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Sovereign533 Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.11.16 02:35:00 - [1] there is lots to say to the word 'Carebear'... what really is an 'carebear'? a fluffy bear? well, on tv, probaly... in Eve, no... i like to think that carebears are nothing but egocentric ppl who don't care about anything exept their own wallet... like joining an alliance, doing nothing but hunt npc's or mine for their own profit... i wanted to highlight this because npc'ing and mining isn't bad... you need isk to buy t2 modules, skills etc... you need minerals to build ships, ammo, modules etc... while industrialists are a better word... i still say '** carebears', and i really hate them... but i love industrialists... i need my ships, i need ammo even more... we keep these industrialists in our alliances and low sec corporations, because we need them... we provide protection, the best belts... and help them when needed... and the industrialist can do what he/she likes best... mine all day, build all day, research all day... and ofcourse, this industrialist also needs money... but a Tier 2 Battleship for 90mil isk, isn't that bad... it won't be as much as the 108mil for them... but i think it's a small price to pay... as an industrialist, you have loyal customers that do anything to try to protect you... the price i stated, it's just an example... all i mean to say with this is that i don't pay the full price of an industrialist when i help protecting his belts... everything wants something in return for their efforts... don't you? what is your oppinion about this? Originally by:** Sovereign533 Time will tell, sooner or later, time will tell... Second sig removed, only 1 signature graphic please - Xorus ^_^WOOHOO!!! my Sig finally got nerfed...
Kenya	Posted - 2006.11.16 02:47:00 - [2] I think the way your looking at it is fine. I think if more ppl looked at it like you there would be more ppl in 0.0 and your BS would be even cheaper.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.16 02:49:00 - [3] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 16/11/2006 02:50:22 There are two meanings of carebear. 1. Positive meaning. An industrialist, not necessarily anti-PvP or anything. Usually used lightheartedly. Example: "Man, I'm such a carebear." 2. Negative meaning. Someone scared to death of PvP that wants EVE turned into happy happy rainbow land where nobody can hurt anyone else. Or at least something close. Example: "Stupid carebears should shut up about pirates and 'greifers'." -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Weirda Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.16 03:15:00 - [4] carebear sit cloaked all day farming complex solo non-carebear bubble gate with interdictor and pop carebear (travelling alone, in a shuttle w/no scouts), revealing HG snake delta and crazy 5% mining implant in hold. carebear is good eating! __ Weirda Join QotSA
Miss Overlord Gallente EUROPEANS	Posted - 2006.11.16 03:22:00 - [5] carebears that contribute = good and get reward = good carebears that dont help and take more rewards out of balance = bad
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.16 03:26:00 - [6] Removing the labels 'carebear' and 'industrialist' from the original post we get: People who suck suck. People who don't don't. What an achievement. ---------- IBTL \o/
Reggie Stoneloader eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.16 03:33:00 - [7] I'd say it's pretty much the difference in what you want out of EvE. EvE's got the most sophisticated business model I've seen in an MMO. You're dealing with a market, taxes, shareholders and competition for finite resources. It's a complex, brutal world, and you can get a lot out of EvE without every firing a blaster or launching a missile. But a huge majority of EvE's content, in terms of skills, ships and available activities, is based on combat, because it's more romantic and exciting than watching your bottom line. *Pre-emption: You're about to say, "But without combat and ganking and destruction on a galactic scale, nobody would ever buy the industrialists' manufactured goods!" That's not really true. EvE's economy is held up by NPC corporations. Combat characters are paid for killing rats and fetching DNA and otherwise serving NPCs. It would be a simple thing for NPC buy orders to keep an industrial corporation afloat. An artificial demand for manufactured goods is no less feasible than an artificial demand for carnage.* So combat characters are kings of the galaxy, able to beat up the industrialists and take their lunch money and laugh all the way to their bottomless wells of isk in missions and deadspace. The non-combat characters and players are dirt in EvE, and the fighters make up a nickname for them. They call them "Carebears" because they're harmless and squishy. Yes, combat characters need industrialists to build the ships and the ammo and the T2 modules (T1 is had from loot, and loot is usually better than what you build from normal BPs), but they don't depend on industrial players. They depend on industrial alts. Mining, building, researching, buying, selling and hauling--all the non-combat professions of EvE--are the domain of alternate characters. Only a fool has a main who specializes in mining or hauling. Nobody's stupid enough to think they can make their way in EvE as a manufacturer or researcher. Even if it can be done, it would be horribly boring. Watching progress bars isn't worth 15 dollars a month. The sparkly toys and enthralling events are all reserved for combat. So a "Carebear" is any poor fool dumb enough to have a main character who isn't a combat character. Blow up a hauler, and the first thing you'll see in local is, "omg u nub u think ur so tuff beatin my alt wait til i get my main here he flies a deimos and has -10 sec ur dead meat". So you didn't kill a carebear, you killed a carebear alt, who is toiling away to subsidize some leet pvper who then runs around pretending to be worthwhile on his own merits. That's the way EvE is supposed to work. -------------- Civis Ascendant Sum
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.16 03:36:00 - [8] Originally by: Reggie Stoneloader *******s If this is some kind joke I don't get it. It just looks like idiocy. ---------- IBTL \o/
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.16 03:37:00 - [9] Originally by: Reggie Stoneloader Pre-emption: You're about to say, "But without combat and ganking and destruction on a galactic scale, nobody would ever buy the industrialists' manufactured goods!" That's not really true. EvE's economy is held up by NPC corporations. Combat characters are paid for killing rats and fetching DNA and otherwise serving NPCs. It would be a simple thing for NPC buy orders to keep an industrial corporation afloat. An artificial demand for manufactured goods is no less feasible than an artificial demand for carnage. What you are proposing is called Runescape, where manufacturing (almost) solely exists for the purpose of selling to NPCs (as do all other professions). -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Maglorre	Posted - 2006.11.16 04:47:00 - [10] Originally by: Reggie Stoneloader <snip>a complete load of *******s</snip> That's the way EvE is supposed to work. That might be the way Eve works for you, fine, it's not the way it works for everybody. I don't have an alt (actually, I do, and this is it... and it's a forum alt and nothing more). I mine, I build, I rat, I pvp, I'm in a 0.0 based corp. I really couldn't give a rats if people want to use alts but I cannot be bothered. I may not be uber l33t at pvp (actually, I suck at it but I'm learning), I'm not an uber miner, I'm not an uber builder and I'm not an uber ratter. But guess what, I LIKE IT THAT WAY. I like doing different things. I like sitting in a belt mining with some corpies while we chat on vent or corp channel. I like ratting solo or in small gangs while we chat on vent or corp channel. I like building my own ships and stuff (although I leave the BS sized ships to the better builders in the corp to save me some mins ). I like going in gangs roaming around looking for people to shoot at. I do not, however, think that "winning" Eve is important enough for me to run separate characters for each of these tasks. As a matter of fact I really think of it as a form of meta-gaming (there, that's sure to incite a few flames!) Cheers

Mi Lai Sanguine Legion Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.16 05:21:00 - [11] Originally by: Weirda carebear is good eating! Says it all, really.
The RepoMan Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.16 07:15:00 - [12] The term carebear was coined out of pvp environments, where everyone was forced into pvp, namely ac:dt and uo. The original and correct usage was referring to people who would attempt to put themselves at a "safer" advantage. These are the people who form giant clans and who powerlevel in an attempt to not die. Within about 4 days to a week, the meaning was completely screwed up, and the people who originally coined the term stopped using it due to it's misuse. The only people who still actually use the word are carebears themselves.
Grytok	Posted - 2006.11.16 07:39:00 - [13] Edited by: Grytok on 16/11/2006 07:46:19 Originally by: Reggie Stoneloader ... Mining, building, researching, buying, selling and hauling--all the non-combat professions of EvE--are the domain of alternate characters. Only a fool has a main who specializes in mining or hauling. Nobody's stupid enough to think they can make their way in EvE as a manufacturer or researcher. Even if it can be done, it would be horribly boring. Watching progress bars isn't worth 15 dollars a month. The sparkly toys and enthralling events are all reserved for combat. So a "Carebear" is any poor fool dumb enough to have a main character who isn't a combat character. Blow up a hauler, and the first thing you'll see in local is, "omg u nub u think ur so tuff beatin my alt wait til i get my main here he flies a deimos and has -10 sec ur dead meat". So you didn't kill a carebear, you killed a carebear alt, who is toiling away to subsidize some leet pvper who then runs around pretending to be worthwhile on his own merits. That's the way EvE is supposed to work. Allright. If I get this right you just called me a dumb idiot. I like EvE, because you can do so many different things in this Universe. I am trained up to fly Transport-Ships and Freighters, to be useful to my Corp. I don't need an Alt for playing this game succesful, because I win every day, just by having fun with my mates. Guys like you just ruin this wonderful game, thinking that there is no space in it for anything else, but combat and fighting. PvP is much more, then just "pew pew". Grow up! EDIT: Uups, wanted to reply to the OP as well In my humble oppinion, a carebear is someone, who is not willing to take some risks. In EvE a carebear is supposed to be someone, who never would enter LowSec or 0.0, just sitting in 0.5 - 1.0 all day long. But hey, they pay their 15$ as well and support us this way too, to keep this game going. .
DaRuLe Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.16 07:40:00 - [14] ~cam.per (-the) 1. a person without balls, incapable of real PvP due to lack of skill and thus harming innocent people in frigates. cheers, the industrialist Threads about carebears... sigh Come on, how many are there? Just respect the way someone plays and don't get that ***** envy out every time you get frustrated by a carebear. Girls talk about carebears, a real man eats 'em and doesn't talk about em. __________________________________________________________________________
Sol Halcon Minmatar The Exile Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.16 08:06:00 - [15] You want to know what happens when they take a game like Eve and turn it into a PvP frag fest and remove all the useless "carebear" stuff? Star Wars Galaxies, that's what. There used to be a multitude of stuff to do in there. Now all there is is PvP until your eyes fall out. I came here because friends told me there was a never ending list of stuff to do and learn, and there is excellent PvP to be had as well. Lets not even start suggesting that we turn this into a frag fest. If you really want constant PvP go to Vendetta online. Grey space there is a constant frag fest. Cheers! ~Sol
Maglorre	Posted - 2006.11.16 08:12:00 - [16] Originally by: Grytok I win every day, just by having fun with my mates. Wish I had thought of using that line, you win this thread !
Perani	Posted - 2006.11.16 08:12:00 - [17] Originally by: DaRuLe Girls talk about carebears, a real man eats 'em and doesn't talk about em. I disagree, I see more than 5% of posts whining about "carebears", therefore either the my demographics intel is incorrect, or we have many men online roleplaying girls. Note: purely a joke, no misogyny here.
TricksR4Cats	Posted - 2006.11.16 08:16:00 - [18] Originally by: Sol Halcon You want to know what happens when they take a game like Eve and turn it into a PvP frag fest and remove all the useless "carebear" stuff? Star Wars Galaxies, that's what. There used to be a multitude of stuff to do in there. Now all there is is PvP until your eyes fall out. I came here because friends told me there was a never ending list of stuff to do and learn, and there is excellent PvP to be had as well. Lets not even start suggesting that we turn this into a frag fest. If you really want constant PvP go to Vendetta online. Grey space there is a constant frag fest. Cheers! ~Sol ahh dont worry Eve will never turn out like that :)
Mazzarins Demise	Posted - 2006.11.16 08:21:00 - [19] You Trammie
Miss Overlord Gallente EUROPEANS	Posted - 2006.11.16 08:24:00 - [20] what happens when a non carebear turns into a carebear i wonder

Tyler Lowe Minmatar DROW Org Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.16 08:33:00 - [21] Carebear? A derogatory term used to describe a play style which does not include player versus player interaction. I think the language filter would probably edit out the other terms PvE and PvP players have for each other. As for what you said about "carebears" I know what you're saying, but I prefer to think of those people as "parasites". To me, it makes very, very little difference what play style you wish to pursue in game, as you pay to be here. However: taking advantage of the effort others put in to the time they have also paid for and not repaying that debt is simply poor. J.A.F.O.
Royaldo KVA Noble Inc. THE H0RDE	Posted - 2006.11.16 08:34:00 - [22] Originally by: Crumplecorn Removing the labels 'carebear' and 'industrialist' from the original post we get: People who suck suck. People who don't don't. What an achievement. Spilled my espresso.. good stuff.
DaRuLe Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.16 10:30:00 - [23] Originally by: Tyler Lowe snip However: taking advantage of the effort others put in to the time they have also paid for and not repaying that debt is simply poor. That statement goes both ways. __________________________________________________________________________
Lunadi Minmatar Solar Trade	Posted - 2006.11.16 10:56:00 - [24] Replaying to the OP - for me a 'carebear' player would be a player not willing to take much risk, but without any negative meaning (of course this person can act in a negative or positive way, but this will be related to some other external factors) What is most interesting after reading previous posts, is that although the definitions have some small common parts (mostly related to avoiding pvp), they are very different, and some with a very negative note (either filled with emotions - 'I really hate them' or trying to evaluate 'is any poor fool dumb enough'). Imho the problem with such a situation is the following: - first we have many definitions, so we get many type of 'carebears' put in the same basket - second all of them will suffer from the same negative meaning/emotions (because they are all in the same basket) I would just propose to use 'carebear' a bit more lightly, since such terms usually divide communities. Also imho abusing such stereotypes just narrows our perception of reality. -------- hate my spelling? go play SCRABBLE!
Viictoria	Posted - 2006.11.16 11:50:00 - [25] Carebear = Any player who prefers PvE, or possibly one who tries hard to avoid the "griefing" style of PvP. I think this is a pretty safe general description... Not all are whiners, not all hate PvP / PvPers, some might even enjoy some PvP but most of the time would rather be (in EVE) mining, mission running, ratting, etc. In other PvP games I would use Carebear to describe some people who would avoid real world PvP and just duel others 1v1 also Only thing negative about the term is the negativity some put into it, by using it as an insult. I never saw the term used so negatively til I came to EVE, really
DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2006.11.16 11:53:00 - [26] Both industrialists & PvP'ers have varying degrees of lameness... Carebear<->Industrialist PK'er<->PvP'er EveryoneÆs opinion differs on the variance... It's CCP's job to make sure the game is balanced in such a way that the majority of players are PvP'ers and Industrialists, and keeping the number of PK'ers & Carebears to a minimum...
DOGNOSH Minmatar SKULLDOGS	Posted - 2006.11.16 12:47:00 - [27] Originally by: Sovereign533 BLAH BLAH . . . what is your oppinion about this? so so sad do you really want an "I WIN" button by expelling all carebears? or do you want to PvP once every 28 days because now that all the CBs have left everyone else is doing the same as you and waiting for prey to show up in your system? I am currently a useless PvPer but I like the idea that there is alot of fodder for me out there to kill mmmm pink Eris will approve - Xorus Xorus has been webbified - DOGNOSH
Lisento Slaven Amarr The Drekla Consortium Kurai Komichi	Posted - 2006.11.16 12:50:00 - [28] Carebear's don't exist in the long-run. They exist in the short-run. Short-run: My friend wouldn't help me one day with a pvp gang in my home system. He is a carebear. It doesn't matter what he was doing at the time. He didn't want to help pvp. Long-run: My friend (same one as above) helps out the next day in a pvp gang. He's not a carebear anymore but people still call him one for not helping the day before. The term care-bear is usually placed against people who surrender in wars too in order to stop being killed by better pvpers. =P --- Lisento Slaven wants to be a Space Whaler in EVE. Put in space whales!
ollobrains Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.11.16 12:51:00 - [29] hey lisento - you have valid poitns usually its the l33t kiddies that didnt get their isnta kill that call everyone else carebears
Galk Gallente Autumn Tactics	Posted - 2006.11.16 13:13:00 - [30] A word that only exists in the online gamers vocab. Simple as.... Because i play the game the way i do (that selfish/greedy Individual portraid in the op) Iv'e been called a gutless carebear coward quite a few times in the game and on the forum..... when thats aimed me, i see it as nothing but a personal insult tbh.. Within the world of eve is the only place i ever get called that, or thought of in that manner and way. It never happens when im out with my friends, not when im at work... and certainly not when i was serving my country with a gun in my hand, and the voluntary and charity work iv'e done off my own back in the last 15 years. Ofc the real coward isn't behind my screen. ______



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