Gallente Knights of Retribution	Posted - 2006.11.10 21:00:00 - [15] Originally by: Yesef Tiire Edited by: Yesef Tiire on 10/11/2006 20:43:43 Ladies and Gents, Thanks for the replys and the advice. 2006.11.10 01:42 Veterans Of Liberation has declared war on Net Profit Training. After 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved. Thats the shock I got when I logged in today. No reason, no contact, no need. Again, I'll contact those that offered help, and any other support would be much appreciated. EDIT: We're based in Laah, in Caldari space. Thanks, Yesef Tiire They are just high sec griefers. More an more of this happens as the game goes on. Need an easy way to get ganks and pad your killboard? Why just war dec a small noob corp.
INZi coracao ardente Sani Khal'Vecna	Posted - 2006.11.10 21:17:00 - [16] u all turned into "we'll help you out little buddy" all off the sudden? "it aent gunna cost a single dime." let him deal with his own problems, eve's a nasty world this is somewhere close to humanity. and it stinks.
Gragnor Ordos Humanitas	Posted - 2006.11.10 21:38:00 - [17] Training noobs. Agony-unleashed (www.agony-unleashed.com) Contact Rells. You know it makes sense.
Samirol Ore Mongers	Posted - 2006.11.10 21:39:00 - [18] Originally by: INZi u all turned into "we'll help you out little buddy" all off the sudden? "it aent gunna cost a single dime." let him deal with his own problems, eve's a nasty world this is somewhere close to humanity. and it stinks. carebearification of eve
Wraithstorm Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2006.11.10 21:43:00 - [19] Edited by: Wraithstorm on 10/11/2006 21:44:25 Originally by: Xanja Originally by: Taedrin Edited by: Taedrin on 10/11/2006 18:42:49 You have a couple of choices before you: 1) Take the war in stride, and engage your aggressors. 2) Hide 3) Disband I'll presume that (3) is not an option. The easiest thing to do would be to take option (2). The way you hide is by spreading your entire corp out amongst all of empire. This strategy follows the idea that if your enemy can't find you, the enemy can't kill you. And if your enemy does find one of you, the enemy hasn't found all of you. Remain like this for as long as the war dec lasts. Each week of the war costs your aggressors money, and while it's not a lot, sooner or later, your enemy will fold. Make a game out of it - how much money can you make them waste on the war dec, while not being able to find any of you? Option (1) is considered a lot more honorable, but may not be viable since you don't have much experience. However, this can be a good thing for you. There are 2 little bits of wisdom that apply here: When life gives you lemons, make lemonade The word "crisis" is just another way to spell "opportunity" The idea here is that you need to take this war dec, and turn it into a learning experience. Teach yourselves how to PvP. Get everyone to jump into their T1 frigs and have fun. Granted, because you are so much weaker than your opponent, you need to learn some tactics. Read up on Sun Tzu's Art of War - lots of wisdom to be found there. A few strategies to get you started: Choose your battles wisely. Don't attack your enemy when he is strong, attack him while he is weak. Forget honorable combat. Do everything (that doesn't involve hacking, or breaking the EULA) that is in your power to win. Example, don't take on a gang of 20 cruisers against your 20 frigates. But DO take on a gang of 1-3 cruisers against your 20 frigates. Be sure to share intel between corp members. If you get blown up by the enemy, tell your corp when and where it happened. Keep note of this information, as you may be able to use it to your advantage. Try to figure out when and where your enemy is active. Attack your enemies supply lines. If you know your enemy does missions in a certain system, learn how to probe out missions. Camp the gates in that system so that you can kill them when they have to do a mission in a neighbor system A mistake is only a mistake if you do not learn from it. You must gain wisdom from your own defeats. Instead of wallowing in self-pity, analyze a lost battle. Determine what it is that you could do to improve, and what you can do to win the next battle. That's all for now... [EDIT] improved layout a bit by adding a bit of whitespace I usually hardly post on these forums, but this rather insightfull post deserves a free bump. Good post bro. Words of wisdom if I ever saw them on these forums.
Tao Han Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.11.10 22:21:00 - [20] Edited by: Tao Han on 10/11/2006 22:22:16 In my experience corps often become a close knit group during wartimes and fighting back will more often then not boost corp morale. Hiding is probably not the best thing to do, more of a last resort. If you choose to fight back, never forget that you will lose some and win some, but ultimatly you will gain experience that will serve you in the future. Some of your "noobs" might turn out to be new PvP masters. *edit /me realised that he doesnt have a non-noobcorp tag... But this is my main :( Ah, well. Finix Jaeger was the old guy, if anyone cares :p
Rabb Darktide Independent Fleet	Posted - 2006.11.11 02:28:00 - [21] Originally by: Taedrin 2) Hide One of the funniest tactics I have heard about when noobs corps get deced is to just stay logged 23/7 and in station. Your enemies will camp the station you are in, waiting for you to undock, while not realizing you won't be home from work for 7 hours...
Leuthispar Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.11 03:31:00 - [22] LOL!!!! I guess pirates are trying to get as many kills as they can before Kali hits and they become "Obsolete" as they say. No real PvP skills FTL if you cant figure out that even when warpin to 0 they have to align for warp on the other side. Let the noobship/shuttle/pod/frigate palooza being i guess. Killboard whoring FTL i guess...
Droewa Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.11 03:46:00 - [23] hmmm... I would love to send these guys a big F U from FIX just for being lamers.. but im not the guy to make that call.. Still if ya want contact me in game maybe we can work out something.
Swor Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.11.11 06:18:00 - [24] i want to wardec the State war accademy
Commander Thrawn Tarnak inc. Eternal Empire	Posted - 2006.11.11 06:37:00 - [25] Originally by: Karinith I'm not at war with you guys as well am I? If not then great! Mail me and Gabrial1 some details of your situation and we'll see what Repo can do for you. lol too funny
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.11.11 06:39:00 - [26] Originally by: Rabb Darktide Originally by: Taedrin 2) Hide One of the funniest tactics I have heard about when noobs corps get deced is to just stay logged 23/7 and in station. Your enemies will camp the station you are in, waiting for you to undock, while not realizing you won't be home from work for 7 hours... I do that one all the time, but only because i get drunk and go afk for hours at a time. Once while flying a stabber, I docked in a station in a hostile system after they tried to engage me. Came back 4 hours later and undocked and 2 of them were still camping the station. Redocked, came back 2 hours later and killed a jag that was still camping the station.
coldplasma No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.11.11 15:56:00 - [27] Those who use sleazy tactics fall victim to coldplasma.
Star Commander Minmatar Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2006.11.11 16:01:00 - [28] Anyone war deccing a new noob corp deserves to be neutered - that is all.
Xiu Ying	Posted - 2006.11.11 17:11:00 - [29] Edited by: Xiu Ying on 11/11/2006 17:13:35 Just so all of you know, cause you all are wiggin on this :P We just go around war decking Random corps and Alliences, Such as Orion Federation Alliance, to Warrior Tribe Corp, lol we dont ask for money and we are not on killboards. Infact this should help the people you are training, Hell we will pay for Frigate or Cruiser losses if you like NO JOKE< its a Darn game have fun and live ! XIU YING, VOFL CEO
Rutefly Amarr Freedom-Technologies	Posted - 2006.11.11 18:36:00 - [30] OMG
Yesef Tiire Caldari Net Profit Training	Posted - 2006.11.12 01:53:00 - [31] Unfortunatley being taught seems to involve podding 12 day old characters that are flying atrons with HACS...
Miss Overlord Gallente EUROPEANS	Posted - 2006.11.12 09:03:00 - [32] this is a good thing teahces noobs to join established larger corps rather than some kids 12 man outfit
evistin Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2006.11.12 09:32:00 - [33] Originally by: Miss Overlord this is a good thing teahces noobs to join established larger corps rather than some kids 12 man outfit Even the larger corps start somwhere. ----------- Management and Leadership
nomistseb Gallente Myster0ns	Posted - 2006.11.12 11:37:00 - [34] i will speak to my ceo we will help we currently have 3 empire wars on the go but one more makes no difference will be in touch, if you dont require help anymore convo or reply in game. Regards and Fly safe Nomi
Ms Vicky Caldari Centennial Inc	Posted - 2006.11.12 12:03:00 - [35] I may be able to produce you a bunch of T1 friggies, mods and ammo if it would help. Just lemme know what you need and drop off locations. Before anything tho we need to have a short chat. Ms V
Yesef Tiire Caldari Net Profit Training	Posted - 2006.11.12 13:51:00 - [36] Miss V, I'll be in touch. Miss Overlord, The flaw in your thinking is that most established corps don't recruit trial accounts. We do (or did - recruiting is now impossible for us as what person on a trial wants to be able to be podded when flying about empire in a ibis, and our last batch of trial members will be nearing the end of their 14 days soon, so the corp is going to shrink). And your comments about my age and the size of the corp really make your post reasonable. All, We've been contacted by one of VL, to say that they personally will only engage if they are in a similar sized ship. However, about 30 minutes later another member of their corp was sitting in our home system in a HAC. Chances of even a swarm of t1 frigs against a HAC? Nil. Not when it can 2 shot kill most of them. And as for previous comments about the carebearification of the game... if you started playing and were killed for no reason in safe space, by characters 2 or 3 years more expereinced flying ships you couldn't even fly for 6 months plus... how long would you keep playing the game? Empire might be for carebears, but it's also for noobs trying to buy their first skill book. And everyone was a noob once. I guess I'm trying to appeal to those people out there that appreciate just how silly this situation is for a little help. I know how much of a community eve is, and i know there will be people and corps out there that have a little bit of honour and nobility left, even in the cut throat galaxy that is eve.
Alwan Freedom-Technologies Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.11.12 16:12:00 - [37] It sound like a corp was in despaired need to boost it killmail, itÆs really shame as those n00b corps act like advance tutorial. Will I hope that things will clear out soon and all the best with your corp m8. ===================================================== A Man Never Introduce His Wife To His Mistress. =====================================================
Ficti0n FireTech Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.12 20:42:00 - [38] Stuff like this really gets to me. I really feel sorry for your corp OP. As has already been pointed out, these people are just trying to pad their killmails. They cant fight the older kids so they have to go hurt the new kids. Pathetic really, but thats how it goes....
asdasdaasdasd	Posted - 2006.11.12 20:42:00 - [39] Edited by: asdasdaasdasd on 12/11/2006 20:42:11 Delete
Mattsumoto Starlancers	Posted - 2006.11.14 23:12:00 - [40] Yesef Tiire My Corp might want to help you. Visit our channel BAR - LANCERS for a chat to find out more
Fubarski	Posted - 2006.11.14 23:50:00 - [41] Originally by: Yesef Tiire I guess I'm trying to appeal to those people out there that appreciate just how silly this situation is for a little help. I know how much of a community eve is, and i know there will be people and corps out there that have a little bit of honour and nobility left, even in the cut throat galaxy that is eve. I feel for you guys. I've seen it happen to many a new/small/young/training corp. I don't necessarily agree with the "Oh, we're doing it to help introduce people to PvP!" non-consentual PvP in high-sec, against <2 month toons is NOT an altruistic gesture in my book. So all the advice above is great... AND... Check your escrow tomorrow, and regularly for the next couple of days. I'm going to toss a lot of free gear your way. (For the war-deccers... This guy is my main in training while I mission run with my other account. Go ahead and war-dec him. He hasn't left his station in about a month.) Fubarski
Droewa Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.15 01:10:00 - [42] a hac has no chance aginst a swarm of tech 1 frigs.. orbit under guns.. warp scarm him take out his drones and then him.. oh and some ecm would help too. Look at this in a good way. you ahve just been intro'ed to some of the best in game who are going to come around and give you some real tactical training.. I might just want to join my alt to your corp to have a go aginst these guys.. :)
Nuala Reece Caldari Starlancers	Posted - 2006.11.15 03:01:00 - [43] What Mattsumotto said - we specialize in fighting these kind of people, and we're very good at it. Drop by our public channel, chat to the folk there and give us some more information. We like to make sure we're fighting for the right sort of people but, that being in place, we can make your attackers wish they never even looked in your direction Starlancers
Devian 666 Snakes in a Pod	Posted - 2006.11.15 06:27:00 - [44] Originally by: Star Commander Anyone war deccing a new noob corp deserves to be neutered - that is all. Well we should take your advice given that I was station camping your alliance all weekend after playing eve for 1.5 months. Noob corps should surrender by paying 300m isk to the waring corp. It's easy. Cool an orange sig
Pisi Mopsu Net Profit Training	Posted - 2006.11.15 17:07:00 - [45] Thanks for all your support and advice everyone. The war has ended and we have made good with the former "enemies."
Elseenas Caldari Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.17 14:51:00 - [46] Originally by: Yesef Tiire Chances of even a swarm of t1 frigs against a HAC? Nil. Not when it can 2 shot kill most of them. Odds of a HAC against a t1 swarm? Nil, not when the swarm is properly outfitted. I've seen it on severeal occasions--the HAC either just curls up and dies or manages to run away. If there are enough of them then generally the frigates take no losses or only lose 1 or 2 ships. Its hard to do anything when you are jammed, sensor damped, tracking disrupted, webbed, and scrambled all at once... against a bunch of small ships that orbit very quickly at close range. A properly outfitted T1 frigate fleet can do just that.
Obijameskenobi	Posted - 2006.11.17 14:59:00 - [47] Yesef, Evemail me please. On receipt of evemail I will transfer some ISK to ya, to help fund replacement ships. Fly Safe Obi
Kristyl Jade	Posted - 2006.11.17 21:01:00 - [48] I know its a self plug since im in Agony myself... But let our instructors teach you how to truly enjoy being war decced. Nothing like watching big bad ass mega corp cancel their wars because your killing HAC's and their killing T1 Frigs and the occasional Cruiser. I still get a laugh at some of the ultimatum e-mails. Pay 300 mil and leave the system or we will keep the war going... lol ... Can we pay you the 300 mil "to" keep the war going? But honestly... learn to fit your Frigs correctly and then go blow up their battleships. See how long they stick around. ~Kristyl Jade

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