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Draahk Chimera
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.05.23 16:43:26 -
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Well, Fozzie wanted to make one and I have been working on one in my head for a while. Check it out and see what you think.
Ore Strategic Industrial bonuses: 5% reduction in module heat damage amount taken per level
Industrial Subsystems
Proletariat Industrial - Exhumation Matrix 3 Highslots 5% bonus to Strip Miner and Ice Harvester range per level 6% reduction in Strip Miner and Ice Harvester duration per level
Proletariat Industrial - Covert Configuration 3 Highslots 7.5% bonus to Mining yield per level 5% reduction in Gas Cloud Harvesting duration per level Role Bonus: 100% bonus to Mining and Gas Cloud Harvesting yield 100% reduction in Cloaking Devices CPU requirement 50% reduction to ship cargo capacity GÇó Can fit Covert Ops Cloaking Device and Covert Cynosural Field Generator GÇó Cloak reactivation delay reduced to 5 seconds
Proletariat Industrial - Salvage rescue systems 5 Highslots 5% reduction in Salvager duration per level
Proletariat Industrial - Foreman Processor 3 Highslots + 1 Medslot 2% bonus to Mining Foreman Links effectiveness per level Role Bonus: GÇó Can use 3 Warfare Link modules simultaneously
Cargo Subsystems
Proletariat Cargo - Ore Transports 1 Medslot + 2 Lowslot Cargo Capacity 550 + Ore Capacity 40,000 10% bonus to ship ore hold capacity per level
Proletariat Cargo - Planetary Resources Transports 1 Medslot + 2 Lowslot Cargo Capacity 550 + Planetary Commodity Capacity 40,000 10% bonus to ship planetary commodity hold capacity per level
Proletariat Cargo - Ship Transports 1 Medslot + 2 Lowslot Cargo Capacity 550 + Ship Maintenance Bay Capacity 1,000,000
Proletariat Cargo - Danger zone transports 4 Medslot + 2 Lowslot Cargo Capacity 5000 + Fleet Hangar Capacity 45,000 5% bonus to fleet hangar capacity per level 4% bonus to all shield resistances per level
Propulsion Subsystems
Proletariat Propulsion - Cargo Storage Optimization 2 Lowslot 2% bonus to ship cargo capacity per level Role Bonus: 25% reduction to ship max velocity
Proletariat Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst 1 Medslot + 1 Lowslot 10% bonus to afterburner speed per level
Proletariat Propulsion - Chassis Optimization 2 Lowslot 5% bonus to max velocity per level
Proletariat Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier 5% increased agility per level Role Bonus: Immunity to non-targeted interdiction
Engineering Subsystems
Proletariat Engineering - Superior heat injection 3 Lowslots 17.5% bonus to the benefits of overheating Afterburners, Microwarpdrives, Local Repair Modules and Resistance Modules per level
Proletariat Engineering - Supplemental Coolant Injector 3 Lowslots 5% Reduction in the amount of heat damage absorbed by modules per level
Proletariat Engineering- Capacitor Regeneration Matrix 3 Lowslots 5% reduction in capacitor recharge rate per level
Proletariat Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir 3 Lowslots 5% bonus to capacitor capacity per level
Electronic Subsystems
Proletariat Electronic - Tractor Efficiency Crystals 3 Highslots 5% reduction in Tractor Beam duration per level 60% bonus to Tractor Beam range and velocity per level
Proletariat Electronic - Tactical Surveys 1 Highslot 1 Medslot 100% bonus to Survey Scanner range per level
Proletariat Electronic - Minimalist Sensor Radiant 1 Lowslot 5% reduction in signature radius per level
Proletariat Electronic - Emergent Locus 1 Highslot + 2 Medslot 10% increase to scan strength of probes per level Role Bonus: +10 bonus to Relic and Data Analyzer virus strength
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Deep Nine
The Bank of Prometheus
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Posted - 2015.05.23 16:45:21 -
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Absolutely. |
Daoden
The Scope Gallente Federation
101
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Posted - 2015.05.23 16:48:22 -
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So every time I kill a miner I also get the satisfaction of knowing I took away some SP from him as well, sweet. |
Ansharah Opium
The Opium Sisters
2
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Posted - 2015.05.23 16:52:10 -
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would it be able to move in these modes? |
Kiddoomer
ScrewWork Inc.
45
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Posted - 2015.05.23 17:01:32 -
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How many strip miners this ship could have ? By reading the 5 subsystem category I see 4 highslot, isn't that a little too much with the +40k ore hold ? it's seem better than any exhumer at first sight, and that's without the other things like better agility and overheat bonus for tank, but I see that this configuration would give 1 or 2 midslot only.
Seems very cool for the rest, I would fly in this ship all day long.
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James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
727
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Posted - 2015.05.23 18:15:27 -
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So to get this straight, this layout:
Proletariat Industrial - Exhumation Matrix 3 Highslots 5% bonus to Strip Miner and Ice Harvester range per level 6% reduction in Strip Miner and Ice Harvester duration per level
Proletariat Cargo - Ore Transports 1 Medslot + 2 Lowslot Cargo Capacity 550 + Ore Capacity 40,000 10% bonus to ship ore hold capacity per level
Proletariat Propulsion - Cargo Storage Optimization 2 Lowslot 2% bonus to ship cargo capacity per level Role Bonus: 25% reduction to ship max velocity
Proletariat Engineering - Superior heat injection 3 Lowslots 17.5% bonus to the benefits of overheating Afterburners, Microwarpdrives, Local Repair Modules and Resistance Modules per level
Proletariat Electronic - Tractor Efficiency Crystals 3 Highslots 5% reduction in Tractor Beam duration per level 60% bonus to Tractor Beam range and velocity per level
Gives a lovely slot layout of 6/1/7, for a maximum effective strip miner total of almost 8 (7.8) before links, less need to move and enough lows to fit 6 or 7 mining laser upgrades if the fitting space isn't carefully considered, with a 60k m3 orehold? Wowza, that totally doesn't obsolete the hulk for mining where it is safe.
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Samillian
Angry Mustellid The Periphery
805
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Posted - 2015.05.23 18:59:58 -
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So you want to obsolete all T1 and T2 industrials, mining barges, Exhumers and the Noctis with a single hull. Can't see it happening.
Not supported.
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Draahk Chimera
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
50
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Posted - 2015.05.23 19:10:34 -
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James Baboli : Yes you are correct. I missed that one. "The one" being the tractor sub with the mining sub. The "noctis" combination needs to go back to the drawing board it seems.
Samillian : Yeah... the way Strategic Cruisers made all T1 and T2 cruisers and battlecruisers obsolete. You have of course red the OP very carefully and noted how all the subs individually have smaller bonuses than the barges and indys they are based upon?
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Samillian
Angry Mustellid The Periphery
805
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Posted - 2015.05.23 19:33:45 -
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The sum of the parts is greater than the whole.
Which is the main problem with the subsystem model.
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Mr Thicke
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2015.05.23 20:07:40 -
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Samillian wrote:The sum of the parts is greater than the whole.
Which is the main problem with the subsystem model.
Do you have an improvement to suggest? |
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Kiddoomer
ScrewWork Inc.
46
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Posted - 2015.05.23 20:14:23 -
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Maybe a option would be to reduce the total number of low slot given in any configuration by 2 or 3, we can easily have too many of them in a bunch of configuration, reduce the ore hold to 25k + bonus per skill, and limit the number of strip miners to 2 or 3. For the rest I can't really tell, maybe 1 or 2 midslot added for the active shield one and propulsion bonused one ?
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
2458
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Posted - 2015.05.23 21:21:49 -
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Draahk Chimera wrote:3 Highslots 5% bonus to Strip Miner and Ice Harvester range per level 6% reduction in Strip Miner and Ice Harvester duration per level Same yield as a Hulk!?
Go back to square one.
No, really. Delete your whole post and start over.
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James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
729
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Posted - 2015.05.23 22:01:24 -
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So, the way to make such a ship workable is to limit the subsystem types a bit.
Anything which needs or uses highs goes in the role system. Engineering specs and electronics determine entirely the number of mids Utility and propulsion give lows.
Now you can have a noctis like configuration without the large number of highs this yields unbalancing any mining subsystem. Your cargo configurations don't get excessive lows through an electronics system. Etc.
In any single area, the subsystem bonus and slots should not exceed about 90% of the ability of any of the ships it is competing with, due to now being forced into doing at least 2 things at once for it's value. Super mackinaw would need to have similar but slightly lower yield to a mackinaw, and some other thing that a mackinaw lacks to make it a valid choice. Ditto a noctis-like configuration, or a DST configuration or a whatever configuration.
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Deep Nine
The Bank of Prometheus
427
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Posted - 2015.05.24 19:09:06 -
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It needs to be refined.
But it is a good idea. You should stay on it. |
Panty Stocking
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2015.05.24 21:48:19 -
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full support, +1
that is as long as the materials cost for the hull and subsystems combined are are proportional to the price of strategic cruisers, and then a shitload more. the cost just one of these should get blops teams creaming themselves for hotdrop o'clock.
and an idea for fun: cannot join fleets, rambo mining only. |
Kiddoomer
ScrewWork Inc.
46
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Posted - 2015.05.24 22:02:33 -
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Panty Stocking wrote:full support, +1
that is as long as the materials cost for the hull and subsystems combined are are proportional to the price of strategic cruisers, and then a shitload more. the cost just one of these should get blops teams creaming themselves for hotdrop o'clock.
and an idea for fun: cannot join fleets, rambo mining only.
You missed this :
Proletariat Industrial - Foreman Processor 3 Highslots + 1 Medslot 2% bonus to Mining Foreman Links effectiveness per level Role Bonus: GÇó Can use 3 Warfare Link modules simultaneously
Basically can become a mini-orca with this, as can other T3 have bonus to Links with a certain subsystem.
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James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
736
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Posted - 2015.05.24 22:22:38 -
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Kiddoomer wrote:Panty Stocking wrote:full support, +1
that is as long as the materials cost for the hull and subsystems combined are are proportional to the price of strategic cruisers, and then a shitload more. the cost just one of these should get blops teams creaming themselves for hotdrop o'clock.
and an idea for fun: cannot join fleets, rambo mining only. You missed this : Proletariat Industrial - Foreman Processor 3 Highslots + 1 Medslot 2% bonus to Mining Foreman Links effectiveness per level Role Bonus: GÇó Can use 3 Warfare Link modules simultaneously Basically can become a mini-orca with this, as can other T3 have bonus to Links with a certain subsystem.
Can end up as a lovely 6 link booster, with armor + shield resists, all the mining links and maybe the info link with lock range.....
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James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
736
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Posted - 2015.05.24 22:24:20 -
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If the OP wants, I'm more than willing to sit down and try to break anything he comes up with, or coordinate to try and make a version which is very resistant to being made broken with him on voice coms and a google doc.
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Deep Nine
The Bank of Prometheus
427
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Posted - 2015.05.25 00:16:10 -
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+1. |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
199
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Posted - 2015.05.25 00:54:48 -
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Bonuses looks tempting but too much to begin with. I do personaly believe that we shold start from the concept similar to Tech 3 Destroyer.
3 major bonused sub modes with appropriate trade off one of another just do not make this thing a king among the kings. Hull size, hmm prob the most interesting part. Need to think about it.
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Kiddoomer
ScrewWork Inc.
46
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Posted - 2015.05.25 07:40:52 -
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Tiddle Jr wrote:Bonuses looks tempting but too much to begin with. I do personaly believe that we shold start from the concept similar to Tech 3 Destroyer.
3 major bonused sub modes with appropriate trade off one of another just do not make this thing a king among the kings. Hull size, hmm prob the most interesting part. Need to think about it.
I'm bad at maths, but these 3 major module could be ore/ice mining, cov ops/gas and salvager(noctis?) or booster. I wonder if a battleship would be cool, that should make a higher price tag than T3 cruiser and give to industrial player their first battleship sized vesselin the same time, this or a battlecruiser.
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Olivias Lahoe
Black Market Imperium
8
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Posted - 2015.05.25 13:37:18 -
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Tiddle Jr wrote:Bonuses looks tempting but too much to begin with. I do personaly believe that we shold start from the concept similar to Tech 3 Destroyer.
3 major bonused sub modes with appropriate trade off one of another just do not make this thing a king among the kings. Hull size, hmm prob the most interesting part. Need to think about it.
Low balling the stats on it and then improving it from there is a good idea. It should be a practice for all incoming ideas. |
James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
745
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Posted - 2015.05.25 16:03:14 -
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Olivias Lahoe wrote:Tiddle Jr wrote:Bonuses looks tempting but too much to begin with. I do personaly believe that we shold start from the concept similar to Tech 3 Destroyer.
3 major bonused sub modes with appropriate trade off one of another just do not make this thing a king among the kings. Hull size, hmm prob the most interesting part. Need to think about it.
Low balling the stats on it and then improving it from there is a good idea. It should be a practice for all incoming ideas. Should have been practice all along. release with underwhelming stats, adjust upwards to hit approximate balance in 1.1, then another look in the next release.
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Kiddoomer
ScrewWork Inc.
46
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Posted - 2015.05.25 16:11:40 -
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There is just one thing maybe before starting to search the right numbers for the stats : Do we really need here the engineering subsystem ? Give just a bonus to capa pool/regen for the strip miner subsystem, and base capacitor stats for every other variants in the hull. And maybe add some defenses stats (shield resists) in 1 or 2 cargo subsystems, IMO I don't think this ship need to have the same number of subsystems slots than the T3 combat cruisers.
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1832
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Posted - 2015.05.25 16:33:47 -
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Instead of making a whole new ship, can't we deal with the Rorqual 1st? |
Kiddoomer
ScrewWork Inc.
46
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Posted - 2015.05.25 16:42:53 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Instead of making a whole new ship, can't we deal with the Rorqual 1st?
I think we need to see the industrial structures of nullsec first, especially the mining drill. Without that I don't see how we could see which roles the Rorqual could have to be useful.
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Deep Nine
The Bank of Prometheus
428
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Posted - 2015.05.25 22:14:55 -
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Kiddoomer wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Instead of making a whole new ship, can't we deal with the Rorqual 1st? I think we need to see the industrial structures of nullsec first, especially the mining drill. Without that I don't see how we could see which roles the Rorqual could have to be useful.
Nope. Industrial structures, mining drills, and rorquals aren't what this thread is about.
You're derailing the thread and unfortunately, need a muzzle. |
James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
748
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Posted - 2015.05.25 23:30:30 -
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Deep Nine wrote:Kiddoomer wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Instead of making a whole new ship, can't we deal with the Rorqual 1st? I think we need to see the industrial structures of nullsec first, especially the mining drill. Without that I don't see how we could see which roles the Rorqual could have to be useful. Nope. Industrial structures, mining drills, and rorquals aren't what this thread is about. You're derailing the thread and unfortunately, need a muzzle. Legitimate concern for development order, and other ships in similar roles is legitimate. Personal attacks, like the muzzle crack, are not.
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Uriam Khanid
New Machinarium Corporation
3
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Posted - 2015.05.26 02:20:43 -
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Exhumation matrix - for strips only? Covert configuration - for mining laser and gas harvesters only? and electronic subsystems - do we really need them? you can move tractor beams to salvager rescue system. love the idea, but need some work on numbers. |
Deep Nine
The Bank of Prometheus
439
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Posted - 2015.05.30 09:23:52 -
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Idea needs to be revisited. |
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James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
807
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Posted - 2015.05.30 16:04:49 -
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Deep Nine wrote:Idea needs to be revisited. Waiting for this thread to die, or OP to make new contributions. Have a mostly baked proposal once this is dead.
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Kiddoomer
ScrewWork Inc.
49
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Posted - 2015.05.30 16:37:29 -
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I've finished to modify the subsystems of the ship, I'm not a orca user so maybe the boosts bonus are too high. I wanted to make the other bonus around 80% of full efficiency of the ships mimicked. I removed both the electronic and engineering subsystems since I don't think this ship need them. There is a lot less lowslots now too.
Ore Strategic Industrial bonuses: 5% reduction in module heat damage amount taken per level
Industrial Subsystems
Proletariat Industrial - Exhumation Matrix 3 Highslots 3% bonus to Strip Miner and Ice Harvester range per level 4% reduction in Strip Miner and Ice Harvester duration per level 5% reduction in capacitor recharge rate per level Role Bonus: 25% reduction to ship max velocity
Proletariat Industrial - Covert Configuration 3 Highslots 7.5% bonus to Mining yield per level 5% reduction in Gas Cloud Harvesting duration per level 5% bonus to capacitor capacity per level Role Bonus: 100% bonus to Mining and Gas Cloud Harvesting yield 100% reduction in Cloaking Devices CPU requirement 50% reduction to ship cargo capacity GÇó Can fit Covert Ops Cloaking Device and Covert Cynosural Field Generator GÇó Cloak reactivation delay reduced to 5 seconds
Proletariat Industrial - Salvage rescue systems 5 Highslots 5% reduction in Salvager duration per level 20% bonus to tractor beam range per level 5% reduction in Tractor Beam duration per level
Proletariat Industrial - Foreman Processor 3 Highslots + 1 Medslot 2% bonus to Mining Foreman Links effectiveness per level Role Bonus: GÇó Can use 3 Warfare Link modules simultaneously
Cargo Subsystems
Proletariat Cargo - Ore Transports 1 Medslot + 2 Lowslot Cargo Capacity 300 + Ore Capacity 25'000 4% bonus to ship ore hold capacity per level 15% bonus to Survey Scanner range per level
Proletariat Cargo - Planetary Resources Transports 1 Medslot + 2 Lowslot Cargo Capacity 550 + Planetary Commodity Capacity 40,000 10% bonus to ship planetary commodity hold capacity per level
Proletariat Cargo - Ship Transports 1 Medslot + 2 Lowslot Cargo Capacity 550 + Ship Maintenance Bay Capacity 1,000,000
Proletariat Cargo - Danger zone transports 4 Medslot + 2 Lowslot Cargo Capacity 3 700 (4 625) + Fleet Hangar Capacity 45 000 (56 250) 5% bonus to fleet hangar and cargo capacity per level 4% bonus to all shield resistances per level 15% bonus to the benefits of overheating Afterburners, Microwarpdrives, Local Repair Modules and Resistance Modules per level 5% Reduction in the amount of heat damage absorbed by modules per level
Propulsion Subsystems
Proletariat Propulsion GÇô Scout Mobility Optimization 2 Lowslot + 2 Medslot 2% bonus to ship cargo capacity per level 1 Highslot + 2 Medslot 10% increase to scan strength of probes per level Role Bonus: +10 bonus to Relic and Data Analyzer virus strength
Proletariat Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst 1 Medslot + 1 Lowslot 10% bonus to afterburner speed per level
Proletariat Propulsion - Chassis Optimization 2 Lowslot 5% bonus to max velocity per level
Proletariat Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier 5% increased agility per level 5% reduction in signature radius per level Role Bonus: Immunity to non-targeted interdiction
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Draahk Chimera
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
55
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Posted - 2015.05.30 17:12:22 -
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James Baboli wrote:Deep Nine wrote:Idea needs to be revisited. Waiting for this thread to die, or OP to make new contributions. Have a mostly baked proposal once this is dead.
Sorry. Lots of work and stuff. Still think the subsystem bonuses and stuff on my op was ok but I took the problems with slots and sometimes over the top bonuses to heart and changed it thus:
Ore Strategic Industrial bonuses: 5% reduction in module heat damage amount taken per level
Industrial Subsystems
Proletariat Industrial - Exhumation Matrix 2 Highslots 5% bonus to Strip Miner and Ice Harvester range per level 3% reduction in Strip Miner and Ice Harvester duration per level
Proletariat Industrial - Covert Configuration 3 Highslots 7.5% bonus to Mining yield per level 5% reduction in Gas Cloud Harvesting duration per level Role Bonus: 100% bonus to Mining and Gas Cloud Harvesting yield 100% reduction in Cloaking Devices CPU requirement 50% reduction to ship cargo capacity GÇó Can fit Covert Ops Cloaking Device and Covert Cynosural Field Generator GÇó Cloak reactivation delay reduced to 5 seconds
Proletariat Industrial - Salvage rescue systems 7 Highslots 5% reduction in Salvager duration per level
Proletariat Industrial - Foreman Processor 3 Highslots + 1 Medslot 2% bonus to Mining Foreman Links effectiveness per level Role Bonus: GÇó Can use 3 Warfare Link modules simultaneously
Cargo Subsystems
Proletariat Cargo - Ore Transports 2 Lowslot Cargo Capacity 550 + Ore Capacity 30,000 10% bonus to ship ore hold capacity per level
Proletariat Cargo - Planetary Resources Transports 2 Lowslot Cargo Capacity 550 + Planetary Commodity Capacity 30,000 10% bonus to ship planetary commodity hold capacity per level
Proletariat Cargo - Ship Transports 2 Lowslot Cargo Capacity 550 + Ship Maintenance Bay Capacity 1,000,000
Proletariat Cargo - Danger zone transports 4 Medslot + 1 Lowslot Cargo Capacity 5000 + Fleet Hangar Capacity 40,000 5% bonus to fleet hangar capacity per level 4% bonus to all shield resistances per level
Propulsion Subsystems
Proletariat Propulsion - Cargo Storage Optimization 2% bonus to ship cargo capacity per level Role Bonus: 25% reduction to ship max velocity
Proletariat Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst 1 Medslot + 1 Lowslot 10% bonus to afterburner speed per level
Proletariat Propulsion - Chassis Optimization 1 Lowslot 5% bonus to max velocity per level
Proletariat Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier 5% increased agility per level Role Bonus: Immunity to non-targeted interdiction
Engineering Subsystems
Proletariat Engineering - Superior heat injection 1 Medslot 17.5% bonus to the benefits of overheating Afterburners, Microwarpdrives, Local Repair Modules and Resistance Modules per level
Proletariat Engineering - Supplemental Coolant Injector 1 Medslot 5% Reduction in the amount of heat damage absorbed by modules per level
Proletariat Engineering- Capacitor Regeneration Matrix 1 Medslot 5% reduction in capacitor recharge rate per level
Proletariat Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir 1 Medslot 5% bonus to capacitor capacity per level
Electronic Subsystems
Proletariat Electronic - Tractor Efficiency Crystals 1 Highslots + 1 Medslot 5% reduction in Tractor Beam duration per level 60% bonus to Tractor Beam range and velocity per level
Proletariat Electronic - Tactical Surveys 2 Medslot 100% bonus to Survey Scanner range per level
Proletariat Electronic - Minimalist Sensor Radiant 2 Medslot 5% reduction in signature radius per level
Proletariat Electronic - Emergent Locus 1 Highslot + 2 Medslot 10% increase to scan strength of probes per level Role Bonus: +10 bonus to Relic and Data Analyzer virus strength
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Kiddoomer
ScrewWork Inc.
49
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Posted - 2015.05.30 17:33:58 -
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The only thing above that really bothers me is the cargo subsystem for ore hold. As a ore transport it's fine, but it makes this ship a better mackinaw with the exhumation matrix, knowing that the mack as a ore hold of 35k m3. I can't find a solution to that except chosing if this T3 industrial could be a solo miner or a ore transporter but not both.
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James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
808
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Posted - 2015.05.30 21:13:06 -
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Draahk Chimera wrote:James Baboli wrote:Deep Nine wrote:Idea needs to be revisited. Waiting for this thread to die, or OP to make new contributions. Have a mostly baked proposal once this is dead. Sorry. Lots of work and stuff. Still think the subsystem bonuses and stuff on my op was ok but I took the problems with slots and sometimes over the top bonuses to heart and changed it thus: Ore Strategic Industrial bonuses: 5% reduction in module heat damage amount taken per level Industrial Subsystems Proletariat Industrial - Exhumation Matrix 2 Highslots 5% bonus to Strip Miner and Ice Harvester range per level 3% reduction in Strip Miner and Ice Harvester duration per level Cargo Subsystems Proletariat Cargo - Danger zone transports 3 Medslot + 1 Lowslot Cargo Capacity 5000 + Fleet Hangar Capacity 40,000 5% bonus to fleet hangar capacity per level 4% bonus to all shield resistances per level Propulsion Subsystems Proletariat Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst 1 Medslot + 1 Lowslot 10% bonus to afterburner speed per level Engineering Subsystems Proletariat Engineering- Capacitor Regeneration Matrix 1 Medslot 5% reduction in capacitor recharge rate per level Electronic Subsystems Proletariat Electronic - Tractor Efficiency Crystals 1 Highslots + 1 Medslot 5% reduction in Tractor Beam duration per level 60% bonus to Tractor Beam range and velocity per level
So, by my count: 3/6/2, with a larger hangar than the dedicated ore bay (50k @ l5 skills vs 45K @ l5 skills) and a max of 3.45 effective strip miners vs a hulk with an effective max of 5.4, but the shield resists and mids to mount a credible tank. Looks like a super retriever, with tank to me.
Closer. an interesting trade off set, but some subsystems are pretty unbalanced vs others, especially if this has lots of fitting room
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Posted - 2015.05.30 21:31:47 -
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So, I was noodling around a bit. I think a big part of the issue is trying to mirror the subsystem mechanics already in play too closely. I think it would be much easier to balance if you set it up as 4 kinds of subsystems. Effectively they would split into: Role, electronics and engineering, propulsion, and utility, and you get to fit 2 utility.
For example, role would have the tractor bonus subsytems, a mining subsystem or 2, a system to allow links, a gas huffing subsystem, and maybe a hauler subsystem, with a cargo bonus to the utility modules.
Electronics and engineering would have a subsystem for cap capacity or recharge, one for fitting room, one to bonus the links, a subsystem for scanners, and a subsystem for tank.
Propulsion would have an array of propulsion subsystems.
Utility would have a: large ore bay (35k at max skills), Medium cargo bay (20k at max skills) and a medium small fleet hangar ( 15k @ l5), along side a turret or launcher hard point system, a subsystem for a 2nd and then third strip miner (letting you get 1 of the bonused strip miner's cycles into the hold at a time).
So, a 3 strip miner version would probably be set up something like 3/4/3, and have ~3k of cargo hold with no ore bay to make it balanced IMO, forcing very tight micro-management of cargo in this configurations.
Then a full ore bay version would have a double sized bay, but barely any ore to push into it, as the basic subsystem would have only one slot for a strip miner. This means long AFKs, but low yields.
The links and link bonus subsytem to the links are split to avoid being a better booster than an orca while having a good tank and large hangar.
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Making battleships worth the warp
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Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans
2448
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Posted - 2015.05.30 23:02:22 -
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Maybe we shouldn't follow the current T3 model for subsystems. If we did, we might as well simply add more subsystems to the current line up and call it a day.
If you were to design a new one, you would base it off of different aspects. Cargo subsystems, resources subs, propulsion, and electronics. Much easier to balance and create defined roles for each if you remove the extras. Don't even necessarily need 4 per group either. Could be more or less depending on role.
Hell, scrap the current groups and give it as many groups as needed to maintain balance.
E: similar to what he said ^^^ |
Uriam Khanid
New Machinarium Corporation
4
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Posted - 2015.05.31 07:04:02 -
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general, about transport and mining: mining - ore/ice/gas transport - general purpose/mineral/ore/planetary commodity's/ammunition. transport subs may look like - 35.000 m3 with 20% bonus to specific cargo. it make T3 no so good on lower skill than T1 ship (like Kryos and Hoarder) . mining subs actually very difficult to configurate. but we don't need a T3 cloake barge, IMO. |
Deep Nine
The Bank of Prometheus
441
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Posted - 2015.06.04 12:49:32 -
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At least some variation of the idea would make sense and be useful. |
Castelo Selva
Forcas armadas DARKNESS.
80
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Posted - 2015.06.04 14:08:37 -
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+1 totaly supported.
Best post ever!
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Alexis Nightwish
228
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Posted - 2015.06.04 18:58:31 -
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Samillian wrote:So you want to obsolete all T1 and T2 industrials, mining barges, Exhumers and the Noctis with a single hull. Can't see it happening.
Not supported. This was my exact thought looking over this.
Draahk Chimera wrote:...Samillian : Yeah... the way Strategic Cruisers made all T1 and T2 cruisers and battlecruisers obsolete. You have of course red the OP very carefully and noted how all the subs individually have smaller bonuses than the barges and indys they are based upon? Yeah, and T3Cs are one of the worst things that's ever happened to EVE. **** them, **** these broken as **** T3 Industrials, **** the king.
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Fixing bombs, not the bombers
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Leto Aramaus
Spiritus Draconis Spaceship Bebop
126
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Posted - 2015.06.04 19:23:32 -
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Alexis Nightwish wrote:Samillian wrote:So you want to obsolete all T1 and T2 industrials, mining barges, Exhumers and the Noctis with a single hull. Can't see it happening.
Not supported. This was my exact thought looking over this. Draahk Chimera wrote:...Samillian : Yeah... the way Strategic Cruisers made all T1 and T2 cruisers and battlecruisers obsolete. You have of course red the OP very carefully and noted how all the subs individually have smaller bonuses than the barges and indys they are based upon? Yeah, and T3Cs are one of the worst things that's ever happened to EVE. **** them, **** these broken as **** T3 Industrials, **** the king.
So much this.
No more T3s
Nerf them all to be no better than T2, just customizable.
Draahk I can't even... my support for your statement is so high... marry me?
The UI update we deserve
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Joe Risalo
State War Academy Caldari State
802
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Posted - 2015.06.04 19:40:14 -
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My thoughts.
They should perform marginally less that that of their t2 counter part (based on build).
My reasoning is that they would be given more utility in comparison.
IE
Yield less than that of a Hulk, but can have cloak. Yield less than that of a Hulk, but can have nullifier. Yield less than that of a Hulk, but more tank. Yield less than that of a Hulk, but more drone damage.
Command bonuses less than an Orca, but more ore hold. Less command, but more tank. Less command, but more damage. Less command, but can cloak. Less command, but has nullifier.
Obviously these aren't exactly how it would go, but I think T3 indy should provide what other indys do, but be able to at less efficiency in exchange for more survivability allowing more efficient use in Null/WH/Low. If you don't think that it is balanced, you must also consider that destruction of your ship also gives skill loss. |
vikari
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Nulli Secunda
123
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Posted - 2015.06.06 02:09:18 -
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I think the 5 second cloak reactivation is pushing it a little hard. I'd accept the 10 second like the SOE ships get, but having such a quick reactivation timer for what is a gas mining ship (in that configuration), and is likely to be used in someone space who is neutral or hostile to you should hold a little more risk. |
Draahk Chimera
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
56
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Posted - 2015.06.06 10:31:09 -
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vikari wrote:I think the 5 second cloak reactivation is pushing it a little hard. I'd accept the 10 second like the SOE ships get, but having such a quick reactivation timer for what is a gas mining ship (in that configuration), and is likely to be used in someone space who is neutral or hostile to you should hold a little more risk.
It's the same bonus as Venture. Witch has a frigate's agility and would cost a fraction of the money and will not loose you SP if ganked.
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Kiddoomer
ScrewWork Inc.
57
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Posted - 2015.06.06 10:49:44 -
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Draahk Chimera wrote:vikari wrote:I think the 5 second cloak reactivation is pushing it a little hard. I'd accept the 10 second like the SOE ships get, but having such a quick reactivation timer for what is a gas mining ship (in that configuration), and is likely to be used in someone space who is neutral or hostile to you should hold a little more risk. It's the same bonus as Venture. Witch has a frigate's agility and would cost a fraction of the money and will not loose you SP if ganked.
*Prospect, venture is the T1 mining frigate. But yes, these 5 seconds are not OP to me too.
A survey scanner tweak and new mining methods: interactive mining
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