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Nizbah
SideKick Squad
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Posted - 2006.11.16 19:59:00 -
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I wasn't around for the releases of any of the previous expansions of EVE Online so I'm looking for responses from all the veterans.
I've seen a lot of posts about Kali being the beginning of the end of EVE along with references to SWG and SOE. Do people normally write crazy, speculative posts about expansions being the downfall of EVE?
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Griffinator
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2006.11.16 20:00:00 -
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nay sayers have allways been around i have been here since just before exodus has allways been the same, "the end is coming break out your tinfoil hats"
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Karl Chroimcer
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.11.16 20:00:00 -
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Everytime 
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Rawthorm
Gallente
The Establishment
Establishment
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Posted - 2006.11.16 20:02:00 -
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Edited by: Rawthorm on 16/11/2006 20:02:58
 Originally by: Nizbah
I wasn't around for the releases of any of the previous expansions of EVE Online so I'm looking for responses from all the veterans.
I've seen a lot of posts about Kali being the beginning of the end of EVE along with references to SWG and SOE. Do people normally write crazy, speculative posts about expansions being the downfall of EVE?
Most expansions have had something controversial one way or another. For the most part things have gone well and people proved wrong, but there is always the odd flawed concept that never should have gotten through.
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Nizbah
SideKick Squad
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Posted - 2006.11.16 20:03:00 -
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I came in right after RMR. What kind of so called game breaking () changes came out with that?
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Rafein
Eye of God
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.16 20:04:00 -
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missile nerf.
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Vazion
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Posted - 2006.11.16 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Nizbah
I wasn't around for the releases of any of the previous expansions of EVE Online so I'm looking for responses from all the veterans.
I've seen a lot of posts about Kali being the beginning of the end of EVE along with references to SWG and SOE. Do people normally write crazy, speculative posts about expansions being the downfall of EVE?
It has happened on every expansion pack, patch, etc. on EVERY single MMORPG that has ever existed. It will continue to happen for every MMORPG that will exist in the future. Its human nature. Very sad actually.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.16 20:11:00 -
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People look at expansions in EVE all the wrong way.
These aren't really "expansions" as you typically see them in other MMOs. Personally if I could re-term them I'd call them "evolutions". I've seen people calling for a new EVE, EVE 2 if you will... they don't seem to understand that for all intents and purposes we're on like what.. .EVE 4?
The game we play today is vastly different than the one at launch. Engine overhauls, massive content additions, new tech, toys to play with, etc. Tech2 manufacturing and POSes are practically an entire side-game.
Look around you, in that crazy real life thing we hear about every so often. Things evolve, improve, change... sometimes for the better, and sometimes not. But you adapt in life, and that is what people must do here as well.
The only reason to fear evolution is if you've grown complacent and inflexible.
Warp Drive Active | EVE: Nature Vraie |
Raste
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.16 20:12:00 -
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Edited by: Raste on 16/11/2006 20:12:22
I think they have gotten louder since the Dragon patch, which was supposed to fix lag, actually ended up making fleet battles and lag in general much worse. (which had been preceded by a very hyped up hardware upgrade that didnt screw things up like Dragon did, but didn't improve them as had been touted) Prior to that my impression was that the players believed what the devs were telling them far more than what is the case now.
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Montague Zooma
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.16 20:13:00 -
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I'm always willing to try new stuff. What I'm pessimistic about is that the new patches will break the game. Performance almost always suffers for a while after every patch. That's why they officially tell you to set a long skill training.
So in that sense, I'm not a pessimist; I'm a realist.
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Valan
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Posted - 2006.11.16 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: Karl Chroimcer
Everytime
I point you to the article in my sig.
Well if we weren't having the same bugs three years on. If CCP actually delivered the content promised instead of gradually deleting it off the features page then we would be more optimistic.
Poking fun at the complaints through some lame sig isn't the same as delivering information and reassurance to the player community is it? That would go in the smart ass reply box.
I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on.
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Rafein
Eye of God
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.16 20:14:00 -
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Sadly, CCP removed the decent ships today, so guess I'm looking forward to scanning, invention, and rigging now
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Kharakan
Amarr
GREY COUNCIL
Breidablik
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Posted - 2006.11.16 20:15:00 -
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It's important to remember that the people whining are unhappy - but the people who're happy with the change don't post as much, because they don't see reason to complain.
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain (to Dark Shikari)
HAHAHA I KNOW YOUR ACCOUUNT NAME TIME TO DIE
this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
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Araxmas
Caldari
Imperial Space Corporation
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Posted - 2006.11.16 20:16:00 -
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Edited by: Araxmas on 16/11/2006 20:17:01
The forums are a bad source of opinion. People who like the changed or don't care hardly ever post the fact that they like it or don't mind. Yet people who complain always post so it always looks worse than it is.
edit: sorry to the above thread, didn't read yours so i apolagise for basically copying what you said.
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XFinanX
Amarr
The Afterlife
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Posted - 2006.11.16 20:17:00 -
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You should have heard Cold War and all the missile changes :D
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Karl Chroimcer
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.11.16 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: Valan
Well if we weren't having the same bugs three years on. If CCP actually delivered the content promised instead of gradually deleting it off the features page then we would be more optimistic.
Poking fun at the complaints through some lame sig isn't the same as delivering information and reassurance to the player community is it? That would go in the smart ass reply box.
I'm not a developer, I just help with the forums.
That was my personal point of view, not ISD or CCP's.
EDIT: Ill take it out of my sig if it offends so much
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Harisdrop
Gallente
ClanKillers
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.16 20:21:00 -
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Its not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country.
EVE has been like this from when I joined in July 2003. As we figured out things that the devs did not think of they would come behind and make corrections. I think it there is alot more players that like the easy life and now with Rig and all the other changes that are made EVE will be even more complex.
The part of PVP that soo many liked that PVP'ed was that you could look at a ship and say this is what will take it down. With the RIGs ingame now you can make a gallente ship shield tank while boosting your hybrids. Its amazing.
Soo there will be those that will have to succumb to change and they like the way it is now. The devs know that doing these changes allow for more diversity within the old tech 1 ships and makes each player more unperdictable. It just scares players that dont want to adapt.
Originally by: Dwight Hammerhead
. Just because Kali is already in testing. If CCP were actually concerned about what ppl think they would of opened it up for discussion.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.16 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Karl Chroimcer
That was my personal point of view, not ISD or CCP's.
Something new for the sig? :D
Warp Drive Active | EVE: Nature Vraie |
Valan
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Posted - 2006.11.16 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Karl Chroimcer
Originally by: Valan
Well if we weren't having the same bugs three years on. If CCP actually delivered the content promised instead of gradually deleting it off the features page then we would be more optimistic.
Poking fun at the complaints through some lame sig isn't the same as delivering information and reassurance to the player community is it? That would go in the smart ass reply box.
I'm not a developer, I just help with the forums.
That was my personal point of view, not ISD or CCP's.
EDIT: Ill take it out of my sig if it offends so much
Apologies harsh reply, I did say CCP :)
But you know as we all do that EVE has issues but its still a good game. But sticking our head in the sand doesn't improve matters :)
I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on.
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Ed Gein
Dark Blade Incorporated
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.11.16 20:30:00 -
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the sky is falling, honest 
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Skyy
Caldari
Veni-Vidi-Vici
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Posted - 2006.11.16 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Karl Chroimcer
Everytime
It seems thats true. CCP likes to do things their own way, but a lot of problems can go away if they just communicate better with their player base. I think it lies more on how CCP deal with explansions, rather than the players anticipating them.
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Azrael Bierce
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2006.11.16 20:54:00 -
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Quote:
If you play an online game that you enjoy, thereÆs one surefire way to spoil the experience: read the forums on the official site. There you will find a vast underworld of lost souls keening their misery onto your screen. A game you thought was entertaining, well-balanced and attractive will be torn apart before your very eyes and pronounced lacking in every conceivable way.
It doesnÆt matter that the complainers spend as much time on the game as you do, and probably more. While they may disagree on the nature of the flaws, they are united in agreement that whatever those flaws may be, they are unforgivable.
From: http://www.wired.com/news/columns/0,72119-0.html?tw=wn_index_5
Yes, basically.
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DiuxDium
Black Omega Security
The OSS
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Posted - 2006.11.16 20:56:00 -
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The key. It falls, it falls everytime change occurs. The men and women with time machine board their mechanical wonders, and ride forth into the future! From their lofty heights standing above mortals they see the woes of the times to come, and from the kindness of their hearts they relay this information to us. Their troubles and sacrifice rarley go appreciated though. To be called "whiners" "nay-sayers" and "idiots". Lies I say! I for one shall remeber their sacrifice to bring us such tantalizing information such as "Lol Drake IS ghey haxx" or the all purpose "LOl AMrrr SUX" - Where would I be as a human being without knowing that the drake is "haxx" and tha "Amrrrr" suck at everything, and god hates them.
Good show dear boy. Good show.
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Tessa Vaako
Ars Caelestis
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.16 21:08:00 -
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People will complain when one of two things happen
1) Things Change
2) Things Stay the Same
That is all.
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Just how awesome are you BoB?
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K8 T
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Posted - 2006.11.16 21:08:00 -
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Normally I would agree, Kali is different. It radically changes aspects of the game that most people have taken for granted for the last 4 years.
In 6 months time solo PvP will be a faint memory, people will say on TS "Remember when you used to be able to solo kill a guy in under 5 minutes, before the blob would take you out? Ahhh yes.. The good old days."
Not everyone plays EVE to partake in 40 man fleets. I'm not saying CCP should cater to solo players either, its a MMO after all. But enforcing bariers and restrictions onto people is never good in gaming.
EVE has always been about freedom of choice, in career, in gameplay, in everything. Freedom is what set EVE out from the rest, freedom is why most of us prefer this over WoW or similar games.
Why change that now? /braveheart FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOM!
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Berious
The Greater Goon
The OSS
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Posted - 2006.11.16 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Azrael Bierce
Quote:
If you play an online game that you enjoy, there’s one surefire way to spoil the experience: read the forums on the official site. There you will find a vast underworld of lost souls keening their misery onto your screen. A game you thought was entertaining, well-balanced and attractive will be torn apart before your very eyes and pronounced lacking in every conceivable way.
It doesn’t matter that the complainers spend as much time on the game as you do, and probably more. While they may disagree on the nature of the flaws, they are united in agreement that whatever those flaws may be, they are unforgivable.
From: http://www.wired.com/news/columns/0,72119-0.html?tw=wn_index_5
Yes, basically.
Hahaha, spot on. I generally avoid these forums for that very reason. Though have been guilty myself once or twice. 
Missile nerfs, highways(adding and removing), sentry guns in low sec, stacking nerfs and a whole lot more have all heralded the end of Eve at one time or another.
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Gariuys
Evil Strangers Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.16 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: Karl Chroimcer
Everytime
And he means... EVERY SINGLE TIME with that... just to be sure.
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Major Stormer
Caldari
Demon Womb
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Posted - 2006.11.16 21:50:00 -
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For every online game, every patch ever created and designed, will be the downfall of that game and the result will be the servers imploding.
According to every online games offical forums anyway 
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Firequill
Gallente
The Black Ops
Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.16 21:58:00 -
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Ive actually liked all of em, castor, exodus etc..
Hope kali will bring some new twists
Remember: Stagnation is death
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Matrix Aran
Legio Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.11.16 22:01:00 -
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Its been like this for ages. Missile nerfes back in the old days were suposed to "Kill caldari ships in PVP" and make them "Completely vulnerable to interceptors." The origional battlecruiser were considered "Useless, and inefectual at PVP." Assualt frigates were considered "A waste of money compared to an Interceptor that can do everything it does better." The turret sig radius nerf back in the way old days suposedly killed battleships, and the dual microwarpdrive nerf made cruisers useless. In more recent days an older hitpoint buff suposedly made solo ganks impossible, and changes to drones made drone ships ineffective in PVP. Theres probably another twenty or so comments just like these that turned out for the most part to be false. People will always latch onto the most contraversial part of any change in this game and complain about it. I can't believe someone hasn't complained yet about the changes to the autopatcher destroying Eve as we know it.
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