Originally by: dabster

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PS. Why should people care about in game claims

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Originally by: xong

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The systems in question, have a little thingie that says MC Souv, right?

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Originally by: Crohnx

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so what happend this time? u know theres tons of **** spyes and alt pilots in ascn that are provoking MC to start war against us , u cant controll that ... its not ascn pilots its the "others"

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Originally by: Blacklight

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Last night was an 'anomoly' for different reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with skill or who were the better pvpers.

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Originally by: Seleene

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Over the last several weeks, the leadership of the MC and elements of the ASCN High Command have worked very hard to maintain our mutual positive standings despite the current political and military situation between you and Band of Brothers. The MC has no stake or interest in the war currently being waged and has gone to great diplomatic lengths in order to maintain our neutrality. Yet, despite these efforts, some of your fellow alliance mates see fit to continue to push the boundaries of our patience and understanding.

Our understanding has evolved to confusion and our patience is now at an end.

Our space is well known. It is documented on the in-game map and quite easy to identify. It is a dead end constellation in Period Basis that is completely separate from any possible traffic hostile to you or your alliance. We have no interest in whatever conspiracy theory you might have on the location of our home. To enter our constellation without permission means that we will assume from this point forward that you have business with the MC of a not so friendly nature.

To be clear û take your tin foil hat off. BoB rarely enters our constellation for any reason without notifying us first. Even then, we see more of the occasional random pirate raider or, in this case, ASCN pilots than we do of BoB. They have no reason to be there. ItÆs not BoB land. ItÆs ours. BoB rarely comes into our house and neither should you unless you are looking for a fight.

I do not blame the ASCN HC, who have themselves worked hard to run damage control due to several incidents of a various nature these past weeks. It has now become obvious though that the ASCN HCÆs control over their pilots is limited at best and non existent at worst. ASCN HC is either being ignored or they are being disobeyed.

I thank ASCN HC for their past efforts but this situation is now in the hands of your pilots. We are not looking for a fight. Quite honestly, as ASCN HC well knows, we have plenty to do without this nonsense but enough is enough.

So, to the rank and file of ASCN: stay out of our home, unless you want us to come visit yours.

Thank you.

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TBH, I really do understand. It wouldn't surprise me either. However, it's not our job to try to figure out who might be a "real" ASCN pilot and who isn't. The alliance tag (currently with a blue background) says ASCN on all of them.

The issue here is that there have been too many of these kind of incursions to write off as just some alt trying to start an additional war. Frankly, you've got some real idiots in your ranks that need purging NOW.

All I know is this: for months, there has not been a single MC member even set foot in ASCN space or engage ASCN pilots without specific authorization. Yet in the past few weeks, I've had to deal with multiple incidents, including ASCN members actually firing on MC members.

I know the reasons behind each of these occurrences but we're getting tired of having to deal with a new one every few days. Hence, this message. I've tried dealing with this from the top down. It's not working. Now we'll try a public approach.

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Originally by: Kriger

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No offence sel, but this one is just too obvious. You need an excuse to enter the war, BoB have numerous alts in ASCN (ofcourse) which they quite easily can use to 'violate' MC space - very convinient isnt it? Isnt this a bit too easy to figure out? Unless you guys rly got attacked by significant ASCN forces, we all know that not you, nor any1 else would really care about these few pilots. So if you guys want to have a go at ASCN, then bloody h*ll do it and dont miscredit yourselves with these sort of (dare i say BoB) forum tactics. Comon.. most of us have lived in 0.0.. we know whats its about and what is deemed a threat and what isnt. That just smells like arranged excuse to me, prolly cause you dont like the idea of MC being considered BoB's lapdog (no offence). I have no idea if you are but that post sure doesnt make much sence.

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Originally by: Kriger

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No offence sel, but this one is just too obvious. You need an excuse to enter the war, BoB have numerous alts in ASCN (ofcourse) which they quite easily can use to 'violate' MC space - very convinient isnt it? Isnt this a bit too easy to figure out? Unless you guys rly got attacked by significant ASCN forces, we all know that not you, nor any1 else would really care about these few pilots. So if you guys want to have a go at ASCN, then bloody h*ll do it and dont miscredit yourselves with these sort of (dare i say BoB) forum tactics. Comon.. most of us have lived in 0.0.. we know whats its about and what is deemed a threat and what isnt. That just smells like arranged excuse to me, prolly cause you dont like the idea of MC being considered BoB's lapdog (no offence). I have no idea if you are but that post sure doesnt make much sence.

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Originally by: Blacklight

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Last night was an 'anomoly' for different reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with skill or who were the better pvpers.

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Originally by: Blacklight

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Last night was an 'anomoly' for different reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with skill or who were the better pvpers.

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Originally by: Kriger

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Originally by: Seleene

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Over the last several weeks, the leadership of the MC and elements of the ASCN High Command have worked very hard to maintain our mutual positive standings despite the current political and military situation between you and Band of Brothers. The MC has no stake or interest in the war currently being waged and has gone to great diplomatic lengths in order to maintain our neutrality. Yet, despite these efforts, some of your fellow alliance mates see fit to continue to push the boundaries of our patience and understanding.

Our understanding has evolved to confusion and our patience is now at an end.

Our space is well known. It is documented on the in-game map and quite easy to identify. It is a dead end constellation in Period Basis that is completely separate from any possible traffic hostile to you or your alliance. We have no interest in whatever conspiracy theory you might have on the location of our home. To enter our constellation without permission means that we will assume from this point forward that you have business with the MC of a not so friendly nature.

To be clear û take your tin foil hat off. BoB rarely enters our constellation for any reason without notifying us first. Even then, we see more of the occasional random pirate raider or, in this case, ASCN pilots than we do of BoB. They have no reason to be there. ItÆs not BoB land. ItÆs ours. BoB rarely comes into our house and neither should you unless you are looking for a fight.

I do not blame the ASCN HC, who have themselves worked hard to run damage control due to several incidents of a various nature these past weeks. It has now become obvious though that the ASCN HCÆs control over their pilots is limited at best and non existent at worst. ASCN HC is either being ignored or they are being disobeyed.

I thank ASCN HC for their past efforts but this situation is now in the hands of your pilots. We are not looking for a fight. Quite honestly, as ASCN HC well knows, we have plenty to do without this nonsense but enough is enough.

So, to the rank and file of ASCN: stay out of our home, unless you want us to come visit yours.

Thank you.

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No offence sel, but this one is just too obvious. You need an excuse to enter the war, BoB have numerous alts in ASCN (ofcourse) which they quite easily can use to 'violate' MC space - very convinient isnt it? Isnt this a bit too easy to figure out? Unless you guys rly got attacked by significant ASCN forces, we all know that not you, nor any1 else would really care about these few pilots. So if you guys want to have a go at ASCN, then bloody h*ll do it and dont miscredit yourselves with these sort of (dare i say BoB) forum tactics. Comon.. most of us have lived in 0.0.. we know whats its about and what is deemed a threat and what isnt. That just smells like arranged excuse to me, prolly cause you dont like the idea of MC being considered BoB's lapdog (no offence). I have no idea if you are but that post sure doesnt make much sence.

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Originally by: Kriger

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Question - in addition to my previous post.

What is keeping MC from doing what most other alliances do when there are transgressions and friendly fire incidents, ie. you note their names and give them to the HC of the friendly alliance, so the members can be dealt with? I know its tough - pen and paper and all.. but comeon..
Or could it be that these characters are so obviously BoB alts that giving their names to ASCN would actually be counterproductive to the general plan? Just speculating here. As said Selene, its a bit too obvious, and i had actually expected more and better from you guys. If you are lapdogs (to whatever extent), then at least be open about it.

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Originally by: Kin Hanyerec

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Edited by: Kin Hanyerec on 11/11/2006 10:34:32

Ofc course we are going to use our spies to attack MC, which are in friendly terms with us, so they will actually attack ASCN without us having to pay them for that.

It's a pretty much stupid tactic with no benefits (except economical which we dont need) and only drawbacks. We do not attack our friends and we dont do stupid things, do we ?

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Originally by: Kaleeb

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Sometimes I want to get these tinfoil hats and shove them all where the sun doesnt shine

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Originally by: Skelator

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In 1939 the Germans Faked a Invasion as a way to "Kickstart" their war.
Sounds to me like this is a excuse to join BOB in attacking ASCN.
No Flames intended it is a Good Sound Tactic but it's been used before.

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Originally by: Seleene

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Over the last several weeks, the leadership of the MC and elements of the ASCN High Command have worked very hard to maintain our mutual positive standings despite the current political and military situation between you and Band of Brothers.

I do not blame the ASCN HC, who have themselves worked hard to run damage control due to several incidents of a various nature these past weeks. It has now become obvious though that the ASCN HCÆs control over their pilots is limited at best and non existent at worst. ASCN HC is either being ignored or they are being disobeyed.

I thank ASCN HC for their past efforts but this situation is now in the hands of your pilots. We are not looking for a fight. Quite honestly, as ASCN HC well knows, we have plenty to do without this nonsense but enough is enough.

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