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Jeslik
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Posted - 2006.11.13 16:18:00 -
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Back to the OP's topic...
I feel your pain. I am @ 2 month noob, still solo atm. I have access to Lvl 2's, but not the skills to run them. I've been training Learning for so frakin long, and while they're training, I've kept occupied running Level 1's. I'm focusing on maximizing my agent standing in Pator. Currently, there are 3 lvl 1 agents in Pator and I'm @ 9.5, 9.1, and 5.7 with them, and the storyline agent has me at 3. When I'm at 9.9 there, I'll move to Lustre and rinse and repeat. In addition, I'm collecting all the drops back at my homebase, and seeing how big the stacks can get.
Occasionally, I'll leave my Hoarder in an "Unauthorized" for AKF mining either Omber or Pyro (that 86k drive to the gate is so annoying), so I can run another batch of ammo, but cruiser mining is really blah for me. Way too hands - on. .
You can also take yourself Ratting. I spent a lot of time in .5 belts (occasionally a .4 system, if it was real empty) It passes the time, and you get to see the universe. Plot a safe course to the next system, and just rat your way there. Drop the loot at whichever station is closest, and move on. Come back later in your industrial, and suck up the loot. You can hit all the racial trade hubs and see what life is like over there.
Once I have the skills to fight my Stabber properly, I'll start on the Lvl 2's; I've done a few Lvl 2's, but my skills are so poor that I have to warp out every other minute for repair. I need to get my Engineering / Shields / Gunnery / Missles seriously improved. Haven't defaulted on any missions, but I've wanted to. Cruisers are too expensive to replace at the moment...
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Sahjahn
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.13 16:32:00 -
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Skith: If you are bored of missions and wanna go kill something challenging. Get ya cruiser, get ya best tank on and biggest weapons, fly to 0.4/0.3 and fly into a complex....
...of course be ready to buy a new ship.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.13 16:43:00 -
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 Originally by: Jeslik
Back to the OP's topic...
I feel your pain. I am @ 2 month noob, still solo atm. I have access to Lvl 2's, but not the skills to run them. I've been training Learning for so frakin long, and while they're training, I've kept occupied running Level 1's.
You don't need to train learning for 2 months. Seriously.
I was doing level 3s in my second week.
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Skith Knoth
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Posted - 2006.11.13 21:56:00 -
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I just feel that i've not understood or screwed up somewhere with my rep. I've only turned down a few missions and i haven't failed any. But still my rep isn't going up. Most of the agents i use are Caldari Navy mainly cause it's the highest standing i have atm. I have at least 1 agents standing at 10 and a few others getting close to that. Is my problem that i use too many agents from too many different solar stytems? I tend to get bored and go to new/different areas. Still training social here for connections. I've trained int, learning, will, etc etc to rank 3 and stopped at that. I have engineering and electronics at rank 4 and most of my other skills, and i have over 40 are combat oriented, though rank 3 or less. In fact i think i've done a decent job with my training. Not a perfect job but it's a lot better than i thought for what i wish to accomplish.
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Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
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Posted - 2006.11.14 00:57:00 -
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argme: LOL - don't worry...I found it funny at least. 
- Ideas are my business...maybe thats why I'm always broke!
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Sonieli
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Posted - 2006.11.14 03:09:00 -
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Originally by: Skith Knoth
I just feel that i've not understood or screwed up somewhere with my rep. I've only turned down a few missions and i haven't failed any. But still my rep isn't going up. Most of the agents i use are Caldari Navy mainly cause it's the highest standing i have atm. I have at least 1 agents standing at 10 and a few others getting close to that. Is my problem that i use too many agents from too many different solar stytems? I tend to get bored and go to new/different areas. Still training social here for connections. I've trained int, learning, will, etc etc to rank 3 and stopped at that. I have engineering and electronics at rank 4 and most of my other skills, and i have over 40 are combat oriented, though rank 3 or less. In fact i think i've done a decent job with my training. Not a perfect job but it's a lot better than i thought for what i wish to accomplish.
Use the caldari navy info window and find the highest quality agent that is currently available and do missions for them. Your standing will then increase as you do missions for him and once new higher quality agents become available, transfer over to them. Keep doing this until you can get missions from lvl 2 agents.
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Razean
Minmatar
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.11.14 03:33:00 -
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You ARE doing the Storyline missions, right? They provide significantly more faction increase than a regular mission, so NEVER turn those down if you're trying to build faction standing.
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Skith Knoth
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Posted - 2006.11.14 07:28:00 -
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I think i turned down a few storyline missions but not many. That's why i completed worlds collide twice already or 3 times i forget. I noticed you got quite a bit more rep for doing them. I've never failed on any missions btw. Although i did turn down a few. Does excepting offers in trade for loyalty points mess up rep at all?
Ah thanks guys i finished training social tonight and connections rank 1 a bit ago. Before connections my rep with the navy was 0.71 earlier today and i went mad on just Caldari Navy missions and got it to 0.96 using the higher quality dudes i could find and swapping out to even higher ones soon as they became available. Then connections got done and now i'm at 1.32 Ah very nice i get level 2 missions just like you said. Thanks tons. Now it's time to blow up my cruiser. HAAAR
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Skith Knoth
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Posted - 2006.11.14 07:35:00 -
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Edited by: Skith Knoth on 14/11/2006 07:36:41
Sonieli, ah dude i was concentrating on raising my rep with the individuals for the navy. Then leaving when i'm bored for new areas and agents then coming back to the same guy most every day. I wasn't going for highest quality guy and swapping out when a higher one became available. But as above post and your post i finally got it right. Your answer and the connections answer i think are the more correct. Oh and storylines as well. Wish i'd have known that 2 weeks ago. doh
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Luke Pubcrawler
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Posted - 2006.11.14 11:33:00 -
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Now you can fly lvl 2 you will find a greater mix of missions and a few interesting multiparts one (at least I did). Rewards are also better. You should be able to make fairly rapid progress.
However don't limit yourself to mission running it can get dull. Mix in some ratting and maybe some PVP - even mining if you don't hate it. Complexs are a chance as well - find a 3/10 and give it a try on your cruiser. if you can fly WC then 2/10s in a good frigate should be ok.
Also find a 0.0 region with a few NPC or at least friendly PC controled stations and take a daytrip.
As for learning skills - lvl3 is good enough in all of them to get started. I did not do higher than that until about 4 months into the game. +1 implants are cheeap and help.
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sharkyballs
Amarr
Dkiller Delta Force Corp.
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Posted - 2006.11.14 15:22:00 -
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first i would like to comment on the humor i found with this thread
second, if you're already bored and complaining about doing missions, you're never gonna be satisfied in this game. as stated before "eve is pvp."
third, jump into a player corperation, it will help your standings especially if they run missions. it will also give you more posibility of pvp. you need some people to play with and to help you is what it sounds like.
fourth, yes pirates kill you just for the **** of it, agian, eve is pvp. they will kill anything they can. get into a player corp and you will learn more than you thought possible about surviving in the universe. get to some low sec or 0.0 and you'll really see the world open up, and start learning about real killing, not the npc kind. you don't have to be a pirate.
contact me in game if you need further assistance on this stuff, i'm happy to help
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Skith Knoth
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Posted - 2006.11.15 07:27:00 -
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Sharky Balls i was just tired of there only being 6 combat missions available. I was doing the same ones like 4 times a day. BTW having great fun now with theese level II missions. Now i got 22 to choice from so shouldn't have to repeat the same one several times a day. In fact it may be a day or 2 between having to repeat them. That's all i was asking for.
While i may at some point in the game join a player corp it's not something i want to do atm. After so many MMORPG games and eing in guilds i just want to be by myself yet still meet cool people and have people lend me a hand when they can. And thanks to all you posters and the dudes in game that have helped me out. I know i'll be missing like 80% of the game by not joining a player corp but maybe in the future. I want to skill up a bit and get a battleship and battlecruiser etc etc first. HAAAAR
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Mixologist
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Posted - 2006.11.15 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Skith Knoth
I want to skill up a bit and get a battleship and battlecruiser etc etc first. HAAAAR
Enjoy getting raped the first time you set foot in 0.0 with your shiny new BS without a clue in the world about how to actually survive an encounter with something with a real brain behind it.
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Razean
Minmatar
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.11.15 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Mixologist
Originally by: Skith Knoth
I want to skill up a bit and get a battleship and battlecruiser etc etc first. HAAAAR
Enjoy getting raped the first time you set foot in 0.0 with your shiny new BS without a clue in the world about how to actually survive an encounter with something with a real brain behind it.
While a bit harsh, his statement is 100% true. There really is no advantage to waiting to join a Player Corp, or waiting to participate in PvP. In fact, there's a distinct disadvantage. Losing half a dozen frigates or a few cruisers in your first few PvP experiences is far easier to deal with than losing your first BS in your first PvP encounter. And let's face it, if your first PvP encounter is in a BS, you're almost guaranteed to lose.
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B1G DAVE
Mining and Research Industrial Organisation
Hell Hounds
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Posted - 2006.11.16 14:02:00 -
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Why are you moaning because you are still on lvl I missions after 2 weeks? If you progressed a lvl every 3 days, you would be on lvl IVs right now. And you would have no way of doing that. The idea of taking a hwile to progress through the levels is so that you hopefully gain the eccesary skills to do the next level missions by the time you get enough standing for them.
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Nur Vadenn
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.11.16 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Jeslik
Back to the OP's topic...
I feel your pain. I am @ 2 month noob, still solo atm. I have access to Lvl 2's, but not the skills to run them. I've been training Learning for so frakin long, and while they're training, I've kept occupied running Level 1's.
You don't need to train learning for 2 months. Seriously.
I was doing level 3s in my second week.
Dark Shikari, I am intrigued by your statements. I would be interested in you elaborating on your points. There is generally a strong suggestion to focus on learning skill early to maximize your training efficiency. I see the problem with that being very limited ship and equipment choices. I also understand some of the reasoning behind focusing on learning first. What would you suggest?
In regards to level 3 missions by the second week in game I am also curious as to the path you followed to achieve this. I have social, connections, and negotiation to level 3 and I still do not qualify for a level 3 agent. In those 2 weeks did you play intensely or am I perhaps missing an essential skill for mission advancement?
War is not hell, far from it. War is beautiful. War is divine. - Grand Admiral Mekioth Sarum
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Skith Knoth
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Posted - 2006.11.17 03:17:00 -
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Originally by: B1G DAVE
Why are you moaning because you are still on lvl I missions after 2 weeks? If you progressed a lvl every 3 days, you would be on lvl IVs right now. And you would have no way of doing that. The idea of taking a hwile to progress through the levels is so that you hopefully gain the eccesary skills to do the next level missions by the time you get enough standing for them.
I had a problem getting Rep thank you. With help it's fixed. Call it moaning if you want. But i want action. Your idea of taking a while to learn the neneccessary skillz for the next level of missions is complete and total garbage. Set your own pace and never let a game dictate the pace. Game has a learning curve and we each learn at different rates. We each are looking for something different out of the game. I am mainly training in combat stuff. Should i be at level IV missions right now. No. Although i may be ready for level III's.
I found it amazing that people would spend most of thier time early in the game training all the non combat stuff to maximize/decrease the learning time for all skillz. I mean it does make sense to do that. However for me i don't want to sit around mining for the next 6 months waiting for skillz to train up. We're all going to go about it in a different way. I don't plan on manufacturing or mining or much of anything else. So for me maximizing my skillz is baesed on what i need right now. Not how good it'll benefit me in the future. No i'm not saying that most people are wrong in the way they're doing it. Far from it in fact. I'm just stressing how i wish to play. Does it mean i may never get a capital ship or that i may regret my decision in the future. It's a very good possibilty. But i seriously can't wait 6 months on training to get one. I won't be here 6 months.
OK so i get a battleship and get podded again. No biggie. I'll just buy another one. I won't be happy but that's life. It's not like i'm uninsured. I know this game most of you are calling PvP. But the game is what you make of it. I'd get there's quite a few playing that never and i mean never PvP. I'm just here to have fun and do what i want to do. I've never been much into PvP in any game. So if i complain about missions it's because it's my #1 thing that i wish to do to have fun. When the missions run out or i get bored of them and or never pvp it's good bye Eve.
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Skith Knoth
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Posted - 2006.11.19 07:08:00 -
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day 21
social 3
connections 2
Got level 3 missions just a bit ago. Decided not to get connections 3 since everything seems to be going well now. Almost got enough isk for a BC but need a bit more training. Maybe a day or 2 or 3 til Ferox i'm hoping.
Strange but i've been checking lots of people while playing the game and not many have rep. I'll assume some of them started playing before the npc missions got added. But i swear it's like 90%+ that have lower rep than me now. I know some people just want to mine and or pvp. But isn't it still a good idea to get rep and the missions seem to pay out very well. So i'm a bit confused why hardly anyone is using them or maybe they messed up like i was doing and not using better agents when they became available. Maybe they were like me and couldn't get rep and just gave up. Well the ones that at least tried. I can see a lot of situations where you wouldn't really have to do any npc missions.
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Francis Verdictio
BGG
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.19 13:56:00 -
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Don't forget to train negotiations, for increase in benefits from the missions.
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Sandeep
Trojan industries
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Posted - 2006.11.19 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Skith Knoth
Strange but i've been checking lots of people while playing the game and not many have rep. I'll assume some of them started playing before the npc missions got added. But i swear it's like 90%+ that have lower rep than me now.
Dedicated traders/miners/scientists/industrialists/PvPers do not need high NPC standings. What they need are friends/corp/alliance.
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Skith Knoth
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Posted - 2006.11.20 05:53:00 -
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Negotiations ya i saw that before but forgot about it. Ty for the reminder i'll get it soon. Got the battle cruiser ferox a few minutes ago. Made plenty isk for it today and i am trained for it. Now my skillz in missles is ok but not sure what to put in the turret spots. Haven't trained much there. But i know i want extremely short range for those 2 spots. Missles suck even with assault launchers when targets are within 2k. So i'll be checking the market but some pointers in that regard would be great. I know the ferox has 10% to medium hybrid turret range. But that's not gonna benefit me for what i want atm.
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Nahru Razor
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Posted - 2006.11.20 10:11:00 -
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When I was flying a Ferox, in the beginning I put 2 medium rails, then later after training science to 4, I put 1 rail and 1 tractor beam to aid in looting (a huge bonus on an innately slower ship like the Ferox)
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