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nync UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.16 13:51:00 - [1] Edited by: nync on 16/11/2006 13:51:50 System X have 5 moons. All with 5 large towers which belongs to alliance Y. All were put into reinforsed before DT, by alliance Z. Question: will sovereignty drop after DT and alliance Z to be able shoot station ? Or not? And if there is a written rule about it pls post link.
DHB FooFighter FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.11.16 13:54:00 - [2] same thing happened to us during the MC Siege. They put all our pos's into reinforced then tok the station right after dt without ever putting up a pos of their own. Don't consider me an expert im just stating a precedent for ya.
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.16 13:56:00 - [3] Originally by: nync Edited by: nync on 16/11/2006 13:51:50 System X have 5 moons. All with 5 large towers which belongs to alliance Y. All were put into reinforsed before DT, by alliance Z. Question: will sovereignty drop after DT and alliance Z to be able shoot station ? Or not? And if there is a written rule about it pls post link. yes they will be able to shoot it but you can shot it back its station ping pong because no one will have sov - Gob Originally by: SirMolle ASCN is feeling the cold, chilling tendrils of fear creep into the hearts of their alliance.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.16 13:57:00 - [4] You cannot shoot a station unless the stationholding entity lost sovereignty. The attacking party does not need sovereignty itself in order to shoot the station, which means that also 3rd parties who have no sovereignty claims anywhere can shoot the station to claim it.
Nifel Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.16 13:58:00 - [5] A POS that's in reinforced can't claim sovereignty. So if they're in reinforced mode before/after dt sovereignty should drop in the system and you can take the station. If you don't kill the POS:es though they'll just claim the system again next dt. "When I die I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandpa. Not yelling and screaming like the passengers in his car." RKK Ranking: (MIN14) Sama
Bazman Caldari Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.16 13:59:00 - [6] didn't sov need 5 days to change? Even if it was just from reinforced POS not claiming sov ----- OMG READ TUXFORD!!!1
Mirasta Caldari Enigma Enterprises Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:01:00 - [7] Edited by: Mirasta on 16/11/2006 14:02:34 I Think this is more of a question as to weather or not reinforced POS contribute to a sov claim. Not fast enough, question was answered above mine, ignore this post. Of couse, You are now reading my sig.
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:01:00 - [8] Originally by: Bazman didn't sov need 5 days to change? Even if it was just from reinforced POS not claiming sov logic is one thing...reality is completely other....ask CCP Darth Solo=McCready...in different package
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:02:00 - [9] Edited by: Malachon Draco on 16/11/2006 14:07:02 A POS that claimed sov before BEING PUT into reinforced will claim sov again immediately after coming out of reinforced (immediately as in after the next DT AFAIK), no new 5 day waiting period.
Robet Katrix Beagle Corp	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:05:00 - [10] once all of the towers in a system are in reinforced soveignty will drop at downtime. Since no tower in re-inforced can claim sov, no sov will be claimed at next DT If you fear this, you should be theoretically able to allow 1 POS to come out of re-inforced during DT allowing you to hold onto sovereignty for another day. (could be wrong)
putukas Enterprise Estonia Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:08:00 - [11] GM-s should give us more server juice for the action coming soon :)
nync UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:10:00 - [12] Edited by: nync on 16/11/2006 14:11:11 Originally by: Nifel A POS that's in reinforced can't claim sovereignty. So if they're in reinforced mode before/after dt sovereignty should drop in the system and you can take the station. If you don't kill the POS:es though they'll just claim the system again next dt. You are wrong. According to GM Q POS IN REINFORSED MODE CLAIMS SOVEREIGNTY. And you shouldn't be able to take station. It's an exploit according to CCP and you can petiton if it happens. Question is closed, thks for you replies, finally got answer grom GM after waiting for 2 hours.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:14:00 - [13] Originally by: nync Edited by: nync on 16/11/2006 14:11:11 Originally by: Nifel A POS that's in reinforced can't claim sovereignty. So if they're in reinforced mode before/after dt sovereignty should drop in the system and you can take the station. If you don't kill the POS:es though they'll just claim the system again next dt. You are wrong. According to GM Q POS IN REINFORSED MODE CLAIMS SOVEREIGNTY. And you shouldn't be able to take station. It's an exploit according to CCP and you can petiton if it happens. Question is closed, thks for you replies, finally got answer grom GM after waiting for 2 hours. Err, calm down. The way all the posters before you described it, is the way it has been for months and months. If indeed Sov claiming POSses are supposed to continue to claim Sov in reinforced, that means that CCP has changed the rules on it VERY recently.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:16:00 - [14] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 16/11/2006 14:18:55 Ask for i to be escalated to a senior GM, what that GM said is wrong if he at least said what you're saying. This is how it works, and how GM's have ahndled it so far: - Reinforced pos do NOT claim sov. - no online (non-reinforced) POS in a system means no sovereignty: anyone can take station. - Sovereignty changes each DT, but newly anchored POS take 5 days before their sovereignty claiming mode is actually activated (this does not go for pos that came out of reinforced, they count from day one if they were in clamining mode before being put into reinforced). So, 5 large in reinforced means no sovereignty means anyone can take the station. The 5 day count only enters the equasion when a new pos is anchored, that new one (and only that one) will only count after 5 days. Old blog
Max Teranous Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:17:00 - [15] For what it's worth, when we banged every IAC POS into reinforced overall Sov dropped during next dt. Have fun in 1V-, the home system of -V- should bring some kick ass fights, or at least node deaths Max --------------------
DeathGrip Amarr Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:17:00 - [16] I wish CCP would get its act together TBH. If what you say is true and its an exploit how was MC / FIX able to do this to IAC for a few days straight. AXE - Where the men work hard and the girls want to play.
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:18:00 - [17] lol the GM u talked to doesnt know much about eve then - Gob Originally by: SirMolle ASCN is feeling the cold, chilling tendrils of fear creep into the hearts of their alliance.
nync UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:19:00 - [18] Originally by: Malachon Draco Originally by: nync Edited by: nync on 16/11/2006 14:11:11 Originally by: Nifel A POS that's in reinforced can't claim sovereignty. So if they're in reinforced mode before/after dt sovereignty should drop in the system and you can take the station. If you don't kill the POS:es though they'll just claim the system again next dt. You are wrong. According to GM Q POS IN REINFORSED MODE CLAIMS SOVEREIGNTY. And you shouldn't be able to take station. It's an exploit according to CCP and you can petiton if it happens. Question is closed, thks for you replies, finally got answer grom GM after waiting for 2 hours. Err, calm down. The way all the posters before you described it, is the way it has been for months and months. If indeed Sov claiming POSses are supposed to continue to claim Sov in reinforced, that means that CCP has changed the rules on it VERY recently. I'm ok m8, just bit ****ed off with the way CCP change rules and in no way are letting us know about changes.
MACTEP Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:20:00 - [19] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Originally by: nync Edited by: nync on 16/11/2006 13:51:50 System X have 5 moons. All with 5 large towers which belongs to alliance Y. All were put into reinforsed before DT, by alliance Z. Question: will sovereignty drop after DT and alliance Z to be able shoot station ? Or not? And if there is a written rule about it pls post link. yes they will be able to shoot it but you can shot it back its station ping pong because no one will have sov - Gob Wrong answer...... IF GM said YES - so you ll be able to Shoot IF GM ll say NO - so there will be former sovereignty What you can do? nothing...Enjoy EvE
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:20:00 - [20] I doubt they changed them, the GM probably got it wrong. Escalate to senior gm Old blog
nync UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:22:00 - [21] Originally by: Max Teranous For what it's worth, when we banged every IAC POS into reinforced overall Sov dropped during next dt. Have fun in 1V-, the home system of -V- should bring some kick ass fights, or at least node deaths So i quess GM's reply makes you ebil sploiters No fun in 1v- so far, ppl too busy moving staff out of station
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:27:00 - [22] Anyway...Its a bit funny watching RA guy asking question about POSes on forums And secondly...this 5 days, as i understude it, was ment to give defenders 5 days preparation of not loosing station over night. Every change CCP made didnt doing anything to prevent it...couse in the end, with calculated plan...you can take a station over night. Taking station = no opponent can dock. and even if its only for few hours, unnecesary damage was allready done Darth Solo=McCready...in different package
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:29:00 - [23] Originally by: MACTEP Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Originally by: nync Edited by: nync on 16/11/2006 13:51:50 System X have 5 moons. All with 5 large towers which belongs to alliance Y. All were put into reinforsed before DT, by alliance Z. Question: will sovereignty drop after DT and alliance Z to be able shoot station ? Or not? And if there is a written rule about it pls post link. yes they will be able to shoot it but you can shot it back its station ping pong because no one will have sov - Gob Wrong answer...... IF GM said YES - so you ll be able to Shoot IF GM ll say NO - so there will be former sovereignty What you can do? nothing...Enjoy EvE Then rod is right and you should escalate. I am 100% sure because we did it too in pnq against Xelas. If all poses are in reinforced then sov drops - or all of eve has been 'sploiting so far - Gob Originally by: SirMolle ASCN is feeling the cold, chilling tendrils of fear creep into the hearts of their alliance.
nync UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:29:00 - [24] Originally by: Rod Blaine I doubt they changed them, the GM probably got it wrong. Escalate to senior gm No reply at all. I quess they changed it and failed to inform us.
Trooper B99 Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:29:00 - [25] OMFG HAX! Come on guys, its not the first time that GM's have been mistaken on the rules; they are human after all. Often times its because of the wording of the original petition or a misuunderstaning. Its always previously been the case that dropping POS into reinforced drops their Sov claim at DT and I've never heard anything to the contrary. As Rod says, ask for escalation to a senior GM. . Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106 PvP Tournament Semi-Finalist - 2006 FanFest
Max Teranous Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:31:00 - [26] Originally by: nync Originally by: Max Teranous For what it's worth, when we banged every IAC POS into reinforced overall Sov dropped during next dt. Have fun in 1V-, the home system of -V- should bring some kick ass fights, or at least node deaths So i quess GM's reply makes you ebil sploiters No fun in 1v- so far, ppl too busy moving staff out of station Heh, when the node crashed the station went back to IAC anyway, even though we got the fees etc ?!? I think I still have a Rifter in that station actually Max --------------------
Eleese Caldari Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:31:00 - [27] Originally by: Darcuese Anyway...Its a bit funny watching RA guy asking question about POSes on forums And secondly...this 5 days, as i understude it, was ment to give defenders 5 days preparation of not loosing station over night. Every change CCP made didnt doing anything to prevent it...couse in the end, with calculated plan...you can take a station over night. Taking station = no opponent can dock. and even if its only for few hours, unnecesary damage was allready done As i understood it the 5 day rule applied to when you put a pos up turn on sovereignty claim on it.. not to do with reinforced pos's. So pos spamming didnt take instant effect... But either way the story varies on which gm you get lol
Hoshi DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:43:00 - [28] The 5 days rule was introduced so you just couldn't spam in more pos in the system then the current owner had and then take the station without attacking a single pos.
Cardassius Caldari Nun Amun Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:46:00 - [29] Originally by: KIAEddZ 2 Down. Explain?
Rickerman Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.11.16 14:46:00 - [30] What happens if the POS is put into reinforced and comes out again before the next downtime ? e.g. only enough stront for a few hours reinforced and it wasn't killed off ?

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