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Skith Knoth	Posted - 2006.11.12 20:00:00 - [1] There's only like 5 combat missions or what? How long does it take to get faction? When will i get level 2 missions? Truthfully i just wanna kill stuff. I'll pass on anything and everything else. I'm not playing the game to mine and do any other sort of activity except kill. Been 2 weeks now and i been doing mining, courier, combat etc missions. Do i have to do 200 missions to get enough rep for level 2 missions or what. God i'm so bored of theese same 5 combat missions. Help me out here. Help me get rep or whatever it takes to get me more/different combat missions. Got a frigate, cruiser and a destroyer and i'm not about to complete the Worlds collide mission a 3rd time in a Merlin. It's pathetically easy and i'm frustratingly bored. Help as in the word HEEEEELP!! lol thanks for replies if i get some useful ones. Ya i know it's been answered 5,000 times in the past but i'll be ****ed if i can find it after 2 hours of looking. :)
Elliot Reid Gallente Digital Fury Corporation	Posted - 2006.11.12 20:05:00 - [2] You have checked the npc corp's agents info to see if you have access to level 2 missions? You don't get sent to a new agent, you have to see if you have access. If this isn't the case then please feel free to ignore me
argme	Posted - 2006.11.12 20:16:00 - [3] Yes i have. My rep is too low. In fact some level 1 agents still won't talk to me. Not like i want to talk to them anyways. I checked and a lot have quality -17 or some such. Basically i need to know how to get rep. Also if there's only say 5 different combat missions per level then why should i even extend my account. I'm friggin bored and there just must be more to this game by default. I can't for a minute believe eve has only 5 combat missions. Or am i wrong with that assumption?
Kumu Honua	Posted - 2006.11.12 20:33:00 - [4] You can train the connection skills. Each level gives you 0.4 standing with an agent. Most level 2 agents need 1.0 standing, so level 3 in connections will get you instant access. (To lower level agents) for the most part. However, if your problem is that you are tired of the same 5 missions over and over. You are in for a surprise when you start the level 2 agent and find out that you are doing the same 5 missions, with tiny additions/changes with a couple new ones....
Skith Knoth	Posted - 2006.11.12 20:53:00 - [5] omg i may as well cancel my subcription then. WTF would the game designers only have 5 variations of the same combat missions.
Kharakan Amarr GREY COUNCIL Breidablik	Posted - 2006.11.12 20:58:00 - [6] Try something other than missions =P I can put in a good word for piracy. Originally by: Joshua Foiritain (to Dark Shikari) HAHAHA I KNOW YOUR ACCOUUNT NAME TIME TO DIE this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
Gornax Garrul Minmatar	Posted - 2006.11.12 21:25:00 - [7] You might look around for other corps' agents. There is probably one or two corps you have enough standing for a higher quality agent. It sounds like you just grabbed the first agent you could do missions for. GG ** People like you make me want to access your brain and type "rm -rf /*"
Kumu Honua	Posted - 2006.11.12 21:34:00 - [8] Originally by: Skith Knoth omg i may as well cancel my subcription then. WTF would the game designers only have 5 variations of the same combat missions. Missions are also rather new for eve. Give it time and there might be more missions, but yeah. It gets really repetitive really quickly right now.
Sandeep Trojan industries	Posted - 2006.11.12 22:17:00 - [9] Here are a list of things that you should do to find targets more challenging: for killing NPC: [ ] Picked Navy corp [ ] Picked combat agent (e.g. Command, Security, Surveillance) [ ] Trained Connections [ ] Did a non-tutorial storyline mission [ ] Cleared both sides of Worlds Collide without warping out [ ] Completed a higher-rated complex without warping out [ ] Completed a COSMOS mission [ ] Completed a higher-rated mission or complex as a team [ ] Cleared belt rats in 0.3 [ ] Cleared belt rats in 0.0 (higher-rated = difficulty rating above your current ship class) for PVP: [ ] Went to empire low sec [ ] Evaded, engaged, or participated in a gate camp [ ] Went to 0.0 [ ] Joined a pvp corp
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.12 23:23:00 - [10] With Connections 3 you automatically get level 2s... don't even need to do level 1s. -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Oriella Trikassi Trikassi Enterprises	Posted - 2006.11.12 23:33:00 - [11] Originally by: Skith Knoth Truthfully i just wanna kill stuff. I'll pass on anything and everything else. I'm not playing the game to mine and do any other sort of activity except kill. You're in the wrong game then :-) Combat Missions, killing NPCs, are the only thing most players do in some MMORPGs and are a large part of others, but that is not the case in Eve. Most combat is PvP, and unlike most MMORPGs it can happen anywhere, there are no 'non-combat' areas. That is not to say everyone is a combat PvPer in Eve, there is economic competition as well. Combat missions were in the game from the start, but are there for training, for systems and weapon testing, for earning ISK from looting, for improving standings with NPC Corps and factions. They have been improved, but they remain a minor part of Eve. --- Trikassi Enterprises, oiling the jumpgates of commerce since 2004
Caleb Paine ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.12 23:39:00 - [12] Some people give some odd advise... EVE is not about NPC encounters, those really are badly done and very simplistic. EVE is about player vs. player encounters in many different ways. You don't HAVE to do missions, or HAVE to mine, in fact you don't HAVE to do anything. Everything in EVE has the possiblity of making money and a lot of those don't have SP or ship requirements at all. You just have to see the opportinity and be smart about it. If you really want to do missions then yes, train up the connections skill, but understand that for lvl 2 missions you'll need a cruiser. Also, keep to 1 agent corporation. Jumping around doing missions for several different ones isn't helping you get that standing up. -------------------------------- ISS Navy Task Force; Protecting your interest.
Skith Knoth	Posted - 2006.11.12 23:50:00 - [13] I have a very well decked out cruiser for level 2 missions if i ever get any :) Here are a list of things that you should do to find targets more challenging: for killing NPC: [X] Picked Navy corp [X] Picked combat agent (e.g. Command, Security, Surveillance) [ ] Trained Connections [X] Did a non-tutorial storyline mission [X] Cleared both sides of Worlds Collide without warping out [not sure] Completed a higher-rated complex without warping out [er cosmos?] Completed a COSMOS mission [ ] Completed a higher-rated mission or complex as a team [ ] Cleared belt rats in 0.3 [ ] Cleared belt rats in 0.0 (higher-rated = difficulty rating above your current ship class) for PVP: [ ] Went to empire low sec [ ] Evaded, engaged, or participated in a gate camp [ ] Went to 0.0 [ ] Joined a pvp corp It really sounds like i need to become a pirate for me to enjoy the game. But i don't like ****ing people off or taking advantage of people. Hoping there's alternatives. So it's a tough decision. Thanks for the train connections idea. I missed that one.
Fswd	Posted - 2006.11.13 00:00:00 - [14] You don't have to go YARR to have fun in EVE. Even some mining corps ask for combatguys to protect while mining, and that sometimes include protecting against 0.0 battleships
Guile D'Verde Caldari The Crescent Order	Posted - 2006.11.13 00:09:00 - [15] Speaking of giving odd advice... Firstly, there are a lot more than five combat missions. Check out www.eveinfo.com and you'll see what I mean. Secondly, it sounds like you're working for a division that gives a mix of different agent types. Try command, they are like 95% combat or something.
Guile D'Verde Caldari The Crescent Order	Posted - 2006.11.13 00:12:00 - [16] Oh and I forgot to add, you don't want to move up to level 2 missions until you can fly a cruiser regardless of whether you have the standing for them. What corp are you working for, just out of curiousity?
Ballistic Oblivion Privateers	Posted - 2006.11.13 00:33:00 - [17] test
Benglada Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.11.13 00:51:00 - [18] Originally by: Ballistic Oblivion test theres actually a test forum = / --------------------------- Originally by: Arkanor 0.0 is the Final Frontier. Bring money and friends.
Ricky Starwalker	Posted - 2006.11.13 02:31:00 - [19] There are indeed many more than 5 combat missions. And if you're getting too many courier or mining missions, you're using the wrong kind of agent. It's not just Command that gives 95% combat missions. Try Internal Security, Security, Intelligence or Surveillance for a pretty steady dose of combat stuff. Me, I enjoy doing missions, even after a couple of months of it. They do get more challenging as you progress to level II agents etc. And storyline missions come up regularly -- you get one after every 12 or 16 missions (I forget). Those can be quite interesting.
Skith Knoth	Posted - 2006.11.13 03:08:00 - [20] Again i have a well decked out cruiser. But stopped using it cause it was boring doing level 1 missions and shields only dropping to 95% killing everything at once. Currently working for Caldari Navy and Propel Dynamics. Rep is .68 and .66 with them. I do mainly command and security missions. I swear it seems like i do 2-4 missions to get Navy standing to go up 0.01 This is what's frustrating me. Maybe i should be doing more story line missions to increase rep quicker i dunno. Just lost my destroyer to Rexxar Civire. Doing a level 1 mission that sent me to a 0.4 area to kill drones. I entered the system and some dreadnought starts attacking me (not rexxar)i warp to the area to do my mission of killing drones. Complete the mission and head to warp gate and get killed and podded by Rexxar. I look at his standing and what race he is and we're the same. Er if someone goes around killing your own citizens i'd think you'd loose rep with them. A good guy turned pirate? Why POD a newb doing a level 1 quest in the first place? Is there a challenge in that? I don't think i want to be a pirate if they're all fools like Rexxar.
Asen Lieglama	Posted - 2006.11.13 04:26:00 - [21] Me, I've been getting the opposite problem to the OP. I like combat missions, but I wanted to do some courier missions today, and had very little luck. I think it's all luck sometimes.
Farrellus Cameron Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.13 04:34:00 - [22] You need to train connections to lvl 4. Solve all your problems.
Caleb Paine ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.13 08:14:00 - [23] Originally by: Skith Knoth Again i have a well decked out cruiser. But stopped using it cause it was boring doing level 1 missions and shields only dropping to 95% killing everything at once. Currently working for Caldari Navy and Propel Dynamics. Rep is .68 and .66 with them. I do mainly command and security missions. I swear it seems like i do 2-4 missions to get Navy standing to go up 0.01 This is what's frustrating me. Maybe i should be doing more story line missions to increase rep quicker i dunno. Just lost my destroyer to Rexxar Civire. Doing a level 1 mission that sent me to a 0.4 area to kill drones. I entered the system and some dreadnought starts attacking me (not rexxar)i warp to the area to do my mission of killing drones. Complete the mission and head to warp gate and get killed and podded by Rexxar. I look at his standing and what race he is and we're the same. Er if someone goes around killing your own citizens i'd think you'd loose rep with them. A good guy turned pirate? Why POD a newb doing a level 1 quest in the first place? Is there a challenge in that? I don't think i want to be a pirate if they're all fools like Rexxar. They kill you because they can, you entered a low sec system which are inherently dangerous. A tip; When you get a system message saying the thing you're about to do might be dangerous THEY MEAN IT! It has nothing to do with race or standing, you're in low sec; expect to get shot, period. -------------------------------- ISS Navy Task Force; Protecting your interest.
argme	Posted - 2006.11.13 08:53:00 - [24] Hey i wasn't the programmer that set a newb level 1 mission to go into a 0.4 area. I didn't say thru it. I said into it to do my mission. Fine be a pirate and spend more on ammo that what you can salvage from my ship. Go ahead and kill a newb. Screw it i won't question that. But wtf is the POD KILLING about. If i was a pirate i'd demand a gratuity fee or a ransom or a toll bridge/warp gate fee or something instead of pod kill you. WTF theese morons just kill newbs for the fun of it and can't role play by trying to be a pirate. Oh wait maybe he was role playing. His was playing at being an ******* and an idiot. Next time try start conversation. ARG you're a newb maybe you got 500,000isk pay me now to use this stargate of f ing die biatch. Now that's roleplaying. Geez
Horton Heat Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.13 09:18:00 - [25] Maybe now you've had a taste of some of Eve's more pointless pirates, you could take some of that new-found emotion and dedicate yourself to pirate hunting? Guaranteed combat and no doubt a lot spicier than the missions : )
Caleb Paine ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.13 09:46:00 - [26] Why would you NOT podkill? -------------------------------- ISS Navy Task Force; Protecting your interest.
argme	Posted - 2006.11.13 10:11:00 - [27] For the ransom doh. That's the more correct way to roleplay a pirate. Pirates of old on sea ships always ransomed if they thought they could get a ransom. In fact ransom was a great way to make money. Hmm bounty huter to kill foolish idiotic pairates that can't even roleplay correctly. And no i don't put all pirates in that category. I'll think about it. But this is only my 15th day playing the game and i'm still doing level 1 missions and my rep went up 0.03 tonight. I figure 2-3 weeks and i can get level 2 missions. Yes i'm being sarcastic but at the =same time totally serious. Don't think i'll be a bounty hunter for about 6 months or more going at this rate. Seems there are more combat missions than i thought thanks to a previous poster. There are 6 combat missions for level 1 and not 5 like i thought (woopie). There is also 1 storyline mission, worlds collide which i mentioned. So 7 missions total for combat. At level 2 there are 22 and several story line ones (that's looking much better and L3 and L4 missions there are even more of). I guess i'm stuck doing those 6 combat missions and repeating worlds collide over and over again. :(
Enotz Amarr Terminus Est Incorporated	Posted - 2006.11.13 10:13:00 - [28] First of all, check your missions. If you can't survive in lowsec, turn down the mission. Secondly, train the ****ed connections skill. Even 2 or 3, which you can get easily in a few hours, will make a huge difference. Thirdly, if you want to have a ton of fun with combat in eve, go to 0.0 and pvp. You don't have to pirate, you can join an alliance and help defend their space, but NPCing is really not where it's at.
Athena Starfire Gallente	Posted - 2006.11.13 10:56:00 - [29] Originally by: argme Hey i wasn't the programmer that set a newb level 1 mission to go into a 0.4 area. I didn't say thru it. I said into it to do my mission. Fine be a pirate and spend more on ammo that what you can salvage from my ship. Go ahead and kill a newb. Screw it i won't question that. But wtf is the POD KILLING about. If i was a pirate i'd demand a gratuity fee or a ransom or a toll bridge/warp gate fee or something instead of pod kill you. WTF theese morons just kill newbs for the fun of it and can't role play by trying to be a pirate. Oh wait maybe he was role playing. His was playing at being an ******* and an idiot. Next time try start conversation. ARG you're a newb maybe you got 500,000isk pay me now to use this stargate of f ing die biatch. Now that's roleplaying. Geez No..what do the get for pod-killing you? A little eve-mail that says they did..Isn't that a great reason!!
argme	Posted - 2006.11.13 11:09:00 - [30] I'm currently training Social to level 3 since that's a requirement for training connections. Good advise that and thanks to several of you for pointing it out. Example of a pirates death. pirate Rexxar civire enters his hideout and meets with hiw leader. Leader "HAAAAR how's it go today mate? What's the profits look like and who'd you kill?" Rexxar "Arg i was camping that gate you sent me to and blew me up a newb" Leader "HAAAR did you scan his cargo bay" Rexxar "Arg no. I just blew him up" Leader "HAAAR well what's the loot looking like" Rexxar "Arg about 20,000isk worth of crap" Leader "HAAAR oh you don't say. HAAR don't think that's gonna be covering the cost of the ammo. But HAAAAR at least you got a ransom. Rexxar "ARG no i podded him" BOOM (leader shoots Rexxar dead) Leader "HAAAAR Sir Francis Drake shake your leg and get over here. Space that body and take over command of his ship. Show me you know how to be a pirate that can make money and not be a fool like this one. Wait scrap that spacing. That's too good for him. Set him on a world and let him rot on the dirt. Serve him right and let it be a leason to all ye pirates. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRR
Jeslik	Posted - 2006.11.13 16:18:00 - [31] Back to the OP's topic... I feel your pain. I am @ 2 month noob, still solo atm. I have access to Lvl 2's, but not the skills to run them. I've been training Learning for so frakin long, and while they're training, I've kept occupied running Level 1's. I'm focusing on maximizing my agent standing in Pator. Currently, there are 3 lvl 1 agents in Pator and I'm @ 9.5, 9.1, and 5.7 with them, and the storyline agent has me at 3. When I'm at 9.9 there, I'll move to Lustre and rinse and repeat. In addition, I'm collecting all the drops back at my homebase, and seeing how big the stacks can get. Occasionally, I'll leave my Hoarder in an "Unauthorized" for AKF mining either Omber or Pyro (that 86k drive to the gate is so annoying), so I can run another batch of ammo, but cruiser mining is really blah for me. Way too hands - on. . You can also take yourself Ratting. I spent a lot of time in .5 belts (occasionally a .4 system, if it was real empty) It passes the time, and you get to see the universe. Plot a safe course to the next system, and just rat your way there. Drop the loot at whichever station is closest, and move on. Come back later in your industrial, and suck up the loot. You can hit all the racial trade hubs and see what life is like over there. Once I have the skills to fight my Stabber properly, I'll start on the Lvl 2's; I've done a few Lvl 2's, but my skills are so poor that I have to warp out every other minute for repair. I need to get my Engineering / Shields / Gunnery / Missles seriously improved. Haven't defaulted on any missions, but I've wanted to. Cruisers are too expensive to replace at the moment...
Sahjahn Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.13 16:32:00 - [32] Skith: If you are bored of missions and wanna go kill something challenging. Get ya cruiser, get ya best tank on and biggest weapons, fly to 0.4/0.3 and fly into a complex.... ...of course be ready to buy a new ship.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.13 16:43:00 - [33] Originally by: Jeslik Back to the OP's topic... I feel your pain. I am @ 2 month noob, still solo atm. I have access to Lvl 2's, but not the skills to run them. I've been training Learning for so frakin long, and while they're training, I've kept occupied running Level 1's. You don't need to train learning for 2 months. Seriously. I was doing level 3s in my second week. -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Skith Knoth	Posted - 2006.11.13 21:56:00 - [34] I just feel that i've not understood or screwed up somewhere with my rep. I've only turned down a few missions and i haven't failed any. But still my rep isn't going up. Most of the agents i use are Caldari Navy mainly cause it's the highest standing i have atm. I have at least 1 agents standing at 10 and a few others getting close to that. Is my problem that i use too many agents from too many different solar stytems? I tend to get bored and go to new/different areas. Still training social here for connections. I've trained int, learning, will, etc etc to rank 3 and stopped at that. I have engineering and electronics at rank 4 and most of my other skills, and i have over 40 are combat oriented, though rank 3 or less. In fact i think i've done a decent job with my training. Not a perfect job but it's a lot better than i thought for what i wish to accomplish.
Vyktor Abyss The Abyss Corporation	Posted - 2006.11.14 00:57:00 - [35] argme: LOL - don't worry...I found it funny at least. - Ideas are my business...maybe thats why I'm always broke! Science Ships
Sonieli	Posted - 2006.11.14 03:09:00 - [36] Originally by: Skith Knoth I just feel that i've not understood or screwed up somewhere with my rep. I've only turned down a few missions and i haven't failed any. But still my rep isn't going up. Most of the agents i use are Caldari Navy mainly cause it's the highest standing i have atm. I have at least 1 agents standing at 10 and a few others getting close to that. Is my problem that i use too many agents from too many different solar stytems? I tend to get bored and go to new/different areas. Still training social here for connections. I've trained int, learning, will, etc etc to rank 3 and stopped at that. I have engineering and electronics at rank 4 and most of my other skills, and i have over 40 are combat oriented, though rank 3 or less. In fact i think i've done a decent job with my training. Not a perfect job but it's a lot better than i thought for what i wish to accomplish. Use the caldari navy info window and find the highest quality agent that is currently available and do missions for them. Your standing will then increase as you do missions for him and once new higher quality agents become available, transfer over to them. Keep doing this until you can get missions from lvl 2 agents.
Razean Minmatar Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.14 03:33:00 - [37] You ARE doing the Storyline missions, right? They provide significantly more faction increase than a regular mission, so NEVER turn those down if you're trying to build faction standing.
Skith Knoth	Posted - 2006.11.14 07:28:00 - [38] I think i turned down a few storyline missions but not many. That's why i completed worlds collide twice already or 3 times i forget. I noticed you got quite a bit more rep for doing them. I've never failed on any missions btw. Although i did turn down a few. Does excepting offers in trade for loyalty points mess up rep at all? Ah thanks guys i finished training social tonight and connections rank 1 a bit ago. Before connections my rep with the navy was 0.71 earlier today and i went mad on just Caldari Navy missions and got it to 0.96 using the higher quality dudes i could find and swapping out to even higher ones soon as they became available. Then connections got done and now i'm at 1.32 Ah very nice i get level 2 missions just like you said. Thanks tons. Now it's time to blow up my cruiser. HAAAR
Skith Knoth	Posted - 2006.11.14 07:35:00 - [39] Edited by: Skith Knoth on 14/11/2006 07:36:41 Sonieli, ah dude i was concentrating on raising my rep with the individuals for the navy. Then leaving when i'm bored for new areas and agents then coming back to the same guy most every day. I wasn't going for highest quality guy and swapping out when a higher one became available. But as above post and your post i finally got it right. Your answer and the connections answer i think are the more correct. Oh and storylines as well. Wish i'd have known that 2 weeks ago. doh
Luke Pubcrawler	Posted - 2006.11.14 11:33:00 - [40] Now you can fly lvl 2 you will find a greater mix of missions and a few interesting multiparts one (at least I did). Rewards are also better. You should be able to make fairly rapid progress. However don't limit yourself to mission running it can get dull. Mix in some ratting and maybe some PVP - even mining if you don't hate it. Complexs are a chance as well - find a 3/10 and give it a try on your cruiser. if you can fly WC then 2/10s in a good frigate should be ok. Also find a 0.0 region with a few NPC or at least friendly PC controled stations and take a daytrip. As for learning skills - lvl3 is good enough in all of them to get started. I did not do higher than that until about 4 months into the game. +1 implants are cheeap and help.
sharkyballs Amarr Dkiller Delta Force Corp.	Posted - 2006.11.14 15:22:00 - [41] first i would like to comment on the humor i found with this thread second, if you're already bored and complaining about doing missions, you're never gonna be satisfied in this game. as stated before "eve is pvp." third, jump into a player corperation, it will help your standings especially if they run missions. it will also give you more posibility of pvp. you need some people to play with and to help you is what it sounds like. fourth, yes pirates kill you just for the **** of it, agian, eve is pvp. they will kill anything they can. get into a player corp and you will learn more than you thought possible about surviving in the universe. get to some low sec or 0.0 and you'll really see the world open up, and start learning about real killing, not the npc kind. you don't have to be a pirate. contact me in game if you need further assistance on this stuff, i'm happy to help
Skith Knoth	Posted - 2006.11.15 07:27:00 - [42] Sharky Balls i was just tired of there only being 6 combat missions available. I was doing the same ones like 4 times a day. BTW having great fun now with theese level II missions. Now i got 22 to choice from so shouldn't have to repeat the same one several times a day. In fact it may be a day or 2 between having to repeat them. That's all i was asking for. While i may at some point in the game join a player corp it's not something i want to do atm. After so many MMORPG games and eing in guilds i just want to be by myself yet still meet cool people and have people lend me a hand when they can. And thanks to all you posters and the dudes in game that have helped me out. I know i'll be missing like 80% of the game by not joining a player corp but maybe in the future. I want to skill up a bit and get a battleship and battlecruiser etc etc first. HAAAAR
Mixologist	Posted - 2006.11.15 11:14:00 - [43] Originally by: Skith Knoth I want to skill up a bit and get a battleship and battlecruiser etc etc first. HAAAAR Enjoy getting raped the first time you set foot in 0.0 with your shiny new BS without a clue in the world about how to actually survive an encounter with something with a real brain behind it.
Razean Minmatar Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.15 18:49:00 - [44] Originally by: Mixologist Originally by: Skith Knoth I want to skill up a bit and get a battleship and battlecruiser etc etc first. HAAAAR Enjoy getting raped the first time you set foot in 0.0 with your shiny new BS without a clue in the world about how to actually survive an encounter with something with a real brain behind it. While a bit harsh, his statement is 100% true. There really is no advantage to waiting to join a Player Corp, or waiting to participate in PvP. In fact, there's a distinct disadvantage. Losing half a dozen frigates or a few cruisers in your first few PvP experiences is far easier to deal with than losing your first BS in your first PvP encounter. And let's face it, if your first PvP encounter is in a BS, you're almost guaranteed to lose.
B1G DAVE Mining and Research Industrial Organisation Hell Hounds	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:02:00 - [45] Why are you moaning because you are still on lvl I missions after 2 weeks? If you progressed a lvl every 3 days, you would be on lvl IVs right now. And you would have no way of doing that. The idea of taking a hwile to progress through the levels is so that you hopefully gain the eccesary skills to do the next level missions by the time you get enough standing for them.
Nur Vadenn Amarr	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:19:00 - [46] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Jeslik Back to the OP's topic... I feel your pain. I am @ 2 month noob, still solo atm. I have access to Lvl 2's, but not the skills to run them. I've been training Learning for so frakin long, and while they're training, I've kept occupied running Level 1's. You don't need to train learning for 2 months. Seriously. I was doing level 3s in my second week. Dark Shikari, I am intrigued by your statements. I would be interested in you elaborating on your points. There is generally a strong suggestion to focus on learning skill early to maximize your training efficiency. I see the problem with that being very limited ship and equipment choices. I also understand some of the reasoning behind focusing on learning first. What would you suggest? In regards to level 3 missions by the second week in game I am also curious as to the path you followed to achieve this. I have social, connections, and negotiation to level 3 and I still do not qualify for a level 3 agent. In those 2 weeks did you play intensely or am I perhaps missing an essential skill for mission advancement? War is not hell, far from it. War is beautiful. War is divine. - Grand Admiral Mekioth Sarum
Skith Knoth	Posted - 2006.11.17 03:17:00 - [47] Originally by: B1G DAVE Why are you moaning because you are still on lvl I missions after 2 weeks? If you progressed a lvl every 3 days, you would be on lvl IVs right now. And you would have no way of doing that. The idea of taking a hwile to progress through the levels is so that you hopefully gain the eccesary skills to do the next level missions by the time you get enough standing for them. I had a problem getting Rep thank you. With help it's fixed. Call it moaning if you want. But i want action. Your idea of taking a while to learn the neneccessary skillz for the next level of missions is complete and total garbage. Set your own pace and never let a game dictate the pace. Game has a learning curve and we each learn at different rates. We each are looking for something different out of the game. I am mainly training in combat stuff. Should i be at level IV missions right now. No. Although i may be ready for level III's. I found it amazing that people would spend most of thier time early in the game training all the non combat stuff to maximize/decrease the learning time for all skillz. I mean it does make sense to do that. However for me i don't want to sit around mining for the next 6 months waiting for skillz to train up. We're all going to go about it in a different way. I don't plan on manufacturing or mining or much of anything else. So for me maximizing my skillz is baesed on what i need right now. Not how good it'll benefit me in the future. No i'm not saying that most people are wrong in the way they're doing it. Far from it in fact. I'm just stressing how i wish to play. Does it mean i may never get a capital ship or that i may regret my decision in the future. It's a very good possibilty. But i seriously can't wait 6 months on training to get one. I won't be here 6 months. OK so i get a battleship and get podded again. No biggie. I'll just buy another one. I won't be happy but that's life. It's not like i'm uninsured. I know this game most of you are calling PvP. But the game is what you make of it. I'd get there's quite a few playing that never and i mean never PvP. I'm just here to have fun and do what i want to do. I've never been much into PvP in any game. So if i complain about missions it's because it's my #1 thing that i wish to do to have fun. When the missions run out or i get bored of them and or never pvp it's good bye Eve.
Skith Knoth	Posted - 2006.11.19 07:08:00 - [48] day 21 social 3 connections 2 Got level 3 missions just a bit ago. Decided not to get connections 3 since everything seems to be going well now. Almost got enough isk for a BC but need a bit more training. Maybe a day or 2 or 3 til Ferox i'm hoping. Strange but i've been checking lots of people while playing the game and not many have rep. I'll assume some of them started playing before the npc missions got added. But i swear it's like 90%+ that have lower rep than me now. I know some people just want to mine and or pvp. But isn't it still a good idea to get rep and the missions seem to pay out very well. So i'm a bit confused why hardly anyone is using them or maybe they messed up like i was doing and not using better agents when they became available. Maybe they were like me and couldn't get rep and just gave up. Well the ones that at least tried. I can see a lot of situations where you wouldn't really have to do any npc missions.
Francis Verdictio BGG Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.19 13:56:00 - [49] Don't forget to train negotiations, for increase in benefits from the missions.
Sandeep Trojan industries	Posted - 2006.11.19 16:07:00 - [50] Originally by: Skith Knoth Strange but i've been checking lots of people while playing the game and not many have rep. I'll assume some of them started playing before the npc missions got added. But i swear it's like 90%+ that have lower rep than me now. Dedicated traders/miners/scientists/industrialists/PvPers do not need high NPC standings. What they need are friends/corp/alliance.
Skith Knoth	Posted - 2006.11.20 05:53:00 - [51] Negotiations ya i saw that before but forgot about it. Ty for the reminder i'll get it soon. Got the battle cruiser ferox a few minutes ago. Made plenty isk for it today and i am trained for it. Now my skillz in missles is ok but not sure what to put in the turret spots. Haven't trained much there. But i know i want extremely short range for those 2 spots. Missles suck even with assault launchers when targets are within 2k. So i'll be checking the market but some pointers in that regard would be great. I know the ferox has 10% to medium hybrid turret range. But that's not gonna benefit me for what i want atm.
Nahru Razor	Posted - 2006.11.20 10:11:00 - [52] When I was flying a Ferox, in the beginning I put 2 medium rails, then later after training science to 4, I put 1 rail and 1 tractor beam to aid in looting (a huge bonus on an innately slower ship like the Ferox)

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