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Kassidus
Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2006.11.18 13:53:00 -
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Everyone says the Megathron is a better blaster boat correct?
Ok so gallente has a blaster boat..
Everyone says the rhok is the best sniper boat correct?
well what if the hyperion becomes a sniper on par with the rhok but ballanced for armor tanking ?
to ensure its not used as a blaster boat (since it would need a big grid increase like 2000) give it a 5%-7.5% bonus to "large rail guns" (no bonus for blasters ), and then keep the armor repair amount bonus.
then gallente (king of hybrids) has a blaster boat , a drone boat and a sniper. to further facilitate this you could change the mega bonus to effect only blasters keeping it seated as a blaster boat.
just an idea.
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David Koresch
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.18 13:55:00 -
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Ithildin
Gallente The Corporation The Corporation Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.18 13:55:00 -
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NO.
Gallente are close range. That's our thing. We don't need to take Caldari's thing away from them.
LESS symmetry. MORE specialization. GREATER fun.
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Kassidus
Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2006.11.18 14:01:00 -
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ok then basically like i said but reverse it, give the mega a rail damage bonus, and give the hype a blaster damage bonus and give a big enough grid boost to the hype to field the largest blasters available which should make up for the lack of tracking?
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Ihar Enda
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.18 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kassidus ok then basically like i said but reverse it, give the mega a rail damage bonus, and give the hype a blaster damage bonus and give a big enough grid boost to the hype to field the largest blasters available which should make up for the lack of tracking?
NO. Leave Mega alone, kthx.
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Lobo Noturno
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Posted - 2006.11.18 14:43:00 -
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I've been thinking about it. The best way to make the Hyperion the best blaster ship for gallente is making the megathron a worse blaster ship.(or else the hyperion ends overpowered...) What about trading the armor rep bonus of the hyperion with the tracking bonus of the megathron? Then the mega can rep better, but the hyperion has the right bonuses for a freaking short range ship!!!! One becomes gank oriented, the other lives longer. The repp bonus on the mega has minor effects on fleet battles(as tracking does nothing for it either), but makes it better for missions and ratting. At the same time, the Hyperion gains some actual dps from better tracking(not missing as frequently helps a lot) but has a weaker tank(gank OR tank, not both... close range should be gank) I am sure lovers of the blasterthron will cry about it, but hey, there is a new king in town for that function...
Lobo
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Ihar Enda
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.18 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ihar Enda NO. Leave Mega alone, kthx.
Yes, I've actually quoted myself...
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infraX
Caldari Finite Horizon The Red Skull
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Posted - 2006.11.18 14:50:00 -
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Edited by: infraX on 18/11/2006 14:56:50 I don't know what they have done to the Hyperion since the last time I tested it, but I hope they leave it like it is now. I worked out a killer setup today that maybe, just might make it a better Kali blasterboat than the megathron. Time will tell
Edit: I mean with regard to the fitting ofcourse. It still needs better agility to be the ultra-cool blasterboat they promised us. Some of the other stats are questionable aswell.
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.11.18 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Ihar Enda
Originally by: Ihar Enda NO. Leave Mega alone, kthx.
Yes, I've actually quoted myself...
You do know that the tracking bonus has been the bane and glory of the megathron for far too long right? It makes it the best blaster ship and the best fleet ship that the gallente could ever have. It makes the Tempest both the second best short range gunboat and the second best fleet sniper. It makes the Hyperion completely redundant and really makes little sense to have it in the first place.
Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
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Ihar Enda
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.18 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Originally by: Ihar Enda
Originally by: Ihar Enda NO. Leave Mega alone, kthx.
Yes, I've actually quoted myself...
You do know that the tracking bonus has been the bane and glory of the megathron for far too long right? It makes it the best blaster ship and the best fleet ship that the gallente could ever have. It makes the Tempest both the second best short range gunboat and the second best fleet sniper. It makes the Hyperion completely redundant and really makes little sense to have it in the first place.
Exactly - it makes no sense for hype to be a blaster boat. Make it something else, and leave existing (working) ships alone. The mega is supposed to be the best close range ship. Period. (unless the are some drastic changes)
As for Tempest being the second best fleet ship... *points at the Rokh*
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.11.18 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Ihar Enda
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Originally by: Ihar Enda
Originally by: Ihar Enda NO. Leave Mega alone, kthx.
Yes, I've actually quoted myself...
You do know that the tracking bonus has been the bane and glory of the megathron for far too long right? It makes it the best blaster ship and the best fleet ship that the gallente could ever have. It makes the Tempest both the second best short range gunboat and the second best fleet sniper. It makes the Hyperion completely redundant and really makes little sense to have it in the first place.
Exactly - it makes no sense for hype to be a blaster boat. Make it something else, and leave existing (working) ships alone. The mega is supposed to be the best close range ship. Period. (unless the are some drastic changes)
As for Tempest being the second best fleet ship... *points at the Rokh*
Until Kali hits... the Tempest is the second best fleet sniper in the game.
As for the hyperion... it needs to be a fleet celestis.
8[6/4turrets/missiles]/7/5
83km locking range
10% remote sensor dampner optimal range per level 5% hybrid damage per level 150 m/3 drone bay
Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
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Ihar Enda
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.18 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylana Syi As for the hyperion... it needs to be a fleet celestis.
8[6/4turrets/missiles]/7/5
83km locking range
10% remote sensor dampner optimal range per level 5% hybrid damage per level 150 m/3 drone bay
Change that hybrid damage to 5% dampener strength and we're set.
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Spike 68
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2006.11.18 16:30:00 -
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imo not having the tracking bonus doesnt really hurt it too much. The hyp does more dmg than a thron, just takes more skill to use it. Blaster ships dont want to be shooting things outside web range anyway. but if the target is webbed and youre webbed, there is no issue on tracking.
Sure both the Megathron and the Hyperion are blaster ships, but that would be like saying get rid of the tier 3 amarr bs because it uses mid-longer range energy weapons because the apoc can already do that. The logic is just flawed.
Yes the hyp may still have some issues *cough*powergrid*cough* but its still in testing. cant fit an ion setup without at least a pdu
Gallente having a rail boat, imo, is out of the question because thats what caldari do. (missles/rails). Gallente do the whole blasters/drones hence why no gallente ship gets an optimal range bonus, but many get a dmg bonus. As for no tracking bonus and hitting small stuff, you may only be able to hold 4 heavy drones in the hyperion, but you can hold 10 med if you wish. Although im sure a lot of pilots would like to see a 5th heavy drone in the future.
as for its other bonuses, repping over 1000 hp per a t2 rep and 990 with an accomo is pretty hot.
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ThaMa Gebir
Gallente Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2006.11.18 16:34:00 -
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What the hell is wrong with you all.
First all I see on the forums is "Gallente blaster ship please tux" etc etc.
Granted it doesn't have the bonuses it needs (mass reduction per level would be great instead of the **** fubar armour tank binus *bleugh*) but you do nothing but complain.
Please keep it all constructive like the other XXX thousand threads about it.
I am gradually losing faith in the maturity in the playerbase, and thats not something I want to see.
So please for everyones sanity keep it to constructive flaming rather than "WAAAHHHH PAnts 1337!!!!!oneone"
There will be no survivors now that i'm around - Xorus pwnt - Immy
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ThaMa Gebir
Gallente Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2006.11.18 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Spike 68 imo not having the tracking bonus doesnt really hurt it too much. The hyp does more dmg than a thron, just takes more skill to use it. Blaster ships dont want to be shooting things outside web range anyway. but if the target is webbed and youre webbed, there is no issue on tracking.
Sure both the Megathron and the Hyperion are blaster ships, but that would be like saying get rid of the tier 3 amarr bs because it uses mid-longer range energy weapons because the apoc can already do that. The logic is just flawed.
Yes the hyp may still have some issues *cough*powergrid*cough* but its still in testing. cant fit an ion setup without at least a pdu
Gallente having a rail boat, imo, is out of the question because thats what caldari do. (missles/rails). Gallente do the whole blasters/drones hence why no gallente ship gets an optimal range bonus, but many get a dmg bonus. As for no tracking bonus and hitting small stuff, you may only be able to hold 4 heavy drones in the hyperion, but you can hold 10 med if you wish. Although im sure a lot of pilots would like to see a 5th heavy drone in the future.
as for its other bonuses, repping over 1000 hp per a t2 rep and 990 with an accomo is pretty hot.
Am sorry to say but there is 1 (granted probably not the example you wanted, and agree with your point) Gallente ship with an optimal range bonus, the Enyo.
There will be no survivors now that i'm around - Xorus pwnt - Immy
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Ihar Enda
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.18 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Spike 68 Sure both the Megathron and the Hyperion are blaster ships, but that would be like saying get rid of the tier 3 amarr bs because it uses mid-longer range energy weapons because the apoc can already do that. The logic is just flawed.
No it's not flawed. Amarr could use a different ship too. Like a tracking disruptor ship or a drone carrier. Diversity = good.
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xOm3gAx
Caldari Bre-X
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Posted - 2006.11.18 16:40:00 -
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Edited by: xOm3gAx on 18/11/2006 16:41:35
Originally by: Kassidus Everyone says the Megathron is a better blaster boat correct?
Ok so gallente has a blaster boat..
Everyone says the rhok is the best sniper boat correct?
well what if the hyperion becomes a sniper on par with the rhok but ballanced for armor tanking ?
to ensure its not used as a blaster boat (since it would need a big grid increase like 2000) give it a 5%-7.5% bonus to "large rail guns" (no bonus for blasters ), and then keep the armor repair amount bonus.
then gallente (king of hybrids) has a blaster boat , a drone boat and a sniper. to further facilitate this you could change the mega bonus to effect only blasters keeping it seated as a blaster boat.
just an idea.
That just doesnt fit into backstory at all. Gallente ships are meant for close range combat and always have been originally their damage bonus' were strickly for blasters though enough complaining did get that changed and rails were exclusive to caldari eg: the raven at one time was actually a rail boat. Gallente can still fit rails now just not as effective as caldari as caldari get a range bonus (not dmg) and gallente get a dmg bonus (not range)
Edit: what might help is changing the hyp to have a tracking bonus OR dmg bonus and mwd bonus to cap usage or cap shrink ;) ---------------------------------------- http://www.oldnumber7.com/forumpic.gif Please ensure your signature is 24,000 bytes or less - Udat |
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