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Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.19 11:43:00 - [61] Edited by: Butter Dog on 19/11/2006 11:43:49 Originally by: Mikelio Raijan Edited by: Mikelio Raijan on 19/11/2006 01:13:38 Now rendering 2 short vids with updated setup. (this time including rigs) Gasp as the Hype overtanks the the electron setup Thron! Cry as the Hype repairs enough of the neutron Throns DPS to take it down! All available for your viewing pleasure later tonight ladies and gentlemen. (Test server has been really laggy today but what fights we managed to get should be an accurate enough representation of what would happen should these ships meet on TQ with current stats) Ok here is, in direct response to (what am I everyones personal test ***** now) BD a Hyperion vs a duel MFS, 1600 plate, 7 Neutron, yada, yada Megathron. Drones are/were broken during filming and had been refusing to do anything at all, shouldn't make too much of a differance though tbh. Sorry I rushed the render and so the music has gone borked, not that it matters, only a demonstration. Thanks for that. Interesting. Though I'd still rather have a Damping BS than a 'slightly better' blaster boat, though thats personal preference. What was the Hype setup? 8 Electron II, standard mids, 2 x LAR II, 2 x EANM II, 1 x DC and an MFS II?
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.19 11:59:00 - [62] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 19/11/2006 11:59:44 Originally by: Butter Dog Big Celestis 6-7-6 layout Bonuses: 10% bonus to Sensor Damp range and 5% bonus to Sensor Damp strength per level Why? The Mega is a better blaster boat. The Hype and Mega are equal at sniping. This ship costs 75m MORE than the Mega. It either needs to be better OR different to it. Being significantly better will open up accusations of it being overpowered (which is probably true as the Mega is an excellent blaster platform). The answer is clearly not 'better', but 'different'. Give me a Big Celestis, please. /signed I'm tired of everyone but Caldari sucking ass at ewar. It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Dave10 Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.19 12:01:00 - [63] Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 19/11/2006 11:43:49 Originally by: Mikelio Raijan Edited by: Mikelio Raijan on 19/11/2006 01:13:38 Now rendering 2 short vids with updated setup. (this time including rigs) Gasp as the Hype overtanks the the electron setup Thron! Cry as the Hype repairs enough of the neutron Throns DPS to take it down! All available for your viewing pleasure later tonight ladies and gentlemen. (Test server has been really laggy today but what fights we managed to get should be an accurate enough representation of what would happen should these ships meet on TQ with current stats) Ok here is, in direct response to (what am I everyones personal test ***** now) BD a Hyperion vs a duel MFS, 1600 plate, 7 Neutron, yada, yada Megathron. Drones are/were broken during filming and had been refusing to do anything at all, shouldn't make too much of a differance though tbh. Sorry I rushed the render and so the music has gone borked, not that it matters, only a demonstration. Thanks for that. Interesting. Though I'd still rather have a Damping BS than a 'slightly better' blaster boat, though thats personal preference. What was the Hype setup? 8 Electron II, standard mids, 2 x LAR II, 2 x EANM II, 1 x DC and an MFS II? "slightly" would imply the fight was close. The hyperion tanked me when i had 970 gun DPS? the megat's tank cant hold up to any decent HP ship in kali? actually go test it instead of asking for some gimp ewar ship
Mikelio Raijan Sulithus	Posted - 2006.11.19 12:05:00 - [64] Updated the older post, it was 2x MFS, 2x energized adaptive 2's, 2x LAR2. You can happily drop one MFS for whatever you please though, if for some odd reason you dont think it tanks well enough.
Pattern Clarc The Priory	Posted - 2006.11.19 12:06:00 - [65] Edited by: Pattern Clarc on 19/11/2006 12:07:08 any rigs? i'd assume the nano bot thingy would have benifited the hype more due to the tanking boni Sig removed lacks EVE content, email [email protected] if you have any questions - Xorus
Dave10 Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.19 12:08:00 - [66] Originally by: Pattern Clarc Edited by: Pattern Clarc on 19/11/2006 12:07:08 any rigs? i'd assume the nano bot thingy would have benifited the hype more due to the tanking boni I had 2 +10% damage rigs, mike had 2 +10% armor rep amount rigs
Mikelio Raijan Sulithus	Posted - 2006.11.19 12:11:00 - [67] Originally by: Dave10 "slightly" would imply the fight was close. The hyperion tanked me when i had 970 gun DPS? the megat's tank cant hold up to any decent HP ship in kali? actually go test it instead of asking for some gimp ewar ship Getting angry because I keep posting vids of you loosing fights? Your going to force me to fly the mega in future fights now arn't you. But yeah the longer fights in kali combined with the way the megas tank tends to slip is leaving it with fewer and fewer ships it can beat up close, maby change the mega to even better work in a fleet role somehow. (yes i know 425's are cladari etc etc but I really dont want it to become obsolete)
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.19 16:28:00 - [68] Originally by: Dave10 Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 19/11/2006 11:43:49 Originally by: Mikelio Raijan Edited by: Mikelio Raijan on 19/11/2006 01:13:38 Now rendering 2 short vids with updated setup. (this time including rigs) Gasp as the Hype overtanks the the electron setup Thron! Cry as the Hype repairs enough of the neutron Throns DPS to take it down! All available for your viewing pleasure later tonight ladies and gentlemen. (Test server has been really laggy today but what fights we managed to get should be an accurate enough representation of what would happen should these ships meet on TQ with current stats) Ok here is, in direct response to (what am I everyones personal test ***** now) BD a Hyperion vs a duel MFS, 1600 plate, 7 Neutron, yada, yada Megathron. Drones are/were broken during filming and had been refusing to do anything at all, shouldn't make too much of a differance though tbh. Sorry I rushed the render and so the music has gone borked, not that it matters, only a demonstration. Thanks for that. Interesting. Though I'd still rather have a Damping BS than a 'slightly better' blaster boat, though thats personal preference. What was the Hype setup? 8 Electron II, standard mids, 2 x LAR II, 2 x EANM II, 1 x DC and an MFS II? "slightly" would imply the fight was close. The hyperion tanked me when i had 970 gun DPS? the megat's tank cant hold up to any decent HP ship in kali? actually go test it instead of asking for some gimp ewar ship A fairer fight would have been for you to use an Electron setup, with dual reps, plus an additional plate or additional MFS II over the Hyperion. Gank setups don't really work as well in Kali with the HP increase. But you can increase your DPS or tank with your lows. I think it would be closer then. Unfortunately, Nos is getting more and more important. But pre-Kali 'gank' setups are going to look very dated soon in the world of increased HP.
Dave10 Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.19 16:40:00 - [69] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Dave10 Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 19/11/2006 11:43:49 Originally by: Mikelio Raijan Edited by: Mikelio Raijan on 19/11/2006 01:13:38 Now rendering 2 short vids with updated setup. (this time including rigs) Gasp as the Hype overtanks the the electron setup Thron! Cry as the Hype repairs enough of the neutron Throns DPS to take it down! All available for your viewing pleasure later tonight ladies and gentlemen. (Test server has been really laggy today but what fights we managed to get should be an accurate enough representation of what would happen should these ships meet on TQ with current stats) Ok here is, in direct response to (what am I everyones personal test ***** now) BD a Hyperion vs a duel MFS, 1600 plate, 7 Neutron, yada, yada Megathron. Drones are/were broken during filming and had been refusing to do anything at all, shouldn't make too much of a differance though tbh. Sorry I rushed the render and so the music has gone borked, not that it matters, only a demonstration. Thanks for that. Interesting. Though I'd still rather have a Damping BS than a 'slightly better' blaster boat, though thats personal preference. What was the Hype setup? 8 Electron II, standard mids, 2 x LAR II, 2 x EANM II, 1 x DC and an MFS II? "slightly" would imply the fight was close. The hyperion tanked me when i had 970 gun DPS? the megat's tank cant hold up to any decent HP ship in kali? actually go test it instead of asking for some gimp ewar ship A fairer fight would have been for you to use an Electron setup, with dual reps, plus an additional plate or additional MFS II over the Hyperion. Gank setups don't really work as well in Kali with the HP increase. But you can increase your DPS or tank with your lows. I think it would be closer then. Unfortunately, Nos is getting more and more important. But pre-Kali 'gank' setups are going to look very dated soon in the world of increased HP. this is the first fight that we frapesed - my 1.2k dps electron setup. guess what? It got tanked and owned. Im sure mike has a video of it, it's probably in another thread(that you havent read)
Mikelio Raijan Sulithus	Posted - 2006.11.19 17:04:00 - [70] Edited by: Mikelio Raijan on 19/11/2006 17:06:09 Originally by: Butter Dog A fairer fight would have been for you to use an Electron setup, with dual reps, plus an additional plate or additional MFS II over the Hyperion. Gank setups don't really work as well in Kali with the HP increase. But you can increase your DPS or tank with your lows. I think it would be closer then. Unfortunately, Nos is getting more and more important. But pre-Kali 'gank' setups are going to look very dated soon in the world of increased HP. I edited the post at the top of the page this morning (the one you quoted) when the 2nd render had finished, it contains (the one marked electron) Dave10 using a duel rep, 3 mfs, electron thron with 2 repair rigs. I did the neutron one quickly last night especially for you as you were so sure it would rip me a new one, playing wack a mole with 3 threads about pretty much the same thing is getting old fast. We however have done the (my old electron on TQ setup) vs the Hype thing several times, it always ends with the Hype can tank more damage, so wins by a mile. (last 3 fights ended with me overtanking his damage due to drones not working)
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.19 17:10:00 - [71] I know the Hype is better tanker than the Mega. Yes, in 1v1's it beats the Mega. But, the Mega still pretty much beats everything else 1v1 in close range fights. So by introducing a blastership which can still beat everything else 1v1 plus the Mega, you havent added anything new to the game. A damping BS is a new capability, it adds variety to the game, gives new options, and gives players more reasons to play an experiment with new things.
Mikelio Raijan Sulithus	Posted - 2006.11.19 17:22:00 - [72] Ok so now were finally in agreement that the Hype is a better Blaster platform than the Mega, why scrap the Hype? The Mega is getting its ass handed to it by decent Abaddon (yes that sopposedly rubbish and totally gimped amarr ship) pilots, lets just scrap the thron and turn that into some crazy ass damp ship that ends up with a rack of ECM instead.
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.19 17:31:00 - [73] Edited by: Butter Dog on 19/11/2006 17:31:45 Originally by: Mikelio Raijan Ok so now were finally in agreement that the Hype is a better Blaster platform than the Mega, why scrap the Hype? The Mega is getting its ass handed to it by decent Abaddon (yes that sopposedly rubbish and totally gimped amarr ship) pilots, lets just scrap the thron and turn that into some crazy ass damp ship that ends up with a rack of ECM instead. Because the Mega is already the King of Close Range Combat. The Hyperion is also an excellent sniper. What you have, then, is a 'superior Megathron'. So whats the point of the Mega? Or, to put it another way, givent he Mega is already a great ship, whats the point of the Hype? What new capabilities does this ship give me? None. Apart from being able to kill another Megathron. I hardly think a ship with damping bonuses is going to use the new nerfed ECM. It will be a less effective ECM ship than the Domi is at the moment.
Mikelio Raijan Sulithus	Posted - 2006.11.19 17:58:00 - [74] 1. Because the Mega is already the King of Close Range Combat. Not anymore, you are understanding that the increased performance your seeing is not just applicable in fights vs a Mega? No longer will you arrive at your target after MWD'ing 20km to find yourself under 1/2 armour and struggling to keep out of hull, get some transversial and get your armour back up before pulling the fight around. 2. The Hyperion is also an excellent sniper. What you have, then, is a 'superior Megathron'. So whats the point of the Mega? Or, to put it another way, givent he Mega is already a great ship, whats the point of the Hype? The point of the Hype is to survive in Kali where the mega runs out of steam, or in reality, hitpoints. Yes I agree that they are very similar and one becomes pointless, but it is not the Hype becoming pointless, actually fight these new ubertanked Kali ships/setups and see how well the Mega is doing for yourself. 3. What new capabilities does this ship give me? None. Apart from being able to kill another Megathron. The ability to not loose so many ships in Kali. 4. I hardly think a ship with damping bonuses is going to use the new nerfed ECM. It will be a less effective ECM ship than the Domi is at the moment. You think that the Domi is no longer an effective ECM boat? It is still the imba annoying bugger of a ship you find on TQ, if you want a teir 3 dampship instead of the Hype then the mega is going to need some big loving, right now its like using machine gun on a tank, people will laugh at you as you realise it's not going well and you have to run away.
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.19 21:11:00 - [75] A slighty better megathron is pointless. A Mega can still beat any other BS in the game at close range, and is better at short-medium range thanks to the Null tracking nerf. Its still a great sniper. The Hype adds nothing new. Though it looks great.
Dave10 Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.19 21:25:00 - [76] Originally by: Butter Dog A slighty better megathron is pointless. A Mega can still beat any other BS in the game at close range, and is better at short-medium range thanks to the Null tracking nerf. Its still a great sniper. The Hype adds nothing new. Though it looks great. have you actually installed Kali? the megathron now gets served due to its subpar tank overtime to kill the new high hp ships. and if you actually watched the videos, the hyp was tracking fine at 500m(3-4k under optimal) against a webbed but moving BS.
Rehen Sulithus	Posted - 2006.11.19 21:45:00 - [77] Originally by: Butter Dog A slighty better megathron is pointless. A Mega can still beat any other BS in the game at close range, and is better at short-medium range thanks to the Null tracking nerf. Its still a great sniper. The Hype adds nothing new. Though it looks great. OK are you not reading what has been said this is about kali and in kali a mega cant beat any other BS in the game at close range anymore atchaly the nos domi always caused it problems but ontop of that the amarr and minm teir 3's totaly out class it. It is a good sniper can do a nice bit of damage with 4 damage mods, with its cheapness and traking bonus's it still has a place in fleets and groups.
Pattern Clarc The Priory	Posted - 2006.11.19 21:50:00 - [78] Edited by: Pattern Clarc on 19/11/2006 21:50:34 Originally by: Rehen Originally by: Butter Dog A slighty better megathron is pointless. A Mega can still beat any other BS in the game at close range, and is better at short-medium range thanks to the Null tracking nerf. Its still a great sniper. The Hype adds nothing new. Though it looks great. OK are you not reading what has been said this is about kali and in kali a mega cant beat any other BS in the game at close range anymore atchaly the nos domi always caused it problems but ontop of that the amarr and minm teir 3's totaly out class it. It is a good sniper can do a nice bit of damage with 4 damage mods, with its cheapness and traking bonus's it still has a place in fleets and groups. yeah BD, he's right, shield tanked malestrom soaks up alot of the blaster thron's damage. and 2v2, the hp chnages mean groups of throns would more than likely lose to anything else. What now bugs me is that the only reason why the hype isn't as good a sniper as the thron is because of the targeting hash... which means very little as you can place an extra sensor booster with that 5th slot... whatever... I'm just glad it doesn't look like a butt plug, now fix it's guns and give it a 120m3 - 125m3 drone bay and i'll gladly pay 180mill for it kthnk Sig removed lacks EVE content, email [email protected] if you have any questions - Xorus
Shavannah k'theral Amarr	Posted - 2006.11.19 22:34:00 - [79] i like blasterboats, so after do some checks on hyperion, and some other ships i found a weird option. Since i'm not expert on caldari issues, did someone test the performance of a hyperion with a passive shield tank, if we consider he fly along an arazu? The shield stats of the hyperion just look so weird for everyone or i just drunk too much tonight?
Pattern Clarc The Priory	Posted - 2006.11.19 22:41:00 - [80] shhhhh Sig removed lacks EVE content, email [email protected] if you have any questions - Xorus
velocoraptor Gallente Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.21 17:24:00 - [81] Originally by: Mutafakaz Edited by: Mutafakaz on 18/11/2006 21:51:13 Whine for changing domi into dampboat, anyways its hybrid dmg bonus is almost useless (nos ftw) Actually this could be uber, not for fleet battles of course. Changing the dmg bonus to 5% (10%?) damp effect would make the domi a pwnmachine in 1v1, or small gang, specially against NOT close-up-and-personal (see mega) BS's. Of course you would have to take away a low and give it a mid (or two). P.S. Thread hijack I guess and not much to do with hyp (which I know nothing about and don't have an opinion tbh), but still I would like to see it happening... Not many use dmg bonus anyway (xcept for that uber dmg blasts+drones setup, which I have yet to try, but doesn't seem to fly around a lot anyway)
Kodiak31415 Imperial Space Corporation	Posted - 2006.11.21 18:23:00 - [82] So basically as a blaster boat is concerned: Hype > Mega In long range fleet combat they are going to be about equal I'm guessing. So now we have this cool new hype that replaces the older mega which can't really adapt. Unless there is a HUGE price gap between the mega and the hype I don't see the mega getting used much in the future. Please tux, mega is one of the best looking "coolest" ships in the game don't let it become usless! _______________________________ Idea stolen from DS: T2 Synthetic oil. It will get drones to return to your bay!
Jacob Holland Gallente FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.11.21 18:31:00 - [83] No viable firepower, potent EWar (assuming eight mids) and something in the way of a tank... I think that sounds pretty much ideal, It would have to be more survivable than a Scorp by simple logic - it's Tier 3 while the Scorp is Tier 1 so it would be stupid if they were effectively identical. The Tier 3s are all aimed (seemingly) toward fleet operations, the Maelstrom with 8 Howies, the Rokh... just being the Rokh, the Abbadon providing comic relief as its cap dies before you can hit F8 The Hyperion doesn't fit that model at the moment but turning it into a Damping boat would. The Rokh adds considerably to the Caldari range, the Maelstrom seems to have found a place; the Abbadon seems to be a bigger 'geddon though and the Hyperion is always either going to make the Mega obsolete or be obsolete before it starts. Using the Mega as a Sniper makes it a one bonus ship (the tracking bonus is effectively pointless at snipe range, you already have tracking enhancers and/or computers on board and even unenhanced the tracking on a 425 rail isn't beaten by much at 200km and what does beat it beats it by more than 37.5%). Originally by: cordy Respect to IAC .Your one of the few people who truly deserve to own and live in the space you are in.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.21 18:41:00 - [84] The problem isn't which ship is better- as nice as it is to know, it doesn't matter a ***ed jot whther the Hype is better or the Mega is better. Thats the whole problem. Either the Hype is awesome (and your videos imply that it is) and it beats the Mega hands down at what the Mega can do. Or the Hype is not much better and the Mega is still king of the hill. In the latter, the Hype is a pointless ship (obviously bad). But in the former, the Mega has become a pointless ship- and thats equally bad. Either way Gall ends up with 1 pointless ship. Call me strange, but I like the idea of having a choice between 3 ships- I don't want to still* have the choice between Domi and [insert generic blaster ship here]. If it goes live atm, the Mega will simply be a poor mans Hype- and whats the point in that? It'll be the end of them as a PvP ship, thats for sure. -----------------------------------------------
Isyel Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.11.21 18:48:00 - [85] Originally by: Patch86 The problem isn't which ship is better- as nice as it is to know, it doesn't matter a ***ed jot whther the Hype is better or the Mega is better. Thats the whole problem. Either the Hype is awesome (and your videos imply that it is) and it beats the Mega hands down at what the Mega can do. Or the Hype is not much better and the Mega is still king of the hill. In the latter, the Hype is a pointless ship (obviously bad). But in the former, the Mega has become a pointless ship- and thats equally bad. Either way Gall ends up with 1 pointless ship. Call me strange, but I like the idea of having a choice between 3 ships- I don't want to still* have the choice between Domi and [insert generic blaster ship here]. If it goes live atm, the Mega will simply be a poor mans Hype- and whats the point in that? It'll be the end of them as a PvP ship, thats for sure. The gallente getting a pointless ship? No way! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I be needin' some sig love. sigh
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.21 18:58:00 - [86] Originally by: Isyel Originally by: Patch86 The problem isn't which ship is better- as nice as it is to know, it doesn't matter a ***ed jot whther the Hype is better or the Mega is better. Thats the whole problem. Either the Hype is awesome (and your videos imply that it is) and it beats the Mega hands down at what the Mega can do. Or the Hype is not much better and the Mega is still king of the hill. In the latter, the Hype is a pointless ship (obviously bad). But in the former, the Mega has become a pointless ship- and thats equally bad. Either way Gall ends up with 1 pointless ship. Call me strange, but I like the idea of having a choice between 3 ships- I don't want to still* have the choice between Domi and [insert generic blaster ship here]. If it goes live atm, the Mega will simply be a poor mans Hype- and whats the point in that? It'll be the end of them as a PvP ship, thats for sure. The gallente getting a pointless ship? No way! Heh, misery really does love company, then? -----------------------------------------------

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