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Zeknichov Amarr Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.16 16:57:00 - [1] Edited by: Zeknichov on 16/11/2006 16:59:31 Originally by: Sovereign533 there is lots to say to the word 'Carebear'... what really is an 'carebear'? a fluffy bear? well, on tv, probaly... in Eve, no... i like to think that carebears are nothing but egocentric ppl who don't care about anything exept their own wallet... like joining an alliance, doing nothing but hunt npc's or mine for their own profit... i wanted to highlight this because npc'ing and mining isn't bad... you need isk to buy t2 modules, skills etc... you need minerals to build ships, ammo, modules etc... while industrialists are a better word... i still say '** carebears', and i really hate them... but i love industrialists... i need my ships, i need ammo even more... we keep these industrialists in our alliances and low sec corporations, because we need them... we provide protection, the best belts... and help them when needed... and the industrialist can do what he/she likes best... mine all day, build all day, research all day... and ofcourse, this industrialist also needs money... but a Tier 2 Battleship for 90mil isk, isn't that bad... it won't be as much as the 108mil for them... but i think it's a small price to pay... as an industrialist, you have loyal customers that do anything to try to protect you... the price i stated, it's just an example... all i mean to say with this is that i don't pay the full price of an industrialist when i help protecting his belts... everything wants something in return for their efforts... don't you? what is your oppinion about this? We all seem to have our own definition of a carebear. Yours is well, more of the definition of an *****. Carebears by definition should not even play EVE. Carebears are someone who when an MMO is an development they argue against any form of meaningful PvP. I don't know what better way to compare carebear to not carebear rather then stating. EVE and Shadowbane are at the top when it comes to PvP systems. WoW battlegrounds is the perfect definition of carebear. In EVE you can LOSE at PvP. When you die you lose isk, no one has an unlimited supply of isk, eventually someone loses a war/fight. In WoW it's zerg zerg zerg zerg zerg kekekekekekekekekekkeke until you're bored. That is carebear. Meaningful PvP = PvPer PvP without meaning = Carebear Meaning is defined as the capability to FORCE both a gain or loss on another. If I can't make someone lose something or if I cannot make myself gain something then PvP has no meaning. When you hear someone say "The fun of PvP in the joy of fighting" (a popular phrase in the WoW community,) it's merely an excuse for a carebear PvP system. Yes the fun is in the fight but it's the aftermath of the fight that gives PvP meaning and keeps players playing.

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