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Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:47:00 - [31] Originally by: nync Just got reply from senior GM stating that tower keeps claiming sovereignty while it is online, even in reinforced mode. thks for your replies. cya in space tbh that is outrageous - Gob Originally by: SirMolle ASCN is feeling the cold, chilling tendrils of fear creep into the hearts of their alliance.
Buxaroo Black Dwarf Caldari Deep Space Industral	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:48:00 - [32] ****, I just installed a clone in 1V with a Scorp.....guess I cna do a suicide run with my scorp against goonies....should score about 10 kills before a node crash or 20 goons attack me
Eleese Caldari Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:49:00 - [33] Originally by: nync Just got reply from senior GM stating that tower keeps claiming sovereignty while it is online, even in reinforced mode. thks for your replies. cya in space Thats nice but it doesnt. lol
nync UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:52:00 - [34] Originally by: Eleese Originally by: nync Just got reply from senior GM stating that tower keeps claiming sovereignty while it is online, even in reinforced mode. thks for your replies. cya in space Thats nice but it doesnt. lol I can't post full GM's FATE reply , since it's forbidden, but he clearly states that it does. RA senior pos manager
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:54:00 - [35] Edited by: Plutoinum on 16/11/2006 14:55:56 Don't know about the rules. But things getting interesting. 1v isn't JLO, 1v has been our main operational base / fortress over many months. When I joined -V- in March, I never moved my stuff from Curse to Great Wildlands, Veritas' Old Home Region, but moved directly to the main war base in Scalding Pass. Like I said, this isn't JLO. Good luck to all, but more to us ! cdt/con-loss vs. regular log-out. A proposal ...
Stahlregen GoonWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:56:00 - [36] Originally by: Plutoinum Edited by: Plutoinum on 16/11/2006 14:54:40 Don't know about the rules. But things getting interesting. 1v isn't JLO, 1v has been our main operational base / fortress over many months. When I joined -V- in March, I never moved my stuff from Curse to Great Wildlands, Veritas Old Home Region, but moved directly to the main war base in Scalding Pass. Like I said, this isn't JLO. Good luck to all, but more to us ! What the hell does this have to do with anything?
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:58:00 - [37] Edited by: Plutoinum on 16/11/2006 15:07:37 Originally by: Stahlregen What the hell does this have to do with anything? It has, this is the corps & alliances forum. I don't care about sovereignty rules in this moment and how the GMs decide. I care about the coming fights. But you're a goon ... /edit ok, thread got moved now ^^ cdt/con-loss vs. regular log-out. A proposal ...
Fubear Vogon Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:59:00 - [38] Originally by: nync Just got reply from senior GM stating that tower keeps claiming sovereignty while it is online, even in reinforced mode. Since when? MC were hammering IAC just a couple of weeks ago and they state in this very thread that they reset SOV to neutral by taking down all the towers in a System. If the rules have changed in the last few weeks, and POS warfare has been stealth nerfed, I will be very unhappy with CCP. If I had given up the time to POS siege 5 towers, and then have this dumped on me I would be doubly upset. I am glad that I got out of the whole POS warfare game a long time ago. It was broken 6 months ago, and only appears to be worse now. This really needs some developer clarification.
Happydayz FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.16 15:01:00 - [39] Originally by: Hoshi The 5 days rule was introduced so you just couldn't spam in more pos in the system then the current owner had and then take the station without attacking a single pos. Introduced, ironically enough, to counter RA lameness
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.11.16 15:04:00 - [40] I normally refrain from posting on eve-o except in cases of gross incompetence by CCP staff, such as this one. In this case, my sources inform me that this is a simple code bug, but it is not within CCP's power to fix it without rebooting the server. That's fine: admit it is a bug and move on. What I do find most bothersome is that CCP GMs are apparently telling people that the rules are different about sovereignty now, essentially proclaiming the sky to be green when all of us POS warriors know it to be blue, rather than having the guts to simply admit that it's a bug and that they can't fix it without rebooting the server, which they are unwilling to do. This is a very poor move from a marketing perspective on CCP's part. You can't alter the rules on the fly to cover for shoddy coding; it doesn't build confidence in the consumer. If you have a bug, admit it and we'll move on. Don't try to pull the wool over our eyes with this 'hurr reinforced pos's count for sov' nonsense.

DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.16 15:20:00 - [41] Originally by: nync Edited by: nync on 16/11/2006 14:11:11 Originally by: Nifel A POS that's in reinforced can't claim sovereignty. So if they're in reinforced mode before/after dt sovereignty should drop in the system and you can take the station. If you don't kill the POS:es though they'll just claim the system again next dt. You are wrong. According to GM Q POS IN REINFORSED MODE CLAIMS SOVEREIGNTY. And you shouldn't be able to take station. It's an exploit according to CCP and you can petiton if it happens. Question is closed, thks for you replies, finally got answer grom GM after waiting for 2 hours. He isn't wrong nync, that's simply the way it has worked up until now. If that has changed with a stealth move from CCP then fair enough, however we need some clarification from CCP on this. However, I think it's a good move albiet one that hinders us rather than helping us. It would mean that peeps with strong DT prescence can't simply batter every pos into reinforced 5 minutes before DT then take the station after DT. You would need to plan and siege the system for longer. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Eleese Caldari Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.16 15:28:00 - [42] Originally by: nync Originally by: Eleese Originally by: nync Just got reply from senior GM stating that tower keeps claiming sovereignty while it is online, even in reinforced mode. thks for your replies. cya in space Thats nice but it doesnt. lol I can't post full GM's FATE reply , since it's forbidden, but he clearly states that it does. So its been stealth nerfed in? or what because 2 or so weeks ago it didn't work that way. So if the gm is saying that he is either wrong or ccp needs to improve its communication significantly. I mean someone could easily plan a similar attack style to what mc used and find oh **** they still got sovereignty.
nync UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.16 15:37:00 - [43] Edited by: nync on 16/11/2006 15:41:15 Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: nync Edited by: nync on 16/11/2006 14:11:11 Originally by: Nifel A POS that's in reinforced can't claim sovereignty. So if they're in reinforced mode before/after dt sovereignty should drop in the system and you can take the station. If you don't kill the POS:es though they'll just claim the system again next dt. You are wrong. According to GM Q POS IN REINFORSED MODE CLAIMS SOVEREIGNTY. And you shouldn't be able to take station. It's an exploit according to CCP and you can petiton if it happens. Question is closed, thks for you replies, finally got answer grom GM after waiting for 2 hours. He isn't wrong nync, that's simply the way it has worked up until now. If that has changed with a stealth move from CCP then fair enough, however we need some clarification from CCP on this. However, I think it's a good move albiet one that hinders us rather than helping us. It would mean that peeps with strong DT prescence can't simply batter every pos into reinforced 5 minutes before DT then take the station after DT. You would need to plan and siege the system for longer. dbp Strategy was planned based on the system we though active atm of assault. I do believe that such changes MUST be made public before they take place. And the way customer support was dealing with my petition is absolutely awfull. RA senior pos manager
Fi T'Zeh Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.16 15:38:00 - [44] If it is now the case that POS in reinforced mode continue to claim sov then that's a pretty huge seismic shift in mechanicsm from what has been the case for the last few months. Something you'd expect to be mentioned in a patch note somewhere. Clarification from a DEV would be appreciated ASAP. There are a number of conflicts occuring in the EVE universe at the moment that are extremely sensitive to this particular game mechanic. .... Real men use blasters
Valen L'eganas Gallente Nun Amun Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.11.16 15:42:00 - [45] Edited by: Valen L''eganas on 16/11/2006 15:43:50 Edited by: Valen L''eganas on 16/11/2006 15:42:51 Yes, clarification is needed. I'm shure you guys are fed up with playing 'Pong-Station-1.0'. If someone has a strategy implented based on game mechanics from which no GM can give a straight and clear awnser. We might as well stop training for dreads and train up mining skills or whatever, cause POS warfare to gain sov is useless as it is now. Did I use the 'M' word!!? ---------------------- We don't care, what you say. I'mma do my thing, from day to day... We don't care, what you think. 'Cause in this world, it's Swim-or-Sink...
Stahlregen GoonWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.11.16 15:49:00 - [46] So much for the talks at the fanfest about taking away the tedium from POS warfare.
Xade	Posted - 2006.11.16 15:56:00 - [47] Originally by: nync Just got reply from senior GM stating that tower keeps claiming sovereignty while it is online, even in reinforced mode. thks for your replies. cya in space Sounds as if that might be unfortunate for some. But who cares Its RA we are talking about ....hehe
Fi T'Zeh Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.16 16:00:00 - [48] Originally by: Xade Originally by: nync Just got reply from senior GM stating that tower keeps claiming sovereignty while it is online, even in reinforced mode. thks for your replies. cya in space Sounds as if that might be unfortunate for some. But who cares Its RA we are talking about ....hehe That's a pretty narrow minded view to take of such a game changing mechanic shift tbh. IT has massive repurcussions for all terrritorial warfare. Whether you like the change or not, if indeed there has been a change, the very least we could have is some notice / explanation. .... Real men use blasters
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.16 16:09:00 - [49] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Originally by: nync Just got reply from senior GM stating that tower keeps claiming sovereignty while it is online, even in reinforced mode. thks for your replies. cya in space tbh that is outrageous - Gob It's also complete rubbish, Gob, as we both know.
Commander Rackham	Posted - 2006.11.16 16:13:00 - [50] Edited by: Commander Rackham on 16/11/2006 16:13:35 ...

Commander Rackham	Posted - 2006.11.16 16:14:00 - [51] Edited by: Commander Rackham on 16/11/2006 16:14:48 ...
Jim SJ FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.16 16:16:00 - [52] Quote: Cardassius Quote: KIAEddZ 2 Down. Explain? I think he's just counting his chickens before they've hatched. Except they aren't really even his chickens but more like his neighbors chickens, and he has mostly just been watching. But when he tells this story again, they'll be his chickens, and he will have been insturmental in the hatching process. Assuming the chickens hatch at all, if not...it'll be promptly forgotten. Because if he didn't, it would be **** hard to sell himself as a professional chicken-hatching expert to the next neighbor.
Fi T'Zeh Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.16 16:21:00 - [53] What about the possibility of an avian flu epidemic ? .... Real men use blasters
Havelcek Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.16 16:34:00 - [54] Edited by: Havelcek on 16/11/2006 16:34:06 Unless I'm horribly mistaken, we are not seeing this "change" in-game in the ASCN/BoB war. Everything I've experienced says that sovereignty drops when the POS's go into reinforced. So either the GM is incorrect or this change literally happened within the past few days. Would be nice to see some clarification though.
nync UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.16 16:55:00 - [55] Originally by: Havelcek Edited by: Havelcek on 16/11/2006 16:34:06 Unless I'm horribly mistaken, we are not seeing this "change" in-game in the ASCN/BoB war. Everything I've experienced says that sovereignty drops when the POS's go into reinforced. So either the GM is incorrect or this change literally happened within the past few days. Would be nice to see some clarification though. No worries for now. Currently it's applies only to RedSwarm/-V- war. But the idea of all the petitions bombarding CCP now because of thismakes me smile RA senior pos manager
Buxaroo Black Dwarf Caldari Deep Space Industral	Posted - 2006.11.16 17:06:00 - [56] Originally by: Stahlregen Originally by: Plutoinum Edited by: Plutoinum on 16/11/2006 14:54:40 Don't know about the rules. But things getting interesting. 1v isn't JLO, 1v has been our main operational base / fortress over many months. When I joined -V- in March, I never moved my stuff from Curse to Great Wildlands, Veritas Old Home Region, but moved directly to the main war base in Scalding Pass. Like I said, this isn't JLO. Good luck to all, but more to us ! What the hell does this have to do with anything? Excuse me? It was one of your friends (KIAEdds) who brought out the "2 down" offtopic slant. So don't start calling the kettle black.
Buxaroo Black Dwarf Caldari Deep Space Industral	Posted - 2006.11.16 17:09:00 - [57] Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: nync Edited by: nync on 16/11/2006 14:11:11 Originally by: Nifel A POS that's in reinforced can't claim sovereignty. So if they're in reinforced mode before/after dt sovereignty should drop in the system and you can take the station. If you don't kill the POS:es though they'll just claim the system again next dt. You are wrong. According to GM Q POS IN REINFORSED MODE CLAIMS SOVEREIGNTY. And you shouldn't be able to take station. It's an exploit according to CCP and you can petiton if it happens. Question is closed, thks for you replies, finally got answer grom GM after waiting for 2 hours. He isn't wrong nync, that's simply the way it has worked up until now. If that has changed with a stealth move from CCP then fair enough, however we need some clarification from CCP on this. However, I think it's a good move albiet one that hinders us rather than helping us. It would mean that peeps with strong DT prescence can't simply batter every pos into reinforced 5 minutes before DT then take the station after DT. You would need to plan and siege the system for longer. dbp But don't you see dbp? This means its a bit more fair. Myself, I cannot be on during DT because I am at work. Same for most US/East coast workers.
Fi T'Zeh Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.16 17:21:00 - [58] That's exactly what he said... .... Real men use blasters
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.16 17:36:00 - [59] Edited by: DB Preacher on 16/11/2006 17:36:50 Originally by: nync Strategy was planned based on the system we though active atm of assault. I do believe that such changes MUST be made public before they take place. And the way customer support was dealing with my petition is absolutely awfull. Yeah, I never disagreed with you. If it's a silent nerf, it needs clarification as it has massive ramifications for alliance warfare. Originally by: Buxaroo Originally by: dbp If that has changed with a stealth move from CCP then fair enough, however we need some clarification from CCP on this. However, I think it's a good move albiet one that hinders us rather than helping us. It would mean that peeps with strong DT prescence can't simply batter every pos into reinforced 5 minutes before DT then take the station after DT. You would need to plan and siege the system for longer. dbp But don't you see dbp? This means its a bit more fair. Myself, I cannot be on during DT because I am at work. Same for most US/East coast workers. Aye, and that's what I said dude ;) dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Peoke Caldari Rome SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.16 18:08:00 - [60] well from my personal understanding from all the pos weve blown up it goes like this. A pos in reinforced doesnt get its 5 day sovrenty timer reset, so it wont hold sovrenty in system once in reinforced but once out will reclaim it if you still havemore pos then the enemy. if this has changed in the last 2 days maybe but as of sunday this is how its been and been like this since before the great xzh system war with d2 and goon



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