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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
13275
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Posted - 2015.06.02 13:35:07 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:[edit: Oh, and as for "the laws of privacy". Smith vs Maryland, 1979. Owned. Content is in Iceland.  CCP izzz da LAW ! 
The case I mentioned establishes the precedent that an American citizen cannot have a reasonable expectation of privacy in electronic communications carried by a neutral third party.
It applies so long as one party is a U.S. citizen, basically.
The general meaning of what you quoted is to mock the concept of "the laws of privacy", of which there are none.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1771
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Posted - 2015.06.02 13:47:08 -
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baltec1 wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:I've been called a terrorist, a member of al-qaeda, a member of ISIS, and several other nasty things by people I've interacted with. It's sad really, because often times it's pretty offensive stuff, even to a middle aged white guy like me. I'm hard to offend, but racial and religious slurs will make it happen. On the other hand it does instantly and irrevocably assuage any possible guilt I may have felt for messing with them in the first place. I just don't like toxic people.
You haven't made it until a fox news nutcase declares you are a CIA front.
Give me time. I'm still trying here.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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virm pasuul
Viziam Amarr Empire
299
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Posted - 2015.06.02 14:07:22 -
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If you are incapable of making use of the many many in game mechanics to avoid being ganked, then why not just buy a permit and obey the code? It costs 10 million for one year. That's less than the hold value of 2 mackinaw cycles even at today's low mineral prices. It takes literally 1 hour per year to cover the permit cost. A gank of even a crap ship and no implants costs more, and that assumes you only get ganked once per year.
It's ok to have an ego and want to stand up to the code, the problem is you have to actually stand up to the code, just mouthing off isn't sufficient. Your ship will explode. If you are going to shun the code expect your resolve to be tested by those who are prepared to die for a just cause that they believe in. In short agents of the CODE are prepared to put on the line what you aren't. Bow down or suffer the consequences. Crying about it is a payout of a tithe in tears worth way more to them than the 10 million permit cost. You will pay in one currency or the other. It's not a question of if, but only when and how often.
What right do they have to do this? Superior force of arms and the will to take action. These two simple factors trump every bitter salty tear posted since the dawn of Tranquility. If you are crying over a gank, you are the problem, not someone else.
For me it's Darwin in space. The idiots explode, because their egos stand in the way of the logic. Evolve or face assisted extinction. |

Leliana Cami Cotte
Daylight's Burning
6
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Posted - 2015.06.02 14:10:35 -
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virm pasuul wrote:If you are incapable of making use of the many many in game mechanics to avoid being ganked, then why not just buy a permit and obey the code
I'm starting ForumCode. Everyone has to pay me 10m to post in the forums.
Lookie, I found where to edit my Signature!
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virm pasuul
Viziam Amarr Empire
299
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Posted - 2015.06.02 14:13:31 -
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What do you intend to do to enforce that? Without enforcement it's meaningless. With enforcement it becomes powerful. You literally could enforce it with sufficient will, as long as CCP decided it wasn't against the rules. I would love to see it done :)
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Freya Sertan
Provincia Septim
143
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Posted - 2015.06.02 15:23:05 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:As a self-proclaimed industrialist, but not a carebear, I of course am not fond of CODE. play-style, but I respect their right to exist and have fun in their own way. Shhh... Us non carebear bears are a myth as far as some of our "contemporaries" are concerned. We need a new animal, as 'bears' are tainted. I choose to be known as a "CareBison" from now on.
I call dibs on CareBull. |

Freya Sertan
Provincia Septim
143
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Posted - 2015.06.02 15:27:24 -
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Zaragram Dorgiers wrote:admiral root wrote:Our biggest resource is people, so yes, the "average" industrial player / corporate entitiy does have access. The average industrial corporation is as big as CODE? If not, then no- No they do not have access to the same level of resources that their opponents do. This doesn't make it /wrong/ to kill the industrials, and might even make it /right/ to kill them... But it is /not/ an even playing field.
Step One: Make friends outside of your corp. Step Two: Ask to fleet with them for mining ops. Step Three: Realize that we all play on one server so we all can know each other.
Saying you have limited resources is quite possibly the stupidest thing I've read about player interaction in... well, forever. The ONLY limit you have is how many people play EvE and how many actually want to befriend you. |

Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
11187
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Posted - 2015.06.02 15:51:28 -
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Freya Sertan wrote:Zaragram Dorgiers wrote:admiral root wrote:Our biggest resource is people, so yes, the "average" industrial player / corporate entitiy does have access. The average industrial corporation is as big as CODE? If not, then no- No they do not have access to the same level of resources that their opponents do. This doesn't make it /wrong/ to kill the industrials, and might even make it /right/ to kill them... But it is /not/ an even playing field. Step One: Make friends outside of your corp. Step Two: Ask to fleet with them for mining ops. Step Three: Realize that we all play on one server so we all can know each other. Saying you have limited resources is quite possibly the stupidest thing I've read about player interaction in... well, forever. The ONLY limit you have is how many people play EvE and how many actually want to befriend you.
Well said.
"Even playing field". Every time I see that I do a double take, because EVE isn't a MOBA. That phrase illustrates a big part of the dysfunction and disconnect the 'carebears' experience when dealing with the realties of the game like CODE or Goons or war decs etc. They all have this totally misplaced (in EVE at least) sense of 'fairness' that they can't seem to overcome.
Those of us who engage in similar activities (like PVE) and refrain from other activities (I don't gank and such) who don't have that misplaced expectation of fairness in a very 'asymmetrical' game get along much better with everything. We KNOW the people we are playing against (like awoxxers and gankers and scammers) aren't going to adhere to any rules but the EULA, and we plan accordingly.
That includes learning how the 'bad guys' (think through honest assessment, not the hurf blurf "they want me to play their way/leave high sec" BS some people mentally rely on) so you can avoid putting yourself in a bad situation.
The TL;DR of all that is that the term 'carebear' has nothing to do with whether or not a player PVEs or PVPs, rather it means "bad player who is a bad player because his mentality is wrong for the arena he's chosen to play in and he can't separate his emotions from his logic"
Us CareBisons and CareBulls along with a few CareButterflys and a single CareBaboon have been trying to teach the 'bears' the true ways of EVE, but they don't wanna learn so we're gonna kick them out of the CareAnimal Kingdom 
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kes88
Swords of Persephone
101
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Posted - 2015.06.02 15:59:39 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Is anyone else bothered by 'awoker'?
The guy's name was Awox
Perhaps it is a genetically engineered combination of an ewok and an Awoxer?
Oh man, that image makes me happy 
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Freya Sertan
Provincia Septim
143
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Posted - 2015.06.02 15:59:53 -
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Some of the best advice I ever got in game was to join the minerbumping channel. I can't imagine trying to play EvE without being in that channel. The best in game social interaction I've ever experienced. |

Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
675
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Posted - 2015.06.02 16:16:24 -
[161] - Quote
Freya Sertan wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:As a self-proclaimed industrialist, but not a carebear, I of course am not fond of CODE. play-style, but I respect their right to exist and have fun in their own way. Shhh... Us non carebear bears are a myth as far as some of our "contemporaries" are concerned. We need a new animal, as 'bears' are tainted. I choose to be known as a "CareBison" from now on. I call dibs on CareBull.
I call dibs on CareBearcat
Agony Unleashed is Recruiting - Small Gang PvP in Null Sec
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
11191
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Posted - 2015.06.02 16:21:32 -
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Elenahina wrote:Freya Sertan wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:As a self-proclaimed industrialist, but not a carebear, I of course am not fond of CODE. play-style, but I respect their right to exist and have fun in their own way. Shhh... Us non carebear bears are a myth as far as some of our "contemporaries" are concerned. We need a new animal, as 'bears' are tainted. I choose to be known as a "CareBison" from now on. I call dibs on CareBull. I call dibs on CareBearCat
I have no choice than to call dibs on CareGhost Bear (lol, Battletech fans will get it).
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
1100
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Posted - 2015.06.02 16:27:35 -
[163] - Quote
Vishanka wrote:Sorry for the question, but what or who is CODE? What are they doing? Never seen anything of them  We own Highsec
the Code ALWAYS wins
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V1P3RR
Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2015.06.02 17:35:25 -
[164] - Quote
Ima Wreckyou wrote:Vishanka wrote:Sorry for the question, but what or who is CODE? What are they doing? Never seen anything of them  We own Highsec
amen brother
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1761
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Posted - 2015.06.02 20:39:49 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Zaragram Dorgiers wrote:Because the average industrial player/corporate entity has access to the same resources and tactics that an alliance as large and well-funded as CODE has access to. Right.
I'm all for ganking. I like the danger and struggle that it produces by design, and it's a big factor in why I recently decided to start playing this game. People who choose to fly around in untanked, unprotected ships need to know the tradeoff they are taking, and that they are always a valid target for other players to bash and kill. But I'm not going to pretend that some fifteen-man Industrial corp I put in my crosshairs has any real potential to strike back against larger scale entities. The size and financial strength of CODEdot is the result of an exceptional amount of metagaming by its founder. Nobody prevents the "average industrial corp" from metagaming too, but no one is entitled to resources and tactics and all of those things you think you deserve. You have to earn it. Otherwise someone else who can metagame better than you can will come around to squash you like a bug. Learn to fight, or make allies who can fight. Being bad at the game shouldn't shield you from being creamed. The metagame is the main game. To be fair, gankers have had another questionable advantage. Repeated nerfs to our playstyle have forced us to band together. Industrialists pretty much get what they ask for because of the extreme number of players involved in the activity. I'm exaggerating of course, but look how the bowhead ehp was "rebalanced". CCP basically asked industrial players how much they wanted and gave it to them.
Founder of Violet Squadron, a small gang NPSI community! Mail me for more information.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie's Space Mediation Service!
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Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1850
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Posted - 2015.06.02 20:46:13 -
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Are we still GRRRRRRRing at CODE. for giving advices to a few people? |

BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1761
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Posted - 2015.06.02 20:53:16 -
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Ok, real talk. Who is the villian here?
A. Wendy and I (through an alt of mine) who infiltrated and wardecced the corp, drove the ceo out, and then encouraged the new players in the corp (yes these are legitimate new players) to join larger corps and/or npsi groups that can help them get established in the game.
B. The corp CEO who has been in eve for about 15 months. He recruited new players intro his corp, staged mining ops, took the ore and built an orca under the guise of using it to benefit the corp. After the loss of a procurer and tristan under wardec (these were the only losses) he left corp, took the orca with him, and told the new players to fend for themselves?
Wendy decided to use New Order propaganda as a joke. Until now she has had no affiliation with the new order and I left the organization four months ago. I enjoyed the fights I had with the corp CEO, complimented him on his pilot skill and even invited him to Violet Squadron (an npsi community that I run). The response I received was "I don't play with assholes", after which he called me a "******" and left.
I'll let you guys decide.
Founder of Violet Squadron, a small gang NPSI community! Mail me for more information.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie's Space Mediation Service!
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
21604
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Posted - 2015.06.02 20:56:06 -
[168] - Quote
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Ok, real talk. Who is the villian here?
A. Wendy and I (through an alt of mine) who infiltrated and wardecced the corp, drove the ceo out, and then encouraged the new players in the corp (yes these are legitimate new players) to join larger corps and/or npsi groups that can help them get established in the game.
B. The corp CEO who has been in eve for about 15 months. He recruited new players intro his corp, staged mining ops, took the ore and built an orca under the guise of using it to benefit the corp. After the loss of a procurer and tristan under wardec (these were the only losses) he left corp, took the orca with him, and told the new players to fend for themselves?
Wendy decided to use New Order propaganda as a joke. Until now she has had no affiliation with the new order and I left the organization four months ago. I enjoyed the fights I had with the corp CEO, complimented him on his pilot skill and even invited him to Violet Squadron (an npsi community that I run). The response I received was "I don't play with assholes", after which he called me a "******" and left.
I'll let you guys decide.
Sounds like a stand up guy. I cant believe you "griefed" him out of the game.. or corp.. or whatever originally happened... you big meanie.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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Terminus Antollare
Federal Logistics Initiative Conglomerate United Interests
3
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Posted - 2015.06.02 21:09:06 -
[169] - Quote
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Ok, real talk. Who is the villian here?
A. Wendy and I (through an alt of mine) who infiltrated and wardecced the corp, drove the ceo out, and then encouraged the new players in the corp (yes these are legitimate new players) to join larger corps and/or npsi groups that can help them get established in the game.
B. The corp CEO who has been in eve for about 15 months. He recruited new players intro his corp, staged mining ops, took the ore and built an orca under the guise of using it to benefit the corp. After the loss of a procurer and tristan under wardec (these were the only losses) he left corp, took the orca with him, and told the new players to fend for themselves?
Wendy decided to use New Order propaganda as a joke. Until now she has had no affiliation with the new order and I left the organization four months ago. I enjoyed the fights I had with the corp CEO, complimented him on his pilot skill and even invited him to Violet Squadron (an npsi community that I run). The response I received was "I don't play with assholes", after which he called me a "******" and left.
I'll let you guys decide.
You're a monster
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1763
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Posted - 2015.06.02 21:23:14 -
[170] - Quote
Terminus Antollare wrote:BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Ok, real talk. Who is the villian here?
A. Wendy and I (through an alt of mine) who infiltrated and wardecced the corp, drove the ceo out, and then encouraged the new players in the corp (yes these are legitimate new players) to join larger corps and/or npsi groups that can help them get established in the game.
B. The corp CEO who has been in eve for about 15 months. He recruited new players intro his corp, staged mining ops, took the ore and built an orca under the guise of using it to benefit the corp. After the loss of a procurer and tristan under wardec (these were the only losses) he left corp, took the orca with him, and told the new players to fend for themselves?
Wendy decided to use New Order propaganda as a joke. Until now she has had no affiliation with the new order and I left the organization four months ago. I enjoyed the fights I had with the corp CEO, complimented him on his pilot skill and even invited him to Violet Squadron (an npsi community that I run). The response I received was "I don't play with assholes", after which he called me a "******" and left.
I'll let you guys decide. You're a monster I prefer the term "scum of the earth", but "monster" will do.
Founder of Violet Squadron, a small gang NPSI community! Mail me for more information.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie's Space Mediation Service!
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Terminus Antollare
Federal Logistics Initiative Conglomerate United Interests
4
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Posted - 2015.06.02 21:30:58 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Terminus Antollare wrote:BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Ok, real talk. Who is the villian here?
A. Wendy and I (through an alt of mine) who infiltrated and wardecced the corp, drove the ceo out, and then encouraged the new players in the corp (yes these are legitimate new players) to join larger corps and/or npsi groups that can help them get established in the game.
B. The corp CEO who has been in eve for about 15 months. He recruited new players intro his corp, staged mining ops, took the ore and built an orca under the guise of using it to benefit the corp. After the loss of a procurer and tristan under wardec (these were the only losses) he left corp, took the orca with him, and told the new players to fend for themselves?
Wendy decided to use New Order propaganda as a joke. Until now she has had no affiliation with the new order and I left the organization four months ago. I enjoyed the fights I had with the corp CEO, complimented him on his pilot skill and even invited him to Violet Squadron (an npsi community that I run). The response I received was "I don't play with assholes", after which he called me a "******" and left.
I'll let you guys decide. You're a monster I prefer the term "scum of the earth", but "monster" will do.
You're the scum of the earth 
But seriously, When I first started reading this thread I was expecting a lot more drama, but it seemed quite civilized. More like putting down a pet than murdering someone. Better to go ahead and put the corp down than let it flounder for a while and have it agonizingly die off. |

Paranoid Loyd
5533
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Posted - 2015.06.02 21:31:04 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Zaragram Dorgiers wrote:Because the average industrial player/corporate entity has access to the same resources and tactics that an alliance as large and well-funded as CODE has access to. Right.
I'm all for ganking. I like the danger and struggle that it produces by design, and it's a big factor in why I recently decided to start playing this game. People who choose to fly around in untanked, unprotected ships need to know the tradeoff they are taking, and that they are always a valid target for other players to bash and kill. But I'm not going to pretend that some fifteen-man Industrial corp I put in my crosshairs has any real potential to strike back against larger scale entities. The size and financial strength of CODEdot is the result of an exceptional amount of metagaming by its founder. Nobody prevents the "average industrial corp" from metagaming too, but no one is entitled to resources and tactics and all of those things you think you deserve. You have to earn it. Otherwise someone else who can metagame better than you can will come around to squash you like a bug. Learn to fight, or make allies who can fight. Being bad at the game shouldn't shield you from being creamed. The metagame is the main game. I GÖÑ Sibs
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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token trade alt
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2015.06.02 22:20:26 -
[173] - Quote
So like, what does CODE actually do other than collect 10m isk per miner and gank anyway. I don't see how this changes hisec, and it's not really emergent gameplay since paying to be in an area is something that's been in MMOs since they started.
I mean, if you really need an elaborate reason to gank or bump people, sure, go for it. Didn't think anyone needed a reason beyond 'lulz' for fitting a catalyst and popping some hulks. But I digress, maybe griefing is also boring in hisec. |

Paranoid Loyd
5534
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Posted - 2015.06.02 22:33:43 -
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You mean besides ganking 14 trillion worth of ships and loot? If you love them, hate them or ignore them, one can't really dismiss that.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Otso Bakarti
Filial Pariahs
199
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Posted - 2015.06.02 22:46:04 -
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The grey-haired, balding, rotund belly children at CCP love this sort of thing. It makes them feel like they're still in daddy's garage playing vikings and eskimos.
I survived Win95
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
21611
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Posted - 2015.06.02 22:49:58 -
[176] - Quote
Otso Bakarti wrote:The grey-haired, balding, rotund belly children at CCP love this sort of thing. It makes them feel like they're still in daddy's garage playing vikings and eskimos.
Sounds like someone was never the Viking....
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
11202
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Posted - 2015.06.02 22:57:06 -
[177] - Quote
Otso Bakarti wrote:The grey-haired, balding, rotund belly children at CCP love this sort of thing. It makes them feel like they're still in daddy's garage playing vikings and eskimos.
Thank you for paying a sub (or better using plex) that fills the wallets of people you obviously don't like. Those of us who actually like CCPs product salute you 
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virm pasuul
Viziam Amarr Empire
301
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Posted - 2015.06.02 22:58:10 -
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token trade alt wrote:So like, what does CODE actually do other than collect 10m isk per miner and gank anyway. I don't see how this changes hisec, and it's not really emergent gameplay since paying to be in an area is something that's been in MMOs since they started.
I mean, if you really need an elaborate reason to gank or bump people, sure, go for it. Didn't think anyone needed a reason beyond 'lulz' for fitting a catalyst and popping some hulks. But I digress, maybe griefing is also boring in hisec.
It's a bit more subtle than that. Whilst each part can be examined and assessed in isolation with a critical eye the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. I believe this is quite deliberate and part of the genius of James 315. Think of it like the parts of an AK47. Each part is simple to manufacture, cheap, requires no specialization, can easily be copied or replaced. There is nothing special about any one part. Yet due to the design the parts fit together to make a virtually indestructible weapon that can take any amount of punishment in hostile environments and still function, doesn't jam, can be operated by people with minimal training, is very effective, and if it does break parts can be swapped with ease. Cleverness of design makes the end product more than the sum of its parts.
The CODE ask 10 million for a permit, and for the purchaser to follow the CODE. The 10 million is irrelevant, it may as well be one ISK. The permit fee isn't passed back to CODE it is kept by the agent. The money does not fund CODE, CODE is funded by donations. CODE could not be any more public about the donations, who makes them, how much etc... just read the blog. The purpose of the permit fee is purely to identify those individuals of a certain mindset. "I won't pay 1 ISK for a mining permit!" It is a litmus test, a dowsing rod, a detector. It detects those who are unable to grasp that they are playing a multi player game where non consensual interaction can occur between players. Basically there are two types of Eve players; Players who recognise that another player can interact with them in a way they don't desire and the result comes down to force of arms. These pragmatic players then recognise and adapt to their environment. They adjust their behaviour according to external stimulus - one of the basic definitions of life. The second type of player upon experiencing undesirable interaction has a mental block towards the reality of Eve. They rationalise that their negative experience is the result of a flaw or fault that must be fixed. Hence the refusal to accept even CCP's stance of what is or isn't proper in the game. "I got ganked. CCP is wrong to allow ganking. I will complain to CCP in the hope they fix their error." A prime example of this is the original post. This second type of player is what the permit purchase litmus test is designed to sort from the first. It is very fast and effective in producing the test results. CODE then apply force to the mentally inflexible player to either show the player the error inherent in their ideology, or swat them and make them an example to others. Quite often the player is unable to mentally reconcile their belief "I should be able to xxxxx in total safety in Eve, because I want to." with the fact that they just exploded. but but but.....
The truth is CODE perform a very valuable service to the whole Eve community.They actually have to put quite a lot of time, effort, and ISK into the process. They are doing it for the good of the whole game. Hate them if you want, but Eve would be a much poorer game for all of us if they didn't put so much time and effort it. I for one salute them for their altruistic efforts and the genius James 315, Saviour of High Sec who put this master crafted plan together for all our benefit.
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Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
376
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Posted - 2015.06.02 23:32:24 -
[179] - Quote
Elenahina wrote:Freya Sertan wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:As a self-proclaimed industrialist, but not a carebear, I of course am not fond of CODE. play-style, but I respect their right to exist and have fun in their own way. Shhh... Us non carebear bears are a myth as far as some of our "contemporaries" are concerned. We need a new animal, as 'bears' are tainted. I choose to be known as a "CareBison" from now on. I call dibs on CareBull. I call dibs on CareBearcat
How about Carewolf. "I saw a Carewolf orbiting the Jita undock. His off-grid boosting was perfect. Ughhhhhh! |

BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
435
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Posted - 2015.06.02 23:55:02 -
[180] - Quote
When I think of CODE, I think of little drooling Idiot Savant nubs who sit around laughing while they play with themselves and drool on their t-shirts unwashed for months...every once in awhile their caregiver changes their diaper... |
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