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Rhastafan
Cadre Assault Force
Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2011.12.06 09:16:00 -
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That mount medium sized weapons? It seems a logical progression now that we have Battlecruisers mounting large sized weapons. |
Zarnak Wulf
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
123
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Posted - 2011.12.06 09:29:00 -
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Came into thread prepared to give detailed analysis of buffed destroyers. I'm leaving feeling somewhat cheated. I think there's a better chance of the AF being redone in this fashion. |
Max Von Sydow
Droneboat Diplomacy
69
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Posted - 2011.12.06 11:02:00 -
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I would rather see new destroyers using the other weapon systems for each race.
Drones for gallente, light missiles for caldari and rockets (?) for amarr. No idea what minmatar should get, unless they get the rockets and amarr get something else. |
Pappy McGee
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2011.12.06 11:30:00 -
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How about fourth tier battleships with XL guns! It seems a logical progression now that we have Battlecruisers mounting large size weapons... |
DaDudeinDump
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.12.06 12:29:00 -
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Zarnak Wulf wrote:Came into thread prepared to give detailed analysis of buffed destroyers. I'm leaving feeling somewhat cheated. I think there's a better chance of the AF being redone in this fashion.
Frigates with medium guns? I wonder how that would look... |
Korin Corax
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2011.12.06 13:12:00 -
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DaDudeinDump wrote:Zarnak Wulf wrote:Came into thread prepared to give detailed analysis of buffed destroyers. I'm leaving feeling somewhat cheated. I think there's a better chance of the AF being redone in this fashion. Frigates with medium guns? I wonder how that would look...
Silly?
Would rather see Command Destroyers as boosters for frig gangs tbh. That said I still think Stealth Bombers should of used Destroyer hulls, but that's just a personal thing.
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Lady Spank
GET OUT NASTY FACE
315
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Posted - 2011.12.06 13:19:00 -
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Korin Corax wrote:DaDudeinDump wrote:Zarnak Wulf wrote:Came into thread prepared to give detailed analysis of buffed destroyers. I'm leaving feeling somewhat cheated. I think there's a better chance of the AF being redone in this fashion. Frigates with medium guns? I wonder how that would look... Silly?
Why not add more with large weapons, because bombers are fine yeah?
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Abenham
No-Mercy
3
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Posted - 2011.12.06 13:27:00 -
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That Imicus and that Velator look awesome! Rifter with an oversized gun on it looks cool too! |
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.06 13:36:00 -
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What we need is new tier 2 dreads with XXL-sized weapons that can destroy planets. Its a logical followup for the new tier3 battlecruisers. |
Wyte Ragnarok
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.12.06 14:07:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/ladyspank/power_velator.jpg
That is so much right there |
Fix My Lasers
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2011.12.06 15:35:00 -
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Rhastafan wrote:That mount medium sized weapons? It seems a logical progression now that we have Battlecruisers mounting large sized weapons.
Actually it is interesting.
Since new t3 BCs are useless Destroyers with the medium guns might work.
Or even boost Assault Frigs so they could mount them.
I don't feed the trolls. |
Alara IonStorm
RvB - BLUE Republic
556
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Posted - 2011.12.06 16:48:00 -
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Fix My Lasers wrote:
Since new t3 BCs are useless
The amount of stupidity in this statement is...
Well it is frankly just incredible. |
Goose99
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
285
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Posted - 2011.12.06 16:54:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Fix My Lasers wrote:
Since new non-Winmatar t3 BCs are useless
The amount of stupidity in this statement is... Well it is frankly just incredible.
There, I fixed that for you. Happy? |
Rawls Canardly
Phoenix Confederation
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Posted - 2011.12.06 16:59:00 -
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Id rather see heavy bombers and new hulls. |
Alara IonStorm
RvB - BLUE Republic
558
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Posted - 2011.12.06 16:59:00 -
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Goose99 wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:Fix My Lasers wrote:
Since new non-Winmatar t3 BCs are useless
The amount of stupidity in this statement is... Well it is frankly just incredible. There, I fixed that for you. Happy?
Fare enough.
Though the Amarr one is not bad to be honest.
But god the Nado is just somethin else. |
Filan Fyretracker
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.12.06 20:35:00 -
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Tier 2 destroyers would be pretty awesome. caldari one with 8 light launchers(Super-Kestral! basically).
the big issue with Destroyers is they have a huge sig but do not always back that up with the right amount of pew pew. and buffing them always gets the AF crowd's panties in a knot because they fear a tech 1 boat that is far cheaper than their AF being able to alpha said AF(id imagine 8 light missiles being a good sized threat to an AF or even an inty if such a destroyer existed) |
Wyte Ragnarok
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.12.06 21:49:00 -
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Max Von Sydow wrote:light missiles for caldari
A new Caldari destroyer with 8 light missile launchers would be quite fun |
Skinae
Hello Kitty Hug Patrol
19
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Posted - 2011.12.06 22:01:00 -
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I want a Tech 3 Destroyer so amazingly bad. |
Norris Packard
Wings of Redemption
Black Flag Alliance
5
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Posted - 2011.12.06 23:23:00 -
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First there is a historic basis for the new style of Battlecruisers. Tier 1 & 2 BCs are based off of the historic German battlecruiser philosophy and the new tier 3s are based off of the English battlecruiser philosophy and the proposal has been floating around out there to add in the English style since the introduction of teir 1 battlecruisers. There was a major role to fill with the current tier 3s that is fast firepower that can keep up with cruiser gangs.
Destroyers on the other hand are escort vessels to protect the fleet from smaller threats such as drones and frigates they are there for fire support and while I would love to see more variety of destroyers out there cramming on medium weapon systems really has no role. There are already light cruisers that do a better job in the destroyer role already and so what you are proposing would just make weaker existing ships. If you want fast cruiser firepower with medium guns try flying a Nanoed Shield buffered Stabber/Omen/Caracal (I am sure a gallente one can also fit this role) any of these would be able to fill this role that you seem to be trying to build a new class around.
These cruisers can be fitted with Nanofibers or Polycarbon Engine Housings to give them the agility and speed of the current destroyers while still having enough slots to fit them out with much better protection and firepower than their destroyer friends.
I personaly would like to see destroyers that have the powergrid, CPU, and hull attributes of a cruiser, light drone bays with less guns than the current renditions but allowing utility highs and more dps than the current Destroyers as long as their drones are out and as long as they survive but less dps when the drones are killed. Make them tough and built to stay with the fleet but still focuses on their intended targets, small ships. |
MetalDev
Special Situations
TOHA Conglomerate
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Posted - 2011.12.06 23:49:00 -
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Destroyers need some love. Its like they were completely ignored. They dont really do much of anything particularly well, and you never see them. Maybe tier 2 destroyers should be made and a bit less useless. Theyre a relic from early days of eve |
Norris Packard
Wings of Redemption
Black Flag Alliance
5
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Posted - 2011.12.06 23:53:00 -
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MetalDev wrote:Destroyers need some love. Its like they were completely ignored. They dont really do much of anything particularly well, and you never see them. Maybe tier 2 destroyers should be made and a bit less useless. Theyre a relic from early days of eve
They came out with Tier 1 BCs and this is the first time I can recall that they have been touched other than the tech 2 Interdictor nerf.
Edit: Forgot about the added role bonuses... Still that was ages ago. |
Khrage
0
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Posted - 2011.12.07 00:25:00 -
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Norris Packard wrote:Destroyers on the other hand are escort vessels to protect the fleet from smaller threats such as drones and frigates they are there for fire support and while I would love to see more variety of destroyers out there cramming on medium weapon systems really has no role.
^this.
MetalDev wrote:Destroyers need some love. Its like they were completely ignored. They dont really do much of anything particularly well, and you never see them. Maybe tier 2 destroyers should be made and a bit less useless. Theyre a relic from early days of eve
they just got a buff from crucible. where have you been? |
Khrage
0
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Posted - 2011.12.07 00:39:00 -
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Filan Fyretracker wrote:Tier 2 destroyers would be pretty awesome. caldari one with 8 light launchers(Super-Kestral! basically).
Wyte Ragnarok wrote:Max Von Sydow wrote:light missiles for caldari A new Caldari destroyer with 8 light missile launchers would be quite fun
the Flycatcher already as 6 launchers bonused three times. get a caracal and strap on 5 bonused assault launchers (light missiles). |
Norris Packard
Wings of Redemption
Black Flag Alliance
5
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Posted - 2011.12.07 06:45:00 -
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Khrage wrote:Filan Fyretracker wrote:Tier 2 destroyers would be pretty awesome. caldari one with 8 light launchers(Super-Kestral! basically).
Wyte Ragnarok wrote:Max Von Sydow wrote:light missiles for caldari A new Caldari destroyer with 8 light missile launchers would be quite fun the Flycatcher already as 6 launchers bonused three times. get a caracal and strap on 5 bonused assault launchers (light missiles).
Flycatchers have problems of their own and don't have the fittings to deal with LMLs. Caracals fitted with AMLs are your best bet and they can be polycarboned to be just as fast as a destroyer if you really need to and are much more durable. |
Khrage
0
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Posted - 2011.12.07 07:13:00 -
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Norris Packard wrote:[quote=Khrage]Flycatchers have problems of their own and don't have the fittings to deal with LMLs. Caracals fitted with AMLs are your best bet and they can be polycarboned to be just as fast as a destroyer if you really need to and are much more durable.
regardless adding another whole dessy class ship with a full rack of launcher hard points doesn't fit a niche that CCP wants. i find that quite evident since both the heretic and flycatcher are limited to just 6 launchers as well as the eris only having 4. and if they did they would just buff the flycatcher/heretic to do so. |
Norris Packard
Wings of Redemption
Black Flag Alliance
6
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Posted - 2011.12.07 07:39:00 -
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Khrage wrote:Norris Packard wrote:Flycatchers have problems of their own and don't have the fittings to deal with LMLs. Caracals fitted with AMLs are your best bet and they can be polycarboned to be just as fast as a destroyer if you really need to and are much more durable. regardless adding another whole dessy class ship with a full rack of launcher hard points doesn't fit a niche that CCP wants. i find that quite evident since both the heretic and flycatcher are limited to just 6 launchers as well as the eris only having 4. and if they did they would just buff the flycatcher/heretic to do so.
That is not the best comparison to use as they are very clearly outclassed by the Saber the only Interdictor that fields 7 of the same weapon. Eris is a split bonused ship and the Heretic had been originally (they updated it later). These ships could easily be updated with a seventh launcher hardpoint bringing them more in line with the saber. The other reason that looking at the interdictors as a judge for numbers of weapons on normal destroyers is not the best plan is that most interdictor fits forgo many of their weapon hardpoints already for being able to double bubble. Their ability to double bubble and blockade not just one side of a gate but both is why they are unique and interesting choices for bringing into fleets, if they did not have this ability then there would be no reason to utilize them and everyone would fly the much more survivable HICs. But because of the use of double bubbles it makes the need for that 7th weapon slot unnecessary as 6 slots are the most you will have for filling with weapons on most interdictors. This is not the case for tech 1 destroyers and so a 7-8 slot missile destroyer could be a reasonable ship for CCP to create. |
Zarnak Wulf
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
131
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Posted - 2011.12.07 08:00:00 -
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I read on eve 24 that tucked away in the patch notes is a little detail. Launching a bubble is an act of aggression now. You can't jump and double bubble anymore. Can anyone else confirm? |
Norris Packard
Wings of Redemption
Black Flag Alliance
6
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Posted - 2011.12.07 08:19:00 -
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Zarnak Wulf wrote:I read on eve 24 that tucked away in the patch notes is a little detail. Launching a bubble is an act of aggression now. You can't jump and double bubble anymore. Can anyone else confirm?
If that's true then that's the last nail in the coffin for interdictors... Hope that is not the case. I will try to check that out ASAP. |
Archare
SKEET ELITE
23
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Posted - 2011.12.07 08:30:00 -
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Zarnak Wulf wrote:I read on eve 24 that tucked away in the patch notes is a little detail. Launching a bubble is an act of aggression now. You can't jump and double bubble anymore. Can anyone else confirm?
Yes this is true and was in the patch notes
Quote:Modules
Launching a warp disrupt probe will give you aggression and prevent you from docking or jumping.
http://www.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp?newpatchlogID=3219 |
Zarnak Wulf
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
131
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Posted - 2011.12.07 08:36:00 -
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Eve 24 |
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