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Quiick Jones Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2015.05.14 23:24:55 - [1] - Quote I've been playing this game for 5 months now and I'm looking down the road for a goal. I'm not into PVP and I'm a solo player. I've been playing MMO's for about 14 years and I've never joined a guild and I don't plan to join a corp. I don't mind duking it out with NPCs but not really with other players. So why the hell am I playing this game? Because all the other MMO's seem like they are being marketed to kids. They level too fast, combat is too easy and they got childish(some), and boring. Eve is difficult and I like that. I'm more of a builder then a fighter, so I was wondering if it's possible for a solo player to work towards having a POS or something like that. I don't really understand that part of the game yet. Taking time to figure it out is good too, but if it isn't really feasible then maybe I should move on. Does anyone ever make things or provide some kind of service for a corp without actually joining, (so they leave me alone and don't blow my sh.. stuff up)? What can a solo pacifist do? Thanks,
Rawketsled Generic Corp Name 195	Posted - 2015.05.14 23:44:56 - [2] - Quote A small POS can be profitable in highsec. Operating costs are ~$4M ISK per day. But... You'll need to be a in a player-corp to anchor a POS. You should consider forming your own. You'll pay less tax too! I'll leave most of the research up to you, but a highsec POS needs two things: fuel blocks and charters. Both can be bought on the market. But there are cheaper ways of getting them. You need to work out if they're worth it.
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 545	Posted - 2015.05.15 01:29:47 - [3] - Quote Eve is a PvP game and an MMO. I say this as a PvE player. But make no mistake about it this game is intentionaly designed towards PvP group activity. The devs have said repeatedly that their goal is to encourage group efforts over solo efforts. I'm not saying you can't play this game as a solo PvEer I'm just saying you are swimming up stream. If you want to solo build stuff play mine craft. Not sure why you want to play an MMO if you want to do everything solo. There are a million solo games out there. However it's your $15 a month so don't let me tell you how to play.
13kr1d1 Hedion University Amarr Empire 124	Posted - 2015.05.15 02:05:18 - [4] - Quote Form your own goals in game. Thats what sandboxes are for. At 5 drones of T2, the Tristan is nearly as powerful as the Algos, with a cheaper price tag, better maneuverability and speed, and smaller sig radius to avoid the lazy carebearish T3 station blapping -10s who have no life. Pick tristan for FW.
GordonO Evil Guinea Pigs 113	Posted - 2015.05.15 02:36:00 - [5] - Quote I would offer some advice, but that would be against your principles of working with someone in an MMO, and I would hate to be the one to ruin your enjoyment of this game.. ... What next ??
Darth Terona Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 57	Posted - 2015.05.15 03:49:45 - [6] - Quote Try pvp? Most people find they actually do enjoy it
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 1691	Posted - 2015.05.15 04:12:50 - [7] - Quote Uh, I guess you could do some exploration, run level 4's, do all seven epic arcs, buy a carrier, do level fives, move to w-space, solo a c6 site in a dread and then quit out of boredom? Just make sure you don't get ganked an never interact with the market. You might encounter pvp there. Are we sure this isn't a troll thread? This really seems like cutting out most of what eve has to offer. The only real options I can think of is getting into industry/trading which is a form of pvp, or just grinding the same missions over and over, which still will have pvp in the form of ganking and selling to the market. Founder of Violet Squadron, a small gang NPSI community! Mail me for more information. BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie's Space Mediation Service!
Zoe Athame KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 253	Posted - 2015.05.15 04:23:29 - [8] - Quote BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote: Uh, I guess you could do some exploration, run level 4's, do all seven epic arcs, buy a carrier, do level fives, move to w-space, solo a c6 site in a dread and then quit out of boredom? Just make sure you don't get ganked an never interact with the market. You might encounter pvp there. Are we sure this isn't a troll thread? You'd be surprised at how often people post stuff like this. Quiick Jones wrote: I'm a solo player. I've been playing MMO's for about 14 years and I've never joined a guild I have no idea why they play MMOs in the first place, but I assume they have built up this misconception about what actually goes on in social groups. Anytime someone explains why they don't want to join a corp their answer is always super extreme as if they heard one hyperbolic story and based their entire understanding on it.
Oraac Ensor 627	Posted - 2015.05.15 04:42:16 - [9] - Quote Zoe Athame wrote: Anytime someone explains why they don't want to join a corp their answer is always super extreme as if they heard one hyperbolic story and based their entire understanding on it. No, it isn't.
Exotic Matters Fried Liver Attack 40	Posted - 2015.05.15 04:42:21 - [10] - Quote I have sampled a little of most activities in this game, and the only one that I have found enjoyable that can be done effectively totally solo is exploration. You will be constantly trying to avoid other players, but you shouldn't need any help to do so. Of course you can run missions and similar rat hunting activities, but this starts getting awfully boring pretty fast. I wouldn't consider trading and industry "fun," they are just a means to get isk to spend on what I is fun to me, that is PvP. I suggest that you find a corp that doesn't demand much from you, Universal Freelance is such a corp, it is as its name implies a corp of individualists. That way you can do whatever you want, not pay any taxes, and have a small group to ask questions and perhaps say hi to every once in awhile. But you will find most corps do not demand much from you, but add content if and when you do choose to get involved.

Oraac Ensor 627	Posted - 2015.05.15 04:43:29 - [11] - Quote GordonO wrote: I would offer some advice, but that would be against your principles of working with someone in an MMO, and I would hate to be the one to ruin your enjoyment of this game.. How, exactly?
Oraac Ensor 627	Posted - 2015.05.15 04:47:48 - [12] - Quote BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote: Uh, I guess you could do some exploration, run level 4's, do all seven epic arcs, buy a carrier, do level fives, move to w-space, solo a c6 site in a dread and then quit out of boredom? Just make sure you don't get ganked an never interact with the market. You might encounter pvp there. Are we sure this isn't a troll thread? This really seems like cutting out most of what eve has to offer. The only real options I can think of is getting into industry/trading which is a form of pvp, or just grinding the same missions over and over, which still will have pvp in the form of ganking and selling to the market. I suppose you did read the OP? That's exactly what he's enquiring about. And please stop the "all EVE is PvP" crap - you know EXACTLY what he means by "PvP".
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out 8009	Posted - 2015.05.15 05:19:18 - [13] - Quote Oraac Ensor wrote: And please stop the "all EVE is PvP" crap - you know EXACTLY what he means by "PvP". The problem is that all the activities in EVE are interrelated in such a way that they do basically boil down to the traditional understanding of "PvP"... that being conflict with other players, usually at the end of a gun barrel. That's why people by-and-large say that EVE is about PvP. That said... - It IS possible to operate mostly solo in EVE... it is just fairly hard to do. - I say "mostly solo" in the last point because "keeping to yourself" will only be so effective and work for so long. Eventually everyone has to deal with other players for better or worse. - There are groups out there that specialize in "building" rather than destroying... but they generally keep a low profile (for obvious reasons) and/or join with more "aggressive" groups for safety (and potentially a market they can sell to). - In EVE, building things depends on and feeds conflict/warfare. The best building opportunities one can find will usually be within the "thick" of such conflicts. The trick is to manage the risk to yourself in such a way that your margins outweigh the costs and risks. - Your pacifist ethos will only work if you accept that the fruits of your labors will be used in the destruction of others... which will, in turn, make you a target to both the people you are in economic competition with and the people who are the enemies of the people you sold stuff to. There are no "civilians" or "innocents" here. - If you have a strong sense of honor... that's good. It means you can eventually become someone people trust. Just don't expect others to feel or behave the same way. - Don't refuse to join with a group of people "just because." Being social in EVE will give you a HUGE advantage both in information and support. It can also mean the difference between staying or leaving EVE. After all... why be in an MMO at all if all you want to do is play by yourself? - There as many different types of organizations are there are people... each with their own way of doing things. Some will be the stereotypical "hardcore" groups that demand your attention and obedience. Others won't care what you do or where. And many more fall somewhere in between. How did you Veterans start? The Skillpoint System and You
Errende Ebecee Somatology Laboratory 0	Posted - 2015.05.15 05:29:47 - [14] - Quote Quiick Jones wrote: What can a solo pacifist do? A good chunk of wormhole content. All exploration content. Everything that involves shooting AI, which is a lot(security missions, ratting, anoms). All mining content. All of missioning. All of industry. All of research. All of trading. All of PI. I would say that, despite cries to the contrary, about 3/4 of content in EVE does not involve shooting other players, or even coming into open conflict with them. I mean, sure, if you come to a high-sec belt to kill some rats, but another player was there before you and already killed them before you, I guess you could call it "high sec ratting PvP"... if you really wanted to. But by that logic even World of Warcraft is a open world PvP game.
Oraac Ensor 627	Posted - 2015.05.15 06:47:37 - [15] - Quote ShahFluffers wrote: Oraac Ensor wrote: And please stop the "all EVE is PvP" crap - you know EXACTLY what he means by "PvP". The problem is that all the activities in EVE are interrelated in such a way that they do basically boil down to the traditional understanding of "PvP"... that being conflict with other players, usually at the end of a gun barrel. That's why people by-and-large say that EVE is about PvP. No, that is not the problem. The problem is that people deliberately misconstrue what is meant by "PvP" when someone says they don't want it. I refuse to believe that there is anyone on these forums who doesn't know that "PvP" in this context means DIRECT player versus player COMBAT. The OP is enquiring about going into industry as an independent enterprise. Do you seriously believe that he doesn't realise that he will have to compete with other industrialists in that endeavour, whether selling to the open market or by arrangement with a particular corp? If you do you are grossly insulting his intelligence.
13kr1d1 Hedion University Amarr Empire 125	Posted - 2015.05.15 07:23:06 - [16] - Quote Oraac Ensor wrote: ShahFluffers wrote: Oraac Ensor wrote: And please stop the "all EVE is PvP" crap - you know EXACTLY what he means by "PvP". The problem is that all the activities in EVE are interrelated in such a way that they do basically boil down to the traditional understanding of "PvP"... that being conflict with other players, usually at the end of a gun barrel. That's why people by-and-large say that EVE is about PvP. No, that is not the problem. The problem is that people deliberately misconstrue what is meant by "PvP" when someone says they want to avoid it as much as possible. I refuse to believe that there is anyone on these forums who doesn't know that "PvP" in this context means DIRECT player versus player COMBAT. The OP is enquiring about going into industry as an independent enterprise. Do you seriously believe that he doesn't realise that he will have to compete with other industrialists in that endeavour, whether selling to the open market or by arrangement with a particular corp? If you do you are grossly insulting his intelligence. I saw a mammoth in one corp get shot down by a nightmare during undock earlier today. What's that mammoth doing being PVPed when they're just a poor industrialist? Was it market competition that evolved into direct warfare? It's certainly possible. That's what is meant by "all play eventually intersects pvp". Anything you can do in this game will eventually involve other players shooting you. At 5 drones of T2, the Tristan is nearly as powerful as the Algos, with a cheaper price tag, better maneuverability and speed, and smaller sig radius to avoid the lazy carebearish T3 station blapping -10s who have no life. Pick tristan for FW.
Oraac Ensor 627	Posted - 2015.05.15 07:28:10 - [17] - Quote 13kr1d1 wrote: I saw a mammoth in one corp get shot down by a nightmare during undock earlier today. What's that mammoth doing being PVPed when they're just a poor industrialist? Was it market competition that evolved into direct warfare? It's certainly possible. That's what is meant by "all play eventually intersects pvp". Anything you can do in this game will eventually involve other players shooting you. Thank you for providing an excellent example of exactly the sort of deliberate misinterpretation that I mentioned.
Praxis Ginimic Best Kept Frozen. 879	Posted - 2015.05.15 07:49:44 - [18] - Quote I have a few suggestions for you. A Band Apart is an alliance full of corps that do "solo with corp chat". Not all of them but talk to someone in Stay Frosty. They will set you right. If you are serious aboit being a pacifist then look up a corp called Signal Cartel. Its run by the old CEO of Hellcats (super cool chick). The corp is for explorers (mostly a solo profession) and has a strict no violence policy. When war dec'd they fly "hug fleets". Ask Minksy about it. As for the pos... its possible but tedious on your own. I guess you could approach it as a challenge?
Tipa Riot Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 369	Posted - 2015.05.15 08:05:34 - [19] - Quote EDIT: typed too long, Signal Cartel already mentioned by above post. OP, maybe Signal Cartel corp is worth a look. Group of explorers, providing one of the most valuable services in EvE https://www.eve-scout.com/ and pacifist (don't shoot first). For non-combat solo, exploration, market stuff, PI, industry are possible options ...but keeping away from other players is really hard in EvE and would certainly involve some masochism. Do you know the X-series from Egosoft? Similar setting but single player games. I'm my own NPC alt.
Lan Wang Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly. 594	Posted - 2015.05.15 08:16:37 - [20] - Quote Oraac Ensor wrote: BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote: Uh, I guess you could do some exploration, run level 4's, do all seven epic arcs, buy a carrier, do level fives, move to w-space, solo a c6 site in a dread and then quit out of boredom? Just make sure you don't get ganked an never interact with the market. You might encounter pvp there. Are we sure this isn't a troll thread? This really seems like cutting out most of what eve has to offer. The only real options I can think of is getting into industry/trading which is a form of pvp, or just grinding the same missions over and over, which still will have pvp in the form of ganking and selling to the market. I suppose you did read the OP? That's exactly what he's enquiring about. And please stop the "all EVE is PvP" crap - you know EXACTLY what he means by "PvP". think people just like to be right when they say everything is pvp, yeah it is and 90% of people consider pvp as only the combat side of things and everyone knows what someone means when they say "PvP" but they just like to correct them EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding \| Digital Design

Jack Jomar The Scope Gallente Federation 13	Posted - 2015.05.15 09:37:22 - [21] - Quote There are two obvious ways to play solo PvE without being combatant. Industry Finance The break down a little. Industry: Mining Manufacturing Research and Development Finance: Contracting Trading There is also a Logistics line, which is self explanatory which sits somewhere between the two - hauling goods to various locations, either as a haulier, or transporting your own products for sale. Let's go a little further in. Mining is self explanatory but you can mine in high sec (safe and dull) low sec (pretty fun, sometimes dull) or nullsec (quite involved, bit dull, bit interesting). However, mining is known for being boring as sin - easy money in high sec as long as you don't do something dumb - just watch out for gankers who enjoy podding you. Manufacturing - you can break into a number of markets here - either using your own mined resources, or buying the materials and using them to construct items/gear. As for the products you make, you can build basic t1 gear, advanced t2 gear, or difficult to resource t3 gear. either acquiring the resources yourself, or purchasing them from the market from those who have. I'll also include planetary interaction under this heading as PI is a way to manufacture some goods/components that can reasonably done single player style. Ish. R&D is basically invention and is necessary to build/acquire tech 2 or higher equipment. This can make a mint as you acquire the needed blueprints and materials necessary to build this advanced technology. Alternately you can use research to improve existing blueprint originals of t1 or better equipment, and then make copies of these improve blueprints to sell the copies on the market. These three generic professions tend to intermix quite a lot. And if you want to self-source materials for t3 (and sometimes t2) gear, you'll need to break into exploration using probing mechanics and maybe dive into wormhole space. Possible to solo to a limited degree if you have the skills/funds, but it's extremely high risk, and debatable reward at the levels where soloing is possible - to get the most out of it requires others to work with you. As for finance and trade, you can acquire goods and contract them on the market as auction if they're rare enough or direct trade at reasonable prices if not. or you can play the market prospecting on the values of various items or resources, buying low, selling high, and watching patch notes to figure out how market values will fluctuate. As the game meta changes for combat (especially in null) you'll see shifts in the pricing of desired equipment and ships. The market will also fluctuate in response to the supply of mined minerals. This is especially true of ice and ice products, as has been proven in previous years by certain events. Many people have made serious bank by prospecting on events like burn jita, or ice interdictions. You can also solo run missions/basic exploration where you'll encounter NPC pirates which you will have to kill to earn your cash. For non-multiperson gaming, the best you'll find is various level 4s or other similar content. My earlier comments on exploration and wormholes will still hold water in this regard. For combat content, there is a certain point you cannot progress past successfully (at a reasonable price, or in some cases any price) without other players to back you up. And you'd best avoid faction warfare as, in the main, that is pvp. As for a solo POS, you will need to make a single-man corp to do it, and you will need to generate standings (fastest way to do this is run combat missions for an NPC empire corp) and manufacture fuel (either by manufacturing them, or buying them). And then you will need to keep it fuelled and supplied and equipped to do what you need it to do (such as research, manufacturing, mining, etc). as a single person corp you'll have to look out for wardecs and people who want to shoot your POS (which in highsec is usually just for "lulz" or because they want that spot for their own POS). In all honesty, this is an mmo, and most players get more community and enjoyment from being in a multi-person corp and working/talking with other players while online. It's certainly a way to learn more about the game too (and you get more protection from hostiles this way as well). However, if you can successfully enjoy soloing a game like EVE, then power to you.
erg cz Tribal Core 251	Posted - 2015.05.15 09:53:08 - [22] - Quote Errende Ebecee wrote: Quiick Jones wrote: What can a solo pacifist do? A good chunk of wormhole content. All exploration content. Everything that involves shooting AI, which is a lot(security missions, ratting, anoms, even Incursions to an extent). All mining content. All of missioning. All of industry. All of research. All of trading. All of PI. Finally answer to what OP asked. It is so unbelievable to me how PvP oriented players arogant and short minded about this beautifull game... I think I understand how OP feels. I was looking for a place in the universe, that I can call my home untill I found such couple of constallations in gallente high sec, that offer L4 security missions, plenty of belts / anomalies / signatures with few 0 production costs systems and, what is most important, only 10-15 people online. I mean online in whole constallation. So I can really mine without risk of CODE. interfierence, manufacture all I want with low cost (plenty of place to set the POS), explore all day long untouched signatures (when I first came into the pocket there was like 20 anomalies + signatures in most systems, barely fited my monitor). If I want missioning - there is a L4 security agent to work for. And L4 missions, done in differently fitted ships can give you different experiende, so it is not all that boring if you switch to some other activity from time to time. And since there is plenty of signatures - I can wormhole dive as long as I want. And wormholes are gates to ever changing content as well. Incursions are not solo, trading is not PvE. Space tourism, making fotos of you and different celestial object is probably most relaxing and amusing PvE for me :))). But sooner or later you want to get place you can call 'home'. And POS, even if it does not give you profit, can be one. So POS just for 'having a home' purpose is perfectly legit goal, IMHO. PS: I do PvP from time to time, as member of FW corp. It is fun, yes, but please, please do not condemn players, who avoid this kind of activity. Eve is not a shooter, there is plenty of environment to explore and enjoy. Sooner or later (as in my case, much later ;) carebare WILL get into PvP )
Solecist Project Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD 24620	Posted - 2015.05.15 12:37:14 - [23] - Quote So now people argue about how a word is being used ... ... when it's obvious that it is being used wrongly? When someone uses a word, others don't adapt to what he meant. When he uses it wrongly, he has to correct his wrong understanding. What can solo pacifist do? Learn what actually PvP means ... ... and die like the rest of them. Ingame, ofc! S.O.L. GANKING4GOOD The difference between me whining and you whining is that I whine and keep trying, no matter what. You weaklings do nothing BUT whining. Disgusting.
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop 3931	Posted - 2015.05.15 13:10:18 - [24] - Quote I have no idea why people get so worked up about solo play in EVE. Sure, the social element is probably the best part of the game, but by no means the only good one. OP, Jack's answer above is pretty exhaustive. If you enjoy industry, you can do almost anything by yourself (alts help a lot, obviously), including managing a POS (though do the math to see if you really need one) or even build capital ships. Not sure if by solo you mean 'zero interaction with other players' or not. Because for a few industrial activities you'll need relations with people, even if only in a 'professional' sense. For example to sell capital ships (best to have customers you talk to) or to build supercaps (for this you need a nullsec alliance to want to work with you, I'd assume it's quite hard but if you're good at what you do you'll have a chance). Other than these kind of activities, you can build just about anything alone, do the logistics yourself and just sell it all 'anonymously' in Jita or wherever. Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Oraac Ensor 631	Posted - 2015.05.15 14:20:48 - [25] - Quote Gully Alex Foyle wrote: Not sure if by solo you mean 'zero interaction with other players' or not. I don't think anyone ever means that when referring to EVE. That would mean never buying anything meaningful from the market other than skill books and only selling the stuff that's bought only by NPCs. It's virtually impossible. In the OP's case he specifically mentions forming a relationship with a corp - how would he do that without interacting with other players?
Ocean Ormand Bagel and Lox 4	Posted - 2015.05.15 15:28:27 - [26] - Quote Quiick Jones wrote: I've been playing this game for 5 months now and I'm looking down the road for a goal. I'm not into PVP and I'm a solo player. I've been playing MMO's for about 14 years and I've never joined a guild and I don't plan to join a corp. I don't mind duking it out with NPCs but not really with other players. So why the hell am I playing this game? Because all the other MMO's seem like they are being marketed to kids. They level too fast, combat is too easy and they got childish(some), and boring. Eve is difficult and I like that. I'm more of a builder then a fighter, so I was wondering if it's possible for a solo player to work towards having a POS or something like that. I don't really understand that part of the game yet. Taking time to figure it out is good too, but if it isn't really feasible then maybe I should move on. Does anyone ever make things or provide some kind of service for a corp without actually joining, (so they leave me alone and don't blow my sh.. stuff up)? What can a solo pacifist do? Thanks, There are lots of people who play this game who dont play well with others. People frequently set up their own corps where it is just them and their alts. I've known/seen guys with multiple alts all mining, doing industry, etc. . . . If that's your thing, do it - it can be very profitable. Just keep in mind that you will not be able to avoid other players. Eventually pvp in one form or another will find you - be it market pvp where someone is trying to undercut your prices or actual pvp from a ganker, war deccer or random pirate.
Lost Greybeard Drunken Yordles 613	Posted - 2015.05.15 17:05:29 - [27] - Quote If you don't want to interact with other players: Step 1: Stop playing this game. Step 2: Buy Skyrim Step 3: Play Skyrim, it's good
Oraac Ensor 631	Posted - 2015.05.15 17:35:00 - [28] - Quote Lost Greybeard wrote: If you don't want to interact with other players . . . Oraac Ensor wrote: . . . he specifically mentions forming a relationship with a corp - how would he do that without interacting with other players?
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 1694	Posted - 2015.05.15 19:59:28 - [29] - Quote Oraac Ensor wrote: Lost Greybeard wrote: If you don't want to interact with other players . . . Oraac Ensor wrote: . . . he specifically mentions forming a relationship with a corp - how would he do that without interacting with other players? Actually he specifically mentions not joining a corp. Quote: I don't plan to join a corp I'm not going to bother defending myself against your other statements. You said in your posts that you understand what pvp is, and my post gave non-combat options for engaging in it. I'm glad we're in agreement. Founder of Violet Squadron, a small gang NPSI community! Mail me for more information. BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie's Space Mediation Service!
Quiick Jones Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2015.05.15 20:34:05 - [30] - Quote Looks like I need to define solo. It means being able to do what I want, when I want. It means not being tied to what others want to do. It does NOT mean I don't want to interact with other players. I like going about doing my own thing, and if I screw up it doesn't effect anybody else. There's some good information here. Thanks for all the helpful responses. And to the others, I didn't mean to be a threat to your play style. I was just looking for direction and guidance.



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