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LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.13 22:25:00 - [211] Originally by: Evil Thug Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor MC say that shooting at BoB is useless When you are buying bottle of vodka (for example) do you want seller to complain how bad alcohol is ? Our Health minister would most certainly approve it. We would not ----------------------------------------------- KALdarI WILL SAVE US ALL...
ParMizaN Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.13 22:32:00 - [212] Originally by: Evil Thug Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor MC say that shooting at BoB is useless When you are buying bottle of vodka (for example) do you want seller to complain how bad alcohol is ? What about cigarettes :P
Kyguard Fire Mandrill Astrophobics	Posted - 2006.11.13 22:44:00 - [213] ET puts in one sentence what most people would explain in ten paragraphs === It's great being Amarr, aint it?(tm) [Insert badass sig to match ego here]
Kaleeb Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.14 00:10:00 - [214] Why would we take a contract to shoot ourselves kinda foolish really Originally by: Blacklight Last night was an 'anomoly' for different reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with skill or who were the better pvpers.
Myndpyre Ryche Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.14 00:41:00 - [215] I'm dying to simply post "Show me the money!!!" but I will be good and just ask to see the logs instead. . . . then again, I really wouldn't mind seeing the money too.
Latex Mistress Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.14 00:46:00 - [216] Seleene already addressed this months ago - it's been linked to twice in this very thread. Seems as though the alt brigade either can't read or prefers not to. Either way, to the OP: you're right, the MC are not real mercenaries. When you've learned how to read, please find the merc thread in C&P (I think) and buy yourself some real merc's to destroy BoB with your "unlimited" wallet. Just make sure you do it before Spring, because if you haven't heard BoB is going to quit en masse and play Pirates of the Burning Butthole or some such nonsense. (why I even bother sometimes is quite beyond me...) LM Latex Mistresss: bringing truth to the truculent one post at a time
Xander Magnus Caldari Wolf Enterprises	Posted - 2006.11.14 01:35:00 - [217] Well, this is an interesting discussion, and it comes down to this: An unknown alt posts about MC not accepting his offer, which means that they aren't true mercenaries, because true mercenaries take on every contract... For the love of all that is sane, mercenaries have no loyalty, that's all there is too it! They are only loyal to themselves, and take whatever contract they see fit to take. They're earning ISK aren't they? So appearently they're doing alright in the contract area. They have some nice stations, they can get the capital ships they need for the bigger contracts to make even more money and they have a stable environment to ensure money making in the future. Now why would they throw it all away for ONE stupid contract!? Now if you could make it worth their while they would look into it, THAT's what they mean with the plan. And THAT's your answer, and a very logical one at that. I don't know who made up that rule about true mercenaries, but some romantic idea about it doesn't make it true. Don't whine if they don't take your contract, because I can't imagine ONE lonely EVE-player could have the isk and the plan to make it worth it. If you read through this thread you'll see adult conversation and arguments with in between people simply shouting: You're not real mercenaries, stop saying you need a plan! Why do they need to stop saying that when it's true? And all the answers you need are in here, if you don't like it, go hire someone else. But please don't ask them to burn down their houses and offer nothing but an imaginary bag of gold in return.
War Bear Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.14 01:53:00 - [218] At the end of the day The MC will still get contracts, we'll earn our money and we'll have fun, tin foil hatters be ***ed. I'd like to ask how many merc forces in real life have a navy? How many privately owned carriers are out there these days? Our clients demand big ships delivering big booms and, well, we deliver. Do you think we can operate the way we do living in empire mission running between contracts? In order to step up to the next level we needed a home in 0.0. Anyone who thinks an organization such as this can operate without real 0.0 access is a loon. To date there is no other merc group that can compete with The MC's capital operations. Our clients know this and are happy to fork over the isk. If the client is happy and we get paid ... well that's just a good day and another fu to the tin foil hat haters squadron. Puts a smile on my face every time. No matter where you go, there you are.*
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.14 02:37:00 - [219] This particular discussion is like an unprovoked at attack against a horse that is already dead. But I will stick to my opinion and say that MC will never take a contract against BOB, regardless of how good the plan is, how much money is offered and how free their schedule is. [ER Public Relations Officer] [Is main activated, check, Post!]
FowlPlayChiken Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.14 02:46:00 - [220] people want to see mc fight bob, is what it comes down to. people believe we are both uber, and that it would be a sort of glorious battle. it could not be. Mc are shocktroops, as has been said. we are few in number. Bob is a pvp powerhouse, vast. MC alone simply can not kill bob. come to me with half a dozen good alliances with a good plan to kill BOB and the money to hire us,and we can seriously discuss a contract. until then; good day, sir! bawk!!! Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler
Jirad TiSalver Caldari KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.11.14 03:09:00 - [221] Dude just save your money and remember: Everything that has a beginning, has an end.
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.14 03:14:00 - [222] Can't believe this is still going. MC ARE real mercenaries? You know why? It's because we do work that's profitable. See, back in the day, we Amarrians used to have slaves. Now we're reformed and we pay our slaves but they still have to do what we tell them to. Now mercenaries are free people. We just make the choice at times to attend to other people's goals for ISK. But if we don't think something will be profitable to us, we reserve the right to not accept a contract. Or maybe we just don't like the contract. It might be boring. You know, Seleene starting to test her guns on her own corpmates out of boredom has probably caused more to BDCI than all of our contract losses together. mourns Drax' Vagabond So yes, we are true bastards, we are smart mercs. If we don't like the contract you will be respectfully told to take your ISK elsewhere. If we think we cannot pull something off, we will tell you to take your ISK elsewhere or to adjust your goals, etc. Actually, we might need to start charges for strategic consultancy... I smell a business opportunity... - - One ship to jam them all, one ship to damp them. One ship to suck them dry and in the dark void gank them.
Farrellus Cameron Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.14 03:36:00 - [223] Edited by: Farrellus Cameron on 14/11/2006 03:38:01 Man, people really smoke a lot of cheap drugs (EDIT: they wouldn't let me say the drug I wanted to say) around here. They love to make up rules, act like they are God's decree, and then yell at other people for not following them. I don't feel like reading the 8 pages on this post so I am just going to repeat what has probably already been said. Since when have mercenaries been required to take any contract as long as it paid? That's like saying you could hire the A-Team to assassinate the President. Where do people come up with this stuff? I guess it's a common misconception that mercs only care about money, but I think it's one of the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. There are dozens of considerations that could come into play regarding whether a merc corp would accept a contract. Not only tactical concerns but moral concerns. I know plenty of mercs that have codes of conduct and are very honorable.
Rift Scorn Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.14 03:36:00 - [224] Edited by: Rift Scorn on 14/11/2006 03:36:18 ... Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03
Ben Derindar Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.11.14 05:12:00 - [225] Even if one was to assume for a moment that the OP is telling the truth, the fact that he went crying to the forums about it only validates the MC's decision to say no. As is their right. /Ben How to fix Eve
Trina Tron Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.14 06:30:00 - [226] Edited by: Trina Tron on 14/11/2006 06:30:17 I offered dri 1 isk to get me some pie! He said NO WAY. What I want to know is why dose my ceo love pie so much that he wont let me eat it. Why wont he accept my 1 isk to get me my pie he must love pie so much he'd do whatever pie says. This is totally not neutral so mc is not neutral and thus not real space mercenaries because real space mercenaries would get me pie for 1 isk. ----------------------------------- Originally by: Santiago Cortes Locked Begging is not allowed or appreciated on the forums. Whining remains perfectly acceptable.
Tomas Ysidro Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.14 06:45:00 - [227] I for one welcome my pie-hoarding overlord.
Skelator Stronghold corp Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.14 07:01:00 - [228] Originally by: Chrony Edited by: Chrony on 13/11/2006 11:10:14 Im very sure that MC would accept a contract against us for the right price, and I would probably love to fight them. The problem is that you have to present them a plan. YES you actually have to think about what you want them to do and not just tell them to shoot someone. Considering that such a contract would put their outposts in Period Basis in danger it would have to be a good plan too. PS: BUT I wouldnt accept a contract from an alt character either. No Offense Flameage or anything of the sort But.. You claim MC need to know the entire plan right? Whats to stop MC (who have NEVER accepted a contract against BOB EVER) from taking all the Plans and Objectives,The involved parties,The Dates,The times and places and saying No thanks. Then running to laugh with their BOB Allies as they Offer their Rejected Contractors plans laid out bare for all BOB to see and plan against in the Future???. TBH I wouldnt give Any Merc corp my entire Game Plan as it would be too Easy for them to deny me then sell/give them to my enemies. Just Common Sense.
Bizarre TAOSP	Posted - 2006.11.14 07:01:00 - [229] So I'm guessing Aneu is still at work? --------------------
Nyk0n Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.11.14 07:47:00 - [230] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: maGz Edited by: maGz on 13/11/2006 11:41:45 Originally by: Max Teranous 4) We require a plan. "Kill BoB" is not a plan. Surely MC have been hired before "just" to kill as many as possible. What makes BoB any different? I see this excuse being used every single time someone ask why MC haven't fought BoB, yet it still rings immensely bad in my ears as a bad excuse EDIT: Added for effect How many other alliances that they took a contract on to "just kill people" would go take all four of their outposts within the first week of the contract and put a large tower on every moon in those systems just for the hell of it? I'm not saying we would do that, but we are sure as hell in a position to. LoL Blacklight, so what your saying is they are under the thumb and know there place? Sometimes the truth hurts.......... Dosnt stop it being true
Brother Agenos CAPITAL TRUST FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.14 08:41:00 - [231] Tinfoin Hattage 4 everyone! This thread takes it.. really.. do you ppl seriously have nothing better to do than to come to theese forums and post some insane things like that. MC afraid of the BoB.. LMAO. ppl really need to drop all this forum wars and start thinking of a solutions how to stop logoff loosers. Everyone would benefit from that. Theese 8 pages have wasted 15 minutes of my life and i blame the ASCN alt!
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.14 08:49:00 - [232] At the next FanFest, I'm going to ask Kieron to organize a "Player Panel" after the "Dev Panel". Or maybe before. Then we can put 5-10 people like myself, Molle, Chowdown, LD and a few others up there for the community to grill. As people approach the mic, there will be a little silver hat waiting on you. Loxy, Crovan and many others have all given excellent responses. I even logged in as my BoB alt earlier to reply as him. Oh, and I've yet to see this "unlimited wallet". Seriously, folks... eight pages? God, I love this game. - Movie: 9UY - Got Fighters?
Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.14 08:55:00 - [233] Originally by: Skelator Originally by: Chrony Edited by: Chrony on 13/11/2006 11:10:14 Im very sure that MC would accept a contract against us for the right price, and I would probably love to fight them. The problem is that you have to present them a plan. YES you actually have to think about what you want them to do and not just tell them to shoot someone. Considering that such a contract would put their outposts in Period Basis in danger it would have to be a good plan too. PS: BUT I wouldnt accept a contract from an alt character either. No Offense Flameage or anything of the sort But.. You claim MC need to know the entire plan right? Whats to stop MC (who have NEVER accepted a contract against BOB EVER) from taking all the Plans and Objectives,The involved parties,The Dates,The times and places and saying No thanks. Then running to laugh with their BOB Allies as they Offer their Rejected Contractors plans laid out bare for all BOB to see and plan against in the Future???. TBH I wouldnt give Any Merc corp my entire Game Plan as it would be too Easy for them to deny me then sell/give them to my enemies. Just Common Sense. Erm maybe because mercs who don't hold client or potential client confidentiality might as well disband the corp/alliance at that very point. What we do operates on a lot of trust, after all you will hand mercs money to go go do a task, if you can't bring yourself to trust a merc to even keep confidence with you how could you even trust them to perform the alloted task? As for why would the MC need a plan for fighting BoB well come on think it through. At the end of the contract BoB would have to be in a position where they could never take MCs land in 0.0. Therefore the only scenario that is viable to accept a contract against BoB would be where they are facing a determined and dedicated force who is going to occupy their space. No such force or plan exists in the game so far, note that BoB is fighting ASCN and the other big alliances seem to be washing their hair rather than make a land grab vs BoB. Why does the MC need 0.0, income and manufacturing, you think those Cap ships come from trees? Not too hard to fathom out really is it.
Skelator Stronghold corp Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.14 09:10:00 - [234] Originally by: Hans Roaming Originally by: Skelator Originally by: Chrony Edited by: Chrony on 13/11/2006 11:10:14 Im very sure that MC would accept a contract against us for the right price, and I would probably love to fight them. The problem is that you have to present them a plan. YES you actually have to think about what you want them to do and not just tell them to shoot someone. Considering that such a contract would put their outposts in Period Basis in danger it would have to be a good plan too. PS: BUT I wouldnt accept a contract from an alt character either. No Offense Flameage or anything of the sort But.. You claim MC need to know the entire plan right? Whats to stop MC (who have NEVER accepted a contract against BOB EVER) from taking all the Plans and Objectives,The involved parties,The Dates,The times and places and saying No thanks. Then running to laugh with their BOB Allies as they Offer their Rejected Contractors plans laid out bare for all BOB to see and plan against in the Future???. TBH I wouldnt give Any Merc corp my entire Game Plan as it would be too Easy for them to deny me then sell/give them to my enemies. Just Common Sense. Erm maybe because mercs who don't hold client or potential client confidentiality might as well disband the corp/alliance at that very point. What we do operates on a lot of trust, after all you will hand mercs money to go go do a task, if you can't bring yourself to trust a merc to even keep confidence with you how could you even trust them to perform the alloted task? As for why would the MC need a plan for fighting BoB well come on think it through. At the end of the contract BoB would have to be in a position where they could never take MCs land in 0.0. Therefore the only scenario that is viable to accept a contract against BoB would be where they are facing a determined and dedicated force who is going to occupy their space. No such force or plan exists in the game so far, note that BoB is fighting ASCN and the other big alliances seem to be washing their hair rather than make a land grab vs BoB. Why does the MC need 0.0, income and manufacturing, you think those Cap ships come from trees? Not too hard to fathom out really is it. BRAVO!!! Excellent Answer Although I do believe MC could at Least hold their own against BOB seeing as both sides have the same calibur of veteran fighters. Your answer was really Informative I Salute you.
Latex Mistress Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.14 09:15:00 - [235] Edited by: Latex Mistress on 14/11/2006 09:18:01 Originally by: Skelator BRAVO!!! Excellent Answer Although I do believe MC could at Least hold their own against BOB seeing as both sides have the same calibur of veteran fighters. Your answer was really Informative I Salute you. Thanks for the kind words, but I'm not so sure about the "hold their own". Fact is, our entire alliance is smaller than one really good-sized BoB blob, and I don't think any alliance over 100 people has seen 100% participation (RL and TZ and all). Pride and Prejudice aside, we just couldn't sustain the fight long term. What people tend not to get is that, we're a 1~2 week player. We make the impact required then we leave. A fight w/ BoB wouldn't be a week or two, it'd be months of constant bombardments and a shed-load of ships being lost on both sides. MC isn't cut out for such a war. Not a slag against us, just that we see where it would go. Again, thanks for the kind words! [EDIT] Change "1/2" to "1~2" LM Latex Mistresss: bringing truth to the truculent one post at a time
Luna Liandri PPN United	Posted - 2006.11.14 09:43:00 - [236] true mercs have to take every contract ? on any target ? true mercs have be totally independent ? and can have no other obligations and relationships ? true mercs are here to save the world of evil BoB ? sorry this is silly, we have some confuion here with the league of the superheros ... i would like other entities to have the same feeling for in-game fun as MC obviously has - i sense too much paranoia in here. sidenote: as a real question i sometimes wondered that MC dont live in NPC-0.0 - but i guess some need for OP/POS-LEGO is in every man (at least in /me sometimes).
Lo3d3R Implant Liberation Front Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.14 09:58:00 - [237] Edited by: Lo3d3R on 14/11/2006 09:59:32 so the MC is bought and are now BOB minions, SirMolle has listened to my advice, very good. ___________________ Eating Chopped Bear:
OzaLoni Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.14 10:52:00 - [238] We are here, in ASCN space, feel free to drop by and say hello and please stop trying to get others to do the work you obviously are not capable of doing yourself. Otherwise why ask them in the first place right? I have lots of respect for the MC, but do you really think they are gonna risk their newly created stations for anything less than the cost of 8 stations? (4 to cover what is lost and 4 for 4 new stations! - in case people can't add up) Either way, have fun trying to get some merc corp to do your dirty work...
Rebellion Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.14 12:02:00 - [239] Edited by: Rebellion on 14/11/2006 12:22:23 Here's a suggested template that anyone can use to get MC to attack BoB, or anyone in the game. Quote: Hi! MC! I send you this letter to get your advise. I am Prince of Amarr and my deceased father left me a fortune in refined Megacyte. I want to help me gain my inheritance by your assistance through bank account. Please send me your bank account to help me. The plan is: 1. I pay you money to attack to the BoB 2. You attack to the BoB by way of attack. 3. ----- 4. PROFIT! Just fill out #3 and I'm sure MC will attack anyone for you. Rebellion-Shere
King Fury Caldari New Justice	Posted - 2006.11.14 12:27:00 - [240] In short MC will not attack BoB. Even if someone covered the costs of 4-8 outposts + profits, I doubt MC could be trusted given there relationship with BoB. It would seem foolish to give away all that isk just to attack BoB and you deserve to get stung if you are that naive. A fool and there money are easily parted. I dont mean to slur MC's good name but they could keep the isk and theres not a lot anyone could do about it as they can handle themselves and they have some pretty mean allies )

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