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Volyte
Lion's Emporium
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Posted - 2006.11.13 16:27:00 -
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Edited by: Volyte on 13/11/2006 16:35:36 So, I was browsing www.mmorpg.com when I came across a game called Infinity. Is this game going to compete with EVE?
http://www.fl-tw.com/Infinity/
Discuss ;]
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Araxmas
Caldari Imperial Space Corporation
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Posted - 2006.11.13 16:48:00 -
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Edited by: Araxmas on 13/11/2006 16:51:01 Edited by: Araxmas on 13/11/2006 16:48:30 Looks a bit bad on the graphics side, but gameplay is what matters so don't know.
EDIT: must add that i love the background space effects on some pictures though, especially earth rise. --------
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Mr Ninjaface
Minmatar Shurekin INC
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Posted - 2006.11.13 17:01:00 -
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graphics look like crap, totally stole capsule/pod from eve they call it a capsule pod you cant pod people and you cant really die as far as I can tell. Plus its all twitch and jerk based. I see no mention of production or industry. oh and the ships really look like crap. MY thoughts on Kali |
Donna Darko
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Posted - 2006.11.13 17:03:00 -
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Edited by: Donna Darko on 13/11/2006 17:07:17 The pictures are nice, but I fear that quality will most likely come with a huge computing need (CPU and GPU). Which in turn kinda makes you wonder what will happen when you have more than 1 ship on screen.
Also, this kinda made me go "Yeah, OK":
Originally by: Infinity Infinity is a massively multiplayer online game set in a futuristic persistent universe. Players can discover a huge galaxy with billions of planets and can explore, fight, trade, socialize.. the possibilities are endless!
Combine the words billions with the quality of the pictures and I forsee 5 DVDs to install the **** game (unless they have only a few pictures repeated for all the planets). God forbid I think of a graphics update patch.
Then I looked at the Features page, and understood the "billions of planets" comment and also saw it's going to be a "shoot'em up". Did anyone play Neocron? If you lag, you will never hit anything.
*edit* What the hell do you mean graphics are bad? Are we looking at the same screenshots? Admittedly ships don't look all that hot, but then we look at EVE sometimes and... Stories. |
Mr Ninjaface
Minmatar Shurekin INC
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Posted - 2006.11.13 17:23:00 -
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all the ships look plastic texture less things, even the ground on the planets lack texture. MY thoughts on Kali |
Jongo Fett
Caldari Imperial Space Corporation
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Posted - 2006.11.13 18:23:00 -
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i played the combat trial of this, tbh its not that good at all. The graphics are quite good but the gameplay is lacking.
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Jeryko
Gallente FireStar Inc Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.13 18:57:00 -
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afaik, the game is still in prototype/alpha/dev. So do bash it until it's done.
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Dee Ellis
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Posted - 2006.11.13 19:21:00 -
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Way to big to be interesting.
Billions of worlds? There are only so many players, and EvE is big enough as it is..
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Juwi Kotch
Gallente VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD
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Posted - 2006.11.13 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Jeryko afaik, the game is still in prototype/alpha/dev. So do bash it until it's done.
Exactly. And concepts/projects like this keep CCP awake. Their might not be truly competition, but probably good ideas. And some indication what the audience might like.
Juwi Kotch
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Redart
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.13 23:57:00 -
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Edited by: Redart on 13/11/2006 23:57:27
Ummmm... No.
1. Those are not "Screenshots" they are renders. The engine isn't even close to being done.
2. Last time I looked into the game, it was being produced by a SINGLE person.
"The game is currently in early development, and no playable version has been released yet. Estimated time before first playable release: 1 to 2 years (in best case)."
That's what it said 2yrs ago. Nothing on the site is changed since.
My Prediction: There will never be an Infinity Online. --------
Gorgeous Gamers
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Caleb Paine
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.14 00:00:00 -
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Originally by: Redart Edited by: Redart on 13/11/2006 23:57:27
Ummmm... No.
1. Those are not "Screenshots" they are renders. The engine isn't even close to being done.
2. Last time I looked into the game, it was being produced by a SINGLE person.
"The game is currently in early development, and no playable version has been released yet. Estimated time before first playable release: 1 to 2 years (in best case)."
That's what it said 2yrs ago. Nothing on the site is changed since.
My Prediction: There will never be an Infinity Online.
/agrees
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Benglada
Finite Horizon The Red Skull
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Posted - 2006.11.14 02:49:00 -
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err last time i looked they had a combat prototype (Playable).... so dont say "those are just renders, its nowhere near playable" ---------------------------
Originally by: Arkanor
0.0 is the Final Frontier. Bring money and friends.
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Redart
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.14 03:13:00 -
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Originally by: Benglada err last time i looked they had a combat prototype (Playable).... so dont say "those are just renders, its nowhere near playable"
Ok, they may have a playable engine. But still, a MMORPG is a MASSIVE project to take on. I know, I've been on 2 MMORPG projects, one with 2 people (2d) and another with more and both collapsed after we realized the shear wall of work we were looking at after the engine was complete. --------
Gorgeous Gamers
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Benglada
Finite Horizon The Red Skull
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Posted - 2006.11.14 03:55:00 -
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Originally by: Redart
Originally by: Benglada err last time i looked they had a combat prototype (Playable).... so dont say "those are just renders, its nowhere near playable"
Ok, they may have a playable engine. But still, a MMORPG is a MASSIVE project to take on. I know, I've been on 2 MMORPG projects, one with 2 people (2d) and another with more and both collapsed after we realized the shear wall of work we were looking at after the engine was complete.
Im not dis agreeing with you, i believe the chances of it making it to a full scale mmo is small, im just dis proving those who say there has been no playable engine. ---------------------------
Originally by: Arkanor
0.0 is the Final Frontier. Bring money and friends.
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Cpt Winky
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Posted - 2006.11.14 08:41:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Winky on 14/11/2006 08:47:26 Edited by: Cpt Winky on 14/11/2006 08:43:24
Originally by: Mr Ninjaface graphics look like crap, totally stole capsule/pod from eve they call it a capsule pod you cant pod people and you cant really die as far as I can tell. Plus its all twitch and jerk based.
Because EVE totally originated the concept of an escape pod . Who cares about death anyway? Its not like you actually die in any mmo made. In EVE you just get sent to a station and have to buy a new ship. Maybe lose some implants if you happened to have some. Heck, i use podding to jump around occasionaly.
And twitch is a bad thing? It would be so awesome to actually fly your ship rather than be flown by it.
Originally by: Donna Darko Combine the words billions with the quality of the pictures and I forsee 5 DVDs to install the **** game (unless they have only a few pictures repeated for all the planets). God forbid I think of a graphics update patch. [/quote
All the planets are procedurally generated, which makes sense, considering the number of systems. The Elite games used procedural engines to create millions of planets, though they didnt look nearly so good as these. Of course, with procedural you run the danger of everything looking rather generic after a while(the programmer actually admits that), but then, i cant think of many planets in EVE that aren't pretty generic looking.
Originally by: Jongo Fett i played the combat trial of this, tbh its not that good at all. The graphics are quite good but the gameplay is lacking.
The prototype, which all the devs love repeating, and is displayed on the splash screen when you start it, is just a testbed to test out combat mechanics and networking and such. Its not there for gameplay. Still, while it lacked depth, it was fun for a couple hours.
Originally by: Redart
Ummmm... No.
1. Those are not "Screenshots" they are renders. The engine isn't even close to being done.
2. Last time I looked into the game, it was being produced by a SINGLE person.
"The game is currently in early development, and no playable version has been released yet. Estimated time before first playable release: 1 to 2 years (in best case)."
That's what it said 2yrs ago. Nothing on the site is changed since.
1. while many of the screenshots are renders, a good many are not. Every shot of a planet is realtime, as is every video.
Not a render Also not a render Also not a render
2. The single person has had a team of developers for a long time. And the website has only been up for a bit over a year, not two.
I'm not saying dont have doubts.. you'd be stupid not too. Its an ambitious project, and they very well may not succeed.
But I hope they do. :)
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4rc4ng3L
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2006.11.14 09:59:00 -
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Well those screenshots(renders) look nice... Il happily give this game a go, could turn out to be quite good
Death is the only true freedom, brought on by our own ignorance.... Welcome to the "free" world in which we live... |
Sales Merchant
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Posted - 2006.11.14 10:35:00 -
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A rival for Eve can only be a good thing from a player point of view. Both companies will fight it out content wise in order to keep/get more subscribers. You only realise how valuable your subscribers are when someone else wants to take them.
But its early days yet, people have been quick to knock its graphics but its game play could completely blow eve out the water....
...Then again it could also be a complete flop.
Time will tell.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.14 12:29:00 -
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People knocking the graphics is interesting, the gameplay may or may not be crap, and it may or may not ever come out as a real game, but the graphics engine already wins life.
Eve Gameplay + Infinity's seamless procedurally generated planets = Win
If the game never gets finished I'd pay money for the incomplete engine if it simply let me fly around that seamless world like in the videos. Blew me away. We'll be lucky if Eve ever does celestial bodies that well. ----------
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Waragha
Art of War
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Posted - 2006.11.14 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: Redart Edited by: Redart on 13/11/2006 23:57:27
Ummmm... No.
1. Those are not "Screenshots" they are renders. The engine isn't even close to being done.
2. Last time I looked into the game, it was being produced by a SINGLE person.
"The game is currently in early development, and no playable version has been released yet. Estimated time before first playable release: 1 to 2 years (in best case)."
That's what it said 2yrs ago. Nothing on the site is changed since.
My Prediction: There will never be an Infinity Online.
Yup, forget about it seriously.
Originally by: Trepkos
The only difference between GS and NPC's are that GS respawn quicker.
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Ikvar
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.14 13:00:00 -
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Looks like vapourware to me too.
Originally by: Rekindle I was in an empire system when they used their grief tactics to explode everything I own.
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Galk
Gallente Autumn Tactics
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Posted - 2006.11.14 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: Ikvar Looks like vapourware to me too.
Not in the slightest, i know several ex eve players actively working on the project.
There's a loooong way to go yet ______
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Mallick
Northern Intelligence SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.14 13:54:00 -
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I played the combat simulator. It was good enough, but something was lacking, more depth is needed.
And as for needing 5 DVD's to install? Hardly. The Infinity engine is very special and flexible. Everything is generated by the CPU and not really stored as in normal games. What is stored is the binary info that is required to generate correct results. Support POS Overhaul - Read it NOW! |
wierchas noobhunter
Caldari Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.14 14:10:00 -
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my friend is one of this game creators so i am sure that this game gona be perfect
♥ Exekias |
RoboTronic
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Posted - 2006.11.14 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Araxmas Edited by: Araxmas on 13/11/2006 16:51:01 Edited by: Araxmas on 13/11/2006 16:48:30 Looks a bit bad on the graphics side, but gameplay is what matters so don't know.
EDIT: must add that i love the background space effects on some pictures though, especially earth rise.
What side of the graphics looks bad? Planets? Nebulae? Models? The models look good but we need more texture people.
Originally by: Donna Darko Edited by: Donna Darko on 13/11/2006 17:07:17 The pictures are nice, but I fear that quality will most likely come with a huge computing need (CPU and GPU). Which in turn kinda makes you wonder what will happen when you have more than 1 ship on screen.
Also, this kinda made me go "Yeah, OK":
Originally by: Infinity Infinity is a massively multiplayer online game set in a futuristic persistent universe. Players can discover a huge galaxy with billions of planets and can explore, fight, trade, socialize.. the possibilities are endless!
Combine the words billions with the quality of the pictures and I forsee 5 DVDs to install the **** game (unless they have only a few pictures repeated for all the planets). God forbid I think of a graphics update patch.
Then I looked at the Features page, and understood the "billions of planets" comment and also saw it's going to be a "shoot'em up". Did anyone play Neocron? If you lag, you will never hit anything.
*edit* What the hell do you mean graphics are bad? Are we looking at the same screenshots? Admittedly ships don't look all that hot, but then we look at EVE sometimes and...
I had 8 highpoly capital ships and 12 smaller craft and a lot of lasers on screen and it still ran smooth on my crappy outdated pc. It runs so much better than EVE.
The universe is procedurally generated. Everything is defined with just a small string and then the generator spits out a unique planet/nebula/city.
During the combat proto tests with around 20 people. I never really had a problem with lag.
Originally by: Redart Edited by: Redart on 13/11/2006 23:57:27
Ummmm... No.
1. Those are not "Screenshots" they are renders. The engine isn't even close to being done.
2. Last time I looked into the game, it was being produced by a SINGLE person.
"The game is currently in early development, and no playable version has been released yet. Estimated time before first playable release: 1 to 2 years (in best case)."
That's what it said 2yrs ago. Nothing on the site is changed since.
My Prediction: There will never be an Infinity Online.
There is a screenshot thread on the general forums showing the new combat prototype.
Flavien is the main guy, but there are quite a few people contributing models, textures and music.
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Volyte
Lion's Emporium
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Posted - 2006.11.14 15:02:00 -
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Some of the comments posted here are very interesting. Honestly, I don't know if I want any competition to EVE. If CCP can get EVE working like it used to performance wise, it has everything I could want in a game. As other have said, though, time will tell. If this game does in fact release, and its got better gameplay...maybe I'll give it a go. Keep the comments coming
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Redart
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.14 16:47:00 -
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Edited by: Redart on 14/11/2006 16:54:15
Originally by: RoboTronic
Flavien is the main guy, but there are quite a few people contributing models, textures and music.
Exactly why this game will never be finished. You need a TEAM of programmers. You can create 90% of the game with 1 ship model, 1 space station model, and 1 planet.
On the 2D game I talked about working on, we had 1 character, 1 tree, 1 grass, 4 walls and a door. Graphics were the last thing on our minds when we looked up at that verticle wall that we would have to climb to finish the game.
Then you got a problem of money. You need lots and lots and lots of money to even get a MMO off the ground, excpecially a Space MMO. Let alone a shooter. What's the money for? Lots and lots and lots of Servers. Because, even though the client itself is doing alot of the work, the processors on the servers are going nuts sending out all the tiny little things to each one of the players, synching them and all that.
To successfully launch an MMO you're going to need about $20,000-50,000
And if it's even going to par up with EVE, it's going to need alot more than that. EVE has the most powerful game server in the world, it's actually the most powerful non-nuclear/non-military computer in the world. Nobody eve comes close to the server cluster EVE runs on. EVE STILL lags. And they don't even have to worry about split second lags that may cause death, that a shooter will. --------
Gorgeous Gamers
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Hllaxiu
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.11.14 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Ninjaface graphics look like crap, totally stole capsule/pod from eve
Because NASA doesn't use capsules and B-1s don't use escape pods... --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson |
Brolly
Caldari The Department of Justice
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Posted - 2006.11.15 01:54:00 -
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Naaah, no competition per se, I think eve and infinity are going for different angles and the combat prototype is 'crap' because it's a prototype
When infinity finally comes into the world, eve will (hopefully) be far beyond what it is now. Also, infinity has a corkpit view whereas eve will (probably) always be a 3rd person kinda game as well as a ton of other differenceses.
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