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Zephyr Mallory Limberry Aegis GmbH	Posted - 2006.11.16 16:45:00 - [91] Scorpio - please take a couple seconds more to edit your quotes.. you're making it look like I said that bit that DD replied to my quote with.
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2006.11.16 16:47:00 - [92] Originally by: Stinky Spaniel Edited by: Stinky Spaniel on 16/11/2006 16:40:25 Originally by: Black Scorpio Originally by: Stinky Spaniel THat does not even make sense and just makes my point even more. What has wow got to do with this, it is another MMO and probably has the same ups and downs as EVE? Are you saying if there was a PvE only EVE server you would prefer that ? or the PVP only one not sure which game type you are into. We already have seperate areas for PvE and PVP its called low and High sec. I Completely dont understand your posts contribution to the discussion. Sorry. Why would anyone want to pay $150+ a year for a solo player game with very limited content? NO I am SAYING that for people that are faced with these ALIEN ideas in EvE, you should go play WoW (much the same way you advise other players of EvE, who actually like the game the way it is and respect others in it, to go play other game titles). Because in WoW afaik, there are dedicated server for each person play style, so ppl with limited cognitive abilities do not feel ALIENATED !!! Ok fair enougth, i have some work to do so my last post, but why do players of any MMO play online games when all they intend to do is play them solo or with 2nd accounts?? Why not simply play a similar off line game for free if there is no interaction with other human players. Obviously some people love MSORPGs, Massivley solo online role playing games, and again finally i find this concept strange and Alien. Im not sure why you keep prattling on about WoW. Whats so good about that game that everyone refers to it so much? Im sure that MMORPG also has many MSORPGers. I dont think i said everyone solos the game? i asked those that do, why do they ?? Why so hostile? calm down and be constructive. To CADELA.. see why I'm harsh.. the guy is asking THE SAME QUESTION AGAIN.. I mean.. how much of the same answer should I give them.. and keep explaining ??? Maybe you can take over nicely... To Stinky.. Well buddy, I/we do NOT and ARE not going to play another game because I/we LIKE EvE. Is that a good enough reason for you or you'd like some world impacting reason to understand that people do things because people like things...
Cadela Fria Amarr eXin Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.16 16:47:00 - [93] Originally by: Zephyr Mallory Scorpio - please take a couple seconds more to edit your quotes.. you're making it look like I said that bit that DD replied to my quote with. Just add a /quote in square brackets after what he said finishes (just before you start typing..look at the reply I made it..I fixed it, but, nobody replied to it :P) that fixes it -Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right
Cadela Fria Amarr eXin Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.16 16:48:00 - [94] Originally by: Black Scorpio Originally by: Cadela Fria Theres no reason to get personal with the guy just because he doesn't get a point you're making. Thats just poor quality..the kind of bleep that ruins a good argument. Yeah, I'm saying this even though I agreed with earlier points you made. Well Cadela I reply on forums ONLY when i feel strongly about something, don't have the time to be wasting a day getting my point through to someone who might not get it in a year... sorry. I will do my best to be milder tho. Good style, thank you..I know how you feel though, trust me -Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right
Happster Polaris Project	Posted - 2006.11.16 16:49:00 - [95] I dont really get it why ppl is so against Carebears... I guess i am a carabear too.....but on the other side...i dont got a rich uncle who can poor isk in to my wallet so i can join the pvp fight or wars.... So basicly i need some sort of income so i can take part in the fightings.... No isk, no ships, skills or equipments, wars, pvp or whatever.....So to me being a carabear is a must....without it theres really no game for me...
Stinky Spaniel	Posted - 2006.11.16 16:50:00 - [96] Edited by: Stinky Spaniel on 16/11/2006 16:52:01 If you want to find out why some people play this game and avoid human interaction, go ask them, if you can get in contact with them. Everyone has their own reasons, and thats just fine Yes you are right, im not sure what Mr Black Scorpian was going on about. Too much coffee or sugar perhaps. And your answer for me asking a question you dont know is that I go play WOW ?!? lol
Cadela Fria Amarr eXin Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.16 16:50:00 - [97] Originally by: Black Scorpio Originally by: Stinky Spaniel Edited by: Stinky Spaniel on 16/11/2006 16:40:25 Originally by: Black Scorpio Originally by: Stinky Spaniel THat does not even make sense and just makes my point even more. What has wow got to do with this, it is another MMO and probably has the same ups and downs as EVE? Are you saying if there was a PvE only EVE server you would prefer that ? or the PVP only one not sure which game type you are into. We already have seperate areas for PvE and PVP its called low and High sec. I Completely dont understand your posts contribution to the discussion. Sorry. Why would anyone want to pay $150+ a year for a solo player game with very limited content? NO I am SAYING that for people that are faced with these ALIEN ideas in EvE, you should go play WoW (much the same way you advise other players of EvE, who actually like the game the way it is and respect others in it, to go play other game titles). Because in WoW afaik, there are dedicated server for each person play style, so ppl with limited cognitive abilities do not feel ALIENATED !!! Ok fair enougth, i have some work to do so my last post, but why do players of any MMO play online games when all they intend to do is play them solo or with 2nd accounts?? Why not simply play a similar off line game for free if there is no interaction with other human players. Obviously some people love MSORPGs, Massivley solo online role playing games, and again finally i find this concept strange and Alien. Im not sure why you keep prattling on about WoW. Whats so good about that game that everyone refers to it so much? Im sure that MMORPG also has many MSORPGers. I dont think i said everyone solos the game? i asked those that do, why do they ?? Why so hostile? calm down and be constructive. To CADELA.. see why I'm harsh.. the guy is asking THE SAME QUESTION AGAIN.. I mean.. how much of the same answer should I give them.. and keep explaining ??? Maybe you can take over nicely... To Stinky.. Well buddy, I/we do NOT and ARE not going to play another game because I/we LIKE EvE. Is that a good enough reason for you or you'd like some world impacting reason to understand that people do things because people like things... I know, I know..I made a short reply if you look up, because evidently, getting into long explanatory posts will make the point lost. Truth be told, the questions he asks are unanswerable unless you go ask the actual people who play by themselves...but one simple answer though as a substitute, is people play for all their own reasons, and thats percetly fine. -Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right
Pirate Tom	Posted - 2006.11.16 16:51:00 - [98] The answer to everything! Re-enslave the Matari! ... Or genocide.. I forget which works better.
Cadela Fria Amarr eXin Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.16 16:52:00 - [99] Originally by: Happster I dont really get it why ppl is so against Carebears... I guess i am a carabear too.....but on the other side...i dont got a rich uncle who can poor isk in to my wallet so i can join the pvp fight or wars.... So basicly i need some sort of income so i can take part in the fightings.... No isk, no ships, skills or equipments, wars, pvp or whatever.....So to me being a carabear is a must....without it theres really no game for me... Read my long post on page 3 about the greatest misconception of this thread -Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.16 16:53:00 - [100] Originally by: Weirda carebear is good eating! I think this is really the easiest way to look at it. starts chewing left arm ---------- IBTL \o/
Pirate Tom	Posted - 2006.11.16 16:55:00 - [101] Gallente Carebears have a slightly more exotic flavor.. whereas Minmatar are more like beef jerky and keep better on long trips.
Zeknichov Amarr Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.16 16:57:00 - [102] Edited by: Zeknichov on 16/11/2006 16:59:31 Originally by: Sovereign533 there is lots to say to the word 'Carebear'... what really is an 'carebear'? a fluffy bear? well, on tv, probaly... in Eve, no... i like to think that carebears are nothing but egocentric ppl who don't care about anything exept their own wallet... like joining an alliance, doing nothing but hunt npc's or mine for their own profit... i wanted to highlight this because npc'ing and mining isn't bad... you need isk to buy t2 modules, skills etc... you need minerals to build ships, ammo, modules etc... while industrialists are a better word... i still say '** carebears', and i really hate them... but i love industrialists... i need my ships, i need ammo even more... we keep these industrialists in our alliances and low sec corporations, because we need them... we provide protection, the best belts... and help them when needed... and the industrialist can do what he/she likes best... mine all day, build all day, research all day... and ofcourse, this industrialist also needs money... but a Tier 2 Battleship for 90mil isk, isn't that bad... it won't be as much as the 108mil for them... but i think it's a small price to pay... as an industrialist, you have loyal customers that do anything to try to protect you... the price i stated, it's just an example... all i mean to say with this is that i don't pay the full price of an industrialist when i help protecting his belts... everything wants something in return for their efforts... don't you? what is your oppinion about this? We all seem to have our own definition of a carebear. Yours is well, more of the definition of an *****. Carebears by definition should not even play EVE. Carebears are someone who when an MMO is an development they argue against any form of meaningful PvP. I don't know what better way to compare carebear to not carebear rather then stating. EVE and Shadowbane are at the top when it comes to PvP systems. WoW battlegrounds is the perfect definition of carebear. In EVE you can LOSE at PvP. When you die you lose isk, no one has an unlimited supply of isk, eventually someone loses a war/fight. In WoW it's zerg zerg zerg zerg zerg kekekekekekekekekekkeke until you're bored. That is carebear. Meaningful PvP = PvPer PvP without meaning = Carebear Meaning is defined as the capability to FORCE both a gain or loss on another. If I can't make someone lose something or if I cannot make myself gain something then PvP has no meaning. When you hear someone say "The fun of PvP in the joy of fighting" (a popular phrase in the WoW community,) it's merely an excuse for a carebear PvP system. Yes the fun is in the fight but it's the aftermath of the fight that gives PvP meaning and keeps players playing.
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.16 16:59:00 - [103] The word carebear should never ever be used. It means something at least slightly different to absolutely everyone. ---------- IBTL \o/
Pirate Tom	Posted - 2006.11.16 17:00:00 - [104] Carebear gumbo, carebear kabobs, carebear scampi, grilled carebear, carebear tartar...
Cadela Fria Amarr eXin Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.16 17:01:00 - [105] Originally by: Pirate Tom Carebear gumbo, carebear kabobs, carebear scampi, grilled carebear, carebear tartar... ....mouthwater drippling....grabs Zealot and flies off to hunt carebears -Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.16 17:01:00 - [106] Oh FFS I'm actually hungry now ---------- IBTL \o/
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2006.11.16 17:03:00 - [107] Originally by: Stinky Spaniel If you want to find out why some people play this game and avoid human interaction, go ask them, if you can get in contact with them. Everyone has their own reasons, and thats just fine Yes you are right, im not sure what Mr Black Scorpian was going on about. Too much coffee or sugar perhaps. Well if you bothered to read my post you would, I will quote that for you but don't have the time to bother, ready above, should this post be 11 pages of the same quotes so you can FINALLY read what people are trying to tell you? and the reason as I said and is simple (here I'll put in in a separate line below for you:) People like to do what they please in a GAME world. There are different likes as there are different people. Therefore there are things that you will not understand, simply because people think in a different way and like different things. You may not understand it, however is as valid in game as what you like to do! Hope I am explaining this good enough to you!
Pirate Tom	Posted - 2006.11.16 17:04:00 - [108] Remember all you carebear iron chefs out there... you must heat the inside of a carebear to at least 14,000,000¦Kelvin or else you might catch something. The liberal application of filT and some paprika helps too.
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2006.11.16 17:06:00 - [109] remember though a diehard industrialist PvPs just not with a laser and cruise launcher. the market is a rough place where ISK can be lost in greater volumes then raw combat.
Agent Li Galactic Defence Consortium	Posted - 2006.11.16 17:07:00 - [110] Originally by: Crumplecorn Oh FFS I'm actually hungry now Fire, Fusion, and Steel? Which version?
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2006.11.16 17:07:00 - [111] Blasted :) with all this food talk you got me hungry, .. good for me it's almost lunch time :D I am thinking a double mushroom and swiss cheese burger with tomatoes, lettuce and roasted peppers ftw hehe.. Oh about carebears.. here's how they look and they're fluffy
Seine State War Academy	Posted - 2006.11.16 17:07:00 - [112] Edited by: Seine on 16/11/2006 17:09:14 First off, get your information correct! Carebear is someone who prefers not to pvp. all the other random definitions people come up with are wrong. Make up a word for whatever you want to call people, but don't missues a word with a lot of Stigma already. Second, the people whinning about carebears not pvping, those type of people are THE REASON I DON'T PVP. I have been a carebear all my MMO life, I always prefer running missions, collection loot...etc. I certainly don't hate the ** pvpers, I just don't talk to them, I don't try to convince them that they are playing the game wrong. Some PvPers hate anyone who plays differently than them. With every new generation of people playing MMOs the hate for Carebears is being bred into people, this is very frightening to me. What happens in a few years or a decade with the new crop of MMO pvpers hate carebears so much for reason they don't even know? This is just plain ol' factional hate of any group that is different. I am very disapointed in all of you, and I don't trust any of you ***** guys. I am bound to get flamed for this. anyone who thinks anything but the pvp "party" line does.
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2006.11.16 17:08:00 - [113] Originally by: Black Scorpio Blasted :) with all this food talk you got me hungry, .. good for me it's almost lunch time :D I am thinking a double mushroom and swiss cheese burger with tomatoes, lettuce and roasted peppers ftw hehe.. Oh about carebears.. here's how they look and they're fluffy Yes, I'll have fries with that too
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.16 17:09:00 - [114] Originally by: Agent Li Originally by: Crumplecorn Oh FFS I'm actually hungry now Fire, Fusion, and Steel? Which version? +QuT? ---------- IBTL \o/
Agent Li Galactic Defence Consortium	Posted - 2006.11.16 17:11:00 - [115] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Agent Li Originally by: Crumplecorn Oh FFS I'm actually hungry now Fire, Fusion, and Steel? Which version? +QuT? From the ancient days.... http://www.electric-rain.net/Traveller/default.htm
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2006.11.16 17:20:00 - [116] Good I think this meaningless LABEL of a thread is about done now, lets all go to lunch/dinner or whatever we like to do, or maybe read one of the more meaningful posts out there! GL to you all and have fun in EvE!
Pirate Tom	Posted - 2006.11.16 17:37:00 - [117] I win!
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.16 17:39:00 - [118] Originally by: Pirate Tom I win! You what? ---------- IBTL \o/
Shayla Etherodyne	Posted - 2006.11.16 17:40:00 - [119] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Agent Li Originally by: Crumplecorn Oh FFS I'm actually hungry now Fire, Fusion, and Steel? Which version? +QuT? Traveller RPG
Cadela Fria Amarr eXin Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.16 17:41:00 - [120] Originally by: Black Scorpio Originally by: Stinky Spaniel If you want to find out why some people play this game and avoid human interaction, go ask them, if you can get in contact with them. Everyone has their own reasons, and thats just fine Yes you are right, im not sure what Mr Black Scorpian was going on about. Too much coffee or sugar perhaps. Well if you bothered to read my post you would, I will quote that for you but don't have the time to bother, ready above, should this post be 11 pages of the same quotes so you can FINALLY read what people are trying to tell you? and the reason as I said and is simple (here I'll put in in a separate line below for you:) People like to do what they please in a GAME world. There are different likes as there are different people. Therefore there are things that you will not understand, simply because people think in a different way and like different things. You may not understand it, however is as valid in game as what you like to do! Hope I am explaining this good enough to you! Uh...misunderstanding here!! I was agreeing with Black Scorpion, not you Stinky Spaniel -Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right

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