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Deda Tawate
Flashpoint Industries
The ROC
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Posted - 2011.12.06 05:33:00 -
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Hi, so since I'm an alt, I got a question for your all. How many of u lost a very expensive ship in missions by doing stupid things, or got web and scamb, or stuff like that??
BTW: I lost 2 tengu in a month cuz of scrumb lol, raging. |
Goose99
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
277
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Posted - 2011.12.06 05:53:00 -
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From dec 2007 to today, 6.3 mil players popped in highsec to mission rats, this compared to 7 mil players popped to blobs in null. That figure includes the 3.4 mil pods popped, which, btw, it's safe to assume, is from pvp (pod in a bubble, lulz), since rats don't pop pods.
People lose boats in pve to mission rats all the time, some of them very expensive too, worth hundreds or even thousands of pvp boats each. Most people get the idea that pvp is what drives the Eve economy, when in fact it's pve. Pvp is barely a blimp on the radar as far as the economy goes. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1933
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Posted - 2011.12.06 06:12:00 -
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Goose99 wrote:From dec 2007 to today, 6.3 mil players popped in highsec to mission rats Not quite.
6.3 mil players popped in highsec to NPC entities, including CONCORD, sentry guns, undirected POS turrets, faction navies, and other non-PvE acts.
Also, a third of those deaths are from newbie missions and lvl1s, leading to minuscule losses.
So no, PvE does not drive the EVE economy.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
19
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Posted - 2011.12.06 07:00:00 -
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At least two lokis,legion,fleet tempest in mission,fleet tempest in live event,mach,fleet Armageddon are most notable.
I tend to test things example loki with dcu II and med booster for tank(not even shield sub) hit angel extra bonus room and things go wrong from time to time :)
Oh i lost regular pest when inc first come out. |
Goose99
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
279
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Posted - 2011.12.06 07:10:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Goose99 wrote:From dec 2007 to today, 6.3 mil players popped in highsec to mission rats Not quite. 6.3 mil ships popped in highsec to NPC entities, including CONCORD, sentry guns, undirected POS turrets, faction navies, and other non-PvE acts. Also, a third of those deaths are from newbie missions and lvl1s, leading to minuscule losses on the scale of things. So no, PvE does not drive the EVE economy aside from providing a bit of lubrication. PvP is indeed a huge blimp on the radar, compared to the tiny blip of PvE.
Of the large BS sized hulls that's significant mineral sinks, 162k out of 170k Raven kills, and 100k out of 126k domi kills are from pve. The suicide gank boats, such arty Apocs and Brutix, didn't even make the pve kill list, nor did blob favorite BSes make the total/pvp list. None of boats that did are usable for ganking. Concord kills likely isn't as big a factor on total pve kills as you made it sound.
Btw, where did you get the info a 3rd are from lvl1s? The only clear thing is that 3.5 mil of pod kills are in that pvp category, which is already dominated by cheap bcs and frigs. |
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
163
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Posted - 2011.12.06 07:17:00 -
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I remember losing a Kestrel in a L1 when I was a newb... ISK wise it wasn't expensive but it had more sentimental value than all my other mission ships put together... |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1933
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Posted - 2011.12.06 07:33:00 -
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Goose99 wrote:Of the large BS sized hulls that's significant mineral sinks, 162k out of 170k Raven kills, and 100k out of 126k domi kills are from pve. So that's 4% of the kills accounted forGǪ not a huge economic driver. 
Quote:Concord kills likely isn't as big a factor on total pve kills as you made it sound. That shouldn't be too hard since I didn't make it sound like anything GÇö I merely qualified what goes into the NPC-killed heading, and it's not all PvE.
Quote:Btw, where did you get the info a 3rd are from lvl1s? Combine the numbers on the newbie-ship and frigate deaths (and top it off with a few destroyer deaths as well), none of which are gank materialGǪ bam! 2M+ deaths, closing in on 3M.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Pookoko
Sigma Sagittarii Inc.
5
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Posted - 2011.12.06 08:07:00 -
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I lost a mach once while alt-tab missioning at work. \o/ |
Majora Veneris
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2011.12.06 09:05:00 -
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2 Legions, 1 Tengu, CNR, a Rattler, and a couple of gila's myself. Oddly enough laughed at all of em but one of the legions. (my first T3)
A Good Forum Post Is Like A Skirt....
Long Enough To Cover The Subject Matter,
But Short Enough To Keep Things Interesting.
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Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2011.12.06 10:10:00 -
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Lost a Gila once. Wasn't paying attention, sentries popped a couple of triggers in a row, got scrammed and so badly damped I had trouble locking the scramming frigs.
Nearly lost an Ishtar in worlds collide - got full room aggro in the last pocket. The trouble with cruiser hulls is they don't last long if you get in trouble. Battleships can hull tank for long enough to kill the frigs and GTFO. |
King Rothgar
Autocannons Anonymous
54
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Posted - 2011.12.06 10:47:00 -
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I lost a revelation once in a lvl5 (years ago). The mission was the 3rd part of the big sting series, had 2 npc carriers so I decided to be a smartass and just drop a dread in there. Sadly I underestimated the dps of 60+ npc fighters. Went back with a smartbombing carrier to kill it all and scoop my own loot but that had to be the saddest way to lose a dread. |
george harries
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.12.06 10:49:00 -
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Was very drunk and decided to do a mission - fell asleep and next morning restarted eve;
Golem lost - 2x CN invul, CN BCU's pithi med booster - at the time must have been about 2.5bn + and clearly the wreck had gone- and I'm NOT a rich player - so grinded again (luckily the corp I was with built Golems so I just supplied the mats) and then about 2 months later did the same and lost another Golem - though not similar mods. Not a happy bunny.
Moral of the story - I don't drink anymore  !! |
Elistea
Seedless Inc
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
7
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Posted - 2011.12.06 11:14:00 -
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3,5 bil Paladin in HS long time ago. My aggro set drones agressed ninja looter and i was stupid enough to stay in site. Guess what happened next. |
Pappy McGee
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2011.12.06 11:25:00 -
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I let Captain Morgan take my legion for a spin one night; he and I were both pretty sure we could tank the scramming/webbing frigs along with the rest of the room. He and I were both pretty wrong. It was all kinds of faction and deadspace fit, too. |
Cipher Jones
129
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Posted - 2011.12.06 15:44:00 -
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Quote:(and top it off with a few destroyer deaths as well), none of which are gank materialGǪ bam! 2M+ deaths, closing in on 3M.
Proof that all theory class and no lab class makes for poor engineers.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
Goose99
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
283
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Posted - 2011.12.06 16:00:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Goose99 wrote:Of the large BS sized hulls that's significant mineral sinks, 162k out of 170k Raven kills, and 100k out of 126k domi kills are from pve. So that's 4% of the kills accounted forGǪ not a huge economic driver. Quote:Concord kills likely isn't as big a factor on total pve kills as you made it sound. That shouldn't be too hard since I didn't make it sound like anything GÇö I merely qualified what goes into the NPC-killed heading, and it's not all PvE. Quote:Btw, where did you get the info a 3rd are from lvl1s? Combine the numbers on the newbie-ship and frigate deaths (and top it off with a few destroyer deaths as well), none of which are gank materialGǪ bam! 2M+ deaths, closing in on 3M.
4%, if BS hull is equal to pods and rookie ships.
Speaking of rookie ships, if you compare final blow stats by ship type posted in devblog on 12/2 (with rookie ship kills) and those posted in forum on 12/4 (without rookie kills), it would appear rookie ship kills are just about entirely accounted within the difference, in the pvp kill category, mostly through cane, vega, and interceptor.
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3235
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=464085#post464085
It makes sense, as I doubt many ppl run missions in rookie ships. But lots of people fly it on their disposable alts. |
Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.06 17:37:00 -
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Loosing very expensive DRAKES all the time........................ |
A'Brantox Foson
Spiritus Draconis
4
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Posted - 2011.12.06 17:42:00 -
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I lost a tengu, dual gisti b-type fit.
To what one might ask?
Super powered summer time jamming strength of guristas.
This made me rage quit pve. I had also lost a 3bil tengu + 1.5bil implant clone whilst alt tabbed out scanning down some dude in a claymore. The account is now unsubbed. lol
Having now joined gallente militia, I have realized... this will never end, what with caldari rats being shitfaces. So i'm hanging up anything pve related, casting it aside, in favour of actually playing the game, instead of buffing my wallet. :)
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1945
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Posted - 2011.12.06 18:05:00 -
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Goose99 wrote:4%, if BS hull is equal to pods and rookie ships. GǪwhich it is, since we're counting # ships killed.
Quote:It makes sense, as I doubt many ppl run missions in rookie ships. But lots of people fly it on their disposable alts. WellGǪ all the rookies do, obviously, and given their awesome stopping power, I think it's safe to assume that anyone killed by an NPC will be victim to a mission (or belt) rat GÇö you're not exactly going to gank anyone in one. That said, I guess they might see occasional use as CONCORD-herders for various GCC manipulation tactics.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Goose99
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
290
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Posted - 2011.12.06 18:22:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Goose99 wrote:4%, if BS hull is equal to pods and rookie ships. GǪwhich it is, since we're counting # ships killed. Quote:It makes sense, as I doubt many ppl run missions in rookie ships. But lots of people fly it on their disposable alts. WellGǪ all the rookies do, obviously, and given their awesome stopping power, I think it's safe to assume that anyone killed by an NPC will be victim to a mission (or belt) rat GÇö you're not exactly going to gank anyone in one. That said, I guess they might see occasional use as CONCORD-herders for various GCC manipulation tactics.
Those rookie kills are from pvp kills of scout alts, not because ppl run missions in rookie ships. CCP did not post clarification on how many rookie ships are pvp and pve kills, but you can figure that out indirectly. I quoted CCP pvp kill stats with and without rookie kills, posted 2 days apart. But you conveniently edited that out of the quote. 
Rookie kills are inflating pvp kill count, even if you don't admit it. That aside, it's safe to at least assume the 3.5 mil pod kills are by players, ballooning the pvp kill category. |
Geinus
Reformed Fr33ks
Union 0f Revolution
0
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Posted - 2011.12.06 18:35:00 -
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ummm let me see, tengu (s) a shed load of t1 bs's, lost a mach to incusions most remembered loss my first rokh it felt like it took years to get in it and then a missed frig got the scram, only had crap drones skills and was in my first lvl4 mission (Pirate invasion - Sansha) then i had to watch as it took 25min's for my cap to fail then the tank followed......
The early days of eve seem so cruel..... |
Spineker
56
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Posted - 2011.12.06 18:36:00 -
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Pretty obvious Highsec is where the killing is going on.
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Goose99
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
291
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Posted - 2011.12.06 18:53:00 -
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Spineker wrote:Pretty obvious Highsec is where the killing is going on.
Correct
Devblog:
12/2007-12/2011
6,317,926 players popped to pve kills in highsec
7,061,988 players popped to pvp kills in nullsec
including:
3,468,179 pod kills |
Spineker
56
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Posted - 2011.12.06 19:00:00 -
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Some Dev:
As the top corps in wormhole space were posted, here's the same for high/low/null sec. Narrowed it down to just 2011 so far though:
Top 10: 2011 so far, kills in high sec, excluding capsules, shuttles and rookie ships.
Blue Republic 28,406
Red Federation 23,603
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers 7,775
Suddenly Ninjas 3,638
Nova Ardour 2,699
Privateers 2,521
Concentrated Evil 2,118
Gank Bangers 1,994
The PriestHood 1,921
Guy Fawkes Trust Fund 1,789
Top 10: 2011 so far, kills in low sec, excluding capsules, shuttles and rookie ships.
Heretic Army 9,010
the united 8,946
The Tuskers 7,990
Immortalis Inc. 5,650
Quantum Cats Syndicate 5,268
TunDraGon 4,330
Shadows Of The Federation 4,307
Wolfsbrigade 4,136
The Imperial Fedaykin 3,992
Snuff Box 3,881
Top 10: 2011 so far, most kills in null sec, excluding frigates, capsules, shuttles and rookie ships.
Fremen Sietch 7,538
GoonWaffe 6,894
SniggWaffe 5,951
Sniggerdly 5,338
Dreddit 5,206
D00M. 5,109
Xenobytes 4,708
Agony Unleashed 4,691
Free Space Tech 4,682
Interstellar eXodus 4,588 |
LunaK
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.12.06 19:23:00 -
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10/10's have claimed quite a few of my ships and still do from time to time when i'm sloppy or my logi m8 fucks up. I don't recall loosing any in empire, but probably a frigate or two in my first week. |
Kaanchana
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
44
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Posted - 2011.12.06 19:27:00 -
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tengu, geddon navy and apoc navy issue in the same week, and recently a paladin after crucible deployed.
Warped to mission gate, hit jump instead of approach and alt-tabbed to my next account. paladin jumped in by itself with no active hardeners or rappers and was gone by the time my alt came there. 2.7 bil loss coz i did not see what i clicked..
The first time when i was raging at ccp for implementing a good feature.. :( |
MadMuppet
Jarts
2
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Posted - 2011.12.06 23:24:00 -
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I've lost a total of four Machariels:
First one due to thinking that the C-5 shield recharger I put in was a XL type and not the Large one. Got scrammed and watch the room slowly eat me alive.
Second one lost when lost situational awareness and got hung up on terrain, drones popped a trigger, eaten alive.
Third one, ninja showed up and tripped the triggers for Lulz and I didn't catch what had happened in time. Webbed and scrammed while served on toast while the ninja laughed his @$$ off at me in local.
Fourth one, client froze, I could still hear combat going on but could not interact. By the time I was able to restart the client and get back logged on I was in a pod. A few minutes later there was a reboot of the server. Petition filed and I was issued my first 'our logs show nothing' reply. Near as I can tell drones popped the triggers and I was scrammed and never got an e-warp, but the logs would show my drones still fighting. (this was the day after I lost the third one, so it stung... a lot).
Something like 4.5 to 5 billion isk in losses.
-Mad
Never trust a soldier wearing velcroed insignia
While not perfect, I find the font at 13 pt and scaling at 90% to be pretty good, and overall better than the old font.-á |
The Renner
Canadian Operations
0
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Posted - 2011.12.06 23:58:00 -
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Lost a gila in some cosmos plex thing, stuff respawning on top of you ftl. |
leavwiz
Firestorm Tactical Research and Development
33
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Posted - 2011.12.07 00:09:00 -
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its been a while since i lost a ship in a high sec mission, but i lost a golem while stupidly taking a bio and a phone call during a lvl 5 between waves. then lost my spare rattlesnake while going in to fish out the golem wreck. , in the meantime my partner was sitting there the whole time afk on his passive tank rattler doing nothing and apparently attracting no attention whatsoever as he never moved into range. we still laugh about it . |
Minister of Death
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2011.12.07 00:37:00 -
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tengu - fell asleep in mission :(
nighthawk - fell asleep in mission :(
a few drakes - most from... guess.... fell asleep, 1 got hung up on accel gate in recon |
Heun zero
Aegis Evolution
Soldiers 0f Fortune
6
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Posted - 2011.12.07 01:40:00 -
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Lost a faction fitted CNR - falling asleep
Lost a golem because wasnt paying attention
that and I lost multiple drakes and ravens back when they were still expensive ships for me |
Space Momma
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2011.12.07 02:01:00 -
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How the hell do you lose a tengu in a mission :S
that doesnt even seem possible.... |
Teras Lakkos
1
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Posted - 2011.12.07 02:32:00 -
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Got a faction fit legion melted from full aggro in damsel lvl 4 (not scrammed ). I raged pretty hard, didnt even go back for the drop. And thats why I use battleships now.... |
Goose99
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
296
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Posted - 2011.12.07 03:13:00 -
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Space Momma wrote:How the hell do you lose a tengu in a mission :S
that doesnt even seem possible....
Maybe he got webbed. |
1-Up Mushroom
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
219
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Posted - 2011.12.07 03:33:00 -
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Nothing is expensive to me 
5 Senses In A Person... 4 Seasons In A Year... 3 Colors In A Stoplight... 2 Poles On The Earth... ONLY 1-UP MUSHROOM!!!-á If You Like My Sig, Like Me! |
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
19
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Posted - 2011.12.07 04:45:00 -
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Lost a properfit CNR due to "I'll just do 2 quick missions while in FW" ... Smoking pile of rubbish left after a tight fight with a neut-torp phoon. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1953
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Posted - 2011.12.07 05:16:00 -
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Goose99 wrote:Those rookie kills are from pvp kills of scout alts, not because ppl run missions in rookie ships. CCP did not post clarification on how many rookie ships are pvp and pve kills, but you can figure that out indirectly. So what.
Spineker wrote:Pretty obvious Highsec is where the killing is going on. Not really no.
Kill reports per character during November 2011 by sec group:
High sec: 0.67
Low sec: 3.04
Null sec: 2.29
Wormhole space: 1.03
So it's pretty obvious that highsec is the place to be if you never want to be killed. And anyway, if you're not a newbie running newbie missions, you're even safer than that since they make up a pretty huge percentage of the deaths.
Goose99 wrote:6,317,926 players popped to pve kills in highsec NPCs
7,061,988 players popped to pvp kills in nullsec No, those are not PvE kills. You need to stop making that nonsense up.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Surge Roth
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.12.07 05:22:00 -
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Not really a mission, but I did lose a loki in the easy vanguard site when i was soloing it.
The one in specific had all the freaking triggers popped and those damned frigs neut as hard as 2 battleship sized neuts. Regardless, I was doing ok once I got some range. But, I was taking a while to kill them (getting jammed often).
So, I decided to try and get a little bit closer to do more dps. I got too close to a webber and got scrammed swiftly after. They made quick work of my drones and my first loki's death was a slow and painful one. Took em 5 minutes to take me out.
The entire time I was slowly but surely leading them away from the warp in point so I can come back in my friend's punisher (he doesn't know) to kite them away while I went in with my rifter to salvage w/e mods I could get out of my loki. At least that went smooth.
If I wasn't impatient, I would of eventually soloed it that day. Also, it's terrible isk to solo, but I was bored and wanted to test the limits of my ship/char/modules. |
Hard1234
Dodging Bullets
Tritech Industries
2
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Posted - 2011.12.07 09:24:00 -
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Deda Tawate wrote:Hi, so since I'm an alt, I got a question for your all. How many of u lost a very expensive ship in missions by doing stupid things, or got web and scamb, or stuff like that??
BTW: I lost 2 tengu in a month cuz of scrumb lol, raging.
I lost tengu once in worlds collide lvl 4. Still didnt replace it. |
Kurogauna
Silent Agony
4
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Posted - 2011.12.07 09:35:00 -
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How can you loose ships in high secPVE dammit !
Everything is predictible ! (But yeah, if you fall asleep lol)
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Spineker
56
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Posted - 2011.12.07 19:57:00 -
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Mistakeningly aggro most of second room in Worlds Colide and you will find out how quickly you can die in missions. 8 or so elite frigs scram/web and brutix BCs and Battleships pounding you.
Yep you can die in highsec PVE happens all the time |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
133
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Posted - 2011.12.07 20:12:00 -
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Mission? Sleipnir to Buzz Kill when I left my shield booster on auto repeat and ran out of cap just as I popped up the BS wave while scrammed and webbed. Straight up ********, but that's also my biggest mission loss ever and hardly the most expensive ship I've ever taken out.
Also lost a Tengu and an Ishtar to the same BR 5/10. Final room can be a real ***** if you don't go in with some sort of plan. Oh, and remember: if you pop the overseer, make sure you bookmark a wreck before you warp out . That was probably my stupidest sober moment in five plus years of playing EVE. |
Spineker
56
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Posted - 2011.12.07 20:13:00 -
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How bad is the skill lost on a tech 3? I have not lost any tengus yet.... knock on wood. |
Kaanchana
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2011.12.07 20:17:00 -
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my tengu loss cost me lvl4 in elec sub even tho i had offensive and prop sub at lvl5. |
Goose99
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
299
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Posted - 2011.12.07 20:17:00 -
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Kaanchana wrote:my tengu loss cost me lvl4 in elec sub even tho i had offensive and prop sub at lvl5.
It's random. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
133
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Posted - 2011.12.07 20:23:00 -
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Spineker wrote:How bad is the skill lost on a tech 3? I have not lost any tengus yet.... knock on wood.
I got the maximum: a single rank 1 skill from 5 to 4. Which is, what, three days of training? Really not a big deal unless you plan on losing one with any regularity. |
Spineker
56
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Posted - 2011.12.07 20:56:00 -
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Ahh ok that is not too bad wasn't sure if they all went from 5 to 4 which would be painful more like 17 days there for me for all to go back up to V  |
Thomas Coe
Ater Erus
1
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Posted - 2011.12.07 21:33:00 -
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Just bought a mach and did my very first mission in it. Anyway about half way through the mish, a member of the corp that had war deced us warped in on me and pop.
Gutted to say the least.
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Deda Tawate
Flashpoint Industries
The ROC
1
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Posted - 2011.12.07 22:36:00 -
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Thomas Coe wrote:Just bought a mach and did my very first mission in it. Anyway about half way through the mish, a member of the corp that had war deced us warped in on me and pop.
Gutted to say the least.
lol, I know someone does that, it sucks so bad when ur doing mish and people jump in and shoot u down. |
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