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Nizbah SideKick Squad	Posted - 2006.11.16 19:59:00 - [1] I wasn't around for the releases of any of the previous expansions of EVE Online so I'm looking for responses from all the veterans. I've seen a lot of posts about Kali being the beginning of the end of EVE along with references to SWG and SOE. Do people normally write crazy, speculative posts about expansions being the downfall of EVE?
Griffinator Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2006.11.16 20:00:00 - [2] nay sayers have allways been around i have been here since just before exodus has allways been the same, "the end is coming break out your tinfoil hats"

Karl Chroimcer Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.11.16 20:00:00 - [3] Everytime forum rules \| [email protected]

Rawthorm Gallente The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2006.11.16 20:02:00 - [4] Edited by: Rawthorm on 16/11/2006 20:02:58 Originally by: Nizbah I wasn't around for the releases of any of the previous expansions of EVE Online so I'm looking for responses from all the veterans. I've seen a lot of posts about Kali being the beginning of the end of EVE along with references to SWG and SOE. Do people normally write crazy, speculative posts about expansions being the downfall of EVE? Most expansions have had something controversial one way or another. For the most part things have gone well and people proved wrong, but there is always the odd flawed concept that never should have gotten through.
Nizbah SideKick Squad	Posted - 2006.11.16 20:03:00 - [5] I came in right after RMR. What kind of so called game breaking () changes came out with that?
Rafein Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.11.16 20:04:00 - [6] missile nerf.
Vazion	Posted - 2006.11.16 20:06:00 - [7] Originally by: Nizbah I wasn't around for the releases of any of the previous expansions of EVE Online so I'm looking for responses from all the veterans. I've seen a lot of posts about Kali being the beginning of the end of EVE along with references to SWG and SOE. Do people normally write crazy, speculative posts about expansions being the downfall of EVE? It has happened on every expansion pack, patch, etc. on EVERY single MMORPG that has ever existed. It will continue to happen for every MMORPG that will exist in the future. Its human nature. Very sad actually.
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.16 20:11:00 - [8] People look at expansions in EVE all the wrong way. These aren't really "expansions" as you typically see them in other MMOs. Personally if I could re-term them I'd call them "evolutions". I've seen people calling for a new EVE, EVE 2 if you will... they don't seem to understand that for all intents and purposes we're on like what.. .EVE 4? The game we play today is vastly different than the one at launch. Engine overhauls, massive content additions, new tech, toys to play with, etc. Tech2 manufacturing and POSes are practically an entire side-game. Look around you, in that crazy real life thing we hear about every so often. Things evolve, improve, change... sometimes for the better, and sometimes not. But you adapt in life, and that is what people must do here as well. The only reason to fear evolution is if you've grown complacent and inflexible. Warp Drive Active \| EVE: Nature Vraie
Raste Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.16 20:12:00 - [9] Edited by: Raste on 16/11/2006 20:12:22 I think they have gotten louder since the Dragon patch, which was supposed to fix lag, actually ended up making fleet battles and lag in general much worse. (which had been preceded by a very hyped up hardware upgrade that didnt screw things up like Dragon did, but didn't improve them as had been touted) Prior to that my impression was that the players believed what the devs were telling them far more than what is the case now.
Montague Zooma Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.16 20:13:00 - [10] I'm always willing to try new stuff. What I'm pessimistic about is that the new patches will break the game. Performance almost always suffers for a while after every patch. That's why they officially tell you to set a long skill training. So in that sense, I'm not a pessimist; I'm a realist.
Valan	Posted - 2006.11.16 20:14:00 - [11] Originally by: Karl Chroimcer Everytime I point you to the article in my sig. Well if we weren't having the same bugs three years on. If CCP actually delivered the content promised instead of gradually deleting it off the features page then we would be more optimistic. Poking fun at the complaints through some lame sig isn't the same as delivering information and reassurance to the player community is it? That would go in the smart ass reply box. I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on.
Rafein Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.11.16 20:14:00 - [12] Sadly, CCP removed the decent ships today, so guess I'm looking forward to scanning, invention, and rigging now
Kharakan Amarr GREY COUNCIL Breidablik	Posted - 2006.11.16 20:15:00 - [13] It's important to remember that the people whining are unhappy - but the people who're happy with the change don't post as much, because they don't see reason to complain. Originally by: Joshua Foiritain (to Dark Shikari) HAHAHA I KNOW YOUR ACCOUUNT NAME TIME TO DIE this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
Araxmas Caldari Imperial Space Corporation	Posted - 2006.11.16 20:16:00 - [14] Edited by: Araxmas on 16/11/2006 20:17:01 The forums are a bad source of opinion. People who like the changed or don't care hardly ever post the fact that they like it or don't mind. Yet people who complain always post so it always looks worse than it is. edit: sorry to the above thread, didn't read yours so i apolagise for basically copying what you said. --------
XFinanX Amarr The Afterlife	Posted - 2006.11.16 20:17:00 - [15] You should have heard Cold War and all the missile changes :D rawr

Karl Chroimcer Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.11.16 20:18:00 - [16] Originally by: Valan Well if we weren't having the same bugs three years on. If CCP actually delivered the content promised instead of gradually deleting it off the features page then we would be more optimistic. Poking fun at the complaints through some lame sig isn't the same as delivering information and reassurance to the player community is it? That would go in the smart ass reply box. I'm not a developer, I just help with the forums. That was my personal point of view, not ISD or CCP's. EDIT: Ill take it out of my sig if it offends so much forum rules \| [email protected]

Harisdrop Gallente ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.16 20:21:00 - [17] Its not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country. EVE has been like this from when I joined in July 2003. As we figured out things that the devs did not think of they would come behind and make corrections. I think it there is alot more players that like the easy life and now with Rig and all the other changes that are made EVE will be even more complex. The part of PVP that soo many liked that PVP'ed was that you could look at a ship and say this is what will take it down. With the RIGs ingame now you can make a gallente ship shield tank while boosting your hybrids. Its amazing. Soo there will be those that will have to succumb to change and they like the way it is now. The devs know that doing these changes allow for more diversity within the old tech 1 ships and makes each player more unperdictable. It just scares players that dont want to adapt. Originally by: Dwight Hammerhead . Just because Kali is already in testing. If CCP were actually concerned about what ppl think they would of opened it up for discussion.
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.16 20:21:00 - [18] Originally by: Karl Chroimcer That was my personal point of view, not ISD or CCP's. Something new for the sig? :D Warp Drive Active \| EVE: Nature Vraie
Valan	Posted - 2006.11.16 20:28:00 - [19] Originally by: Karl Chroimcer Originally by: Valan Well if we weren't having the same bugs three years on. If CCP actually delivered the content promised instead of gradually deleting it off the features page then we would be more optimistic. Poking fun at the complaints through some lame sig isn't the same as delivering information and reassurance to the player community is it? That would go in the smart ass reply box. I'm not a developer, I just help with the forums. That was my personal point of view, not ISD or CCP's. EDIT: Ill take it out of my sig if it offends so much Apologies harsh reply, I did say CCP :) But you know as we all do that EVE has issues but its still a good game. But sticking our head in the sand doesn't improve matters :) I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on.
Ed Gein Dark Blade Incorporated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.11.16 20:30:00 - [20] the sky is falling, honest -------------------------------------------------------------- What do you call the person that brings a gun to a knife fight? The Winner.
Skyy Caldari Veni-Vidi-Vici	Posted - 2006.11.16 20:51:00 - [21] Originally by: Karl Chroimcer Everytime It seems thats true. CCP likes to do things their own way, but a lot of problems can go away if they just communicate better with their player base. I think it lies more on how CCP deal with explansions, rather than the players anticipating them. ======= -Value your character... not a bpo. -Campaigning to make all t2 bpos limited time production licenses.
Azrael Bierce Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.11.16 20:54:00 - [22] Quote: If you play an online game that you enjoy, thereÆs one surefire way to spoil the experience: read the forums on the official site. There you will find a vast underworld of lost souls keening their misery onto your screen. A game you thought was entertaining, well-balanced and attractive will be torn apart before your very eyes and pronounced lacking in every conceivable way. It doesnÆt matter that the complainers spend as much time on the game as you do, and probably more. While they may disagree on the nature of the flaws, they are united in agreement that whatever those flaws may be, they are unforgivable. From: http://www.wired.com/news/columns/0,72119-0.html?tw=wn_index_5 Yes, basically.
DiuxDium Black Omega Security The OSS	Posted - 2006.11.16 20:56:00 - [23] The key. It falls, it falls everytime change occurs. The men and women with time machine board their mechanical wonders, and ride forth into the future! From their lofty heights standing above mortals they see the woes of the times to come, and from the kindness of their hearts they relay this information to us. Their troubles and sacrifice rarley go appreciated though. To be called "whiners" "nay-sayers" and "idiots". Lies I say! I for one shall remeber their sacrifice to bring us such tantalizing information such as "Lol Drake IS ghey haxx" or the all purpose "LOl AMrrr SUX" - Where would I be as a human being without knowing that the drake is "haxx" and tha "Amrrrr" suck at everything, and god hates them. Good show dear boy. Good show.
Tessa Vaako Ars Caelestis Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.16 21:08:00 - [24] People will complain when one of two things happen 1) Things Change 2) Things Stay the Same That is all. -- Just how awesome are you BoB?
K8 T	Posted - 2006.11.16 21:08:00 - [25] Normally I would agree, Kali is different. It radically changes aspects of the game that most people have taken for granted for the last 4 years. In 6 months time solo PvP will be a faint memory, people will say on TS "Remember when you used to be able to solo kill a guy in under 5 minutes, before the blob would take you out? Ahhh yes.. The good old days." Not everyone plays EVE to partake in 40 man fleets. I'm not saying CCP should cater to solo players either, its a MMO after all. But enforcing bariers and restrictions onto people is never good in gaming. EVE has always been about freedom of choice, in career, in gameplay, in everything. Freedom is what set EVE out from the rest, freedom is why most of us prefer this over WoW or similar games. Why change that now? /braveheart FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOM!
Berious The Greater Goon The OSS	Posted - 2006.11.16 21:31:00 - [26] Originally by: Azrael Bierce Quote: If you play an online game that you enjoy, there’s one surefire way to spoil the experience: read the forums on the official site. There you will find a vast underworld of lost souls keening their misery onto your screen. A game you thought was entertaining, well-balanced and attractive will be torn apart before your very eyes and pronounced lacking in every conceivable way. It doesn’t matter that the complainers spend as much time on the game as you do, and probably more. While they may disagree on the nature of the flaws, they are united in agreement that whatever those flaws may be, they are unforgivable. From: http://www.wired.com/news/columns/0,72119-0.html?tw=wn_index_5 Yes, basically. Hahaha, spot on. I generally avoid these forums for that very reason. Though have been guilty myself once or twice. Missile nerfs, highways(adding and removing), sentry guns in low sec, stacking nerfs and a whole lot more have all heralded the end of Eve at one time or another.
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.16 21:37:00 - [27] Originally by: Karl Chroimcer Everytime And he means... EVERY SINGLE TIME with that... just to be sure.
Major Stormer Caldari Demon Womb	Posted - 2006.11.16 21:50:00 - [28] For every online game, every patch ever created and designed, will be the downfall of that game and the result will be the servers imploding. According to every online games offical forums anyway
Firequill Gallente The Black Ops Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.16 21:58:00 - [29] Ive actually liked all of em, castor, exodus etc.. Hope kali will bring some new twists Remember: Stagnation is death
Matrix Aran Legio Immortalis	Posted - 2006.11.16 22:01:00 - [30] Its been like this for ages. Missile nerfes back in the old days were suposed to "Kill caldari ships in PVP" and make them "Completely vulnerable to interceptors." The origional battlecruiser were considered "Useless, and inefectual at PVP." Assualt frigates were considered "A waste of money compared to an Interceptor that can do everything it does better." The turret sig radius nerf back in the way old days suposedly killed battleships, and the dual microwarpdrive nerf made cruisers useless. In more recent days an older hitpoint buff suposedly made solo ganks impossible, and changes to drones made drone ships ineffective in PVP. Theres probably another twenty or so comments just like these that turned out for the most part to be false. People will always latch onto the most contraversial part of any change in this game and complain about it. I can't believe someone hasn't complained yet about the changes to the autopatcher destroying Eve as we know it. ----
Nicholas Barker Caldari Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2006.11.16 22:08:00 - [31] it was the other way for POS, we couldn't wait to get them in game... but now... :/ worst thing ever. ------------------------------------- Help! I'm stuck in a hXc gig, send real music and beer fast!
Phoenix Lord The Arrow Project The ARR0W Project	Posted - 2006.11.16 22:11:00 - [32] People who are happy are playing the game and reading about the expansions. Its only the people who are unhappy that bother to post. Arrow Capital Ship Sales
Matrix Aran Legio Immortalis	Posted - 2006.11.16 22:11:00 - [33] Originally by: Nicholas Barker it was the other way for POS, we couldn't wait to get them in game... but now... :/ worst thing ever. Kinda ironic isn't it? Maybe everyone is complaining as some kind of voodoo charm against the bad spirits? ----
DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2006.11.16 22:15:00 - [34] Originally by: Phoenix Lord People who are happy are playing the game and reading about the expansions. Its only the people who are unhappy that bother to post. You mean ppl like you? ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE
Al Haquis Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.16 22:22:00 - [35] Yes, Evry time. Then people adapt. With love from Al Haquis
Electric Cucumber Amarr coracao ardente Sani Khal'Vecna	Posted - 2006.11.16 22:28:00 - [36] If I was a GM i would find it difficult to resist banning forum whiners on sight
Nicocat Caldari New Age Solutions	Posted - 2006.11.16 22:39:00 - [37] I can't imagine the hellfire that occured when missiles were whacked to a balanced manner way back when (I started in April of this year, i.e. after RMR was out). I hear TomB was also even more destructive with the nerfbat than Tux. And since I already wish Tux would die in his own home when the oven goes fzzt (bring back the Hurricane!), I can't imagine TomB =P ---------------------------- Please don't try to troll in your signature -Eldo([email protected]) I tried?
Hoshi DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.16 23:52:00 - [38] Originally by: Nizbah I came in right after RMR. What kind of so called game breaking () changes came out with that? There was the drone "nerf" among others. Pre RMR most ships could use 10 drones, some like domi upto 15 and all ships had double the drone bay they got today (thorax had 4 times as large). To offset this each individual drone was buffed. The major intent of the "nerf" was better server performance. In retrospect I don't think many people still consider it a nerf. Drones are as good as ever if not even better. Just harder to use them to lag out your opponent now.
Synapse Archae Amarr Solarflare Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.11.17 00:00:00 - [39] The only release which was not accompanied by a choir of whiners, was the first one after beta. So, obligingly: ROLLBACK TO THE GEMINI CLIENT PLZZ!!OMGZZ! ~ ~ ~ http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=349194&page=1 Originally by: The Knight True, in fact...I think it was during the battle of the bulge when we firs
Athena Starfire Gallente	Posted - 2006.11.17 00:04:00 - [40] I for one, applaude and can't wait for the new change in Kali. 'Warp-To-Zero', Auctions, Margin Buying and Short Selling to name a few. About time CCP decided that 'Carebears' pay money to play also.. Cheers
Argenton Sayvers	Posted - 2006.11.17 00:24:00 - [41] a lot of you in here got human nature wrong: A lot of humans, when getting kicked in the face, start to rationalize about how they actually like it, and how everyone else is an immature whiner. Even a nuclear war wont be the end of the world. A billion dead means that there are still 5 billion left, humans will adapt and live on. How bad does kali needs to be before one can stop looking forward to it? Does CCP need to send killers after you before you realize that for every change they put in (contracts .. hehehe, i was around when people actually hyped that, not just the devs), you have to work more for - in the best case - the same rewards? In the year that i have been here, Eve got worse from a technical PoV. For me as a player, the number of concurrent macro miners and t2 BPO owner alts does not contribute to the experience at all. The lag however, is noticable even when drugged (on that "eve"-feeling some of you know from pvp). I can see eve as it should have been, even despite the pathetic interface and all the bugs. But the direction behind it is rapidly shifting - and i think many people "feel" that its core audience is changing. For every roaming pvp player, there are 10 grind monkeys and 5 alliance slaves... eve will not die even if you put a "pointy ears race" in. It just will not be eve. And when you expect the interface to get better, but then get the font changes instead, well.. yeh, dying a slow, painful death due to a horrible disease isnt that bad. Adapt, you whiners, or ... oh wait.
Zixxa	Posted - 2006.11.17 00:26:00 - [42] RMR was ok, afair. But Kali is just disaster. Eve is repeating Star Wwars Galaxy path to death: developers are destructing balance. --------------------------------- Hint: Train for Mega, not for Rokh R.I.P. <Torpedo Raven> R.I.P. <Eagle> R.I.P. <ECM> R.I.P. <Drake>
JohnTheBaptist Astronomic Influence	Posted - 2006.11.17 00:32:00 - [43] I'm looking forward to Kali, all the patches etc have been fine by me. Only one that made me think twice was the missile changes, but thats just cos I would have to train a load of skills to get back to where I was damage wise, and it made torps less fun
Phoenix Lord The Arrow Project The ARR0W Project	Posted - 2006.11.17 00:33:00 - [44] Originally by: DarkMatter Originally by: Phoenix Lord People who are happy are playing the game and reading about the expansions. Its only the people who are unhappy that bother to post. You mean ppl like you? Its usually the people who are unhappy that bother to post* Its true though, you dont see people posting about how great something is. Arguments only come up when someone has something bad to say. Arrow Capital Ship Sales
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.11.17 00:40:00 - [45] Originally by: Nizbah I wasn't around for the releases of any of the previous expansions of EVE Online so I'm looking for responses from all the veterans. No, not really. They tend to screw more with balance BETWEEN expansions until this one... //Maya
Tobias Sjodin Caldari Ore Mongers SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.17 01:14:00 - [46] It's about humans natural fear of change, and the fear of the unknown. Usually people think that change will mean change for the worse. I believe months down the line, when Kali 2 is about to hit, we'll hear that "the game is fine the way it is" and that it shouldn't be changed. Once more. There are some old gaffers who still cling to the notion that EVE was the best back in beta. Usually those who cannot adapt, become extinct. [ore mongers, recruiting]
Heero Yuy Kinetic Vector Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.17 01:19:00 - [47] An incredible number of people are simply only ever happy when they can complain about something. Doesn't matter what it is really, as long as they can express their extreme unhappiness with the universe at great length. Of all those voicing discontent on these forums there's maybe 15-20 or so people actually worth lending an ear to, because they generally supply good, reasoned arguments to back their complaints up. The remainder are all insignificant crybabies who simply want their cake and eat it too and who'll never accept that any point of view other than their own could be the least bit valid. And you wonder why CCP doesn't interact more on the forums.....??? This place is good for those extremely slow nightshifts when time moves like 100 years old syrup and everything else has been digested already. For all other times there are more constructive and interesting places to spend one's time.
Brolly Caldari The Department of Justice	Posted - 2006.11.17 01:48:00 - [48] Ahhh, sweet memories. People will whine before the patch, whilst it's patching, demand a server rollback, whine some more then either quit...keep whining about quitting for a month or 2 and then live with it. Until the next patch is announced. /me grins in fond memory at the castor patch. As for the whole SWG crap, they are probably under the delusion that CCP will cack their pants in the belief eve will go that way. Noobs. If I had ú1 for every intelligent comment posted in general discussion, I'd be hideously in debt
Gyrn Fzirth Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.11.17 02:01:00 - [49] players would be far less pessimistic if ccp didn't***** things up on implementation. Perfect example is the force recon ship. Its meant to sneak behind enemy lines - even gets to use the covert ops cloak - and open cyno fields for capital ships - gets a bonus to cyno duration and liquid ozone usage - yet can't fit both modules simultaneously. Notice how I didn't say "activate both simultaneously." If you fit a cloak on a force recon then slap a cyno on there they will happily fit to the ship. Try activating one though - neither will work, including the cloak, even if the other is offline. CCP has known about that since before recon ships were introduced and yet still hasn't fixed it. There are plenty of other examples. This one hits close to home though because my force recon would see a LOT more use as a covert cyno ship. As it is, noone uses them for their intended purpose - they use disposable frigs- kestrels, atrons, probes etc. Now, ask me again why I'm pessimistic about CCP's new features :/ ========== CELES Killboard: http://www.celeskills.com
Heero Yuy Kinetic Vector Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.17 03:19:00 - [50] So why are you pessimistic about those new features? From my perspective, regardless of a number of problems and irritations there's simply not a better deal to be had in the known universe than playing EVE for $14.95 per month. The good sides of it outweigh the bad by a factor of (warning, arbitrary number coming up) 984:1 and I simply choose to pay more attention to the HUGE positives instead of the miniscule negatives. I just LOVE this game and I love it even when I'm fed up with it and don't play it. That's not to say no one should critisise it at all, I just hate the fact that these forums are made entirely unreadable by all those who whine incessantly about anything and everything.
Gyrn Fzirth Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.11.17 04:08:00 - [51] Edited by: Gyrn Fzirth on 17/11/2006 04:09:39 Originally by: Heero Yuy So why are you pessimistic about those new features? because if history is any guide, ccp will***** up a bunch of the new stuff as well as reintroduce old bugs in to the existing stuff. If ccp spends enough engineering effort to fix at least SOME of the old stuff before trying to implement new stuff I'll be perfectly happy. Nothing and noone is perfect, true, but is it unreasonable to expect existing stuff to work properly before implementing a bunch of new stuff, especially considering ccp's track record? ========== CELES Killboard: http://www.celeskills.com
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2006.11.17 05:38:00 - [52] Originally by: Rafein Sadly, CCP removed the decent ships today, so guess I'm looking forward to scanning, invention, and rigging now They did WHAT?!?! Link where they say they removed new BC's and BS's! "It's great being Amarr, ain't it?Ö" PERVS \o/
Driven Caldari Mass Produced Venturi Starea	Posted - 2006.11.17 05:57:00 - [53] Originally by: Karl Chroimcer Everytime Your wrong. It's interesting how you are dismissive of the many valid complaints so flippantly. For most patches people have very positive and have been mostly happy about the coming additions and new stuff. I think this one isn't as positively received so far due to the greatly diminished level of communication which seems to be the new way CCP is choosing to do business. CCP's CEO said at fanfest that the game is all about the players. But they aren't walking the talk. And the lack of communication and other recent actions by CCP is manifesting itself in a broader sense of player dissatisfaction.
Haydon IV	Posted - 2006.11.17 06:16:00 - [54] at least we dont have to throw away our old ships when kali is out... you should see wat happens to WoW players when their expansion comes out..
Agnst Murder of Crows E N I G M A	Posted - 2006.11.17 06:31:00 - [55] Edited by: Agnst on 17/11/2006 06:32:35 Originally by: Driven Originally by: Karl Chroimcer Everytime Your wrong. It's interesting how you are dismissive of the many valid complaints so flippantly. For most patches people have very positive and have been mostly happy about the coming additions and new stuff. I think this one isn't as positively received so far due to the greatly diminished level of communication which seems to be the new way CCP is choosing to do business. CCP's CEO said at fanfest that the game is all about the players. But they aren't walking the talk. And the lack of communication and other recent actions by CCP is manifesting itself in a broader sense of player dissatisfaction. Please, list a few VAILD, CONSTRUCTIVE complaints. There are many other people that have posted in this thread agreeing with the fact that it happens everytime. This game has survived the dreaded missile nerf, the ebil drone nerf, etc. It will survive Kali. SquareEnix is Sony's defibrilator. If Sony flatlines SquareEnix will yell "CLEAR!!" and release a Final Fantasy title.
Tachy	Posted - 2006.11.17 06:38:00 - [56] EVE players tend to be kinda loyal. ccp tends to announce a lot of stuff that never makes it into the game. Kali already takes a year longer than announced in the first place. Currently we are 1 year past the time Kali was announced to be done. 2/3 of the announced changes and improvements disappeared from the todo list. The most anticipated features have been reduced to ashes and shadows of what had been announced to come for certain. What we got so far has been mostly half done fluff. A lot of old bugs and stuff that many pilots see as design flaws has not even been touched in any way. The often promised improvement to the server stability and lag situation did not even start yet. In the past the removal of most logging features in the code brought the server and network back to 'rocksolid'. Dragon and a multitude of hardware updates did not bring anything but annoying and deadly queues and the server lag in space mostly didn't improve for nearly a year. The Chinese server that wont have any impact on the development for Tranquility ... well, more than a year extra, lag, queues, forum not working properly, still no current documentation, forum avatars not updated in 9 months, ... Well, new fluff, with what the customers percieve as issues being mostly untouched. Announced changes come half-hearted (more HP to make fights longer, group system still none-existent, more load to the bugged overview, some ships becoming useless, L4 courier missions with 1m¦ cargo size for another year, background story on hold for 2.x years, POS still buggy, recons+cloak+cynofiendgenerator, T2 ammo changes making half the stuff useless, ... and a lot of sother things) --==*-- The cause for this is not yet known, but we do have a possible fix in testing. by Sharkbait \| 2006.09.20
Driven Caldari Mass Produced Venturi Starea	Posted - 2006.11.17 06:56:00 - [57] Originally by: Agnst Edited by: Agnst on 17/11/2006 06:32:35 Originally by: Driven Originally by: Karl Chroimcer Everytime Your wrong. It's interesting how you are dismissive of the many valid complaints so flippantly. For most patches people have very positive and have been mostly happy about the coming additions and new stuff. I think this one isn't as positively received so far due to the greatly diminished level of communication which seems to be the new way CCP is choosing to do business. CCP's CEO said at fanfest that the game is all about the players. But they aren't walking the talk. And the lack of communication and other recent actions by CCP is manifesting itself in a broader sense of player dissatisfaction. Please, list a few VAILD, CONSTRUCTIVE complaints. There are many other people that have posted in this thread agreeing with the fact that it happens everytime. This game has survived the dreaded missile nerf, the ebil drone nerf, etc. It will survive Kali. I am not complaining about kali. I'm more than sure it will survive this path and many more. Show me where I state any concern about any changes of that nature. And I really don't need you to lecture me on what a valid constructive complaint is since you apparently didn't get it the first time I wrote it. That seems to be your phrase of the week isn't it, whether you are using your moderator alt or this player alt. But, let's try again shall we? MY VALID, CONSTRUCTIVE complaint is that CCP's communication process is poor and getting worse, as I stated the first time. I do not buy the argument that "it happens everytime". That just gives you and others self-granted permission to ignore all complaints because "it happens everytime" thus none are valid, eh?
Agnst Murder of Crows E N I G M A	Posted - 2006.11.17 07:08:00 - [58] Edited by: Agnst on 17/11/2006 07:13:11 Edited by: Agnst on 17/11/2006 07:09:16 Phrase of the week? I almost never post on this board. Anyway, you are probably right, I shouldnt have quoted you like that, my entire post was not directed at you more on the thread in general. The fact is that it does happen everytime, CCP's communication on the forums is decreased from the amount of flames they get when they post. Look at the t20 thread a few threads down and you will see what i mean. EDIT: Also what do you think the Dev Blogs are? EDIT: Spelling SquareEnix is Sony's defibrilator. If Sony flatlines SquareEnix will yell "CLEAR!!" and release a Final Fantasy title.
Miss Overlord Gallente EUROPEANS	Posted - 2006.11.17 09:39:00 - [59] some of the whinages - discussion has a purpose of giving CCP an idea of when they go to far or need to boost something they actively wade thro the posts and usuaully its public opinion that forces em to change some things not always to the way everyone wnats but a comprimised balanced position is put in

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