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Peter Stuyvesant Amarr	Posted - 2006.11.16 13:18:00 - [31] There's two words that SHOULD be censored on these forums: carebear and griefer. Lets try to have a discussion about different playstyles in Eve without using these overused, cliched and highly ambiguous terms, and we might actually get somewhere. Don't call me Carebear, Griefer Don't call me Griefer, Carebear (With apologies to Sly and the Family Stone)
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.11.16 13:29:00 - [32] Edited by: Plutoinum on 16/11/2006 13:29:49 My personal definition of negative Carebears: - someone, who wants his rewards on a silver platter - someone, who wants to be left alone / not be disturbed by other players, while he plays 'his' game and whines, if it doesn't work this way - someone, who 'cheats' to avoid consequences and says it's ok, because he doesn't like how the game works ( 'I logged in that bubble, because I was outnumbered and that wasn't fair.' ... Should better play a medieval knight game with fair tournament 1-vs-1, if that exists. We all die outnumbered and outgunned sometimes. Part of the game. Cry me a river ! ) Carebear without negative meaning: Players, who don't follow pvp activities primarily cdt/con-loss vs. regular log-out. A proposal ...
Thoris Levithar Gallente Gadget Factory	Posted - 2006.11.16 13:32:00 - [33] Carebear: I'd say anyone who avoids fighting for the sake of fighting (fighting because you CAN). Not people who avoid risk in general. I'm a carebear
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.16 13:32:00 - [34] Originally by: Galk A word that only exists in the online gamers vocab. Simple as.... Because i play the game the way i do (that selfish/greedy Individual portraid in the op) Iv'e been called a gutless carebear coward quite a few times in the game and on the forum..... when thats aimed me, i see it as nothing but a personal insult tbh.. Within the world of eve is the only place i ever get called that, or thought of in that manner and way. It never happens when im out with my friends, not when im at work... and certainly not when i was serving my country with a gun in my hand, and the voluntary and charity work iv'e done off my own back in the last 15 years. Ofc the real coward isn't behind my screen. I think someone has issues.... ---------- IBTL \o/
DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2006.11.16 13:34:00 - [35] Edited by: DarkMatter on 16/11/2006 13:35:14 Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Galk A word that only exists in the online gamers vocab. Simple as.... Because i play the game the way i do (that selfish/greedy Individual portraid in the op) Iv'e been called a gutless carebear coward quite a few times in the game and on the forum..... when thats aimed me, i see it as nothing but a personal insult tbh.. Within the world of eve is the only place i ever get called that, or thought of in that manner and way. It never happens when im out with my friends, not when im at work... and certainly not when i was serving my country with a gun in my hand, and the voluntary and charity work iv'e done off my own back in the last 15 years. Ofc the real coward isn't behind my screen. I think someone has issues.... Actually Galk made a very good statement there, you're the one who has issues... You're just flaming a bunch of posts this morning, like you're bitter about something...
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.16 13:38:00 - [36] Originally by: DarkMatter Edited by: DarkMatter on 16/11/2006 13:35:14 Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Galk A word that only exists in the online gamers vocab. Simple as.... Because i play the game the way i do (that selfish/greedy Individual portraid in the op) Iv'e been called a gutless carebear coward quite a few times in the game and on the forum..... when thats aimed me, i see it as nothing but a personal insult tbh.. Within the world of eve is the only place i ever get called that, or thought of in that manner and way. It never happens when im out with my friends, not when im at work... and certainly not when i was serving my country with a gun in my hand, and the voluntary and charity work iv'e done off my own back in the last 15 years. Ofc the real coward isn't behind my screen. I think someone has issues.... Actually Galk made a very good statement there, you're the one who has issues... You're just flaming a bunch of posts this morning, like you're bitter about something... I'm just bored and haven't got any threads to post constructively in I have no issues (atm), but the whole "people call me a <insert label> but I've served my country etc etc in RL" line possibly suggests someone who needs a thicker skin..... ---------- IBTL \o/
Galk Gallente Autumn Tactics	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:01:00 - [37] Ohh im fine tbh.... (well aside my hands and arms feeling like there in traction from last nights aggression at the karting track... and ofc my head feeling like a stone from the celebrations that went on till early in the morning for coming 2nd to last) My point was those who generaly categorize individuals personal affections with generic term because of the way they choose to go about themselfs in a computer game, in general don't have any conception or insight into that individual. Me highlighing my personal circumstances and unselfish achivements as a person that falls fowl to those blinkerd taunts was mearly a sign of frustration of peoples ignorance. ______
DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:05:00 - [38] Edited by: DarkMatter on 16/11/2006 14:05:56 Quote: I have no issues (atm), but the whole "people call me a <insert label> but I've served my country etc etc in RL" line possibly suggests someone who needs a thicker skin..... So you have something against ppl who serve their county in the military? I tend to think they deserve more respect than most ppl who are afraid to serve, and you don't seem to want to show any, kind of speaks about maybe some issues you have...
Sovereign533 Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:16:00 - [39] hehe, to make something clear... i didnt intend to flame anybody... well, maybe only the ppl i like to call 'carebears' ... but that wasn't really my point... a lot of ppl generalise the word 'carebear' for anybody who doesn't do PvP... and devide them into good and negative... i for one, really don't like to go mining all day... i would bore my arse off... once every month is ok with me, i can just handle that... but these industrialist, do it all day... and i for one appreciate that... i'll do my share in protecting/helping... they make my ships and stuff... it's a balance... they build, i lose/use, i buy... Originally by: Sovereign533 Time will tell, sooner or later, time will tell... Second sig removed, only 1 signature graphic please - Xorus ^_^WOOHOO!!! my Sig finally got nerfed...
Zephyr Mallory Limberry Aegis GmbH	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:18:00 - [40] CCP could probably cut number of threads in half if you removed two types of threads... 1.) I hate everyone who doesn't play the game like Ithink they should, they should be forced to play my way. 2.) This game isn't specifically tailored to my demanding playstyle, fix it or RIP - my account after next cycle. Some people don't like fighting for the sake of fighting. Some people can't surive going more than 15 minutes without killing someone else, with or without a reason. Some people are happy playing George Jetson, mashing the button and watching something pop out. Some people prefer to hunt NPCs because it doesn't hurt another player when you blow up a Guristas battleship. Some people like to steal from people so they don't have to earn it legitimately. Some people would rather play the market and become tycoons and multi-bazillionaires. Some people prefer to post complaints about how the game isn't exactly what they want in the belief that their opinions, simply because they're now voiced in text, outweigh the opinions of the other couple hundred thousand players whose unspoken opinion screams we love this game as it is in deafening silence each time they log in and start to have fun. okay. your play style is best? q.e.d. post script- CCP could remove another 30-40% of the forum DB if they moved Dark Shikari's posts to a seperate hard drive.

Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:19:00 - [41] Originally by: Galk Ohh im fine tbh.... (well aside my hands and arms feeling like there in traction from last nights aggression at the karting track... and ofc my head feeling like a stone from the celebrations that went on till early in the morning for coming 2nd to last) My point was those who generaly categorize individuals personal affections with generic term because of the way they choose to go about themselfs in a computer game, in general don't have any conception or insight into that individual. Me highlighing my personal circumstances and unselfish achivements as a person that falls fowl to those blinkerd taunts was mearly a sign of frustration of peoples ignorance. In that case I stand corrected ---------- IBTL \o/
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:24:00 - [42] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 16/11/2006 14:25:22 Edited by: Crumplecorn on 16/11/2006 14:25:02 Originally by: DarkMatter Edited by: DarkMatter on 16/11/2006 14:05:56 Quote: I have no issues (atm), but the whole "people call me a <insert label> but I've served my country etc etc in RL" line possibly suggests someone who needs a thicker skin..... So you have something against ppl who serve their county in the military? I tend to think they deserve more respect than most ppl who are afraid to serve, and you don't seem to want to show any, kind of speaks about maybe some issues you have... You have a gift for missing the point. Since I've got nothing better to do I'll elaborate. Some people who have a thin skin and get insulted in games fall back on postive things about their RL selves as a defense, as they take it all too seriously. This was not the case this time. ---------- IBTL \o/
AlleyKat Gallente The Avalon Foundation	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:29:00 - [43] My opinion about carebears is this:- Without them, the economy would collapse resulting in huge reductions in the cost of "I want one of those" items; Macro miners / isk farmers would leave the game in droves; the average people logged in would drop to pre-2005 levels; Alliances would be hard at work mining ice 24/7; Jita would become a ghost-town; the WOW subscription base would become flooded with gank-savvy ex-eve-o-lites; the resulting migration yields a new-born clan of ex-eve carebears who infest every server and take over; The resulting drain on the Blizzard infrastructure requires a massive upgrade and they adopt a supercomputer capable of 500 billion giga-ganks per second; Within two years, the WOW SuperComputer becomes self-aware and teaches itself the power to cast spells across information databases and primes an attack on 0.0; In a bid to defend themselves the alliances band together and prepare for an attack; TomB comes out of retirement after two years learning nerf-bat martial arts at a secret location in deep Mongolia; after much Quafe, he steals the nerfbat from Tux, recodes Tranquilty so he can use his bat in the CCP holosuite - and joins the battle; after 3 days of battle without DT and support from BoB, TomB makes a killing blow to the uber-titan the Super-computer created; the resulting impact of the blow destroys the internet and all computers in the world, forcing everyone to watch television... In short, a pretty bad nightmare.
Frygok	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:32:00 - [44] I have to say I very much believe that alot of people are carebears not of their own choice. For instance, few of the 0.0 PvP corps/alliances would ever want a stupid newbie in their corp/alliance, so new players join the friendly empire-based corps who don't look at SP and PvP experience, but look at the players as a person and sees potential. And when said newbie finally get the skills to be worthwhile to have for the 0.0 pvp corps, why should that person leave friends behind, just because some "nber-PvP god alliance" suddenly realises that the players SP and ships would prove valuable to them. Personally, my only experience with low sec space and pvp was to get killed by 5 pirates who were 3 years old, when I had to fly to a station that had a skillbook. I lost my shuttle, and that was that. I can't see why I should go out to 0.0 to be the laughing stock of the PvP'ers.
DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:35:00 - [45] Edited by: DarkMatter on 16/11/2006 14:36:50 Originally by: Crumplecorn Edited by: Crumplecorn on 16/11/2006 14:25:22 Edited by: Crumplecorn on 16/11/2006 14:25:02 Originally by: DarkMatter Edited by: DarkMatter on 16/11/2006 14:05:56 Quote: I have no issues (atm), but the whole "people call me a <insert label> but I've served my country etc etc in RL" line possibly suggests someone who needs a thicker skin..... So you have something against ppl who serve their county in the military? I tend to think they deserve more respect than most ppl who are afraid to serve, and you don't seem to want to show any, kind of speaks about maybe some issues you have... You have a gift for missing the point. Since I've got nothing better to do I'll elaborate. Some people who have a thin skin and get insulted in games fall back on postive things about their RL selves as a defense, as they take it all too seriously. This was not the case this time. I don't believe that any player separates himself from the game 100%, maybe there are true RP'ers who do, but they would be very rare IMO. Anyone who forms an opinion on how someone else plays the game (like you have)is not disconnecting themselves from the game world 100%. So yes, falling back on RL experiences that may affect game play in one way or another cannot totally be ignored... So I did not miss any point, you tried to attack/flame a player, not simply an avatar...
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:40:00 - [46] Originally by: DarkMatter Edited by: DarkMatter on 16/11/2006 14:36:50 Originally by: Crumplecorn Edited by: Crumplecorn on 16/11/2006 14:25:22 Edited by: Crumplecorn on 16/11/2006 14:25:02 Originally by: DarkMatter Edited by: DarkMatter on 16/11/2006 14:05:56 Quote: I have no issues (atm), but the whole "people call me a <insert label> but I've served my country etc etc in RL" line possibly suggests someone who needs a thicker skin..... So you have something against ppl who serve their county in the military? I tend to think they deserve more respect than most ppl who are afraid to serve, and you don't seem to want to show any, kind of speaks about maybe some issues you have... You have a gift for missing the point. Since I've got nothing better to do I'll elaborate. Some people who have a thin skin and get insulted in games fall back on postive things about their RL selves as a defense, as they take it all too seriously. This was not the case this time. I don't believe that any player separates himself from the game 100%, maybe there are true RP'ers who do, but they would be very rare IMO. Anyone who forms an opinion on how someone else plays the game (like you have)is not disconnecting themselves from the game world 100%. So yes, falling back on RL experiences that may affect game play in one way or another cannot totally be ignored... So I did not miss any point, you tried to attack/flame a player, not simply an avatar... That may be what you actually thought, but what you wrote was that you thought I had something against people in the military. Which was missing my point. Which was simply it looked like someone was taking in-game insults far too seriously. ---------- IBTL \o/
DeadDuck Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:42:00 - [47] I pretty much agree with the topic starter. Nothing against miners and so on in 0 space when I know that they are working for the alliance. If they need help I run to help. The ones that dont do nothing more then working for their wallet... I have to say that even in the same alliance I have to control my self to not blow them away
Zephyr Mallory Limberry Aegis GmbH	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:42:00 - [48] Yoohoo- the topic's over there.
Fork Boy	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:43:00 - [49] Blimey, OP you really have a bee in your bonnet about something huh? I am an Eve player. I pay CCP my money, and I play the game how I like. Who are you to tell me otherwise? Do you pay CCP extra and in return they allow you to dictate how others play the game? >what is your oppinion about this? Play Eve less, go to school more. ================================= A fork is a cold, shiny tool To pierce, tear and ingest. Whoever has the fork in hand Controls the meal of their choice.
Zephyr Mallory Limberry Aegis GmbH	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:49:00 - [50] Originally by: DeadDuck Nothing against miners and so on in 0 space when I know that they are working for the alliance. If they need help I run to help. The ones that dont do nothing more then working for their wallet... I have to say that even in the same alliance I have to control my self to not blow them away So let me get this straight.. if I decided I wanted to play eve and get rich and sit mining all day long- just because I didn't want to share with people but instead decided to sell the results of my time on the market for profit... I'm a bad guy and should be blown away?

DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:49:00 - [51] Edited by: DarkMatter on 16/11/2006 14:54:32 Getting back OT. I have both industrialist and 0.0 PvP characters, currently training a low sec PvP'er as well. I enjoy them all, and being a part time player, I could never enjoy the PvP in this game if I didn't have my empire space industrialists. Given the fact that most alliances don't give part time players leeway to make ISK, as rat hunting & mining for personal gain are severely frowned upon, there's no other way for me to make do... And as far as opinions on game mechanics, and lobbying for change. Chances are, no matter what side you're on, if you post on the forums, you want to see something changed in your favor...
DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:53:00 - [52] Originally by: Zephyr Mallory Originally by: DeadDuck Nothing against miners and so on in 0 space when I know that they are working for the alliance. If they need help I run to help. The ones that dont do nothing more then working for their wallet... I have to say that even in the same alliance I have to control my self to not blow them away So let me get this straight.. if I decided I wanted to play eve and get rich and sit mining all day long- just because I didn't want to share with people but instead decided to sell the results of my time on the market for profit... I'm a bad guy and should be blown away? That is how some feel yes, they feel you're not playing the game as intended. Same as how some players feel a high sec suicide ganker is not playing as intended. It's up to CCP to balance this out...
DeadDuck Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:53:00 - [53] Originally by: Fork Boy Blimey, OP you really have a bee in your bonnet about something huh? I am an Eve player. I pay CCP my money, and I play the game how I like. Who are you to tell me otherwise? Do you pay CCP extra and in return they allow you to dictate how others play the game? >what is your oppinion about this? Play Eve less, go to school more. Well nothing wrong in playing the game how you want. You have empire for that... In 0 space you have to work has a team or you will nopt be there for long. When a player doesnt act like a team member but requires from the same team that he's not willing to help , protection, land and so on ... well maybe is better to saty in empire
Zephyr Mallory Limberry Aegis GmbH	Posted - 2006.11.16 15:00:00 - [54] DarkMatter: I just wish people would realise ... Playing the game as intended involves logging in and doing anything you want...(short of exploiting glitches and bugs and or abusive behavior).
DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2006.11.16 15:05:00 - [55] Originally by: Zephyr Mallory DarkMatter: I just wish people would realise ... Playing the game as intended involves logging in and doing anything you want...(short of exploiting glitches and bugs and or abusive behavior). I would like world piece too, but that's not going to happen anytime soon... Neither will peace between these contrasting play styles ever take place, in EVE or any MMO until a game company can find out how to fully integrate PvP & PvE seamlessly... Some players hate others for mining in empire all day, others hate players who control 0.0 space and gank anyone who they please... I'm not sure those feelings of hatred will ever go away. It's what leads to so many debates on the forums, and between the DEV's too I'm sure... Throw in game mechanics that cheaters on both sides try to exploit, and you have EVE... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE
Efour Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.11.16 15:06:00 - [56] You can really see peoples mental age when they begin to argue in a thread like this. EvE is so like UO its not funny we have Trammy empire .5 and above space and fel below it. West brit bank is Jita East brit bank is Rens. The PvE lovers and Some indsutrial people, often refered to as carebears by the fellucians. That dont share the same lust for often mindless killing and enjoy collecting faction ships and ammounting vast fortunes. The very fabric of the game promotes carebear type play style. Becoming a profesional pirate or PK is a big commitment and to many its just to harsh a penalty to accept with a charcter that can take a year to train. I personaly know a few "carebears" with some extremely violent split personalities and ruthless -10 pvp killer alts calling people egotisctical maniacs, because they dont want the same goal from the game as your FPS style combat is just bizzare to me. Games need there carebear lands of they become complete and utter mindless gankfest, grey con massacres. look at the DAOC free for all PVP servers, if they are still even running?! its was horrid. There has to be a balance, but because of the constant dumbing down of MMOs since UO people expect there to be a safe carebear zone. You cant balce it its either tram or fel... you just cannot have a middle ground anymore the game wouldnt survive without carebears, but it would without PVPers.. so love your carebears and love the loot they drop when theres no choice but to go through a .4 system :)
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.16 15:07:00 - [57] I tend to think this game would be a total wreck if we didn't have the industrialist carebears. Warp Drive Active \| EVE: Nature Vraie
Zephyr Mallory Limberry Aegis GmbH	Posted - 2006.11.16 15:07:00 - [58] guess it's kinda like getting the PRC and ROC to recognise each other as sovereign nations. Both think they're the only China and get ****ed off when the rest of the world says 'huh? I see 2 countries..."
DeadDuck Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.16 15:13:00 - [59] Originally by: Zephyr Mallory Edited by: Zephyr Mallory on 16/11/2006 14:57:05 Originally by: DeadDuck Nothing against miners and so on in 0 space when I know that they are working for the alliance. If they need help I run to help. The ones that dont do nothing more then working for their wallet... I have to say that even in the same alliance I have to control my self to not blow them away So let me get this straight.. if I decided I wanted to play eve and get rich and sit mining all day long- just because I didn't want to share with people but instead decided to sell the results of my time on the market for profit... I'm a bad guy and should be blown away? I get enough of being told what to do at work every day. I like being able to play a game with friends and do what we feel is fun- which is not what everyone else thinks is fun. I am restricting this to 0 space... if you want to stay there and get stinking rich working only for yourself, you can only make that because there are other players that are working together to protect the area. In the end your results are only possible because someone is risking their assets or corp assets on behalf of the entire alliance - alliance = big number of players -. So if you are taking your self all the advantages of being in a dangerous place but you are not willing to raise a finger to help anyone except your self, you are nothing more then a parasite for the alliance...
Agent Li Galactic Defence Consortium	Posted - 2006.11.16 15:15:00 - [60] Originally by: Efour I personaly know a few "carebears" with some extremely violent split personalities and ruthless -10 pvp killer alts A reasonable way to pay for the ships you lose in PvP...



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