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Quiick Jones Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2015.05.14 23:24:55 - [1] - Quote I've been playing this game for 5 months now and I'm looking down the road for a goal. I'm not into PVP and I'm a solo player. I've been playing MMO's for about 14 years and I've never joined a guild and I don't plan to join a corp. I don't mind duking it out with NPCs but not really with other players. So why the hell am I playing this game? Because all the other MMO's seem like they are being marketed to kids. They level too fast, combat is too easy and they got childish(some), and boring. Eve is difficult and I like that. I'm more of a builder then a fighter, so I was wondering if it's possible for a solo player to work towards having a POS or something like that. I don't really understand that part of the game yet. Taking time to figure it out is good too, but if it isn't really feasible then maybe I should move on. Does anyone ever make things or provide some kind of service for a corp without actually joining, (so they leave me alone and don't blow my sh.. stuff up)? What can a solo pacifist do? Thanks,
Rawketsled Generic Corp Name 195	Posted - 2015.05.14 23:44:56 - [2] - Quote A small POS can be profitable in highsec. Operating costs are ~$4M ISK per day. But... You'll need to be a in a player-corp to anchor a POS. You should consider forming your own. You'll pay less tax too! I'll leave most of the research up to you, but a highsec POS needs two things: fuel blocks and charters. Both can be bought on the market. But there are cheaper ways of getting them. You need to work out if they're worth it.
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 545	Posted - 2015.05.15 01:29:47 - [3] - Quote Eve is a PvP game and an MMO. I say this as a PvE player. But make no mistake about it this game is intentionaly designed towards PvP group activity. The devs have said repeatedly that their goal is to encourage group efforts over solo efforts. I'm not saying you can't play this game as a solo PvEer I'm just saying you are swimming up stream. If you want to solo build stuff play mine craft. Not sure why you want to play an MMO if you want to do everything solo. There are a million solo games out there. However it's your $15 a month so don't let me tell you how to play.
13kr1d1 Hedion University Amarr Empire 124	Posted - 2015.05.15 02:05:18 - [4] - Quote Form your own goals in game. Thats what sandboxes are for. At 5 drones of T2, the Tristan is nearly as powerful as the Algos, with a cheaper price tag, better maneuverability and speed, and smaller sig radius to avoid the lazy carebearish T3 station blapping -10s who have no life. Pick tristan for FW.
GordonO Evil Guinea Pigs 113	Posted - 2015.05.15 02:36:00 - [5] - Quote I would offer some advice, but that would be against your principles of working with someone in an MMO, and I would hate to be the one to ruin your enjoyment of this game.. ... What next ??
Darth Terona Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 57	Posted - 2015.05.15 03:49:45 - [6] - Quote Try pvp? Most people find they actually do enjoy it
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 1691	Posted - 2015.05.15 04:12:50 - [7] - Quote Uh, I guess you could do some exploration, run level 4's, do all seven epic arcs, buy a carrier, do level fives, move to w-space, solo a c6 site in a dread and then quit out of boredom? Just make sure you don't get ganked an never interact with the market. You might encounter pvp there. Are we sure this isn't a troll thread? This really seems like cutting out most of what eve has to offer. The only real options I can think of is getting into industry/trading which is a form of pvp, or just grinding the same missions over and over, which still will have pvp in the form of ganking and selling to the market. Founder of Violet Squadron, a small gang NPSI community! Mail me for more information. BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie's Space Mediation Service!
Zoe Athame KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 253	Posted - 2015.05.15 04:23:29 - [8] - Quote BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote: Uh, I guess you could do some exploration, run level 4's, do all seven epic arcs, buy a carrier, do level fives, move to w-space, solo a c6 site in a dread and then quit out of boredom? Just make sure you don't get ganked an never interact with the market. You might encounter pvp there. Are we sure this isn't a troll thread? You'd be surprised at how often people post stuff like this. Quiick Jones wrote: I'm a solo player. I've been playing MMO's for about 14 years and I've never joined a guild I have no idea why they play MMOs in the first place, but I assume they have built up this misconception about what actually goes on in social groups. Anytime someone explains why they don't want to join a corp their answer is always super extreme as if they heard one hyperbolic story and based their entire understanding on it.
Oraac Ensor 627	Posted - 2015.05.15 04:42:16 - [9] - Quote Zoe Athame wrote: Anytime someone explains why they don't want to join a corp their answer is always super extreme as if they heard one hyperbolic story and based their entire understanding on it. No, it isn't.
Exotic Matters Fried Liver Attack 40	Posted - 2015.05.15 04:42:21 - [10] - Quote I have sampled a little of most activities in this game, and the only one that I have found enjoyable that can be done effectively totally solo is exploration. You will be constantly trying to avoid other players, but you shouldn't need any help to do so. Of course you can run missions and similar rat hunting activities, but this starts getting awfully boring pretty fast. I wouldn't consider trading and industry "fun," they are just a means to get isk to spend on what I is fun to me, that is PvP. I suggest that you find a corp that doesn't demand much from you, Universal Freelance is such a corp, it is as its name implies a corp of individualists. That way you can do whatever you want, not pay any taxes, and have a small group to ask questions and perhaps say hi to every once in awhile. But you will find most corps do not demand much from you, but add content if and when you do choose to get involved.

Oraac Ensor 627	Posted - 2015.05.15 04:43:29 - [11] - Quote GordonO wrote: I would offer some advice, but that would be against your principles of working with someone in an MMO, and I would hate to be the one to ruin your enjoyment of this game.. How, exactly?
Oraac Ensor 627	Posted - 2015.05.15 04:47:48 - [12] - Quote BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote: Uh, I guess you could do some exploration, run level 4's, do all seven epic arcs, buy a carrier, do level fives, move to w-space, solo a c6 site in a dread and then quit out of boredom? Just make sure you don't get ganked an never interact with the market. You might encounter pvp there. Are we sure this isn't a troll thread? This really seems like cutting out most of what eve has to offer. The only real options I can think of is getting into industry/trading which is a form of pvp, or just grinding the same missions over and over, which still will have pvp in the form of ganking and selling to the market. I suppose you did read the OP? That's exactly what he's enquiring about. And please stop the "all EVE is PvP" crap - you know EXACTLY what he means by "PvP".
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out 8009	Posted - 2015.05.15 05:19:18 - [13] - Quote Oraac Ensor wrote: And please stop the "all EVE is PvP" crap - you know EXACTLY what he means by "PvP". The problem is that all the activities in EVE are interrelated in such a way that they do basically boil down to the traditional understanding of "PvP"... that being conflict with other players, usually at the end of a gun barrel. That's why people by-and-large say that EVE is about PvP. That said... - It IS possible to operate mostly solo in EVE... it is just fairly hard to do. - I say "mostly solo" in the last point because "keeping to yourself" will only be so effective and work for so long. Eventually everyone has to deal with other players for better or worse. - There are groups out there that specialize in "building" rather than destroying... but they generally keep a low profile (for obvious reasons) and/or join with more "aggressive" groups for safety (and potentially a market they can sell to). - In EVE, building things depends on and feeds conflict/warfare. The best building opportunities one can find will usually be within the "thick" of such conflicts. The trick is to manage the risk to yourself in such a way that your margins outweigh the costs and risks. - Your pacifist ethos will only work if you accept that the fruits of your labors will be used in the destruction of others... which will, in turn, make you a target to both the people you are in economic competition with and the people who are the enemies of the people you sold stuff to. There are no "civilians" or "innocents" here. - If you have a strong sense of honor... that's good. It means you can eventually become someone people trust. Just don't expect others to feel or behave the same way. - Don't refuse to join with a group of people "just because." Being social in EVE will give you a HUGE advantage both in information and support. It can also mean the difference between staying or leaving EVE. After all... why be in an MMO at all if all you want to do is play by yourself? - There as many different types of organizations are there are people... each with their own way of doing things. Some will be the stereotypical "hardcore" groups that demand your attention and obedience. Others won't care what you do or where. And many more fall somewhere in between. How did you Veterans start? The Skillpoint System and You
Errende Ebecee Somatology Laboratory 0	Posted - 2015.05.15 05:29:47 - [14] - Quote Quiick Jones wrote: What can a solo pacifist do? A good chunk of wormhole content. All exploration content. Everything that involves shooting AI, which is a lot(security missions, ratting, anoms). All mining content. All of missioning. All of industry. All of research. All of trading. All of PI. I would say that, despite cries to the contrary, about 3/4 of content in EVE does not involve shooting other players, or even coming into open conflict with them. I mean, sure, if you come to a high-sec belt to kill some rats, but another player was there before you and already killed them before you, I guess you could call it "high sec ratting PvP"... if you really wanted to. But by that logic even World of Warcraft is a open world PvP game.
Oraac Ensor 627	Posted - 2015.05.15 06:47:37 - [15] - Quote ShahFluffers wrote: Oraac Ensor wrote: And please stop the "all EVE is PvP" crap - you know EXACTLY what he means by "PvP". The problem is that all the activities in EVE are interrelated in such a way that they do basically boil down to the traditional understanding of "PvP"... that being conflict with other players, usually at the end of a gun barrel. That's why people by-and-large say that EVE is about PvP. No, that is not the problem. The problem is that people deliberately misconstrue what is meant by "PvP" when someone says they don't want it. I refuse to believe that there is anyone on these forums who doesn't know that "PvP" in this context means DIRECT player versus player COMBAT. The OP is enquiring about going into industry as an independent enterprise. Do you seriously believe that he doesn't realise that he will have to compete with other industrialists in that endeavour, whether selling to the open market or by arrangement with a particular corp? If you do you are grossly insulting his intelligence.
13kr1d1 Hedion University Amarr Empire 125	Posted - 2015.05.15 07:23:06 - [16] - Quote Oraac Ensor wrote: ShahFluffers wrote: Oraac Ensor wrote: And please stop the "all EVE is PvP" crap - you know EXACTLY what he means by "PvP". The problem is that all the activities in EVE are interrelated in such a way that they do basically boil down to the traditional understanding of "PvP"... that being conflict with other players, usually at the end of a gun barrel. That's why people by-and-large say that EVE is about PvP. No, that is not the problem. The problem is that people deliberately misconstrue what is meant by "PvP" when someone says they want to avoid it as much as possible. I refuse to believe that there is anyone on these forums who doesn't know that "PvP" in this context means DIRECT player versus player COMBAT. The OP is enquiring about going into industry as an independent enterprise. Do you seriously believe that he doesn't realise that he will have to compete with other industrialists in that endeavour, whether selling to the open market or by arrangement with a particular corp? If you do you are grossly insulting his intelligence. I saw a mammoth in one corp get shot down by a nightmare during undock earlier today. What's that mammoth doing being PVPed when they're just a poor industrialist? Was it market competition that evolved into direct warfare? It's certainly possible. That's what is meant by "all play eventually intersects pvp". Anything you can do in this game will eventually involve other players shooting you. At 5 drones of T2, the Tristan is nearly as powerful as the Algos, with a cheaper price tag, better maneuverability and speed, and smaller sig radius to avoid the lazy carebearish T3 station blapping -10s who have no life. Pick tristan for FW.
Oraac Ensor 627	Posted - 2015.05.15 07:28:10 - [17] - Quote 13kr1d1 wrote: I saw a mammoth in one corp get shot down by a nightmare during undock earlier today. What's that mammoth doing being PVPed when they're just a poor industrialist? Was it market competition that evolved into direct warfare? It's certainly possible. That's what is meant by "all play eventually intersects pvp". Anything you can do in this game will eventually involve other players shooting you. Thank you for providing an excellent example of exactly the sort of deliberate misinterpretation that I mentioned.
Praxis Ginimic Best Kept Frozen. 879	Posted - 2015.05.15 07:49:44 - [18] - Quote I have a few suggestions for you. A Band Apart is an alliance full of corps that do "solo with corp chat". Not all of them but talk to someone in Stay Frosty. They will set you right. If you are serious aboit being a pacifist then look up a corp called Signal Cartel. Its run by the old CEO of Hellcats (super cool chick). The corp is for explorers (mostly a solo profession) and has a strict no violence policy. When war dec'd they fly "hug fleets". Ask Minksy about it. As for the pos... its possible but tedious on your own. I guess you could approach it as a challenge?
Tipa Riot Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 369	Posted - 2015.05.15 08:05:34 - [19] - Quote EDIT: typed too long, Signal Cartel already mentioned by above post. OP, maybe Signal Cartel corp is worth a look. Group of explorers, providing one of the most valuable services in EvE https://www.eve-scout.com/ and pacifist (don't shoot first). For non-combat solo, exploration, market stuff, PI, industry are possible options ...but keeping away from other players is really hard in EvE and would certainly involve some masochism. Do you know the X-series from Egosoft? Similar setting but single player games. I'm my own NPC alt.
Lan Wang Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly. 594	Posted - 2015.05.15 08:16:37 - [20] - Quote Oraac Ensor wrote: BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote: Uh, I guess you could do some exploration, run level 4's, do all seven epic arcs, buy a carrier, do level fives, move to w-space, solo a c6 site in a dread and then quit out of boredom? Just make sure you don't get ganked an never interact with the market. You might encounter pvp there. Are we sure this isn't a troll thread? This really seems like cutting out most of what eve has to offer. The only real options I can think of is getting into industry/trading which is a form of pvp, or just grinding the same missions over and over, which still will have pvp in the form of ganking and selling to the market. I suppose you did read the OP? That's exactly what he's enquiring about. And please stop the "all EVE is PvP" crap - you know EXACTLY what he means by "PvP". think people just like to be right when they say everything is pvp, yeah it is and 90% of people consider pvp as only the combat side of things and everyone knows what someone means when they say "PvP" but they just like to correct them EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding \| Digital Design

Jack Jomar The Scope Gallente Federation 13	Posted - 2015.05.15 09:37:22 - [21] - Quote There are two obvious ways to play solo PvE without being combatant. Industry Finance The break down a little. Industry: Mining Manufacturing Research and Development Finance: Contracting Trading There is also a Logistics line, which is self explanatory which sits somewhere between the two - hauling goods to various locations, either as a haulier, or transporting your own products for sale. Let's go a little further in. Mining is self explanatory but you can mine in high sec (safe and dull) low sec (pretty fun, sometimes dull) or nullsec (quite involved, bit dull, bit interesting). However, mining is known for being boring as sin - easy money in high sec as long as you don't do something dumb - just watch out for gankers who enjoy podding you. Manufacturing - you can break into a number of markets here - either using your own mined resources, or buying the materials and using them to construct items/gear. As for the products you make, you can build basic t1 gear, advanced t2 gear, or difficult to resource t3 gear. either acquiring the resources yourself, or purchasing them from the market from those who have. I'll also include planetary interaction under this heading as PI is a way to manufacture some goods/components that can reasonably done single player style. Ish. R&D is basically invention and is necessary to build/acquire tech 2 or higher equipment. This can make a mint as you acquire the needed blueprints and materials necessary to build this advanced technology. Alternately you can use research to improve existing blueprint originals of t1 or better equipment, and then make copies of these improve blueprints to sell the copies on the market. These three generic professions tend to intermix quite a lot. And if you want to self-source materials for t3 (and sometimes t2) gear, you'll need to break into exploration using probing mechanics and maybe dive into wormhole space. Possible to solo to a limited degree if you have the skills/funds, but it's extremely high risk, and debatable reward at the levels where soloing is possible - to get the most out of it requires others to work with you. As for finance and trade, you can acquire goods and contract them on the market as auction if they're rare enough or direct trade at reasonable prices if not. or you can play the market prospecting on the values of various items or resources, buying low, selling high, and watching patch notes to figure out how market values will fluctuate. As the game meta changes for combat (especially in null) you'll see shifts in the pricing of desired equipment and ships. The market will also fluctuate in response to the supply of mined minerals. This is especially true of ice and ice products, as has been proven in previous years by certain events. Many people have made serious bank by prospecting on events like burn jita, or ice interdictions. You can also solo run missions/basic exploration where you'll encounter NPC pirates which you will have to kill to earn your cash. For non-multiperson gaming, the best you'll find is various level 4s or other similar content. My earlier comments on exploration and wormholes will still hold water in this regard. For combat content, there is a certain point you cannot progress past successfully (at a reasonable price, or in some cases any price) without other players to back you up. And you'd best avoid faction warfare as, in the main, that is pvp. As for a solo POS, you will need to make a single-man corp to do it, and you will need to generate standings (fastest way to do this is run combat missions for an NPC empire corp) and manufacture fuel (either by manufacturing them, or buying them). And then you will need to keep it fuelled and supplied and equipped to do what you need it to do (such as research, manufacturing, mining, etc). as a single person corp you'll have to look out for wardecs and people who want to shoot your POS (which in highsec is usually just for "lulz" or because they want that spot for their own POS). In all honesty, this is an mmo, and most players get more community and enjoyment from being in a multi-person corp and working/talking with other players while online. It's certainly a way to learn more about the game too (and you get more protection from hostiles this way as well). However, if you can successfully enjoy soloing a game like EVE, then power to you.
erg cz Tribal Core 251	Posted - 2015.05.15 09:53:08 - [22] - Quote Errende Ebecee wrote: Quiick Jones wrote: What can a solo pacifist do? A good chunk of wormhole content. All exploration content. Everything that involves shooting AI, which is a lot(security missions, ratting, anoms, even Incursions to an extent). All mining content. All of missioning. All of industry. All of research. All of trading. All of PI. Finally answer to what OP asked. It is so unbelievable to me how PvP oriented players arogant and short minded about this beautifull game... I think I understand how OP feels. I was looking for a place in the universe, that I can call my home untill I found such couple of constallations in gallente high sec, that offer L4 security missions, plenty of belts / anomalies / signatures with few 0 production costs systems and, what is most important, only 10-15 people online. I mean online in whole constallation. So I can really mine without risk of CODE. interfierence, manufacture all I want with low cost (plenty of place to set the POS), explore all day long untouched signatures (when I first came into the pocket there was like 20 anomalies + signatures in most systems, barely fited my monitor). If I want missioning - there is a L4 security agent to work for. And L4 missions, done in differently fitted ships can give you different experiende, so it is not all that boring if you switch to some other activity from time to time. And since there is plenty of signatures - I can wormhole dive as long as I want. And wormholes are gates to ever changing content as well. Incursions are not solo, trading is not PvE. Space tourism, making fotos of you and different celestial object is probably most relaxing and amusing PvE for me :))). But sooner or later you want to get place you can call 'home'. And POS, even if it does not give you profit, can be one. So POS just for 'having a home' purpose is perfectly legit goal, IMHO. PS: I do PvP from time to time, as member of FW corp. It is fun, yes, but please, please do not condemn players, who avoid this kind of activity. Eve is not a shooter, there is plenty of environment to explore and enjoy. Sooner or later (as in my case, much later ;) carebare WILL get into PvP )
Solecist Project Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD 24620	Posted - 2015.05.15 12:37:14 - [23] - Quote So now people argue about how a word is being used ... ... when it's obvious that it is being used wrongly? When someone uses a word, others don't adapt to what he meant. When he uses it wrongly, he has to correct his wrong understanding. What can solo pacifist do? Learn what actually PvP means ... ... and die like the rest of them. Ingame, ofc! S.O.L. GANKING4GOOD The difference between me whining and you whining is that I whine and keep trying, no matter what. You weaklings do nothing BUT whining. Disgusting.
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop 3931	Posted - 2015.05.15 13:10:18 - [24] - Quote I have no idea why people get so worked up about solo play in EVE. Sure, the social element is probably the best part of the game, but by no means the only good one. OP, Jack's answer above is pretty exhaustive. If you enjoy industry, you can do almost anything by yourself (alts help a lot, obviously), including managing a POS (though do the math to see if you really need one) or even build capital ships. Not sure if by solo you mean 'zero interaction with other players' or not. Because for a few industrial activities you'll need relations with people, even if only in a 'professional' sense. For example to sell capital ships (best to have customers you talk to) or to build supercaps (for this you need a nullsec alliance to want to work with you, I'd assume it's quite hard but if you're good at what you do you'll have a chance). Other than these kind of activities, you can build just about anything alone, do the logistics yourself and just sell it all 'anonymously' in Jita or wherever. Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Oraac Ensor 631	Posted - 2015.05.15 14:20:48 - [25] - Quote Gully Alex Foyle wrote: Not sure if by solo you mean 'zero interaction with other players' or not. I don't think anyone ever means that when referring to EVE. That would mean never buying anything meaningful from the market other than skill books and only selling the stuff that's bought only by NPCs. It's virtually impossible. In the OP's case he specifically mentions forming a relationship with a corp - how would he do that without interacting with other players?
Ocean Ormand Bagel and Lox 4	Posted - 2015.05.15 15:28:27 - [26] - Quote Quiick Jones wrote: I've been playing this game for 5 months now and I'm looking down the road for a goal. I'm not into PVP and I'm a solo player. I've been playing MMO's for about 14 years and I've never joined a guild and I don't plan to join a corp. I don't mind duking it out with NPCs but not really with other players. So why the hell am I playing this game? Because all the other MMO's seem like they are being marketed to kids. They level too fast, combat is too easy and they got childish(some), and boring. Eve is difficult and I like that. I'm more of a builder then a fighter, so I was wondering if it's possible for a solo player to work towards having a POS or something like that. I don't really understand that part of the game yet. Taking time to figure it out is good too, but if it isn't really feasible then maybe I should move on. Does anyone ever make things or provide some kind of service for a corp without actually joining, (so they leave me alone and don't blow my sh.. stuff up)? What can a solo pacifist do? Thanks, There are lots of people who play this game who dont play well with others. People frequently set up their own corps where it is just them and their alts. I've known/seen guys with multiple alts all mining, doing industry, etc. . . . If that's your thing, do it - it can be very profitable. Just keep in mind that you will not be able to avoid other players. Eventually pvp in one form or another will find you - be it market pvp where someone is trying to undercut your prices or actual pvp from a ganker, war deccer or random pirate.
Lost Greybeard Drunken Yordles 613	Posted - 2015.05.15 17:05:29 - [27] - Quote If you don't want to interact with other players: Step 1: Stop playing this game. Step 2: Buy Skyrim Step 3: Play Skyrim, it's good
Oraac Ensor 631	Posted - 2015.05.15 17:35:00 - [28] - Quote Lost Greybeard wrote: If you don't want to interact with other players . . . Oraac Ensor wrote: . . . he specifically mentions forming a relationship with a corp - how would he do that without interacting with other players?
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 1694	Posted - 2015.05.15 19:59:28 - [29] - Quote Oraac Ensor wrote: Lost Greybeard wrote: If you don't want to interact with other players . . . Oraac Ensor wrote: . . . he specifically mentions forming a relationship with a corp - how would he do that without interacting with other players? Actually he specifically mentions not joining a corp. Quote: I don't plan to join a corp I'm not going to bother defending myself against your other statements. You said in your posts that you understand what pvp is, and my post gave non-combat options for engaging in it. I'm glad we're in agreement. Founder of Violet Squadron, a small gang NPSI community! Mail me for more information. BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie's Space Mediation Service!
Quiick Jones Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2015.05.15 20:34:05 - [30] - Quote Looks like I need to define solo. It means being able to do what I want, when I want. It means not being tied to what others want to do. It does NOT mean I don't want to interact with other players. I like going about doing my own thing, and if I screw up it doesn't effect anybody else. There's some good information here. Thanks for all the helpful responses. And to the others, I didn't mean to be a threat to your play style. I was just looking for direction and guidance.

Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop 3931	Posted - 2015.05.15 22:00:13 - [31] - Quote Quiick Jones wrote: Looks like I need to define solo. It means being able to do what I want, when I want. It means not being tied to what others want to do. It does NOT mean I don't want to interact with other players. I like going about doing my own thing, and if I screw up it doesn't effect anybody else. There's some good information here. Thanks for all the helpful responses. And to the others, I didn't mean to be a threat to your play style. I was just looking for direction and guidance. Thanks for clarifying. In that case, you could even find a corp of like-minded people! I'm a proud member of my pvp corp/alliance/militia and I enjoy pewing with my mates, but I spend lots of time solo (probably over 50% of my playtime), both solo pvp-ing and also manufacturing and trading on my alts. Works perfectly, no one ever complained because I was off doing my own thing. On the other hand, I'm happy to help and participate in important ops when I'm on. So yeah, I confirm you can do lots of stuff on your own and at the same time collaborate with people when you feel like it. Have fun, your own way. Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 548	Posted - 2015.05.15 23:28:11 - [32] - Quote Oraac Ensor wrote: GordonO wrote: I would offer some advice, but that would be against your principles of working with someone in an MMO, and I would hate to be the one to ruin your enjoyment of this game.. How, exactly? Well if he helped him then he would be working with him thus breaking the OP's rule. You have answered your own question. It seems self evident to me not sure how you are questioning that one. Oraac Ensor wrote: BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote: Uh, I guess you could do some exploration, run level 4's, do all seven epic arcs, buy a carrier, do level fives, move to w-space, solo a c6 site in a dread and then quit out of boredom? Just make sure you don't get ganked an never interact with the market. You might encounter pvp there. Are we sure this isn't a troll thread? This really seems like cutting out most of what eve has to offer. The only real options I can think of is getting into industry/trading which is a form of pvp, or just grinding the same missions over and over, which still will have pvp in the form of ganking and selling to the market. I suppose you did read the OP? That's exactly what he's enquiring about. And please stop the "all EVE is PvP" crap - you know EXACTLY what he means by "PvP". This is a common misconception in my opinion. Most people assume that everyone else knows what they know and think that their knowledge base and their perspective is shared by everyone. So when some asks legitimate questions or tries to clarify certain points they think they are being coy or manipulative when they are genuinely looking for a more clear understanding. I know your comment was not directed at me but I had similar comments. I can only speak for myself but my comments were definitely intended as a point of clarification.
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 548	Posted - 2015.05.15 23:35:58 - [33] - Quote Errende Ebecee wrote: I would say that, despite cries to the contrary, about 3/4 of content in EVE does not involve shooting other players, or even coming into open conflict with them. I mean, sure, if you come to a high-sec belt to kill some rats, but another player was there before you and already killed them, I guess you could call it "high sec belt ratting PvP"... if you really wanted to. But by that logic even World of Warcraft is a open world PvP game. WoW does not have a market economy of player created items like Eve does. Sure WoW has the AH and there are some player created items on it but you can play all of WoW very easily without ever using the auction house. You could do the same in Eve in theory but it would be double digit exponentially harder.
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 548	Posted - 2015.05.15 23:44:24 - [34] - Quote Oraac Ensor wrote: The problem is that people deliberately misconstrue what is meant by "PvP" when someone says they want to avoid it as much as possible. I refuse to believe that there is anyone on these forums who doesn't know that "PvP" in this context means DIRECT player versus player COMBAT. The OP is enquiring about going into industry as an independent enterprise. Do you seriously believe that he doesn't realise that he will have to compete with other industrialists in that endeavour, whether selling to the open market or by arrangement with a particular corp? If you do you are grossly insulting his intelligence. So here we go again. You are assuming that your perspective is the "right" one and that anyone that sees things differently is wrong and dumb or playing the Devil's advocate and trying to argue for the sake of argument.. In order to have an open and intelligent and emotionally sharing conversation sometimes we have to hammer out how each of us is defining certain things. Your definition of PvP here that you think is so absolute is only your definition. I have had these clarifying conversation over this exact definition on this forum several times. I personally define PvP as any activity in which you are attempting to gain an advantage or win or otherwise compete with other players. Under that definition two players could help each other out by "testing fits" and shooting at each other all day long and not be PvPing since neither was trying to win or beat the other. On the flip side of that you could be sitting in station in jita all day long playing the lower by 1 isk game and be PvPing all day.
Oraac Ensor 631	Posted - 2015.05.15 23:46:59 - [35] - Quote BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote: Oraac Ensor wrote: Lost Greybeard wrote: If you don't want to interact with other players . . . Oraac Ensor wrote: . . . he specifically mentions forming a relationship with a corp - how would he do that without interacting with other players? Actually he specifically mentions not joining a corp. Quote: I don't plan to join a corp Irrelevant - he clearly indicates that although he doesn't want to join a corp he is perfectly willing to enter into an arrangement with one and therefore is not averse to interacting with other players.
Oraac Ensor 631	Posted - 2015.05.16 00:10:27 - [36] - Quote ergherhdfgh wrote: Oraac Ensor wrote: GordonO wrote: I would offer some advice, but that would be against your principles of working with someone in an MMO, and I would hate to be the one to ruin your enjoyment of this game.. How, exactly? Well if he helped him then he would be working with him thus breaking the OP's rule. You have answered your own question. It seems self evident to me not sure how you are questioning that one. The OP is asking for advice and has indicated a willingness to work with other players. What "rule" would be broken by offering the advice he asks for?
Oraac Ensor 631	Posted - 2015.05.16 00:11:44 - [37] - Quote ergherhdfgh wrote: Oraac Ensor wrote: BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote: Uh, I guess you could do some exploration, run level 4's, do all seven epic arcs, buy a carrier, do level fives, move to w-space, solo a c6 site in a dread and then quit out of boredom? Just make sure you don't get ganked an never interact with the market. You might encounter pvp there. Are we sure this isn't a troll thread? This really seems like cutting out most of what eve has to offer. The only real options I can think of is getting into industry/trading which is a form of pvp, or just grinding the same missions over and over, which still will have pvp in the form of ganking and selling to the market. I suppose you did read the OP? That's exactly what he's enquiring about. And please stop the "all EVE is PvP" crap - you know EXACTLY what he means by "PvP". This is a common misconception in my opinion. Most people assume that everyone else knows what they know and think that their knowledge base and their perspective is shared by everyone. So when some asks legitimate questions or tries to clarify certain points they think they are being coy or manipulative when they are genuinely looking for a more clear understanding. That's a game to be played in GD, not NCQ&A.
Oraac Ensor 631	Posted - 2015.05.16 00:13:58 - [38] - Quote ergherhdfgh wrote: Oraac Ensor wrote: The problem is that people deliberately misconstrue what is meant by "PvP" when someone says they want to avoid it as much as possible. I refuse to believe that there is anyone on these forums who doesn't know that "PvP" in this context means DIRECT player versus player COMBAT. The OP is enquiring about going into industry as an independent enterprise. Do you seriously believe that he doesn't realise that he will have to compete with other industrialists in that endeavour, whether selling to the open market or by arrangement with a particular corp? If you do you are grossly insulting his intelligence. So here we go again. You are assuming that your perspective is the "right" one and that anyone that sees things differently is wrong and dumb or playing the Devil's advocate and trying to argue for the sake of argument.. In order to have an open and intelligent and emotionally sharing conversation sometimes we have to hammer out how each of us is defining certain things. Your definition of PvP here that you think is so absolute is only your definition. I have had these clarifying conversation over this exact definition on this forum several times. I personally define PvP as any activity in which you are attempting to gain an advantage or win or otherwise compete with other players. Under that definition two players could help each other out by "testing fits" and shooting at each other all day long and not be PvPing since neither was trying to win or beat the other. On the flip side of that you could be sitting in station in jita all day long playing the lower by 1 isk game and be PvPing all day. Thank you for yet another excellent illustration of the deliberate misinterpretation that I am referring to.
Lulu Lunette Lunette Pathfinders 8	Posted - 2015.05.16 01:19:11 - [39] - Quote OP, Welcome to Eve! As a relatively new player myself I decided after being in a player corp to simply make my own. Where I live I formed a few friendships with the locals and I share bookmarks and stuff to sites I can't run and they help me out with my little industrial things and offer tons of advice. Dunno why people knock solo. Best of luck @lunettelulu7
Eve Solecist Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD 3002	Posted - 2015.05.16 01:47:57 - [40] - Quote ergherhdfgh wrote: So here we go again. You are assuming that your perspective is the "right" one and that anyone that sees things differently is wrong and dumb or playing the Devil's advocate and trying to argue for the sake of argument.. In order to have an open and intelligent and emotionally sharing conversation sometimes we have to hammer out how each of us is defining certain things. Your definition of PvP here that you think is so absolute is only your definition. I have had these clarifying conversation over this exact definition on this forum several times. Ha ... I gave up a long time ago. The problem is that there's no end to the supply of these people. Ignorance is Strength. Abolish Rookiecorps ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away. Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything

Eve Solecist Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD 3002	Posted - 2015.05.16 01:58:56 - [41] - Quote Every time someone talks about his definition of anything ... ... he's plain dumb, sorry. A definition - by definition - is something you should not see as opinion. Because it isn't. You can't "opinionise" a definition. If everyone would do that, the world would end in chaos and confusion ! No one would really understand anyone else anymore, because people will continuously mean something else than they actually meant to say ! There is one definition. Player vs. Player. It includes literally every single possible interaction between two or more human beings ... ... who are actively or passively, directly or indirectly influencing each other's reality bubble. Let me blow your mind. When people go on raids and loot has to be shared ... ... it's a PvP situation, because someone could take all the loot. Someone could demand more loot, or a specific item. PvP is what makes the world real, simply because it's how the world - yours as well - works. Any other definition of PvP is simply wrong. Any personal, diverging definition is flat-out stupid. TL;DR: Ship combat is PvP ... ... but PvP isn't ship combat. This thread would have been over long ago ... ... if someone just went and ganked him. That's the fastest way to make them "get it" or they'll just leave sooner, rather than later. shrugs Abolish Rookiecorps ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away. Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
Avaelica Kuershin 75	Posted - 2015.05.16 02:05:11 - [42] - Quote Quiick Jones wrote: Looks like I need to define solo. It means being able to do what I want, when I want. It means not being tied to what others want to do. It does NOT mean I don't want to interact with other players. I like going about doing my own thing, and if I screw up it doesn't effect anybody else. There's some good information here. Thanks for all the helpful responses. And to the others, I didn't mean to be a threat to your play style. I was just looking for direction and guidance. For a start, others have mentioned exploration, industry etc... which is a lot of what I do. Secondly, CAS is the best NPC corp from what I have seen so you could stay there if you want. (I have an alt there) (BTW, CAS is having a group roam... you may find you like combat)
Oraac Ensor 631	Posted - 2015.05.16 02:24:54 - [43] - Quote Eve Solecist wrote: This thread would have been over long ago ... ... if ~~someone just went and ganked him.~~ some people weren't so insistent on deliberately misconstruing the OP. FTFY
Eve Solecist Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD 3005	Posted - 2015.05.16 07:40:10 - [44] - Quote Oraac Ensor wrote: Eve Solecist wrote: This thread would have been over long ago ... ... if ~~someone just went and ganked him.~~ some people weren't so insistent on deliberately misconstruing the OP. FTFY No one is doing that, though. You though jumped in and continuously try to tell people something that isn't what the OP was talking about. I have lived through enough threads already where people try to educate people about what PvP actually means and why this game is a PvP sandbox ... ... which is said directly from the developers themselves. You should be removed for trolling and eeliberately talking crap in the New Players area. You're just as bad as these horrible people in rookiechat who have no ground tk teach anyone anything. Reminds me that I need to petition them. Abolish Rookiecorps ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away. Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 549	Posted - 2015.05.16 12:09:16 - [45] - Quote Eve Solecist wrote: Every time someone talks about his definition of anything ... ... he's plain dumb, sorry. A definition - by definition - is something you should not see as opinion. Because it isn't. You can't "opinionise" a definition. If everyone would do that, the world would end in chaos and confusion ! No one would really understand anyone else anymore, because people will continuously mean something else than they actually meant to say ! There is one definition. Player vs. Player. It includes literally every single possible interaction between two or more human beings ... ... who are actively or passively, directly or indirectly influencing each other's reality bubble. Let me blow your mind. When people go on raids and loot has to be shared ... ... it's a PvP situation, because someone could take all the loot. Someone could demand more loot, or a specific item. PvP is what makes the world real, simply because it's how the world - yours as well - works. Any other definition of PvP is simply wrong. Any personal, diverging definition is flat-out stupid. TL;DR: Ship combat is PvP ... ... but PvP isn't ship combat. This thread would have been over long ago ... ... if someone just went and ganked him. That's the fastest way to make them "get it" or they'll just leave sooner, rather than later. shrugs so you say that there can be only one definition of anything and then you go on to give your definition of PvP. I hate to say it but this perspective in my opinion is naive. Any single word if you look it up has several different sites that will give it different sets of defintions. Sure most of them are similar but sometimes they are very different. Not to mention the fact that even from one source many words often have many definitions that sometimes can be very different which is why you will see defintion 1 and defintion 2 etc... Further definitions change over time. There is an entire profession called Etymology that exists around tracing back how specific words have changed and evolved over time. Dictionaries are constantly up dating definitions to more accurately reflect current usage. A dictionary is not some unquestionable all knowing source or authority. A dictionary is a book that makes an attempt to explain what are the more commonly used meanings of words. Just look at the fact that people often do things like say bad when the mean good or say sick when the mean cool. Example " Did you see that sick move Tony Hawk did at the X games? That dude is one bad ass skateboarder.". If words had objective meanings 80%+ of all court cases would not exist and we would not have different dictionaries for different things like Blacks law dictionary for example. Philosophers make entire careers about trying to define words like " I ". With reference to PvP, which is an abbreviation of a phrase not a word, most definitions of the word versus include competition. So to me PvP implies competition. Due to that I say that PvP is not an action or set of actions but the intent behind the doer of the actions. Further most definitions of competition state or seem to imply some type of mutuality in the definition. So to me that means that while an individual could love another without the other reciprocating one can not compete with another unless the other is also competing. To me your example of handing out raid loot could be done either competitively or cooperatively. I've seen it done both ways.
Gardav Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 27	Posted - 2015.05.16 12:22:33 - [46] - Quote Eve Solecist wrote: Oraac Ensor wrote: Eve Solecist wrote: This thread would have been over long ago ... ... if ~~someone just went and ganked him.~~ some people weren't so insistent on deliberately misconstruing the OP. FTFY No one is doing that, though. You though jumped in and continuously try to tell people something that isn't what the OP was talking about. I have lived through enough threads already where people try to educate people about what PvP actually means and why this game is a PvP sandbox ... ... which is said directly from the developers themselves. You should be removed for trolling and eeliberately talking crap in the New Players area. You're just as bad as these horrible people in rookiechat who have no ground tk teach anyone anything. Reminds me that I need to petition them. Since you speak as if you are a Staff member of CCP I will give you the respect that seems to be due to you according to your position. From my point of view I would be wise to consider you thus.... because for all I know you ARE a Staff member incognito... better to err on the side of caution. Please do me and others a favor.... Show me/Cite for me EXACTLY where in the EULA and TOS and Rules of the game EVE Online where it says every Player MUST engage in PvP content. If you can prove to me that it is a requirement of participation in this MMOG to PvP then we all will have an answer to the questions posed so many times on these forums. I would really like to know the answer to this question once and for all. Thanks.
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 549	Posted - 2015.05.16 12:33:15 - [47] - Quote Oraac Ensor wrote: Irrelevant - he clearly indicates that although he doesn't want to join a corp he is perfectly willing to enter into an arrangement with one and therefore is not averse to interacting with other players. You can have an aversion to something and still do it. The OP says solo multiple times. He seemed to be pretty clear stating his wanting to keep his interaction with others at an extreme minimum. To me that signifies an aversion to interacting with other players. It would be a different story if he had stated that he did not want to join a player corp but wanted to get involved with other players like for example NPSI roams or get involved in some of the incursion communities or other groups of people that interact outside the structure of the corporation. However if that is the case the OP did not state that in the original post. Oraac Ensor wrote: The OP is asking for advice and has indicated a willingness to work with other players. What "rule" would be broken by offering the advice he asks for? Again not sure where this clear indication to work with other players is coming from. Granted GordonO was being a little tongue in cheek but think he makes an excellent point in showing the OP that he is stating that he does not want to be involved with other players while asking for advice from other players on how to do that. Oraac Ensor wrote: That's a game to be played in GD, not NCQ&A. Not sure what you are trying to say here. Oraac Ensor wrote: Thank you for yet another excellent illustration of the deliberate misinterpretation that I am referring to. [Edit] And how would you know what my definition of PvP is when I haven't stated it anywhere in this forum? Within the quote that you are claiming you did not define PvP, you defined PvP as " "PvP" in this context means DIRECT player versus player COMBAT.". Not sure were you get off accusing me of deliberate misinterpretation. While we are discussing definitions you might want to look up arrogance and see how it might apply here.
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 549	Posted - 2015.05.16 12:56:41 - [48] - Quote Gardav wrote: Please do me and others a favor.... Show me/Cite for me EXACTLY where in the EULA and TOS and Rules of the game EVE Online where it says every Player MUST engage in PvP content. If you can prove to me that it is a requirement of participation in this MMOG to PvP then we all will have an answer to the questions posed so many times on these forums. I would really like to know the answer to this question once and for all. Thanks. so...what you say here is commonly refereed to as a Strawman argument. Eve Solecist wrote: and why this game is a PvP sandbox ... ... which is said directly from the developers themselves. The Devs have clearly stated that the intent and focus of this game is a PvP sandbox. No one claimed it to be part of the EULA or TOS only that it is the focus and the intent of the game design. That does not mean that you can not play the game in a linear fashion or as a strict PvEer. However if you were to do so and then complain how you don't like the game or that it should be changed to suit your play style you would be literally ignorant. As a PvE focused player myself, when new players come here in the NC Q&A section of the forums stating that they have a similar interest I like to inform them that their play style is contrary to the intended game design. Not that they can't play the game that way, only that they are swimming up stream so that they know what they are in for.
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 549	Posted - 2015.05.16 13:02:05 - [49] - Quote Quiick Jones wrote: Looks like I need to define solo. It means being able to do what I want, when I want. It means not being tied to what others want to do. It does NOT mean I don't want to interact with other players. I like going about doing my own thing, and if I screw up it doesn't effect anybody else. There's some good information here. Thanks for all the helpful responses. And to the others, I didn't mean to be a threat to your play style. I was just looking for direction and guidance. I'm not saying that you need to join a corp but I will say that I think you have a somewhat unrealistic concept of what one is. I had this perspective when I first came to this game from WoW. In Eve corps are much more open and understanding than guilds in WoW. There are plenty of corps out there that fit exactly what you are talking about here. Sure you can find some strict hardcore ones if you really look hard enough but I think the vast majority of corps out there are more laid back and really just a group of people sitting in corp chat together. TL;dr I think you can easily find a corp that suits your playstyle without requiring much or even anything from you.
Eve Solecist Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD 3015	Posted - 2015.05.16 13:24:46 - [50] - Quote ergherhdfgh wrote: so you say that there can be only one definition of anything and then you go on to give your definition of PvP. I hate to say it but this perspective in my opinion is naive. Are you really that dumb ? No where did I state my definition of PvP. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Player_versus_player Read this. It's what I said, in different words. I hope I am wrong and you aren't that dumb. If you read the above I've written, you'll see that I am exactly talking about player interaction, making sure every possible perspective is covered. That's not my definition. Take your ego and put it back into it's bag. Seriously, you people are completely hopeless and deserve everything that's coming for you. Think through what is written ... ... after you read it, and ... ... before you start typing ! Abolish Rookiecorps ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away. Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything

Eve Solecist Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD 3015	Posted - 2015.05.16 13:28:37 - [51] - Quote Nowhere does the EULA have anything to do with it ... ... and this thread ... ... is full of provably dumb people. That's not even an insult. Everyone can read it up himself. Congratulations. shakes head Abolish Rookiecorps ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away. Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
Gardav Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 27	Posted - 2015.05.16 14:31:09 - [52] - Quote ergherhdfgh wrote: Gardav wrote: Please do me and others a favor.... Show me/Cite for me EXACTLY where in the EULA and TOS and Rules of the game EVE Online where it says every Player MUST engage in PvP content. If you can prove to me that it is a requirement of participation in this MMOG to PvP then we all will have an answer to the questions posed so many times on these forums. I would really like to know the answer to this question once and for all. Thanks. so...what you say here is commonly refereed to as a Strawman argument. I am not attempting to "one up" any other poster here, I am not attempting to make anyone else's statement's look false or incorrect. I am not here to "win an argument" or "win the thread". To me this is simple question.... either the game rules and the Devs require us to PvP or they don't. I desire an answer that cuts through all the opinions. I am not asking this question to anyone else's benefit other than my own.... do I have to PvP according to the rules or not? Is it written in the rules that we must PvP? If you don't know the answer that's OK with me, for I don't have the answer either and that is why I asked the question here in this forum section. I ask this question not to be a troublemaker, simply to get an informed and correct answer. ergherhdfgh wrote: Eve Solecist wrote: and why this game is a PvP sandbox ... ... which is said directly from the developers themselves. The Devs have clearly stated that the intent and focus of this game is a PvP sandbox. No one claimed it to be part of the EULA or TOS only that it is the focus and the intent of the game design. That does not mean that you can not play the game in a linear fashion or as a strict PvEer. However if you were to do so and then complain how you don't like the game or that it should be changed to suit your play style you would be literally ignorant. As a PvE focused player myself, when new players come here in the NC Q&A section of the forums stating that they have a similar interest I like to inform them that their play style is contrary to the intended game design. Not that they can't play the game that way, only that they are swimming up stream so that they know what they are in for. The intent and focus of a MMO doesn't make it the *mandatory* gameplay for Players. It makes it the intended gameplay, nothing more. I respect CCP and their Intent for the game, but their Intent does not require obedience like a Rule(s) from CCP would (or what I agree to in say the EULA or TOS). Their Intent is acceptable to me yes, but if I wish to play EVE in a manner not in strict accordance with their Intent, and yet within the Rules as defined by CCP, then as I understand it I am free to play as I wish to... even if it is mostly in opposition to CCP's Intent.... as long as it is allowed in the Rules. If hypothetically speaking CCP next week introduced a new requirement that each Player must engage in PvP and show that participation in 5 or 10 killmails during a specified period of time, then that I would see that as a requirement for Players to PvP, for under that hypothetical circumstance CCP could penalize Players who did not rack up the killmails as required.... this is only hypothetical of course, yet I do not see any ingame mechanism that requires, or forces Players to participate in PvP. If CCP wants to require their Intent to be observed by all Players than they have the means to make that happen through the game Rules and Game mechanics, otherwise I thank CCP for sharing with me their Intent and I will continue to play this game as I decide to do so. I asked the question I did in my first post in this thread not to be belligerent, but to honestly seek the correct answer. So I know whether or not the Rules can be read and enforced by CCP that I must PvP. If no rules exist than I will continue to play EvE as I have been without PvP.
Eve Solecist Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD 3017	Posted - 2015.05.16 15:52:55 - [53] - Quote Gardav wrote: If the Rules state I must PvP, well then it's me that needs to change and I accept that. That's why I want a clear answer. It's a stupid question to ask. 1. because you do not know what "PvP" means. See my post above and the link to the definition on wiki, which is sufficient. So to answer the question accurately: You must PvP, because you can not avoid it. You do not have to combat others with ships ... ... but you do not have the option to opt out of it ... ... if others want to do so, in what way ever. If someone wants to kill you, he can and will kill you. This fully and accurately answers your question. And stop abusing "PvP" ... ... because we want smart, knowledgable people around here ... ... and because else I will make sure people will force it onto you until you get it right. Clear ? See ? That's how easy it is. Welcome to EVE, now go die to smartbombs or something. Abolish Rookiecorps ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away. Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out 8020	Posted - 2015.05.16 15:53:26 - [54] - Quote [quote=Gardav] either the game rules and the Devs require us to PvP or they don't. I desire an answer that cuts through all the opinions. I am not asking this question to anyone else's benefit other than my own.... do I have to PvP according to the rules or not? Is it written in the rules that we must PvP? Yes and no. In a general sense... you will ALWAYS be in competition and potential conflict with other players. If you harvest resources before someone else can harvest them, you deny other players that potential wealth. If you explore and find salvage/relics/modules before someone else can, you deny other players that potential wealth. If you destroy lots more NPCs than others, you make more ISK from those bounties, which in turn devalues the ISK of everyone else. If you build more then anyone else, you are crowding out others on market and stepping on their potential income. And anyone in the game can use any of the above as a pretext for blowing you up in a direct ship engagements (fair or not). Or sometimes they don't even need the pretext at all and will do it for giggles. And all of the above does not require consent to be done. However... you are not mechanically obligated to engage back in a direct ship-to-ship confrontation. There is always a way around everything else in the game if you do enough research and understand the mechanics well enough. And you can engage in "PvP" without every having to fire a shot at another player. What EVE is, is a multi-faceted PvP game. Ship-on-ship violence is often the easiest to see form of PvP... but it isn't the only way to be in conflict with others. Conflict with others. That is the key phrase. How did you Veterans start? The Skillpoint System and You
Gardav Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 27	Posted - 2015.05.16 17:08:02 - [55] - Quote Eve Solecist wrote: Gardav wrote: If the Rules state I must PvP, well then it's me that needs to change and I accept that. That's why I want a clear answer. It's a stupid question to ask. 1. because you do not know what "PvP" means. See my post above and the link to the definition on wiki, which is sufficient. So to answer the question accurately: You must PvP, because you can not avoid it. You do not have to combat others with ships ... ... but you do not have the option to opt out of it ... ... if others want to do so, in what way ever. If someone wants to kill you, he can and will kill you. This fully and accurately answers your question. And stop abusing "PvP" ... ... because we want smart, knowledgable people around here ... ... and because else I will make sure people will force it onto you until you get it right. Clear ? See ? That's how easy it is. Welcome to EVE, now go die to smartbombs or something. I know exactly what PvP is. You can try but you can not force me to accept any idea or point of view I decide not to agree with. You are welcome to try as I won't deny you your free will. Thank you for your response.
Gardav Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 27	Posted - 2015.05.16 17:20:42 - [56] - Quote ShahFluffers wrote: Yes and no. In a general sense... you will ALWAYS be in competition and potential conflict with other players. If you harvest resources before someone else can harvest them, you deny other players that potential wealth. If you explore and find salvage/relics/modules before someone else can, you deny other players that potential wealth. If you destroy lots more NPCs than others, you make more ISK from those bounties, which in turn devalues the ISK of everyone else. If you build more then anyone else, you are crowding out others on market and stepping on their potential income. And anyone in the game can use any of the above as a pretext for blowing you up in a direct ship engagements (fair or not). Or sometimes they don't even need the pretext at all and will do it for giggles. And all of the above does not require consent to be done. However... you are not mechanically obligated to engage back in a direct ship-to-ship confrontation. There is always a way around everything else in the game if you do enough research and understand the mechanics well enough. And you can engage in "PvP" without ever having to fire a shot at another player. What EVE is, is a multi-faceted PvP game. Ship-on-ship violence is often the easiest to see form of PvP... but it isn't the only way to be in conflict with others. Conflict with others. That is the key phrase. edit: as for where this is all written... take a look at the Official Newbie FAQ: http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/communityassets/pdf/EVE-Online-New-Pilot-FAQ.pdf CCP wrote: In EVE Online, any player may attack any other player if they choose to, no matter where they happen to be. This is because EVE Online is essentially a PvP (Player versus Player) game at its core. -Part 1, Section 5-3 CCP wrote: once you enter New Eden you must consider every action you take as a form of PvP since this is the core game concept. -Part 2, Intro CCP wrote: The essential core concept of EVE Online is that it is full time PvP in a sandbox environment. As has been mentioned in previous sections any player can engage another player at any time in any place. - Part 2, Section 7-Intro And if you read the DEV blogs, forums posts, and tweets for long enough... the Developers' intent are pretty clear; to bring everything into a reasonable balance between "tears and laughter" (their words, not mine). As I said previous Intent to me is not binding, but a part you quoted I think is an answer I would consider VALID and not just opinion or intent. There is one point you raise that I think answers my question, and it is this: -Part 1, Section 5-3 CCP wrote: once you enter New Eden you must consider every action you take as a form of PvP since this is the core game concept. Assuming this document that is referenced was written by CCP (and to me it appears to have been or at least approved by CCP), then in fact every Player must PvP by the definition of the Rules. CCP has defined "PvP" in a way that includes far more actions and activies than most MMO Players would ever consider under a definition of PvP. I will say I do not entirely view all actions in EvE as PvP oriented but CCP apparently does, and it is their game and they are of course allowed to define PvP as they choose to. I will openly say I do not agree with what PvP is as CCP has defined it. I have my answer and it's official from CCP. Thanks for finding the answer. I would have never thought to look in a FAQ. I appreciate your time ShahFluffers.
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 550	Posted - 2015.05.16 21:29:58 - [57] - Quote Eve Solecist wrote: ergherhdfgh wrote: so you say that there can be only one definition of anything and then you go on to give your definition of PvP. I hate to say it but this perspective in my opinion is naive. Are you really that dumb ? No where did I state my definition of PvP. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Player_versus_player Read this. It's what I said, in different words. I hope I am wrong and you aren't that dumb. If you read the above I've written, you'll see that I am exactly talking about player interaction, making sure every possible perspective is covered. That's not my definition. Take your ego and put it back into it's bag. Seriously, you people are completely hopeless and deserve everything that's coming for you. Think through what is written ... ... after you read it, and ... ... before you start typing ! you did state your definition of PvP Eve Solecist wrote: There is one definition. Player vs. Player. It includes literally every single possible interaction between two or more human beings ... ... who are actively or passively, directly or indirectly influencing each other's reality bubble. Further what you stated as your definition and the definition of the link that you posted are not even close to the same. You define it as "literally every single possible interaction between two or more human beings ... ... who are actively or passively, directly or indirectly influencing each other's reality bubble" wikipedia limits it to conflict or competitive interactions within the realm of various types of computer based games. I am not saying your definition is wrong I am only pointing out that it is your definition. In order to engage in intellegent conversations that have the ability to lead to mutual understanding and a healthy exchange of ideas it is often helpful for both parties to define what they mean by various key topics or words within the discussion. You keep insisting that your definition is inherently true and right and refuse to admit that it is just your definition. You then go on to quote a crowd sourced source to prove your point and your source contradicts you. Again I'm not trying to say that due to a difference between your definition and wikipedia's definition that your or wikipedia or even my definition are right or wrong. I am only defining how I use the phrase so that my viewpoint can be taken with a bit of context. As long as you keep insisting that you are right and everyone else is wrong there can be no further discussion with you on the topic. That is a conversation ender. Just as a side note I want to point out how I find it interesting that you use the phrase "reality bubble" in your definition. It almost seems to indicate some kind of acknowledgement that we all have our own unique viewpoint that to me would include differing perceptions of the same experience including different definitions of the same words.
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 550	Posted - 2015.05.16 21:49:11 - [58] - Quote Gardav wrote: ergherhdfgh wrote: Gardav wrote: Please do me and others a favor.... Show me/Cite for me EXACTLY where in the EULA and TOS and Rules of the game EVE Online where it says every Player MUST engage in PvP content. If you can prove to me that it is a requirement of participation in this MMOG to PvP then we all will have an answer to the questions posed so many times on these forums. I would really like to know the answer to this question once and for all. Thanks. so...what you say here is commonly refereed to as a Strawman argument. I am not attempting to "one up" any other poster here, I am not attempting to make anyone else's statement's look false or incorrect. I am not here to "win an argument" or "win the thread". To me this is simple question.... either the game rules and the Devs require us to PvP or they don't. I desire an answer that cuts through all the opinions. I am not asking this question to anyone else's benefit other than my own.... do I have to PvP according to the rules or not? Is it written in the rules that we must PvP? If you don't know the answer that's OK with me, for I don't have the answer either and that is why I asked the question here in this forum section. I ask this question not to be a troublemaker, simply to get an informed and correct answer. I'll restate my point more clearly. A strawman argument is when you make it seem someone said something that they did not say usually using similar words so that it is easy to ignore that fact that the other person never said what you are implying they said. This is typically done to win an argument because you first make an easy to disprove statement and then claim your opponent said it and then go on to point out how ridiculous it is. So now I ask you where in this thread did anyone claim that you "must" PvP and that it is in either the EULA or the ToS that PvP is required? I am fairly certain that was never said because it would be pretty stupid to say and easy to disprove. Therefore it is a straw man argument. What I know has been said is multiple people claimed that this is a PvP game and that the Devs have stated multiple times in various blogs and interviews that is their focus. I think those comments would be widely accepted as being true by most people that follow the devs at all. I can go to a golf course and pull out my chess board and play chess with my buddy. Nothing is stopping me from doing this. I've even seen people play poker in the lockerooms of golf courses. However regardless of what game you are playing that does not change the fact that you are at a golf course. You can PvE in Eve there is no doubt about that. You can largely avoid PvP in Eve there is also probably little doubt about that. However none of those facts changes the fact that this is a game who's intended focus by the people who are developing it is a open world PvP sandbox. Worth noting that people used to say things like if you don't want to PvP then don't undock. With the new changes coming to outposts and player structures even that is no longer true. People who are currently docked in null sec outposts and have not played the game in a while and thought that their stuff was safe in station no matter what when they stopped playing, in about a year from now could log in to find the station that they logged off in blown up. So true to the dev's stated goals the game becomes more PvP focused.
GordonO Evil Guinea Pigs 117	Posted - 2015.05.17 19:47:12 - [59] - Quote Oraac Ensor wrote: GordonO wrote: I would offer some advice, but that would be against your principles of working with someone in an MMO, and I would hate to be the one to ruin your enjoyment of this game.. How, exactly? Quiick Jones wrote: I've been playing this game for 5 months now and I'm looking down the road for a goal. I'm not into PVP and I'm a solo player. Thanks, solo by definition means to do it yourself.. alone.. with no help.. asking for help on the forums already makes you a non solo player.. Join a decent corp, get help enjoy the game and don't get trolled.. as an example, unless you solo with 7 alts you will never do well mining, etc, etc sandbox.. do what you want.. but solo is solo.. and you no longer a solo player ... What next ??
Lost Greybeard Drunken Yordles 622	Posted - 2015.05.18 00:26:14 - [60] - Quote Gardav wrote: The intent and focus of a MMO doesn't make it the *mandatory* gameplay for Players. Yeah, but in a multiplayer game intentionally playing against the intended design can make you annoying. The guy who decides to follow the beat of his own drum and achieve his own goal of running really fast in a circle in his base in a MOBA, for instance, is going to annoy people and eventually get banned. In this case, of course, flying solo is fine and the sandbox will even try to accommodate you to an extent, so long as you're aware that you're in a PvP game and there are entirely legitimate reasons for people to blow you up at any given moment. And, in the larger sense, aware that you ARE interacting with other players through the market at minimum. Or in the case of, say, exploration, interacting with other players by actively dodging them and racing them for objectives, etc. But, as I pointed out before, if you don't like interacting with people at all, it's a bit silly to play an MMO when there is an entire GENRE of single-player games out there delivering exactly the experience you claim to want. It's not a question of you being bad for this game, it's a question of the game being bad for YOU. Like I said, play Skyrim if you want to play Skyrim, don't expect everyone around you to help you turn a multiplayer game into Skyrim. That doesn't work, and TES Online proves it.

Null Infinity Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 35	Posted - 2015.05.18 07:58:36 - [61] - Quote I somehow lost the track of what was OP question and what is PvP... New mining menthods: interactive mining and comet mining
Jack Jomar The Scope Gallente Federation 17	Posted - 2015.05.18 08:33:48 - [62] - Quote OP is looking for options for solo content including POS operation that do not involve engaging in direct ship-to-ship combat with other players as he has stated a preference for industrial-type work and/or possibly shooting AI. The rest of this is people arguing about the definition of PvP, whether dictionary, or as applied by CCP. I've provided a list as best I can at the top of page 2, and I'll stand by the majority of it, although if anyone wants to take what I wrote and elaborate further, they are plenty welcome to do so, this being the new citizens Q&A after all.
ginny Aulx-Gao Fusion Enterprises Ltd Shadow of xXDEATHXx 0	Posted - 2015.05.18 11:49:20 - [63] - Quote Eve is based around PVP and although PVE is tolerated, it doesn't seem to be encouraged by the developers. CCP seem hell bent on forcing PVP on players, regardless of whether they want it or not, so the only 'safe' option is never to undock at all. If you want to play a game where you're guaranteed not to be attacked by other players, then you're probably better off looking elsewhere because the 'vision' of the devs definitely seems geared towards channeling players towards PVP... willingly or not.
Mo Skor Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2015.05.18 12:59:32 - [64] - Quote I didn't read all the posts......but like OP, I tend to do solo stuff, mainly so I can stop and take care of real life business quickly. Even solo carebear stuff is sort of PvP - you're avoiding getting ganked, interacting with the market, chat some with people in your corp, chatting in help window, etc. Not true PvP, but still, Eve is a dynamic place because of all these pilots, even as a solo player. So my suggestion is get an alt. One toon is full-on exploration/covert ops (who also uses found blueprints to build stuff). My buzzard is perfect for this. The other toon is training combat, which is a never ending process as a newbie. : )
Eve Solecist Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD 3049	Posted - 2015.05.18 13:04:39 - [65] - Quote Null Infinity wrote: I somehow lost the track of what was OP question and what is PvP... That's every single action from one player to another. Directly, indirectly, actively or passively. You can look it up easily. And every time someone abuses PvP for ship combat ... ... they should be harassed until they get it. Abolish Rookiecorps ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away. Him after realising rigs don't need any skills: Chris Lazeare > That changes everything
Minmatar Citizen 534612187 Citizen Corp. 40	Posted - 2015.05.18 15:59:39 - [66] - Quote I'm fairly new to this game... ... but here's my impression of why the definition of PvP is even a discussion, anyway: Players who engaged in a lot of ship combat (as it's known in most other games: PvP) started getting elitist. Other players called them out on it. In a (ongoing) attempt to save face, the response was "What!? Everyone PvPs! Thus no one can be elitist since we all do it!"
StupidMonkeyBeSpankinIt Walking On Marshmallows 3	Posted - 2015.05.18 20:29:00 - [67] - Quote Quiick Jones wrote: I've been playing this game for 5 months now and I'm looking down the road for a goal. I'm not into PVP and I'm a solo player. I've been playing MMO's for about 14 years and I've never joined a guild and I don't plan to join a corp. I don't mind duking it out with NPCs but not really with other players. So why the hell am I playing this game? Because all the other MMO's seem like they are being marketed to kids. They level too fast, combat is too easy and they got childish(some), and boring. Eve is difficult and I like that. I'm more of a builder then a fighter, so I was wondering if it's possible for a solo player to work towards having a POS or something like that. I don't really understand that part of the game yet. Taking time to figure it out is good too, but if it isn't really feasible then maybe I should move on. Does anyone ever make things or provide some kind of service for a corp without actually joining, (so they leave me alone and don't blow my sh.. stuff up)? What can a solo pacifist do? Thanks, set yourself up a corporation... a few alts, and get yourself a space in null sec, npc sov... and explore, manufacture, and mine as you wish... use capital ships to get around undetected, and train up for the cov ops battleships... :) let me know in game if you have any specific needs, I can help I am sure as I solo a lot and have that mentality myself, I love playign with my friends and corp mates mind you, but I have a solo side of eve that will never fade, and its simply cause of space, and spaceships, and science and exploration...
Benthos Thellere Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 4	Posted - 2015.05.19 08:36:17 - [68] - Quote Quiick Jones wrote: I've been playing this game for 5 months now and I'm looking down the road for a goal. I'm not into PVP and I'm a solo player. I've been playing MMO's for about 14 years and I've never joined a guild and I don't plan to join a corp. I don't mind duking it out with NPCs but not really with other players. So why the hell am I playing this game? Because all the other MMO's seem like they are being marketed to kids. They level too fast, combat is too easy and they got childish(some), and boring. Eve is difficult and I like that. I'm more of a builder then a fighter, so I was wondering if it's possible for a solo player to work towards having a POS or something like that. I don't really understand that part of the game yet. Taking time to figure it out is good too, but if it isn't really feasible then maybe I should move on. Does anyone ever make things or provide some kind of service for a corp without actually joining, (so they leave me alone and don't blow my sh.. stuff up)? What can a solo pacifist do? Thanks, Hi there, I can't help with an answer on POS mechanics, as I don't fully understand that either. I am having a lot of fun in my current corp, which focusses on exploration. Yes, I know you specifically said you didn't want to join a corp, but hear me out Signal Cartel is full of player interaction without the pew-pew. The credo specifically prohibits that, although NPCs are fair game. In addition, there are a few in the corp who are there specifically to provide services to support other explorers e.g. scouting, hauling, loot buy-back programs and so on. There are a number of group activities taking place all the time that might be your thing. We have even been known to go out and hug our war-deccers with fireworks as a way of spreading the love and practicing fleet stuff! If this sounds like it might be of interest to you, check out the link in my sig below. If not - happy hunting and do what you feel in EVE - there is no right answer! Cheers! Benthos Thellere. Can't stop the Signal.
Richard Sorge Azure Zealots 0	Posted - 2015.05.21 18:10:43 - [69] - Quote Quiick, How have things gone for you? have things opened up for you in Eve? Richard
Benthos Thellere Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 4	Posted - 2015.05.22 08:09:49 - [70] - Quote Richard Sorge wrote: Quiick, How have things gone for you? have things opened up for you in Eve? Richard I suspect the OP got half-way through the responses to his question and figured he could make better use of his time... Cheers! Benthos Thellere. Can't stop the Signal.

Yowser Sokarad Republic University Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2015.05.22 13:28:40 - [71] - Quote Benthos Thellere wrote: Richard Sorge wrote: Quiick, How have things gone for you? have things opened up for you in Eve? Richard I suspect the OP got half-way through the responses to his question and figured he could make better use of his time... I like reading through and getting an idea of what I want to do but I take everything with a grain of salt. Haven't had much time to log lately but do look forward to experiencing the game. The part I don't get and am intrigued about is this being an open sandbox MMO game but it seems a lot "forumers" want to "pigeon hole" the game into only pvp.
Benthos Thellere Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 6	Posted - 2015.05.23 14:21:33 - [72] - Quote Yowser Sokarad wrote: I like reading through and getting an idea of what I want to do but I take everything with a grain of salt. Haven't had much time to log lately but do look forward to experiencing the game. The part I don't get and am intrigued about is this being an open sandbox MMO game but it seems a lot "forumers" want to "pigeon hole" the game into only pvp. Welcome to EVE, Yowser. TL;DR - the EVE sandbox allows everyone to play the way they want. There are many implications in that statement. Don't get me wrong, there are many generous players who contribute an enormous amount of their knowledge and time to the forums here and New Citizens Q&A is a great place to ask questions - I've personally had a lot of benefit from their contributions here. You should check out some of the replies people give in General Discussion for comparison! In my time reading the forums I'd say there are two 'hot topics' that crop up time and again, with passionately made arguments from all sides. IMHO, both of those those topics are essentially the same thing and are a result of the fact that EVE is unlike any other game. 1: I like to do (insert your chosen activity here) and some evil swine has just stopped me doing it/blown me up/stolen my stuff - I'm upset and they should be banned/the game should be changed! 2: I don't want to do PVP or join a corp. Other people and/or the game mechanics appear to make this impossible for me - what should I do? Bear in mind that there are very few rules to be broken in EVE, so posts of these types seem to almost always get off topic pretty quickly. I've come to the realisation that, at it's essence, all play in EVE is PVP, or more broadly, player interaction. I prefer to say that, if anything is obligatory in EVE, it's player interaction. I don't think it's possible to play the game without this on some level. Regardless, accepting the fact that other players will play the game their way means you must understand and accept the hazards involved in playing the game your way and adjust accordingly. This will save a lot of frustration and wasted bandwidth in the forums Granted, it's not always possible to understand all possible hazards until they actually materialise, but again, we all have the choice to take something positive from that, or rant/ragequit. It does not help that a small minority of players appear to enjoy when the latter happens, but again, dealing with asshattery is just another of the challenges in EVE Ship-to-ship combat, wardeccing, griefing of all flavours, scamming, awoxing, and probably a thousand other ways of separating you from your (EVE-based) assets is the beauty of the sandbox. Player interaction is what allows us all not just to survive that stuff, but to actually thrive in the game. Make friends, learn from them and find your own path in EVE. Fly safe! Cheers! Benthos Thellere. Can't stop the Signal.
Clara Tharon Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 29	Posted - 2015.05.23 23:24:35 - [73] - Quote I don' t get why so many people join mmo's to play with themselves, thats what p0rn is for.
Benthos Thellere Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 9	Posted - 2015.05.26 15:45:55 - [74] - Quote Clara Tharon wrote: I don' t get why so many people join mmo's to play with themselves, thats what p0rn is for. I agree that EVE is a pretty weird place to be if you want to play by yourself, but would suggest that your your use of p0rn could be more creative - it doesn't need to be a solo activity Cheers! Benthos Thellere. Can't stop the Signal.
Frank Padecain VR Securities 4	Posted - 2015.05.26 16:40:55 - [75] - Quote Rather than critiquing your desires of playstyle, I'll answer your question, OP. Yes, you can own a POS in lowsec or highsec and make a GREAT profit off of it running reactions, no doubt about that. For non-indy PvE, lowsec and nullsec exploration is the bomb. Tons of fun, good amount of risk, great ISK potential too. Talking about combat sites and relic/data sites. Wormholes are great too. Usually quieter than nullsec as well, but it varies from day to day, but I wouldn't recommend living in one just by yourself, you'll get evicted at some point. You'll have to set up your own corp, but you don't have to invite anyone else. I'd also recommend at least trying some PvP combat, even if you don't end up enjoying it. It'll accustom you to losing iskies en masse so future losses (like when you inevitably get your tower knocked over) aren't as painful. You'll know how PvPers think, so you'll know the best way to escape a situation when you're the target. Hope it helps.
StupidMonkeyBeSpankinIt Walking On Marshmallows 5	Posted - 2015.05.26 18:04:02 - [76] - Quote Clara Tharon wrote: I don' t get why so many people join mmo's to play with themselves, thats what p0rn is for. Lol... this made my morning... thank you sir! or Ma'am... either way, lolz, I almost cried, seriously. To the Op, I guess given the circumstances in my life, I don't mind sharing some experiences of mine. I don't claim them to be of any significance or substance but I maybe you will gain someone else's perspective about solo eve. Im still learning too of course. I am by no means any sort of anything so take everything with a grain of salt. please. I love eve, I started in 2009 and have the same individualistic approach to my pve time in eve. I dont know why, i guess I feel like i get hte most satisfaction from eve in such a manner. Of course the little pvp that I have done has been epic and I love it. but we are talking about pos's and mining, and exploring, learning how to pilot your ships, learning the mechanics of eve, mastering if you will everything that you come across. So might as well be secure doing so your first time around. as secure as you can be, of course. I use a pos... a small and a large. I usually have only one operating at a time. :) the small is for a temporary stay in a system that has the resources I need to make stuff. lets call this deployment to that system what ever we wish, and change it up every new system or region you move on to to explore. I like operation names, for example a famous known name is "project blue book" but you will have to ask our government about that one. picking a pos isnt that difficult, its likely to get destroyed one day, so invest cheap i say, I went with a minmatar small pos. I didnt even care waht had more powergrid or cpu... i wasnt using enough to max it out. I like to jump a capital in system, and put up a pos. once its up and fuel is in, ill bring the rest of my fleet (alts) in with only what is needed to do the job. I bring nothing crazy, just hte bare minimum. I can pack up and leave really quick, even if there is a swarm of hostiles on the outside of the pos, as long as I check in everyday when I am out on deployment. daa... right? get the resources in system while in system get the frack out of town after and collect the invested materials go back out for more... basically a pos is very useful if you need a place to store a few ships, and have the protection, (even though so temperary) of the pos shield, etc... I am just packing up from a deployment myself, and I am wondering if I could share what it is Im doing, without further jeopardizing myself by encouraging pirates to come track me down and hunt me out. Basically though, I think they would get bored eventually as I do not play that often, or consistantly, and Im always safe.... with 0 local... when out in deployment. Ill never drop into a system with recent activity and jumps. period. and I dont stay out for more than a day or so at a time. I find it most necessary to keep my assets mobile and/or in a station. I have a captains log that I keep as well, with practiced procedures for emergency action. Think thinkgs through, what could happen.... and how can i prevent or discourage consequences... come up with contingencies and procedures, practice them with your alts while multi boxing. I run a six account setup. it is a lot to manage, and afford. but its worth it to me, its eve, its space, and its my obsession, I care not the thoughts of others and mostly interact with myself in eve. I have a few more gaols though in eve that involve pvp and I have my eyes set on a corp that I would love to join and grow with. I really miss wormholes... I cant say this enough. when I was in Bite Me Inc, we had everything at our fingertips. The most exhilarating experience in eve for me... I remember taking my first corp into wh space with an alt, and it changed everything and it was great! All I can say is you gotta do what you love. I love to mine, harvest, manufacture, trade, and learn to fc... fight... basically as I progress, I make more isk/hr, and I can relax and play more and more pvp. I just feel like I should earn it...
Leliana Cami Cotte Daylight's Burning 6	Posted - 2015.05.29 13:36:54 - [77] - Quote Clara Tharon wrote: I don' t get why so many people join mmo's to play with themselves, thats what p0rn is for. Some of us like sitting in chat helping others by answering their questions. Some of us like getting together in temporary group to do a quick activity. Lookie, I found where to edit my Signature!
Aladar Dangerface 13. Enigma Project 171	Posted - 2015.05.29 14:40:07 - [78] - Quote To the OP; im sure some might have said this already, but i got tired of reading this thread because of others hijacking it, i would recommend putting up the a post in the corp recruitment thread https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=265 Just specify exactly what you are looking for in a corp, the amount of corps out there i am pretty sure you will find a group that would suit you really well. A lot of people will say eve is a pvp game, and they are right but equally its a social game. If you dont want to engage in the pvp side of things then thats your choice (you should at least once, its great fun) but do engage in the social aspects of the game. Believe it or not, the eve community is one of the best out there. I don't need twitter. I'm already following you.
Petre en Thielles Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 130	Posted - 2015.06.05 18:15:18 - [79] - Quote Some really fun solo gameplay is setting up a small POS in a C1/C2 wormhole and doing gas mining/ratting there. It's definitely extremely challenging for a new player, but it does put a significant challenge into PvE for someone new. You will have to run/hide to avoid the inevitable PvP, but that's the same with anyone focusing PvE anyway.


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