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Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
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Posted - 2015.05.29 23:45:48 -
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So have like few hundred mills to spend. Wanna get either a Dramiel or Daredevil to solo pvp in.
Which one is better for doing elite solo pvp. (No boosts/prob lot of baiting in some backwater hisecs against missioners/mimers/indies)
Please state pros/cons of both.
And max skills minmatar and gallente btw |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.05.29 23:47:33 -
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Baiting is not done with ships people know are dangerous, it is done with ships people think they can easily kill...
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Damen Apol
Fight The Blob
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Posted - 2015.05.29 23:52:07 -
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raildevil, ez choice |
Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
166
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Posted - 2015.05.29 23:52:15 -
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I know but gonna get a few and they are like presents to myself. Like toys. And gonna be against like dumb bear corps and dude we both know they bring their battleships out against assault frigs and faction cruisers often. Assault frigs are too slow, just wanna fly either of these two and going against dumb people so they will bite. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
9770
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Posted - 2015.05.29 23:58:07 -
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Omar in 3...2...
Hmm... Anyway about the only pirate things the bears aren't terrified of are the sisters ships,
the stratios apparently isn't thought of as a threatening ship which boggles my mind but hay, never underestimate stupidity.
Ishkur ,enyo,hawk are all fairly good choices.
the incursus will do if you're having trouble getting the bears to do more than stare menacingly but it has its limits.
Edit: battle venture is a thing if you want to test yourself but that may actually need links for anything with a drone bonus.
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:I know but gonna get a few and they are like presents to myself. Like toys. And gonna be against like dumb bear corps and dude we both know they bring their battleships out against assault frigs and faction cruisers often. Assault frigs are too slow, just wanna fly either of these two and going against dumb people so they will bite.
Assault frigates excel at fighting up a couple of weight classes, they're plenty fast for what you're looking to do , trust me.
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Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
166
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Posted - 2015.05.30 00:04:01 -
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I LOVE the ishkur and the comet too. I just want to have the fast kite pirate frig toys and its either dram or DD.
I mean sure i can buy a few 30-40mill nice ishkurs but want something different. Something fast something shiny |
Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
166
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Posted - 2015.05.30 00:05:25 -
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I do trust you and lose the ishkur. Just want something different. To switch it up. Its a game ya know. Wamma like do a dram or DD with faction mods and go faaaaaast |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
9770
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Posted - 2015.05.30 00:05:55 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:I LOVE the ishkur and the comet too. I just want to have the fast kite pirate frig toys and its either dram or DD.
I mean sure i can buy a few 30-40mill nice ishkurs but want something different. Something fast something shiny
Fair enough, I prefer blaster devil myself though, damn funny thing to fly.
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Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
393
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Posted - 2015.05.30 00:21:10 -
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Get a pimpfit stratios with geckos. Just don't be like me and engage a rattlesnake sitting on top of a depot.
Or you could probably do some fairly ridiculous faction fits for the Ishkur/Enyo.
Baiting in highsec has to be done in something non threatening that maintains the staying power and DPS to tank a few sets of light drones and then break a subpar battleship tank. For a dramiel or DD, drones are going to be a real issue.
If you must have a faction frig get a garmur or worm, both apply high DPS while kiting at high speed, with the worm being higher DPS and a bit slower. Faction DDAs x2 with augmented drones probably get you about 280 DPS with drones alone. |
ISD Supogo
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2015.05.30 00:34:20 -
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Thread has been moved to Warfare & Tactics.
ISD Supogo
Lieutenant Commander
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Le Moineau
Atlantis Kingdom
Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2015.05.30 11:40:18 -
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What about the Garmur.
That little beauty is scary fast and has nice bonuses. |
Corail Amber
Losing All Hope Was Freedom
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Posted - 2015.05.30 12:05:33 -
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If you're up against battleships class vessels you're going to have an hard time breaking their tank with a Dramiel since it has a pretty ****** dps. It can be done, but it will take time and the more time you spend on your target, the more likely backup will come.
So if you're really going to choose between the Dram et the Daredevil I'd go for the Daredevil.
I think something like this would work : http://i.imgur.com/IfFLYtt.png
Fit is very tight because of the nos, however i think the Nos is very important in case they have neuts.
Bulkheads are here incase you get neuted to death, you can still keep point and guns running with the nos but you won't be able to pulse your rep that much, hence the bulkheads so you have a nice buffer, that'll give you the time needed to pop their drones (remember vs battleships you NEED to kill the drones first. Once they're out of drones they're dead if you get a tight orbit on them they'll never hit you with their guns).
370dps with void, way more than what the Dramiel has. |
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
1067
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Posted - 2015.05.30 15:24:54 -
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No one fears the Dramiel. It's like the old rifter in terms of power. |
Karak Bol
Low-Sec Survival Ltd.
223
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Posted - 2015.05.30 16:01:22 -
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For true elite PvP a Noob ship should be sufficent |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.05.30 17:13:53 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:No one fears the Dramiel. It's like the old rifter in terms of power.
Your understanding of the meta is nothing like a carebears, those are the people she is targeting. A vast majority of them would be a lot less willing to engage a Dram than if she showed up in say, an incursus.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Moglarr
Operation Meatshield
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Posted - 2015.05.30 18:35:07 -
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I like the Dram, because it can give you flexibility. The Daredevil will spit more raw DPS, but depending on you fit will dictate the type of fight you can engage in and can eventually make you predictable with KB scouting. Dual prop Drams are dangerous, can pick their range well and I like the way they look more.
So the Dramiel is the obvious choice.
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Skelee VI
Wraithguard.
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Posted - 2015.05.30 19:49:37 -
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I think the dramiel is better choice for solo pvp. They are cheap enough and can be fit many ways. Dual prop is fun to fly.
i use a speed fit with mse and scram . Good inty killer. |
pushdogg
Tell Your Mum To Call Me
Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2015.05.31 02:04:56 -
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dual prop dram is really fun, with hull tank for extra manliness. |
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
1070
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Posted - 2015.05.31 02:38:51 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Lloyd Roses wrote:No one fears the Dramiel. It's like the old rifter in terms of power. Your understanding of the meta is nothing like a carebears, those are the people she is targeting. A vast majority of them would be a lot less willing to engage a Dram than if she showed up in say, an incursus.
I thought the alternative was to show up in *I'M DA BAWS* daredevil. |
Crimson Draufgange
Extreme Overkill Inc.
The Bastard Cartel
612
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Posted - 2015.05.31 22:05:15 -
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Dual prop dramiel, best dramiel. Even if you get scrammed and webbed, you can bail straight out of any 1v1 fight with ease if you know you're not going to win. It's also great for catching those kiting f^#*@^^%s. Also, projectiles require no capacitor to use. No cap, no problem. A ship with enough neuting power can turn off your prop modules, but think, if a dragoon with highslots full of neuts only has drones for dps, kill the drones, and there's nothing he can do to kill you.
Scram web daredevil is great fun though. Make it buffer hull tanked to add even more fun.
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Iyokus Patrouette
Sudden Buggery
Prolapse.
495
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Posted - 2015.05.31 23:21:04 -
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I fly both the Dramiel and the Daredevil and honestly either works well in the right place. for mission runners though i'd be tempted to go a blaster AB devil and abuse that tiny sig radius
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Dato Koppla
Konvict Cartel
The Asylum.
840
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Posted - 2015.06.01 06:16:09 -
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In terms of FW low, I prefer the Dramiel. People underestimate it far more because 'all' it's got is speed which many players don't know how to capitalize on fully so more people will engage you.
Daredevil on the other hand is pretty much impossible to engage in a lower tier ship, the 90% web absolutely wrecks any counter tactics you can come up with. Brick tank Punisher with a neut has a chance to cap out a MWD Blaster Daredevil before it dies, similarly AB rail comet is like 10m/s faster than an MWD Daredevil while scrammed, but you have to start the engagement at the edge of scram or you'll die. Even then theres also the risk that the Daredevi is rail fit with FN web, in which case these 'counters' are pretty much screwed.
This difficulty in engaging the Daredevil means the only fights you'll get are blobs and the Devil doesn't do well against blobs. Dramiel on the other hand is excellent at taking on the blob due to it's amazing speed and disengageability when dual prop fit. |
Silverbackyererse
The Church of Awesome
Heiian Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.06.01 07:52:26 -
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The answer is obviously Worm or Garmur.  |
Saturn Sabezan
Viziam
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.06.01 08:51:24 -
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The Astero is another option. It doesn't necessarily hit as hard as you might like but is flexible and has good survivability. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
982
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Posted - 2015.06.01 08:58:46 -
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in interceptors online you dont need any of them - waste of time and effort. |
Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation
That Escalated Quickly.
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Posted - 2015.06.01 09:23:47 -
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dual web rail harpy is pretty fun
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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
1071
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Posted - 2015.06.01 14:04:03 -
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Saturn Sabezan wrote:The Astero is another option. It doesn't necessarily hit as hard as you might like but is flexible and has good survivability.
That moment when the rapid light caracool goes into reload and you're still tanking.
ASTERO. Cause 2/4/4 with 25mbit ain't broken at all. |
Ares Desideratus
GUILD OF DOOM MOOD UBER SWAG ETERNAL
259
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Posted - 2015.06.04 03:41:00 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:Saturn Sabezan wrote:The Astero is another option. It doesn't necessarily hit as hard as you might like but is flexible and has good survivability. That moment when the rapid light caracool goes into reload and you're still tanking. ASTERO. Cause 2/4/4 with 25mbit ain't broken at all.
If you're going to complain about something complain about the Cruor, that ship got one of the worst "updates" imaginable when they decided to give him a drone bay with 1 drone in it. Let's have a moment of silence for that little Blood Raider |
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
1086
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Posted - 2015.06.04 12:43:58 -
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Ares Desideratus wrote:Lloyd Roses wrote:Saturn Sabezan wrote:The Astero is another option. It doesn't necessarily hit as hard as you might like but is flexible and has good survivability. That moment when the rapid light caracool goes into reload and you're still tanking. ASTERO. Cause 2/4/4 with 25mbit ain't broken at all. If you're going to complain about something complain about the Cruor, that ship got one of the worst "updates" imaginable when they decided to give him a drone bay with 1 drone in it. Let's have a moment of silence for that little Blood Raider
I mean you can decloak an astero on a caracal, tackle it and tank on one repairer, pretty much. No I'm not indicating the Astero is weak. |
Ares Desideratus
GUILD OF DOOM MOOD UBER SWAG ETERNAL
260
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Posted - 2015.06.04 14:03:56 -
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That's a good thing man, I'm just saying enjoy it while it has a quality role in this game. There are some ships like the Cruor that are supposed to be elite but they just have bad stats and aren't worth flying. |
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