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Emrod Amarr Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.11.11 10:56:00 - [31] Originally by: Skelator In 1939 the Germans Faked a Invasion as a way to "Kickstart" their war. Sounds to me like this is a excuse to join BOB in attacking ASCN. No Flames intended it is a Good Sound Tactic but it's been used before. its weird but i think the same think dude...but i decided to not talk about it because of the flamme possibility lol Anyways +1 for you
The Speaker The Clue Factory	Posted - 2006.11.11 11:01:00 - [32] Well, if you take a step back and look at the big picture and what's been going on in the last month or so these bizarre incursions by ASCN make perfect sense.
Kaleeb Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.11 11:03:00 - [33] Originally by: Skelator In 1939 the Germans Faked a Invasion as a way to "Kickstart" their war. Sounds to me like this is a excuse to join BOB in attacking ASCN. No Flames intended it is a Good Sound Tactic but it's been used before. How do u work that out? Originally by: Blacklight Last night was an 'anomoly' for different reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with skill or who were the better pvpers.
Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.11 11:04:00 - [34] Originally by: Kriger Originally by: Kin Hanyerec Edited by: Kin Hanyerec on 11/11/2006 10:34:32 Ofc course we are going to use our spies to attack MC, which are in friendly terms with us, so they will actually attack ASCN without us having to pay them for that. It's a pretty much stupid tactic with no benefits (except economical which we dont need) and only drawbacks. We do not attack our friends and we dont do stupid things, do we ? I dont know the BoB plans. But its the oldest trick in the book to get an excuse to enter a given conflict (/me points to the history books), and ASCN certainly dont need more targets, so their motivation would be very limited. We, BoB, are doing great and dont need any help as our killboard would show. And really do you really think we would need to trick MC to help us if we needed it ? We can afford them we just dont need them
Cheechako Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.11 11:07:00 - [35] Originally by: Braaage Those that do from now wont be ASCN anymore. Now I can go back to my carebear mode ;)
urgs	Posted - 2006.11.11 11:12:00 - [36] Edited by: urgs on 11/11/2006 11:13:53
Lygos ISS Navy Task Force	Posted - 2006.11.11 11:12:00 - [37] I am reminded of a certain Paul Van Zeeland, who once said, "What a difference it makes to have between certain people and your country on the one hand, a thin, theoretical international border, and on the other hand, a few thousand miles of ocean." --- Private Investment should preceed Public Investment
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.11 11:15:00 - [38] Originally by: Kriger But MC, given the entity that is it, with the rumors that is attached to it, rly need to be very clear in its public statements, What the MC imo "needs" to do is bash the frigging crap out of every single podpilot that hereafter is stupid enough to refer to "rumors". You know who relied on "rumors" in Eve to make decisions ? The likes of Xirtam and Ragnar (and more recently others, but lets not go into that here). See where it got them. People need to get their heads out of their asses, assume little and listen to "friends" that "know the deal" even less. The truth most often is that which makes the most sense. Old blog
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.11 11:31:00 - [39] /me puts on Tinfoil hat This all seems rather silly.
Kriger Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.11 11:31:00 - [40] Originally by: Kryztal I dont know the BoB plans. But its the oldest trick in the book to get an excuse to enter a given conflict (/me points to the history books), and ASCN certainly dont need more targets, so their motivation would be very limited. We, BoB, are doing great and dont need any help as our killboard would show. And really do you really think we would need to trick MC to help us if we needed it ? We can afford them we just dont need them m8 all i know is to what extend BoB go to depict themselves in a favourable way on the forums ;) , ie. they will never officially ask for any sort of help, needing it or not. My logic is quite simple, and doesnt rly take consider BoB into the equation, other than periphaly (spellcheck) : A few ASCN pilots are no threat to MC. ASCN dont need more targets. How come the MC need to post about such a relative benine thing? Now as said - it may be that the scale of the ASCN incursions are bigger than Sel's post depicts, and that MC have indeed tried to get ASCN to deal with the aggressors by giving them their names, without luck. If so, then MC's approach is understandable (even if one could still argue that it might be BoB alts trying to inflame the situation - if not then ASCN have some pretty ** stupid pilots). But if ASCN dont act on it, they are certainly asking for it (playing into BoB's hands maybe). So im not saying categorical that this is a BoB/MC plot, but given the information provided sofar it just doesnt make much sence. .:: Kriger's gfx Factory ::.**

Karas Rabus Karjala Inc. Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.11 11:32:00 - [41] Either the classic "divide and conquer" tactic is at play here or then perhaps something like THIS is going on.
End Yourself Core Domination	Posted - 2006.11.11 11:38:00 - [42] Originally by: Skelator In 1939 the Germans Faked a Invasion as a way to "Kickstart" their war. Sounds to me like this is a excuse to join BOB in attacking ASCN. No Flames intended it is a Good Sound Tactic but it's been used before. Dis Poland by naming it in one breath with ASCN again and i'll have to mail the mods! --- Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.11 11:40:00 - [43] Or perhaps we are fed up with people we have set to blue are attacking us and entering our constellation. These matters have been bought up with ascn hc, players names have been forwarded. If BoB atm were throwing their last ships into the defence of Nol the conspiracy theory might make sense, however since knocking out a few small towers in TPAR ASCN have failed to knock down (to my knowledge) any BoB towers and by the end of this weekend will have lost 3 of their stations (unless a real turn around comes in their performance). Its not like BoB need our help or remotely want it. We have got cans outside our constellation informing people its our space, we have contact ASCN HC multiple times, we've ignored numerous 'friendly' fire incidents and ship losses of ours at ASCN hands. If we were doing this to another alliance right now i bet we still wouldn't be blue or looking for diplomatic solutions. Take this how you like, however it is a very simple statement trying to avoid us getting dragged into a war that neither side wants us involved in.
Emsigma Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.11 11:42:00 - [44] Originally by: Kriger No offence sel, but this one is just too obvious. You need an excuse to enter the war, BoB have numerous alts in ASCN (ofcourse) which they quite easily can use to 'violate' MC space - very convinient isnt it? Isnt this a bit too easy to figure out? Unless you guys rly got attacked by significant ASCN forces, we all know that not you, nor any1 else would really care about these few pilots. So if you guys want to have a go at ASCN, then bloody hll do it and dont miscredit yourselves with these sort of (dare i say BoB) forum tactics. Comon.. most of us have lived in 0.0.. we know whats its about and what is deemed a threat and what isnt. That just smells like arranged excuse to me, prolly cause you dont like the idea of MC being considered BoB's lapdog (no offence). I have no idea if you are but that post sure doesnt make much sence. So you mean that BoB has 15:ish spies inside ASCN that they are burn just for the sake of ***ing MC off? ---
BurnYaBad Lynx Frontier Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.11 11:43:00 - [45] Seleene, and all of MC, ASCN does not need or want a war with you. We have our hands full with BoB and AAA and all the other party boys coming to ascn space to shoot everything moving. I really hope that you're not suggesting that our alliance is actually sending gangs or individuals to your area of space? Do you really think the general public is not smart enough to figure out that these alts of bob are behind this? Could you PLEASE copy these ascn bob alts in your territory's name down and send them to ASCN so we can start ridding this cancer from our ranks. Thanks!
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.11 11:48:00 - [46] Like we would waste perfectly fine ASCN forum access sources on getting the MC into this war only to steal our targets... Face it ASCN, there's are no BoB spies involved in this, it's simply your own ill-informed pilots doing this. Don't you think that that's the more logical conclusion ? After all, if one thing has been proven so far it is that there's a fair few people in ASCN that just don't get it. Old blog
Mynas Atoch Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.11 11:49:00 - [47] Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 11/11/2006 11:50:37 Originally by: Kriger A few ASCN pilots are no threat to MC. ASCN dont need more targets. How come the MC need to post about such a relative benine thing? Now as said - it may be that the scale of the ASCN incursions are bigger than Sel's post depicts, and that MC have indeed tried to get ASCN to deal with the aggressors by giving them their names, without luck. If so, then MC's approach is understandable (even if one could still argue that it might be BoB alts trying to inflame the situation - if not then ASCN have some pretty **** stupid pilots). But if ASCN dont act on it, they are certainly asking for it (playing into BoB's hands maybe). So im not saying categorical that this is a BoB/MC plot, but given the information provided sofar it just doesnt make much sence. Kriger, you try not getting annoyed when you are quietly mining in a dead end constellaation in the wee sma' hours and three possibly hostile ships enter local - one cloaks and ignores convo attempts, one logs, and the other leaves for a neighbour system in your constellation. Does that sound "benine" to you? Or does it sound like the final straw resulting in a public warning that we are done giving warnings. Any ASCN who need a map http://www.ombeve.co.uk/Eve_Regions.pdf Any ASCN who needs a clue, use your ingame map for MC's sov. Match one to the other, print off the region highlighted, and write in large green pen in the appropriate area "Here be dragons!" and "Abandone hope all ye who enter!"
Kriger Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.11 11:56:00 - [48] Originally by: Emsigma So you mean that BoB has 15:ish spies inside ASCN that they are burn just for the sake of **ing MC off? I wouldnt know - but if you recall some of the history lessons im sure u've had to endure over the years, im sure the tactic will sound quite familiar, and given my previous points what sounds more likely: A) ASCN are attacking the MC. B) Some 'rogue' pilots are attacking the MC for whatever purpose. So.. either the ASCN are insane, and/or their pilots are uncontrollable AND unbelieably stupid. OR Something else is going on. I can only speculate, but im pretty sure ASCN would like to survive. .:: Kriger's gfx Factory ::.**
Kriger Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.11 12:08:00 - [49] Edited by: Kriger on 11/11/2006 12:09:48 Originally by: Mynas Atoch Kriger, you try not getting annoyed when you are quietly mining in a dead end constellaation in the wee sma' hours and three possibly hostile ships enter local - one cloaks and ignores convo attempts, one logs, and the other leaves for a neighbour system in your constellation. Does that sound "benine" to you? Or does it sound like the final straw resulting in a public warning that we are done giving warnings. Any ASCN who need a map http://www.ombeve.co.uk/Eve_Regions.pdf Any ASCN who needs a clue, use your ingame map for MC's sov. Match one to the other, print off the region highlighted, and write in large green pen in the appropriate area "Here be dragons!" and "Abandone hope all ye who enter!" I can completely understand your point. Yet this doesnt change the fact that it makes very little sence from ASCN's pov. I wont bore you with repeating my previous points, but it just sounds very strange. Yes ASCN is a big alliance and the odd rogue pilot will surely be there. But from what MC says this is a _big_ problem, and ASCN refuse to kick the pilots in question (i assume adecuate proof was give to the ASCN HC). Very very odd, or very very stupid. Which is more likely? Anyhows.. ill be quiet now :) I think i have vented my thoughts enough now.. gl and hf all ;) .:: Kriger's gfx Factory ::.
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.11 12:12:00 - [50] Originally by: Kriger Originally by: Emsigma So you mean that BoB has 15:ish spies inside ASCN that they are burn just for the sake of ****ing MC off? I wouldnt know - but if you recall some of the history lessons im sure u've had to endure over the years, im sure the tactic will sound quite familiar, and given my previous points what sounds more likely: A) ASCN are attacking the MC. B) Some 'rogue' pilots are attacking the MC for whatever purpose. So.. either the ASCN are insane, and/or their pilots are uncontrollable AND unbelieably stupid. OR Something else is going on. I can only speculate, but im pretty sure ASCN would like to survive. But ASCN is not like the mother hive with one mind. It has well over 4000 minds and opinions. Some of them might lack what we call intelligence, otherwise referred to as a clue. They might also be abit hotheaded at the moment. I'm not saying that this is a ASCN problem, but more of a general problem you see everywhere in humanity. and Kriger, the last time I checked you guys hang out in Syndicate. Let me just make one thing clear to you as friendly as I can: We do not need the help of the MC in this war. Their dreads might be helpful but not needed. And I'm pretty sure that even if they got involved we would still have to pay if we wanted to have some towers taken out Same if we wanted a empire war between ASCN and MC, Seleene wouldnt get off his fat arse without us waving some billions around. They are mercs, not some landgrabbing alliance that can be goaded into a fight with some friendly fire incidents. We dont need them to help us right now, we are doing better then fine on our own at the moment. Its just too easy to blame all that goes wrong for ASCN in this war on us and our socalled covert ops warfare (not in the ship sense). Lost a fight? ah, its all those blasted spies on our TS. Here is a newsflash, even if we had them, they didnt destroy your ships. A few soldiers not following orders? Just some BoB spies trying to stir up a hornets nest. Node crash? OMG BOB HAX NODESPLOIT TIN FOIL HATZ ON!!!1 and also, they had spies on our TS What I am getting at here is that spying can be a wonderful tool, and its working well. We dont need to have spies on your TS anymore due to your paranoia. So when are you gonna kick corps for being bob spies?

Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.11 12:24:00 - [51] Edited by: Waagaa Ktlehr on 11/11/2006 12:24:57 Sing along to understand, for the hard at hearing: We mine in peace or shoot to kill shoot to kill shoot to kill We mine in peace or shoot to kill shoot ASCN man! It's worse than that They're dead Jim! Dead Jim! Dead Jim! It's worse than that ASCN is dead Jim Shoot to kill man! - On: Startrekking Don't make this come true, please. - - One ship to jam them all, one ship to damp them. One ship to suck them dry and in the dark void gank them.
SamuraiJack Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.11 12:30:00 - [52] Seleene. Hit me up ingame. It WILL be solved. Tired of this ****. SJ. ASCN HC Community Manager ASCN Diplomat CLS Director =-
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.11 12:36:00 - [53] Originally by: SamuraiJack Seleene. Hit me up ingame. It WILL be solved. Tired of this ****. ... my understanding of this thread is that its gone beyond that... could be wrong though.
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.11 12:44:00 - [54] Originally by: SamuraiJack Seleene. Hit me up ingame. It WILL be solved. Tired of this ****. I tought you aren't minister of foreign affairs anymore ----------------------------------------------- KALI WILL SAVE US ALL...
thoth foc Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.11.11 12:44:00 - [55] Originally by: Kriger Yet this doesnt change the fact that it makes very little sence from ASCN's pov. ASCN has been trying to involve MC and FIX from the start (Cyvok's little announcement), and now there is the "OMG it isnt us shooing you.. it's BOB in disguise"... just looks like they failed to goad MC the first time.. and now their just trying a different tactic Given they arent exactly doing top notch as it is.. it does make me curious as to why.. >: )
Ribbo Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.11 12:45:00 - [56] Edited by: Ribbo on 11/11/2006 12:48:43 Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: SamuraiJack Seleene. Hit me up ingame. It WILL be solved. Tired of this ****. ... my understanding of this thread is that its gone beyond that... could be wrong though. bloomin ell you and your wooden spoon. sounds to me like bored ascn pilots bored with bringing it toe to toe with BoB and getting the floor wiped putting they're tinfoil hats on and going for some easy blue targets, we dont need mc in, if anything it will take targets away from us, we're taking ascn's stations, were wiping the floor with ascn pilots hell we're even getting a molle taxi around ascn space. If anything MC are bending over backwards not to join in and ASCN HC see that, boot the n0rty pilots SamuraiJack, tehy should be fighting on the frontline like you are SamuraiJack and not attacking blue targets, the cowards.. Ribbo - fanboi'ing eve-celebrities the world over.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.11 12:50:00 - [57] Edited by: Nez Perces on 11/11/2006 12:53:41 Originally by: Ribbo Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: SamuraiJack Seleene. Hit me up ingame. It WILL be solved. Tired of this ****. ... my understanding of this thread is that its gone beyond that... could be wrong though. bloomin ell you and your wooden spoon. sounds to me like bored ascn pilots bored with bringing it toe to toe with BoB and getting the floor wiped putting they're tinfoil hats on and going for some easy blue targets, we dont need mc in, if anything it will take targets away from us, we're taking ascn's stations, were wiping the floor with ascn pilots hell we're even getting a molle taxi. If anything MC are bending over backwards not to join in and ASCN HC see that, boot the n0rty pilots SamuraiJack, tehy should be fighting on the frontline like you are SamuraiJack and not attacking blue targets, the cowards.. Ribbo Ribbo I think you may have misunderstood my post, if indeed it was I that you were quoting... What I meant is that Seleene has already expressed that ASCN HC is not being obeyed.... therefore supposedly in her view it is out of HC's hands and now in the hands of the membership of ASCN. The implication in this thread is that ASCN HC has no control over its memberbase. Therefore SJ can't do a whole lot about it and "hitting" him in game will achieve nothing. Thats what I was saying..
Report Amarr The New Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.11 13:01:00 - [58] If BOB and MC both really wanted MC in this war why wouldn't BOB be asking FIX and MC just to join in? By the looks of it BOB aren't really losing anything so in what way couldn't they afford MCs fees to help knock down towers quicker. I'm sure BOB dont want to give up spies just for this when they really dont seem to be needing MCs help, the ASCN will probably be on MCs killboard too for people to see (I haven't checked but I would assume it is like this) But really, as a member of the public I really want to see how Cyvok spins this in his next morale blog
Khorian Gallente Omega Fleet Enterprises Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.11 13:11:00 - [59] For the conspiracy theorists: IF the ASCN pilots in MC space were really BoB alts or spies that are there to drag MC into the war, then these problems will be solved once ASCN removes every trespasser from their alliance. So this would remove then BoBs spiels or Alts from ASCN. The punchline is this: From the looks of it, BoB doesn't need any help to deal with ASCN. Why put Spies at risk to drag an ally into the war that bob can win alone? Sure, those conspiracy theories all sound like the make sense at first, but when you start to think about them, they fall together like card houses. You set your minds to -10 BoB, and stopped including arguments and clear visible facts into your theories.
Nessa Aldeen Dragonian Freelancers	Posted - 2006.11.11 13:28:00 - [60] Sounds like an exit strategy to me...if MC enters this war,.. ascn can say 'of course, we lost..MC entered the war and brought their uber skill players and cap fleet to join BoB, against all odds we fight them and we prevail .. insert more propaganda". I think MC should not engage ASCN in the BOB campaign but shoot ascn if they enter your space..so that everyone will be happy. :)



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