Originally by: Seleene

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Over the last several weeks, the leadership of the MC and elements of the ASCN High Command have worked very hard to maintain our mutual positive standings despite the current political and military situation between you and Band of Brothers. The MC has no stake or interest in the war currently being waged and has gone to great diplomatic lengths in order to maintain our neutrality. Yet, despite these efforts, some of your fellow alliance mates see fit to continue to push the boundaries of our patience and understanding.

Our understanding has evolved to confusion and our patience is now at an end.

Our space is well known. It is documented on the in-game map and quite easy to identify. It is a dead end constellation in Period Basis that is completely separate from any possible traffic hostile to you or your alliance. We have no interest in whatever conspiracy theory you might have on the location of our home. To enter our constellation without permission means that we will assume from this point forward that you have business with the MC of a not so friendly nature.

To be clear û take your tin foil hat off. BoB rarely enters our constellation for any reason without notifying us first. Even then, we see more of the occasional random pirate raider or, in this case, ASCN pilots than we do of BoB. They have no reason to be there. ItÆs not BoB land. ItÆs ours. BoB rarely comes into our house and neither should you unless you are looking for a fight.

I do not blame the ASCN HC, who have themselves worked hard to run damage control due to several incidents of a various nature these past weeks. It has now become obvious though that the ASCN HCÆs control over their pilots is limited at best and non existent at worst. ASCN HC is either being ignored or they are being disobeyed.

I thank ASCN HC for their past efforts but this situation is now in the hands of your pilots. We are not looking for a fight. Quite honestly, as ASCN HC well knows, we have plenty to do without this nonsense but enough is enough.

So, to the rank and file of ASCN: stay out of our home, unless you want us to come visit yours.

Thank you.

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Originally by: maria stallion

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these ASCN member who are attacking mc are making it worse for the people in ascn space that are fighting for it.
first you not fighting with the fleets and second like this your making a new hostile and by doing so making it even harder for your mates in ASCN.

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Originally by: Kin Hanyerec

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Edited by: Kin Hanyerec on 11/11/2006 10:34:32

Originally by: Kriger

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No offence sel, but this one is just too obvious. You need an excuse to enter the war, BoB have numerous alts in ASCN (ofcourse) which they quite easily can use to 'violate' MC space - very convinient isnt it? Isnt this a bit too easy to figure out? Unless you guys rly got attacked by significant ASCN forces, we all know that not you, nor any1 else would really care about these few pilots. So if you guys want to have a go at ASCN, then bloody h*ll do it and dont miscredit yourselves with these sort of (dare i say BoB) forum tactics. Comon.. most of us have lived in 0.0.. we know whats its about and what is deemed a threat and what isnt. That just smells like arranged excuse to me, prolly cause you dont like the idea of MC being considered BoB's lapdog (no offence). I have no idea if you are but that post sure doesnt make much sence.

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Ofc course we are going to use our spies to attack MC, which are in friendly terms with us, so they will actually attack ASCN without us having to pay them for that.

It's a pretty much stupid tactic with no benefits (except economical which we dont need) and only drawbacks. We do not attack our friends and we dont do stupid things, do we ?

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Originally by: Mynas Atoch

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Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 11/11/2006 11:50:37

Originally by: Kriger

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A few ASCN pilots are no threat to MC. ASCN dont need more targets. How come the MC need to post about such a relative benine thing?

Now as said - it may be that the scale of the ASCN incursions are bigger than Sel's post depicts, and that MC have indeed tried to get ASCN to deal with the aggressors by giving them their names, without luck. If so, then MC's approach is understandable (even if one could still argue that it might be BoB alts trying to inflame the situation - if not then ASCN have some pretty **** stupid pilots). But if ASCN dont act on it, they are certainly asking for it (playing into BoB's hands maybe). So im not saying categorical that this is a BoB/MC plot, but given the information provided sofar it just doesnt make much sence.

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Kriger, you try not getting annoyed when you are quietly mining in a dead end constellaation in the wee sma' hours and three possibly hostile ships enter local - one cloaks and ignores convo attempts, one logs, and the other leaves for a neighbour system in your constellation. Does that sound "benine" to you? Or does it sound like the final straw resulting in a public warning that we are done giving warnings.

Any ASCN who need a map http://www.ombeve.co.uk/Eve_Regions.pdf

Any ASCN who needs a clue, use your ingame map for MC's sov.

Match one to the other, print off the region highlighted, and write in large green pen in the appropriate area "Here be dragons!" and "Abandone hope all ye who enter!"

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Originally by: Hast

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Originally by: Kriger

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Originally by: Emsigma

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So you mean that BoB has 15:ish spies inside ASCN that they are burn just for the sake of ****ing MC off?

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I wouldnt know - but if you recall some of the history lessons im sure u've had to endure over the years, im sure the tactic will sound quite familiar, and given my previous points what sounds more likely:

A) ASCN are attacking the MC.
B) Some 'rogue' pilots are attacking the MC for whatever purpose.

So.. either the ASCN are insane, and/or their pilots are uncontrollable AND unbelieably stupid.
OR Something else is going on.

I can only speculate, but im pretty sure ASCN would like to survive.

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But ASCN is not like the mother hive with one mind. It has well over 4000 minds and opinions. Some of them might lack what we call intelligence, otherwise referred to as a clue. They might also be abit hotheaded at the moment. I'm not saying that this is a ASCN problem, but more of a general problem you see everywhere in humanity.

and Kriger, the last time I checked you guys hang out in Syndicate. Let me just make one thing clear to you as friendly as I can: We do not need the help of the MC in this war.

Their dreads might be helpful but not needed. And I'm pretty sure that even if they got involved we would still have to pay if we wanted to have some towers taken out Same if we wanted a empire war between ASCN and MC, Seleene wouldnt get off his fat arse without us waving some billions around.

They are mercs, not some landgrabbing alliance that can be goaded into a fight with some friendly fire incidents. We dont need them to help us right now, we are doing better then fine on our own at the moment.

Its just too easy to blame all that goes wrong for ASCN in this war on us and our socalled covert ops warfare (not in the ship sense).

Lost a fight? ah, its all those blasted spies on our TS. Here is a newsflash, even if we had them, they didnt destroy your ships.

A few soldiers not following orders? Just some BoB spies trying to stir up a hornets nest.

Node crash? OMG BOB HAX NODESPLOIT TIN FOIL HATZ ON!!!1 and also, they had spies on our TS

What I am getting at here is that spying can be a wonderful tool, and its working well. We dont need to have spies on your TS anymore due to your paranoia. So when are you gonna kick corps for being bob spies?

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Originally by: Spaja Saist

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Originally by: Kin Hanyerec

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Edited by: Kin Hanyerec on 11/11/2006 10:34:32

Originally by: Kriger

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No offence sel, but this one is just too obvious. You need an excuse to enter the war, BoB have numerous alts in ASCN (ofcourse) which they quite easily can use to 'violate' MC space - very convinient isnt it? Isnt this a bit too easy to figure out? Unless you guys rly got attacked by significant ASCN forces, we all know that not you, nor any1 else would really care about these few pilots. So if you guys want to have a go at ASCN, then bloody h*ll do it and dont miscredit yourselves with these sort of (dare i say BoB) forum tactics. Comon.. most of us have lived in 0.0.. we know whats its about and what is deemed a threat and what isnt. That just smells like arranged excuse to me, prolly cause you dont like the idea of MC being considered BoB's lapdog (no offence). I have no idea if you are but that post sure doesnt make much sence.

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Ofc course we are going to use our spies to attack MC, which are in friendly terms with us, so they will actually attack ASCN without us having to pay them for that.

It's a pretty much stupid tactic with no benefits (except economical which we dont need) and only drawbacks. We do not attack our friends and we dont do stupid things, do we ?

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Sure you do. How many former friends have you attacked? I remember when ASCN were set to blue. You guys attack whoever you want to alleviate boredom and to keep your members interested in Eve. That's the worst thing about BOB. They attack people for no rhyme or reason.

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Originally by: Trina Tron

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Originally by: Crohnx

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Edited by: Crohnx on 11/11/2006 09:07:11
so what happend this time? u know theres tons of **** spyes and alt pilots in ascn that are provoking MC to start war against us , u cant controll that ... its not ascn pilots its the "others"

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Are ascn ceo also spies? Becuse when the issue first started tonight we tired to convo the ceo of the people in our space. He rejected the convo.

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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Originally by: Spaja Saist

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Originally by: Kin Hanyerec

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Edited by: Kin Hanyerec on 11/11/2006 10:34:32

Originally by: Kriger

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No offence sel, but this one is just too obvious. You need an excuse to enter the war, BoB have numerous alts in ASCN (ofcourse) which they quite easily can use to 'violate' MC space - very convinient isnt it? Isnt this a bit too easy to figure out? Unless you guys rly got attacked by significant ASCN forces, we all know that not you, nor any1 else would really care about these few pilots. So if you guys want to have a go at ASCN, then bloody h*ll do it and dont miscredit yourselves with these sort of (dare i say BoB) forum tactics. Comon.. most of us have lived in 0.0.. we know whats its about and what is deemed a threat and what isnt. That just smells like arranged excuse to me, prolly cause you dont like the idea of MC being considered BoB's lapdog (no offence). I have no idea if you are but that post sure doesnt make much sence.

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Ofc course we are going to use our spies to attack MC, which are in friendly terms with us, so they will actually attack ASCN without us having to pay them for that.

It's a pretty much stupid tactic with no benefits (except economical which we dont need) and only drawbacks. We do not attack our friends and we dont do stupid things, do we ?

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Sure you do. How many former friends have you attacked? I remember when ASCN were set to blue. You guys attack whoever you want to alleviate boredom and to keep your members interested in Eve. That's the worst thing about BOB. They attack people for no rhyme or reason.

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Hi spamman.

We always have a reason for attacking.

Just because you aren't made aware of it doesn't mean the reason doesn't exist.

Thanks for caring, whoever you are.

dbp

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Originally by: Spaja Saist

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Yeah like I said, to keep your members interested. There was absolutely no reason to attack ASCN as they are not an expansionist alliance.

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Originally by: Spaja Saist

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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Originally by: Spaja Saist

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Originally by: Kin Hanyerec

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Edited by: Kin Hanyerec on 11/11/2006 10:34:32

Originally by: Kriger

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No offence sel, but this one is just too obvious. You need an excuse to enter the war, BoB have numerous alts in ASCN (ofcourse) which they quite easily can use to 'violate' MC space - very convinient isnt it? Isnt this a bit too easy to figure out? Unless you guys rly got attacked by significant ASCN forces, we all know that not you, nor any1 else would really care about these few pilots. So if you guys want to have a go at ASCN, then bloody h*ll do it and dont miscredit yourselves with these sort of (dare i say BoB) forum tactics. Comon.. most of us have lived in 0.0.. we know whats its about and what is deemed a threat and what isnt. That just smells like arranged excuse to me, prolly cause you dont like the idea of MC being considered BoB's lapdog (no offence). I have no idea if you are but that post sure doesnt make much sence.

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Ofc course we are going to use our spies to attack MC, which are in friendly terms with us, so they will actually attack ASCN without us having to pay them for that.

It's a pretty much stupid tactic with no benefits (except economical which we dont need) and only drawbacks. We do not attack our friends and we dont do stupid things, do we ?

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Sure you do. How many former friends have you attacked? I remember when ASCN were set to blue. You guys attack whoever you want to alleviate boredom and to keep your members interested in Eve. That's the worst thing about BOB. They attack people for no rhyme or reason.

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Hi spamman.

We always have a reason for attacking.

Just because you aren't made aware of it doesn't mean the reason doesn't exist.

Thanks for caring, whoever you are.

dbp

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Yeah like I said, to keep your members interested. There was absolutely no reason to attack ASCN as they are not an expansionist alliance. You guys just needed some new targets. Either that or you were really jealous that ASCN had the first Titan.

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Originally by: Rohann

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/emote pokes woody and moons him

I R NEKID SEE!?!?!?!?!

Originally by: Spaja Saist

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Originally by: Seleene

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Over the last several weeks, the leadership of the MC and elements of the ASCN High Command have worked very hard to maintain our mutual positive standings despite the current political and military situation between you and Band of Brothers. The MC has no stake or interest in the war currently being waged and has gone to great diplomatic lengths in order to maintain our neutrality. Yet, despite these efforts, some of your fellow alliance mates see fit to continue to push the boundaries of our patience and understanding.

Our understanding has evolved to confusion and our patience is now at an end.

Our space is well known. It is documented on the in-game map and quite easy to identify. It is a dead end constellation in Period Basis that is completely separate from any possible traffic hostile to you or your alliance. We have no interest in whatever conspiracy theory you might have on the location of our home. To enter our constellation without permission means that we will assume from this point forward that you have business with the MC of a not so friendly nature.

To be clear û take your tin foil hat off. BoB rarely enters our constellation for any reason without notifying us first. Even then, we see more of the occasional random pirate raider or, in this case, ASCN pilots than we do of BoB. They have no reason to be there. ItÆs not BoB land. ItÆs ours. BoB rarely comes into our house and neither should you unless you are looking for a fight.

I do not blame the ASCN HC, who have themselves worked hard to run damage control due to several incidents of a various nature these past weeks. It has now become obvious though that the ASCN HCÆs control over their pilots is limited at best and non existent at worst. ASCN HC is either being ignored or they are being disobeyed.

I thank ASCN HC for their past efforts but this situation is now in the hands of your pilots. We are not looking for a fight. Quite honestly, as ASCN HC well knows, we have plenty to do without this nonsense but enough is enough.

So, to the rank and file of ASCN: stay out of our home, unless you want us to come visit yours.

Thank you.

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Mercs holding space? Did BOB give you that region? Either way I thought you guys used to claim you would never try and hold any space.

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when backdoor bandit is in local.

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Originally by: Kirin

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So seleene with the current incursions from ASCn into yoru space, does this mean we wil have any delays in my veldspar deliveries or are you able to continue the agreed contract for me?

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Originally by: Santiago Cortes

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*Locked*

Begging is not allowed or appreciated on the forums.

Whining remains perfectly acceptable.

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Originally by: Trina Tron

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Originally by: Kirin

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So seleene with the current incursions from ASCn into yoru space, does this mean we wil have any delays in my veldspar deliveries or are you able to continue the agreed contract for me?

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Don't worry we have crovan working on it 23/7

Proof

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Originally by: Seleene

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Client - "You smash them."
MC - "Ooooh! Good! Like to smash!"

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Originally by: INZi

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so who where the aggressors?
public shame em

if they're bob-alts well ba-boom. if they actually "real" pilots of ascn, people will recognize em.

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Originally by: Amon 'Chakai

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Originally by: INZi

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so who where the aggressors?
public shame em

if they're bob-alts well ba-boom. if they actually "real" pilots of ascn, people will recognize em.

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asked that earlier myself aswell.. no reply on that yet so we would see that they'r actual pilots/corps who's members have done it.

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Originally by: Wladomir Jed

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There are one ASCN guy killed in 1-N today check our board if you want the name. But for some reason he shows up as huzza fed.

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Originally by: Gragnor

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<story>
...
Just call me the Tom Clancy of Eve.

You know it makes sense.

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Originally by: Spaja Saist

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Originally by: maria stallion

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these ASCN member who are attacking mc are making it worse for the people in ascn space that are fighting for it.
first you not fighting with the fleets and second like this your making a new hostile and by doing so making it even harder for your mates in ASCN.

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It's most likely BOB spies trying to get MC into the fight. Personally I hope MC gets into it since their claim of neutrality is a farce.

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Originally by: INZi

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so who where the aggressors?
public shame em

if they're bob-alts well ba-boom. if they actually "real" pilots of ascn, people will recognize em.

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Originally by: Dawn Princess

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Originally by: INZi

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so who where the aggressors?
public shame em

if they're bob-alts well ba-boom. if they actually "real" pilots of ascn, people will recognize em.

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One was a pilot from my corp who does not play that much and who thought a +ve standing with MC meant he had travel rights through their space on his way into BoB space.

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