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murder one
Gallente
CRICE Corporation
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.12 03:21:00 -
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Engage in a 1v1 with a Megathron with 1 racial jammer. Vindicator has 24 sensor strength. Then proceed to be jammed 4 times *in a row*. Statistical chance of actually being jammed 4 times in a row given the sensor strengh and known jammer strength: 1.9%.
I lost a Vindicator because I had enough bad luck that I was jammed four times consecutively. No other reason. TBH I could give a f#ck about the ISK etc. It's just the principle of the matter. And the sad part is, it won't be any different in Kali.
Because I said so...
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Haffrage
Revelations Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.12 03:24:00 -
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You haven't read this, have you?
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Admiral Pieg
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.12 03:34:00 -
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gawd you whine alot dont you..
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murder one
Gallente
CRICE Corporation
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.12 03:34:00 -
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 Originally by: Haffrage
You haven't read this, have you?
Yes I have. Even more importantly, I've been on test for the better part of a week and a half testing it myself. What the changes really amount to: nothing. ECM will be as good as it is now in Kali for all intents and purposes. It's not going to change much.
Because I said so...
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Andrea Jaruwalski
Caldari
Angel Deep Corporation
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Posted - 2006.11.12 03:38:00 -
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All of EVE needed to know that. Seems Vindicator losses need alot of stories on this forum now, maybe farjung needs to give his fanboys a bit of training other than cleaning his pants of the drools when they watch his movies.
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murder one
Gallente
CRICE Corporation
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.12 03:46:00 -
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Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski
All of EVE needed to know that. Seems Vindicator losses need alot of stories on this forum now, maybe farjung needs to give his fanboys a bit of training other than cleaning his pants of the drools when they watch his movies.
I'm no fanboi. I'm just irked that a ship like a Vindicator can be lost to something that amounts to a statistical anomaly. There was less than a 2% chance of success on the other guy's part, yet it happened. It's just bad luck is all, isn't it?
Chance isn't good game design.
Because I said so...
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Cmdr Sy
Appetite 4 Destruction
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Posted - 2006.11.12 03:48:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
Engage in a 1v1 with a Megathron with 1 racial jammer. Vindicator has 24 sensor strength. Then proceed to be jammed 4 times *in a row*. Statistical chance of actually being jammed 4 times in a row given the sensor strengh and known jammer strength: 1.9%.
You would rather go into a 1v1, with a spreadsheet showing that based on tank and dps, it is impossible for you to lose against any single opponent?
I think ECM is unbalanced in terms of the disproportionate effect of receiving a single jam cycle over the course of a fight. A Thorax with a single multispec against a Thorax without a multispec, will win virtually every time. That's broken.
That someone had a couple of percent chance against a vastly superior ship which in normal circumstances cannot lose - that's worth keeping in game. A couple of percent sounds about right. Most people die if they get jammed once in three cycles.
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Andrea Jaruwalski
Caldari
Angel Deep Corporation
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Posted - 2006.11.12 03:49:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski
All of EVE needed to know that. Seems Vindicator losses need alot of stories on this forum now, maybe farjung needs to give his fanboys a bit of training other than cleaning his pants of the drools when they watch his movies.
I'm no fanboi. I'm just irked that a ship like a Vindicator can be lost to something that amounts to a statistical anomaly. There was less than a 2% chance of success on the other guy's part, yet it happened. It's just bad luck is all, isn't it?
Chance isn't good game design.
I don't know, maybe if you were so good at calculating your chances of getting jammed, you'd have noticed it didn't matter and fitted ECCM.
Also, If you were any decent at keeping your own killboards updated, i could probably pick on your setup.
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Dane Hur
Caldari
DaHOOD Communication
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Posted - 2006.11.12 04:03:00 -
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It happens I lost plenty of hands playing Poker with less chance than that, and this is only a game, you lost playmoney, get over it, besides as stated you could fit ECCM to improve you chances of not getting jammed, so please stop asking for a nerf.
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Jin Steele
Fatalix Inc.
Schism.
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Posted - 2006.11.12 04:06:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
luck is all, isn't it?
Chance isn't good game design.
sorry, but if chance isnt good game design, then i suggest you go play WoW. thats not an insult, but look at the facts. in EvE, chance allows 2 3 month old players to kill a 6 month or even 1 year old player. In WoW, there is no chance, so 2 lvl 30 characters cant kill a level 60 character. although it sucks, that 2% chance is what makes eve awesome.
Fatalix IS RECRUITING!
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murder one
Gallente
CRICE Corporation
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.12 04:26:00 -
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Originally by: Cmdr Sy
Originally by: murder one
Engage in a 1v1 with a Megathron with 1 racial jammer. Vindicator has 24 sensor strength. Then proceed to be jammed 4 times *in a row*. Statistical chance of actually being jammed 4 times in a row given the sensor strengh and known jammer strength: 1.9%.
You would rather go into a 1v1, with a spreadsheet showing that based on tank and dps, it is impossible for you to lose against any single opponent?
I think ECM is unbalanced in terms of the disproportionate effect of receiving a single jam cycle over the course of a fight. A Thorax with a single multispec against a Thorax without a multispec, will win virtually every time. That's broken.
That someone had a couple of percent chance against a vastly superior ship which in normal circumstances cannot lose - that's worth keeping in game. A couple of percent sounds about right. Most people die if they get jammed once in three cycles.
I don't get it. You agree with me, and then you turn around and disagree with yourself.
I'm not saying ECM should be removed. It should be balanced. Right now it *is* "disproportionately effective". With Kali coming the current balance of ECM won't change enough to make a difference in game play.
Because I said so...
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Kerc Kasha
Caldari
Wings of Redemption
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Posted - 2006.11.12 04:27:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Pieg
gawd you whine alot dont you..
You're telling me, every post I see from him he's whining about something. He just can't help himself.
Man even with ECM how the hell did you lose a vindicator to a single megathron?
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murder one
Gallente
CRICE Corporation
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.12 04:28:00 -
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Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski
Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski
All of EVE needed to know that. Seems Vindicator losses need alot of stories on this forum now, maybe farjung needs to give his fanboys a bit of training other than cleaning his pants of the drools when they watch his movies.
I'm no fanboi. I'm just irked that a ship like a Vindicator can be lost to something that amounts to a statistical anomaly. There was less than a 2% chance of success on the other guy's part, yet it happened. It's just bad luck is all, isn't it?
Chance isn't good game design.
I don't know, maybe if you were so good at calculating your chances of getting jammed, you'd have noticed it didn't matter and fitted ECCM.
Also, If you were any decent at keeping your own killboards updated, i could probably pick on your setup.
Why does everyone keep bringing up ECCM? It doesn't work. It never has. ECM is always more effective than ECCM. Why bring it up?
Because I said so...
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murder one
Gallente
CRICE Corporation
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.12 04:30:00 -
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Originally by: Kerc Kasha
Originally by: Admiral Pieg
gawd you whine alot dont you..
You're telling me, every post I see from him he's whining about something. He just can't help himself.
Man even with ECM how the hell did you lose a vindicator to a single megathron?
If you're perma-jammed, you can lose any ship to any other ship. ECM completely negates a ships ability to do anything, corret? So after it's ECMed, it's just a paperweight.
Because I said so...
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Samirol
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.11.12 04:30:00 -
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Originally by: Kerc Kasha
Originally by: Admiral Pieg
gawd you whine alot dont you..
You're telling me, every post I see from him he's whining about something. He just can't help himself.
Man even with ECM how the hell did you lose a vindicator to a single megathron?
plated neutron thron? being jammed for over a minute can make it close
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Jin Steele
Fatalix Inc.
Schism.
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Posted - 2006.11.12 04:31:00 -
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reppers and cap boosters dont require a lock.
Fatalix IS RECRUITING!
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Andrea Jaruwalski
Caldari
Angel Deep Corporation
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Posted - 2006.11.12 04:32:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski
Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski
All of EVE needed to know that. Seems Vindicator losses need alot of stories on this forum now, maybe farjung needs to give his fanboys a bit of training other than cleaning his pants of the drools when they watch his movies.
I'm no fanboi. I'm just irked that a ship like a Vindicator can be lost to something that amounts to a statistical anomaly. There was less than a 2% chance of success on the other guy's part, yet it happened. It's just bad luck is all, isn't it?
Chance isn't good game design.
I don't know, maybe if you were so good at calculating your chances of getting jammed, you'd have noticed it didn't matter and fitted ECCM.
Also, If you were any decent at keeping your own killboards updated, i could probably pick on your setup.
Why does everyone keep bringing up ECCM? It doesn't work. It never has. ECM is always more effective than ECCM. Why bring it up?
Let's see, you're 7 months old, flying a vindicator. ECCM in a 1vs1? Because most 1vs1, people know your ship and will simply fit a racial jammer. Oh wow, you got owned by that same ol tactic. ECM is always more effective than ECCM? Oh yea, you're right. Being able to jam someone before they jam you sure is a good tactic, it worked good for you it seems.
All in all, You probably would have gotten owned without being jammed anyways.
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murder one
Gallente
CRICE Corporation
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.12 04:35:00 -
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Originally by: Jin Steele
Originally by: murder one
luck is all, isn't it?
Chance isn't good game design.
sorry, but if chance isnt good game design, then i suggest you go play WoW. thats not an insult, but look at the facts. in EvE, chance allows 2 3 month old players to kill a 6 month or even 1 year old player. In WoW, there is no chance, so 2 lvl 30 characters cant kill a level 60 character. although it sucks, that 2% chance is what makes eve awesome.
Jin, I've been shooting you down ever since you started playing eve. Please don't try to educate me on the state of the game or it's design elements. Chance isn't the only thing that allows a new player to kill an experienced one. Skill and imagination do. I've killed plenty of players, including yourself with very very few skill points (300k SP low enough) because I was able to maximize my capabilities and use tactics and skill to make my kills, not ECM.
Because I said so...
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murder one
Gallente
CRICE Corporation
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.12 04:36:00 -
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Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski
Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski
Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski
All of EVE needed to know that. Seems Vindicator losses need alot of stories on this forum now, maybe farjung needs to give his fanboys a bit of training other than cleaning his pants of the drools when they watch his movies.
I'm no fanboi. I'm just irked that a ship like a Vindicator can be lost to something that amounts to a statistical anomaly. There was less than a 2% chance of success on the other guy's part, yet it happened. It's just bad luck is all, isn't it?
Chance isn't good game design.
I don't know, maybe if you were so good at calculating your chances of getting jammed, you'd have noticed it didn't matter and fitted ECCM.
Also, If you were any decent at keeping your own killboards updated, i could probably pick on your setup.
Why does everyone keep bringing up ECCM? It doesn't work. It never has. ECM is always more effective than ECCM. Why bring it up?
Let's see, you're 7 months old, flying a vindicator. ECCM in a 1vs1? Because most 1vs1, people know your ship and will simply fit a racial jammer. Oh wow, you got owned by that same ol tactic. ECM is always more effective than ECCM? Oh yea, you're right. Being able to jam someone before they jam you sure is a good tactic, it worked good for you it seems.
All in all, You probably would have gotten owned without being jammed anyways.
Whats with the 7 month old thing? It's like you're stupid or something. Maybe I have more than one char?
Because I said so...
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Andrea Jaruwalski
Caldari
Angel Deep Corporation
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Posted - 2006.11.12 04:37:00 -
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Whine on that one?
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Andrea Jaruwalski
Caldari
Angel Deep Corporation
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Posted - 2006.11.12 04:39:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski
Whine on that one?
Can't be asked to relog my other char for the forums.
Evemail me your killmail then.
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murder one
Gallente
CRICE Corporation
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.12 04:39:00 -
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Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski
Whine on that one?
Can't be asked to relog my other char for the forums.
Because I said so...
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murder one
Gallente
CRICE Corporation
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.12 04:42:00 -
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Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski
Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski
Whine on that one?
Can't be asked to relog my other char for the forums.
Evemail me your killmail then.
What's the point? I'm not being contrary, I'd just like to know why you'd want it. To inspect my setup?
Because I said so...
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Andrea Jaruwalski
Caldari
Angel Deep Corporation
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Posted - 2006.11.12 04:47:00 -
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I spread them on toasts in the morning.
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Onel Whitaker
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Posted - 2006.11.12 05:02:00 -
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I lost my Falcon to a Phoon the other day I had 5x ECM Multi fitted and I have all of my jamming skills and recon skills maxd even tho all of the 5 jammers faild, it can work both ways m8.. I got ****ed for a few mins but then just figured that god wanted my Falcon down that day.. life sucks, get a ******* helmet 
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Risien Drogonne
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Posted - 2006.11.12 06:20:00 -
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If you had bothered to fit just a single ECCM, it's unlikely this would have happened.
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murder one
Gallente
CRICE Corporation
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.12 06:21:00 -
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Originally by: Risien Drogonne
If you had bothered to fit just a single ECCM, it's unlikely this would have happened.
I've tried to use ECCM before. I have no faith in it.
Because I said so...
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Risien Drogonne
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Posted - 2006.11.12 06:22:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
Why does everyone keep bringing up ECCM? It doesn't work. It never has. ECM is always more effective than ECCM. Why bring it up?
How would you know since you never fit it?
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Risien Drogonne
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Posted - 2006.11.12 06:25:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Risien Drogonne
If you had bothered to fit just a single ECCM, it's unlikely this would have happened.
I've tried to use ECCM before. I have no faith in it.
See, that lie exposes itself. If you HAD bothered to try it, you'd know it works.
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Risien Drogonne
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Posted - 2006.11.12 07:01:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Risien Drogonne
Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Risien Drogonne
If you had bothered to fit just a single ECCM, it's unlikely this would have happened.
I've tried to use ECCM before. I have no faith in it.
See, that lie exposes itself. If you HAD bothered to try it, you'd know it works.
Talking to you is like talking to a brick. Didn't I **JUST SAY*** that I've tried ECCM and have no faith in it because it doesn't work?
You lied.
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