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Le Moineau Atlantis Kingdom Yulai Federation 35	Posted - 2015.06.03 02:35:08 - [1] - Quote Recently I created a alt account for hauling and other things. While freighting some cargo I was watching rookie help chat and this is what I saw and I quote, Rookie: How dangerous is null space? Random person: Null is lethal, if you go there you will die. Random person: Its just a matter of time. This conversation is exactly how I saw it go down in rookie help chat. This is exactly why newbro's are null averse. I made a post in rookie chat right after that exchange. Basically I told the newbro that he/she needed to find someone or a corp that would be willing to spend a little time to show them some techniques and with smart piloting, null is not as bad and some make it out to be. I know rookie help is open to anyone so your gonna find all kinds of people in there and there isn't much to be done about that. This is just my humble opinion but as far as helping new pilots experience all part of eve rookie chat seems to be a detriment in that area. As an aside I'm pretty new to null myself so I know how daunting venturing out into low/null can be.
Jenshae Chiroptera 1629	Posted - 2015.06.03 02:39:57 - [2] - Quote When NC. get shoo'ed away by Goons and Goons get bored then you will find Providence a peaceful desert. I don't think it matters. The adventurous will go, "To hell with it" and find out for themselves. The risk adverse will sit around in pockets hoping someone comes to their rescue and they are better off in High Sec. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom.
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 21626	Posted - 2015.06.03 02:41:28 - [3] - Quote Ive seen that more than a few times... like everytime I roll a new alt. Its a damn shame that the cowardly try to scare others into staying in the pillow fort with them. Youll also see a lot of "you shouldn't go to low/null unitl you have at least # of SP.." usually by the same people who said don't go to null in the first place. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 37775	Posted - 2015.06.03 02:42:32 - [4] - Quote There are some very warped views out there. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out 8133	Posted - 2015.06.03 03:21:55 - [5] - Quote Part of the problem is that when people are given a choice between a "yes/no" and "depends on X/Y/Z" people will listen more to the simple answer. Because it's easier. How did you Veterans start? The Skillpoint System and You
Robertis Olacar Viziam Amarr Empire 37	Posted - 2015.06.03 03:32:22 - [6] - Quote Mostly a solo pilot here so not sure what value you may place on my opinion in this matter, but null and low sec is just far safer for so many reasons. Mainly you know where you stand with the folks out in the depths, if they don't want you around they'll let you know in no uncertain terms. The conversations I had with random pilots have for the most part been fun if more or less siding on the strange, even the pilots that are hunting you are out having a laugh and a bit of fun. I haven't come across anyone trying to double my isk or give me a great looking deal in a contract. Most importantly not everyone out there is trying to kill you, I have learned more and have had more help from random pilots in deep space than in hi sec. At this stage in the game I only go to hi sec now to sell my cargo. Oh and you never get those "oh ****" moments in hi sec, I don't think I have ever left a a wormhole into a hi sec system to be confronted with a sea of bubbles and a couple of hundred pilots putting on an awesome light show
Azda Ja Green Skull LLC 3815	Posted - 2015.06.03 08:09:00 - [7] - Quote You should have seen the stuff people wrote in my rookie corp when I tried to get a lowsec roam going. "I only lose ships when I fly with Azda." - Barry Cuttlefish Because sometimes you die. And sometimes we are why. GSLLC is Recruiting.
Vek Hareka Fist Bumps All Around 22	Posted - 2015.06.03 08:26:55 - [8] - Quote Quote: Rookie: How dangerous is null space? Random person: Null is lethal, if you go there you will die. Random person: Its just a matter of time. Weeeeeell... Technically, this is correct: sooner or later, you WILL die if you go to null. (Same with low, WH and high.) It all depends what you do to postpone (or precipitate) this ineluctable fatality, what you do to recover from it and the fun you're having while doing so. Le Moineau did the right thing.
Otso Bakarti Filial Pariahs 201	Posted - 2015.06.03 09:48:08 - [9] - Quote Sorry. It's what people generally believe. So, it's what gets said. I notice people saying, "Find someone..." I never see them say, "I'm here. I'll show you." This elusive "someone" is pretty hard to find in EVE. Advising people to find "someone who..." is as bad as the other advice...sad state of affairs? Like you really care. If you did, you'd be passing invitations, not handing out generalized, pie in the sky advice. Find someone...ooOOOOoooOOOOOOo...he's out there....really...... I survived Win95
Samir Duran Xadi Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 21	Posted - 2015.06.03 11:06:40 - [10] - Quote Otso Bakarti wrote: Sorry. It's what people generally believe. So, it's what gets said. I notice people saying, "Find someone..." I never see them say, "I'm here. I'll show you." This elusive "someone" is pretty hard to find in EVE. Advising people to find "someone who..." is as bad as the other advice...sad state of affairs? Like you really care. If you did, you'd be passing invitations, not handing out generalized, pie in the sky advice. Find someone...ooOOOOoooOOOOOOo...he's out there....really...... Exactly but it should not be up to the players to guide people to nullsec. CCP could provide new pilots with the option to start in high sec, low sec or nullsec along with some guidance.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 6679	Posted - 2015.06.03 16:03:29 - [11] - Quote Le Moineau wrote: Recently I created a alt account for hauling and other things. While freighting some cargo I was watching rookie help chat and this is what I saw and I quote, Rookie: How dangerous is null space? Random person: Null is lethal, if you go there you will die. Random person: Its just a matter of time. This conversation is exactly how I saw it go down in rookie help chat. This is exactly why newbro's are null averse. I made a post in rookie chat right after that exchange. Basically I told the newbro that he/she needed to find someone or a corp that would be willing to spend a little time to show them some techniques and with smart piloting, null is not as bad and some make it out to be. I know rookie help is open to anyone so your gonna find all kinds of people in there and there isn't much to be done about that. This is just my humble opinion but as far as helping new pilots experience all part of eve rookie chat seems to be a detriment in that area. As an aside I'm pretty new to null myself so I know how daunting venturing out into low/null can be. I suspect it's done on purpose by the power blocs. The "Great Wall of Carebear" is as much psychological as it is "physical". Can't have "pubbies" and "plebs" getting all uppity and trying nullsec on their own, right? That might hurt the moon goo and safe farming. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 6679	Posted - 2015.06.03 16:08:34 - [12] - Quote Vek Hareka wrote: Quote: Rookie: How dangerous is null space? Random person: Null is lethal, if you go there you will die. Random person: Its just a matter of time. Weeeeeell... Technically, this is correct: sooner or later, you WILL die if you go to null. (Same with low, WH and high.) It all depends what you do to postpone (or precipitate) this ineluctable fatality, what you do to recover from it and the fun you're having while doing so. Le Moineau did the right thing. Actually, I don't think postpone is the correct approach so far as delaying the inevitable. No risk no reward most of the time. What matter more, I have found, is how much you accomplish in the game per your goals between the time of losing your ship. If ISK is your goal, and the factor of ship/material loss does not nuke your profit, then that's a win. Same thing for killboard. There are a lot of players who care little for such things and look for good fights. If you can get some fun in between getting turbo-stomped that's a win. I have seen people in nullsec who are so afraid of loss they ran off from certain victory. I've been caught red-handed in wormholes by 4 - 5 man gangs and they all run off because individually they feared I could take at least one with me and individually they feared being the one getting taken (when in fact it would have been like kicking a baby). Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Celise Katelo State War Academy Caldari State 109	Posted - 2015.06.03 16:21:21 - [13] - Quote *EVE pvp players ( well some, not all* ) act like Piranha that haven't had a meal in a couple of days...** Getting into Lowsec / Nullsec... These locations can be major issue / concern for many players, mainly because of all the gate campers... With so many bottle-necked routes. Most don't even make it past these gates. So you shoot yourself in the foot many times over by camping gates. Also camping stations... If you leave the players alone for a little while, & let them do something they intended on doing. They might be more receptive / inclined in staying. Then blow them up Something makes a plash in the water... before you blink ya already killmail. To add insult to injury you then get the killmail linked in your mail box... or some utter rubbish of how easy you was to kill & please come visit us again... ridicule, mockery blah blah comments. "Don't get me wrong i don't mind how anyone chooose to play the game, but every action will have consequence". Thus, resulting in players chatting about past experiences / warning others players not to make the same mistakes. Hence the stigma of players not wanting to go in such locations. This kinda play style is only really a select few players of the community as a hole... so this wall of text is for players that act like a Piranha at any chance they can get & add injury to insult with mockery comments. Please think how you treat others. Forbidden fruit ( Google pasted ) Is a phrase that originates from Genesis concerning Adam and Eve in Genesis 2:16GÇô17. In the narrative, the fruit of good and evil was eaten by Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. As a metaphor, the phrase typically refers to any indulgence or pleasure that is considered illegal or immoral. Flesh In the Book of Enoch [16] chapt. 1, verse 69: "And the third was named Gadreeel: he it is that showed the children of men all the blows of death, and he led astray Eve, and showed [the weapons of death to the sons of men], the shield and the coat of mail, and the sword for battle, and all the weapons of death to the children of men. And from his hand they have proceeded against those who dwell on the earth from that day and for evermore." Therefore, the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil was flesh and the methods to acquire it. "Once you have tasted the forbidden fruit you would always want more, bloodthirsty for more" EVEBoard ...Just over 20million skill points, each skill was chosen for a reason. I closed my eyes & clicked another skill to train... "BINGO...!!!" ... "This time i got something usefull"
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 23870	Posted - 2015.06.03 19:24:31 - [14] - Quote Celise Katelo wrote: *EVE pvp players ( well some, not all* ) act like Piranha that haven't had a meal in a couple of days...** Getting into Lowsec / Nullsec... These locations can be major issue / concern for many players, mainly because of all the gate campers... With so many bottle-necked routes. Most don't even make it past these gates. There are ways around that, DOTLAN and the in game map statistics are fantastic sources of intel when planning a route into lowsec or nullsec while trying to avoid gate-camps. I used to run PI a few jumps in and never really had a problem getting in or out, timezone can make a vast difference too. You'll die eventually but you won't die as often if you plan ahead rather than blithely wandering into a gate-camp and wondering what the hell happened. Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Le Moineau Atlantis Kingdom Yulai Federation 36	Posted - 2015.06.03 19:49:02 - [15] - Quote Otso Bakarti wrote: Sorry. It's what people generally believe. So, it's what gets said. I notice people saying, "Find someone..." I never see them say, "I'm here. I'll show you." This elusive "someone" is pretty hard to find in EVE. Advising people to find "someone who..." is as bad as the other advice...sad state of affairs? Like you really care. If you did, you'd be passing invitations, not handing out generalized, pie in the sky advice. Find someone...ooOOOOoooOOOOOOo...he's out there....really...... Well for one, I'll freely admit that I'm no where near qualified to show anyone the ropes. As I had stated and you so conveniently over looked, I myself am new to Null and pvp in general. I would do someone a diservice by trying to teach someone anything about null or pvp. Secondly I happen to know someone who actually teaches a pvp 101 course to new players. I met him as he had advertised his service in the ingame chat. I took a chance and I'm the better for it. Now I'm out and about in Lowsec and Null having a blast. I also steer new players to this person who are looking to learn how to use claws and fangs. Another thing I do is tell folks that there are corps and alliances who are new pilot friendly. For example Eveuni, Brave Newbies, Redemption Road and if I'm not mistaken the bigger alliances have corps dedicated to new players. For example Pandemic Horde.
Paranoid Loyd 5564	Posted - 2015.06.03 19:52:57 - [16] - Quote Le Moineau wrote: Otso Bakarti wrote: Sorry. It's what people generally believe. So, it's what gets said. I notice people saying, "Find someone..." I never see them say, "I'm here. I'll show you." This elusive "someone" is pretty hard to find in EVE. Advising people to find "someone who..." is as bad as the other advice...sad state of affairs? Like you really care. If you did, you'd be passing invitations, not handing out generalized, pie in the sky advice. Find someone...ooOOOOoooOOOOOOo...he's out there....really...... Well for one, I'll freely admit that I'm no where near qualified to show anyone the ropes. As I had stated and you so conveniently over looked, I myself am new to Null and pvp in general. I would do someone a diservice by trying to teach someone anything about null or pvp. Secondly I happen to know someone who actually teaches a pvp 101 course to new players. I met him as he had advertised his service in the ingame chat. I took a chance and I'm the better for it. Now I'm out and about in Lowsec and Null having a blast. I also steer new players to this person who are looking to learn how to use claws and fangs. Another thing I do is tell folks that there are corps and alliances who are new pilot friendly. For example Eveuni, Brave Newbies, Redemption Road and if I'm not mistaken the bigger alliances have corps dedicated to new players. For example Pandemic Horde. Pretty much anything he posts can safely be ignored. He only posted what he did to try to get a response out of you. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Celise Katelo State War Academy Caldari State 109	Posted - 2015.06.03 19:58:59 - [17] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Celise Katelo wrote: *EVE pvp players ( well some, not all* ) act like Piranha that haven't had a meal in a couple of days... Getting into Lowsec / Nullsec... These locations can be major issue / concern for many players, mainly because of all the gate campers... With so many bottle-necked routes. Most don't even make it past these gates. There are ways around that, DOTLAN and the in game map statistics are fantastic sources of intel when planning a route into lowsec or nullsec while trying to avoid gate-camps. I used to run PI a few jumps in and never really had a problem getting in or out, timezone can make a vast difference too. You'll die eventually but you won't die as often if you plan ahead rather than blithely wandering into a gate-camp and wondering what the hell happened. Yes, i couldn't agree more. Your points are very valid, & this kinda information would go along way with helping new players The only issue with your comment is that most new players will not plan ahead & check the map for the issues that could happen. Also many NPC corp members don't always give your kinda feedback, kinda like what the OP talked about. Saying this SWA does have many vet players that do give decent advice & help , but i think it can be over-shadowed by trollers & people that would rather spam utter rubbish. Trying to filter this out as a new player, perhaps wouldn't be any of the wiser on what the truth actually is. I must admit the feeling you get from appearing on the other side of the gate & nothing is about is rather a refreshing feeling, but i also get a buzz. Then the gate camp, you get target locked & they mess up. This time you manage to escape. Such a great feeling. ( transcendent feeling ) ... cya laters "wiggles ship" EVEBoard** ...Just over 20million skill points, each skill was chosen for a reason. I closed my eyes & clicked another skill to train... "BINGO...!!!" ... "This time i got something usefull"
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 23872	Posted - 2015.06.03 20:15:38 - [18] - Quote Celise Katelo wrote: Yes, i couldn't agree more. Your points are very valid, & this kinda information would go along way with helping new players The only issue with your comment is that most new players will not plan ahead & check the map for the issues that could happen. Also many NPC corp members don't always give your kinda feedback, kinda like what the OP talked about. Depending on how people approach them, especially newbies, most people will happily give tips on how not to die. As you say some campers will troll and just be arses about it, but many are quite willing to advise and more if their victim isn't whiny. Quote: Saying this SWA does have many vet players that do give decent advice & help , but i think it can be over-shadowed by trollers & people that would rather spam utter rubbish. Trying to filter this out as a new player, perhaps wouldn't be any of the wiser on what the truth actually is. Agreed there are people in the NPC corps who have very twisted views about Eve, and they exist for no reason other than to urinate in the water and poison it. Quote: I must admit the feeling you get from appearing on the other side of the gate & nothing is about is rather a refreshing feeling, but i also get a buzz. Then the gate camp, you get target locked & they mess up. This time you manage to escape. Such a great feeling. ( transcendent feeling ) ... cya laters "wiggles ship" Yep, you get it. Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Aza Ebanu Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 74	Posted - 2015.06.03 20:45:03 - [19] - Quote Le Moineau wrote: Recently I created a alt account for hauling and other things. While freighting some cargo I was watching rookie help chat and this is what I saw and I quote, Rookie: How dangerous is null space? Random person: Null is lethal, if you go there you will die. Random person: Its just a matter of time. This conversation is exactly how I saw it go down in rookie help chat. This is exactly why newbro's are null averse. I made a post in rookie chat right after that exchange. Basically I told the newbro that he/she needed to find someone or a corp that would be willing to spend a little time to show them some techniques and with smart piloting, null is not as bad and some make it out to be. I know rookie help is open to anyone so your gonna find all kinds of people in there and there isn't much to be done about that. This is just my humble opinion but as far as helping new pilots experience all part of eve rookie chat seems to be a detriment in that area. As an aside I'm pretty new to null myself so I know how daunting venturing out into low/null can be. Depends on what he player was trying to do. Besides, the null sec corp/alliance options suck....hard....
Lendren Blaze Orange Expeditions Absence of Light 14	Posted - 2015.06.03 23:10:55 - [20] - Quote Le Moineau wrote: Recently I created a alt account for hauling and other things. While freighting some cargo I was watching rookie help chat and this is what I saw and I quote, Rookie: How dangerous is null space? Random person: Null is lethal, if you go there you will die. Random person: Its just a matter of time. This conversation is exactly how I saw it go down in rookie help chat. This is exactly why newbro's are null averse. I made a post in rookie chat right after that exchange. Basically I told the newbro that he/she needed to find someone or a corp that would be willing to spend a little time to show them some techniques and with smart piloting, null is not as bad and some make it out to be. I know rookie help is open to anyone so your gonna find all kinds of people in there and there isn't much to be done about that. This is just my humble opinion but as far as helping new pilots experience all part of eve rookie chat seems to be a detriment in that area. As an aside I'm pretty new to null myself so I know how daunting venturing out into low/null can be. I lived in null for a short amount of time. It was waaaaay to boring, so I moved back to hi sec to add a bit of spice to the day.
March rabbit Federal Defense Union 1668	Posted - 2015.06.03 23:32:01 - [21] - Quote Le Moineau wrote: Recently I created a alt account for hauling and other things. While freighting some cargo I was watching rookie help chat and this is what I saw and I quote, Rookie: How dangerous is null space? Random person: Null is lethal, if you go there you will die. Random person: Its just a matter of time. .. and nothing of lie was told. Yes, you WILL die in 0.0. Yes, it is just matter of time. The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Hippinse University of Caille Gallente Federation 74	Posted - 2015.06.03 23:59:57 - [22] - Quote Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Ive seen that more than a few times... like everytime I roll a new alt. Its a damn shame that the cowardly try to scare others into staying in the pillow fort with them. Youll also see a lot of "you shouldn't go to low/null unitl you have at least # of SP.." usually by the same people who said don't go to null in the first place. I completely agree with your point but I'm still going to have to ask you to leave the pillow forts out of this. Pillow forts are cool.
Mayhaw Morgan State War Academy Caldari State 259	Posted - 2015.06.04 00:40:33 - [23] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: Otso Bakarti wrote: Sorry. It's what people generally believe. So, it's what gets said. I notice people saying, "Find someone..." I never see them say, "I'm here. I'll show you." This elusive "someone" is pretty hard to find in EVE. Advising people to find "someone who..." is as bad as the other advice...sad state of affairs? Like you really care. If you did, you'd be passing invitations, not handing out generalized, pie in the sky advice. Find someone...ooOOOOoooOOOOOOo...he's out there....really...... Pretty much anything [Otso Bakarti] posts can safely be ignored. He only posted what he did to try to get a response out of you. What response do you think he was trying to get? I happen to agree with what he said, not because it got a response, but because it seems to be true.
Claud Tiberius Caldari State 117	Posted - 2015.06.04 01:09:12 - [24] - Quote Le Moineau wrote: Recently I created a alt account for hauling and other things. While freighting some cargo I was watching rookie help chat and this is what I saw and I quote, Rookie: How dangerous is null space? Random person: Null is lethal, if you go there you will die. Random person: Its just a matter of time. This conversation is exactly how I saw it go down in rookie help chat. This is exactly why newbro's are null averse. I made a post in rookie chat right after that exchange. Basically I told the newbro that he/she needed to find someone or a corp that would be willing to spend a little time to show them some techniques and with smart piloting, null is not as bad and some make it out to be. I know rookie help is open to anyone so your gonna find all kinds of people in there and there isn't much to be done about that. This is just my humble opinion but as far as helping new pilots experience all part of eve rookie chat seems to be a detriment in that area. As an aside I'm pretty new to null myself so I know how daunting venturing out into low/null can be. The Random person didn't mention: If you join a large alliance and prepare your journey, then getting in and out of null is easy. Living in null is also as a consequence even easier. Although with the new sov mechanics, that might change when alliances break up, others become hostile etc (that's the theory). Being solo in null is dangerous, regardless of new or old the character is. Once upon a time the Golem had a Raven hull and it looked good. Then it transformed into a plataduck. The end.
Joia Crenca Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 140	Posted - 2015.06.04 01:29:16 - [25] - Quote Quote: Although with the new sov mechanics, that might change when alliances break up, others become hostile etc (that's the theory). This will be something to watch for a couple of months. Will it allow easier access to sov null, or will it get harder? NPC Null seems to be low sec with bubbles, and I don't anticipate that changing. Le Moineau - this was a good point to bring up. There are dangers, they do get blown past reality in the telling, but there are some that thrive on that tale-telling.
Otso Bakarti Filial Pariahs 202	Posted - 2015.06.04 06:43:26 - [26] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: Le Moineau wrote: Otso Bakarti wrote: Sorry. It's what people generally believe. So, it's what gets said. I notice people saying, "Find someone..." I never see them say, "I'm here. I'll show you." This elusive "someone" is pretty hard to find in EVE. Advising people to find "someone who..." is as bad as the other advice...sad state of affairs? Like you really care. If you did, you'd be passing invitations, not handing out generalized, pie in the sky advice. Find someone...ooOOOOoooOOOOOOo...he's out there....really...... Well for one, I'll freely admit that I'm no where near qualified to show anyone the ropes. As I had stated and you so conveniently over looked, I myself am new to Null and pvp in general. I would do someone a diservice by trying to teach someone anything about null or pvp. Secondly I happen to know someone who actually teaches a pvp 101 course to new players. I met him as he had advertised his service in the ingame chat. I took a chance and I'm the better for it. Now I'm out and about in Lowsec and Null having a blast. I also steer new players to this person who are looking to learn how to use claws and fangs. Another thing I do is tell folks that there are corps and alliances who are new pilot friendly. For example Eveuni, Brave Newbies, Redemption Road and if I'm not mistaken the bigger alliances have corps dedicated to new players. For example Pandemic Horde. Pretty much anything he posts can safely be ignored. He only posted what he did to try to get a response out of you. Now there's an intelligent post. Looks like someone's grabbing at straws....or flaming me? Whatever for??? I survived Win95
Le Moineau Atlantis Kingdom Yulai Federation 37	Posted - 2015.06.04 08:44:38 - [27] - Quote Look, the only thing I'm trying to do is shed some light on the subject. I used to be one of those people who didn't want to explore null/low sec. I stayed in high sec doing the same things over and over again. Personally I hate to think that people are leaving because of bad information. I'm going to be honest and say that I don't have a solution that everyone will like. But as a whole we as a community need to step up and show others that there is insane fun to be had out there. It would benefit everyone in the long run. It doesn't take much brain power to figure out that the more people that stay and play means more cool crap for us and more crap to blow up.
Nerath Naaris Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy 1003	Posted - 2015.06.04 09:04:59 - [28] - Quote The amount of of misinformation and outright falsehoods in the help channels is indeed staggering, even more so as certain types of players constantly hang out there and become sort of celebrities whose word becomes the Holy Grail. But really, complaining and outright whining about that here on the forums is surely the correct thing to do as opposed to.... I don-¦t know, go to those help channels and clarify this nonsense? Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20.
Demica Diaz SE-1 144	Posted - 2015.06.04 09:18:25 - [29] - Quote Null and Low Sec will become less and less lethal more time you spend in it. Fact.
afkalt Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 1336	Posted - 2015.06.04 09:27:47 - [30] - Quote Most newbies will die solo in null because they lack the experience to understand how to not die. It's pretty easy to not die, but to get that information you need to die a couple of times and/or research it thoroughly. Chicken & egg. It's hard to convey how not to die in the sea of the rookie help channel. Map stats is about all I try to push as that's self evident once they find it.

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