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Solecist Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
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Posted - 2015.05.20 12:06:50 -
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There is actually something to add.
I observed that there seems to be the attempt to shift people into positive thinking. I know you won't follow the thought, but it's being heavily pushed into the people's minds by the WWE which is being watched by millions of people.
And they own the twittersphere.
Really interesting to see the WWE aggressively play the meta. And it's the first time I recall them actually doing it so intensely.
So directly. The manipulation is obvious. I wonder about the future meta of TV shows.
S.O.L. GANKING4GOOD
Give a man fire and he has it warm for a day.
Set a man on fire and he has it warm for the rest of his life.
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Kiandoshia
Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2280
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Posted - 2015.05.20 13:09:18 -
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I didn't read the topic but OP, take a break =p |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
23784
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Posted - 2015.05.20 14:41:48 -
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Anuri Suaraj wrote:Just wanted to comment on people commenting on PvE in EVE.
PvE in EVE is the second worst that I have ever seen in any MMO game ever (the first place holder is World of Warplanes). It's just so scripted, repetitive and lame.
I have tried high sec, low sec, null sec, and wormhole space PvE and found them all to be equally dull.
It's always go there, kill those guys, and take their stuff.
The only factor that ever changes is the strength of the NPCs. I think CCP can do much better. That's PvE in pretty much every multiplayer game ever.
Quote:Another thing that sucks about PvE is that it's confined to specific locations - sites and anomalies.
I don't know about you guys but I, for one, would love to get ambushed by a herd of wild Sansha cruisers that can and will scram my a*s at whatever random location.
The role of wild Sansha cruisers is already fulfilled by other players.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Iroquoiss Pliskin
Hedion University Amarr Empire
658
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Posted - 2015.05.20 15:56:39 -
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Smells like OCD Online.
// Turret-Equivalent of the Rapid ML Concept
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Cruisers Online - [Damage done in PvP by Shiptype]
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
1059
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Posted - 2015.05.20 21:04:48 -
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You should probably just calm down a bit and then try again with the intention to suck less this time around.
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Baaldor
Dixon Cox Butte Preservation Society Black Legion.
346
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Posted - 2015.05.20 21:14:59 -
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Trin Javidan wrote:
Long story short, how could that customer be turned positive again, even if he want to but psychological isn't able to? That is my question.
Professional therapy.
Most negative feelings are associative and not about the root issue.
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13kr1d1
Hedion University Amarr Empire
141
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Posted - 2015.05.22 08:19:21 -
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Well like you said the person is permantnetly turned off so.. Can I have your stuff?
Baaldor wrote:Trin Javidan wrote:
Long story short, how could that customer be turned positive again, even if he want to but psychological isn't able to? That is my question.
Professional therapy. Most negative feelings are associative and not about the root issue.
The root issue is what the feelings are about, not the related issue, which is what you're trying to say.
At 5 drones of T2, the Tristan is nearly as powerful as the Algos, with a cheaper price tag, better maneuverability and speed, and smaller sig radius to avoid the lazy carebearish T3 station blapping -10s who have no life. Pick tristan for FW.
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13kr1d1
Hedion University Amarr Empire
141
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Posted - 2015.05.22 08:26:43 -
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PvE in EVE could be a lot more entertaining.
My feeling is that PvE and PvP shouldn't ever be any different in a game. PvP fits or "gear" shouldn't be swapped out to do PvE. PvE should be tailored to allow people to succeed with the "right" PvP setup. That goes for WoW and EVE as well.
Its so much harder to balance a game when you're trying to control two separate entities like PvE and PvP. Its easy to balance mobs/rats and npcs for PvE though, behind the scenes, in ways which players won't get that much, and in ways which contribute to players learning good PvP fits, and also making them stronger against PvP ganks. At least a fighting chance.
Except that EvE would have to stop being hard counter rock paper scissors, and actually be soft counters. The reason everyone eventually gets bored of EVE is because the game is basically just hard counters. If you fight a kite with a brawl, brawl loses unless kite is short range, then kite loses. There's no wiggle room. Its a game designed for massive scale play due to the limitations of a single player's ship in conjunction with the very hard counter system they have built.
It wasn't intended to be that way when EVE was first designed. It was intended with good honesty to be a pretty rough and tumble PvP world, but as we can see, people simply Dscan and opt not to fight, to dock up, to play dock games, etc, rather than PvP, because they don't have the option of winning any particular fight based on personal skill. Its all tied up in who's ship and fit c
At 5 drones of T2, the Tristan is nearly as powerful as the Algos, with a cheaper price tag, better maneuverability and speed, and smaller sig radius to avoid the lazy carebearish T3 station blapping -10s who have no life. Pick tristan for FW.
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lost packet
GamCorp Almost Broken
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Posted - 2015.05.22 08:47:55 -
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Drink beer, buy a couple of escorts. |
Nicolai Serkanner
Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective
371
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Posted - 2015.05.22 12:00:01 -
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Atomic Virulent wrote: You cannot play this game with a positive mindset and expect or receive ANY level of success.
Hmmm ... there seems to be a large Alliance called BRAVE that is actually exactly doing what you claim is impossible.
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Nicolai Serkanner
Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective
375
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Posted - 2015.05.22 12:03:59 -
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Anuri Suaraj wrote: PvE in EVE is the second worst that I have ever seen in any MMO game ever (the first place holder is World of Warplanes). It's just so scripted, repetitive and lame.
PvE in EvE is the worst I have ever seen in a MMO ... but then again, EvE is the only MMO I ever played.
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Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
492
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Posted - 2015.05.24 11:46:08 -
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The simplest answer is hook up with a different group.
"EVE's game play is..." - it's not about game play anywhere near as much is it is a social setting where you interact with others.
If you are finding yourself fixating on the negative then find a different group to join up with who you will enjoy your R&R time with.
If you are playing solo all the time and hitting this - you are either playing the wrong game or you need to see a shrink. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.05.24 11:50:23 -
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Brave and Goons are / were built upon, "LOL I failed so hard but had fun. LOLOLOL!!1!"
That is one way, celebrating failures.
The way I advocate is build or find a good group of people and the positive experiences will flow naturally.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy Caldari State
247
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Posted - 2015.05.24 23:08:17 -
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Quote: "I would say in this context that you need more and bigger friends to bully the bullies. That is not to say hire someone to do it, but make lots of friends, perhaps even befriend the bullies." "The player would need friends, to help encourage the player to take the steps needed, to overcome their feelings." "if you are playing this game with people (as in friends, which likely be your corpy :p) you'll be enjoying this GAME more" "The simplest answer is hook up with a different group." "find a good group of people"
So, you see, the answer does not lie within yourself, but within your fellow man. You are helpless without them. You must submit yourself to them, to their judgement, to their whim. Give yourself unto others so that they may fix you, you broken little sheep. It will not even cost you everything you have. We'll give you a discount.
But then, if only others have the power to fix you, you might wonder who broke you in the first place and how did they do it? You might even begin to question whether or not you are what is broken and how we even determine something to be broken at all.
Life EVE Online can be so confusing. |
Kaye Kaye
Mining and Trade
10
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Posted - 2015.05.25 00:29:02 -
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The game is only a place holder until a more balanced PVE/PVP game gets released that is in this genre. A game where a gamer can get an equal play experience no matter their play style.
1) Eve is designed to be unfair. 2) Eve is dark and tailored to be negative. 3) CCP promotes bad behavior, and players run with it, in game and on the forums. 4) There is no fixing something that is designed to be the way it is. 5) It's only confusing to those who don't acclimate to it. 6) Eve is a PVP game with PVE as a side line.
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13kr1d1
Hedion University Amarr Empire
144
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Posted - 2015.05.25 01:09:35 -
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Kaye Kaye wrote:The game is only a place holder until a more balanced PVE/PVP game gets released that is in this genre. A game where a gamer can get an equal play experience no matter their play style.
1) Eve is designed to be unfair. 2) Eve is dark and tailored to be negative. 3) CCP promotes bad behavior, and players run with it, in game and on the forums. 4) There is no fixing something that is designed to be the way it is. 5) It's only confusing to those who don't acclimate to it. 6) Eve is a PVP game with PVE as a side line.
pretty much this.
At 5 drones of T2, the Tristan is nearly as powerful as the Algos, with a cheaper price tag, better maneuverability and speed, and smaller sig radius to avoid the lazy carebearish T3 station blapping -10s who have no life. Pick tristan for FW.
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
1043
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Posted - 2015.05.25 08:02:55 -
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Kaye Kaye wrote:The game is only a place holder until a more balanced PVE/PVP game gets released that is in this genre. A game where a gamer can get an equal play experience no matter their play style.
1) Eve is designed to be unfair. 2) Eve is dark and tailored to be negative. 3) CCP promotes bad behavior, and players run with it, in game and on the forums. 4) There is no fixing something that is designed to be the way it is. 5) It's only confusing to those who don't acclimate to it. 6) Eve is a PVP game with PVE as a side line.
Aside from point 3, this is all correct. CCP has strict rules against personal insults, hateful speech, harassment and other forms of "bad behavior" and do enforce them quite rigorously.
CCP set out to make a dark, PvP-centric sandbox where much of the game is designed to be unfair and player freedom is large. Many people enjoy this unique gaming experience, but it is not everyone's cup of tea. I am not sure I would call one of the few MMOs to last and grow for 12 years a "placeholder", so if Eve is not the space-themed MMO for you, there is no shame in playing something else you enjoy more. |
Maxi Dap
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.25 08:34:46 -
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Nicolai Serkanner wrote:Anuri Suaraj wrote: PvE in EVE is the second worst that I have ever seen in any MMO game ever (the first place holder is World of Warplanes). It's just so scripted, repetitive and lame.
PvE in EvE is the worst I have ever seen in a MMO ... but then again, EvE is the only MMO I ever played.
Actually PvE is the best out of many games in EvE. The fact that you can be subject to pvp while you do pve is simply the only variable needed to keep it interesting.
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Sweet Adamas
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2015.05.27 20:18:54 -
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Nevil Oscillator wrote:I keep going because I have faith that small hybrid turret 3 will be even more fun than small hybrid turret 2
Underrated post |
Freya Sertan
Provincia Septim
129
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Posted - 2015.05.27 20:30:12 -
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Nicolai Serkanner wrote:[quote=Atomic Virulent] You cannot play this game with a positive mindset and expect or receive ANY level of success.
Define success and find out that your definition is 180 degrees from someone else's and have your point of view obliterated. I am an extremely positive EvE player and I have untold success.
How? By basing it on what *I* want to do and not what I think others want me to do.
-Trained into a Confessor -Purchased an Ishtar -Solo L4 missions -Made 500m exploring
That's how I succeeded. How will you? |
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13kr1d1
Hedion University Amarr Empire
150
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Posted - 2015.05.29 11:19:40 -
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Freya Sertan wrote:Nicolai Serkanner wrote:[quote=Atomic Virulent] You cannot play this game with a positive mindset and expect or receive ANY level of success. Define success and find out that your definition is 180 degrees from someone else's and have your point of view obliterated. I am an extremely positive EvE player and I have untold success. How? By basing it on what *I* want to do and not what I think others want me to do. -Trained into a Confessor -Purchased an Ishtar -Solo L4 missions -Made 500m exploring That's how I succeeded. How will you?
There's some pretty universal definitions of success. 99% people believe that "certain" people who live at home with parents past X age with no job are "losers". Sure, truth is subjective, and all that, but when a large majority of the population disagrees, there might be something to it, if not the least of which is getting something right. If I choose not to believe that fire burns me, it'd be my truth, but I'd still get burned.
There is currently a billing error with CCP regarding Paypal, which is asking for a credit card and recurring subs, both of which have not been required in the past. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=423499&find=unread
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