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Coasterbrian
Celestial Fleet
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.18 23:49:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: TricksR4Cats
I wouldnt mind the game being split into 4 main servers, all connected together through hourly / half hourly updates with things like escrow and what-not. Split the galaxy into quaters along regional lines and the market doesnt need to update all that much between them either.
To jump through to another quarter of the galaxy, the game autologs you onto that server.
Wow, that almost sounds like what we have now, with the game split into nodes over multiple machines and you change node whenever you dock or jump.
What a novel concept.
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Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.19 00:19:00 -
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In short, no I would stay on Tranquility.
Long answer, Eve should remain one shard. It is a cluster, not a server. More servers can be added to boost the power of the cluster. In laymans terms I would imagine with enough coin you could have one server per station, one per system (with another set of servers for market and chat etc). At the moment I think there are 2-3 systems per server except in special cases.
When walking in station comes in that could have a whole sub-cluster to take the load. If you can't look out a window and see the ships outside you don't need the data from the server that handles the stuff in space right? Therefore you can be on a seperate server to the guy outside in a Megathron.
Those of you who have taken part in any major POS conflict know that currently even if the power of an entire node is given to a single system that 300 figthers, 200 players, dreads and a POS will kill the node. CCP responded to this with a series of very specific tests on Singularity and have already started work on optimising the relevant code.
How do I know all this? I read it on the forums. Of course I could have misunderstood or over simplified.
The biggest problem is they way people naturally cluster. I live in 0.0 and except when there is a major (150+) battle I don't get lag. My client might crash from time to time but I have no evidence to suggest that is latency related. If I go to the core systems during peak time then yes, I do get lag.
Players need to spread out, how do we do that? I don't agree with making low sec or 0.0 safer to encourage folks. It's easy enough to get into if you chart a course manually around the choke points. I even know one guy who loaded a fast frigate with BPCs and just blazed through to an NPC station. Then he bought minerals and ninja mined what was missing until he could build proper equipment from the BPCs he took out there. In the end the local alliance just got used to him and buy minerals off him.
The fun of the frontier life is that you can make it big but you are always at risk. You also get to play with all the toys like interdictors. In real economies what is one of the driving factors for people to leave civilisation and go to the frontier in search of their fortune? poverty. Poverty born of overcrowding. Too many mouth feeding off too few resources. Can't find any omber? get a corp together, it's as common as Veld in 0.0. Trade market tapped out? take goods from the rim out to all those public access stations like ISS and Unity. Start with POS fuel and check the data to see what sells. As long as you keep the mark-up reasonable you can make a killing.
Frontier Mining and Trading exist and the few that have jumped on it are making it big. If you think the empire markets are too crowded then get some trade goods, fit for blockade running and come out to the vast and tractless frontier.
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Alpha Prime
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.19 00:45:00 -
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To answer your question, NO.
Like stated above, the magic of EVE is ONE world.
However!. Having the current progress of events in mind, i forsee EVE beeing unplayable by any reasonable standards by next summer.
Having Tux fixing the blasterships is like having
a blind man teaching you how to drive. Just wont work.
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Verone
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.11.19 00:48:00 -
[34]
Topic reads : Would you like to turn Eve into WoW in space?
Response : no.
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Patch Esquire
Di-Tron Light Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.19 01:44:00 -
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Shockingly, even if all the players are spread accross several persistent worlds (a la WoW) you still need the same amount of processing power and bandwidth and other such fancy words to keep the game playing for them. So the "multiple servers = less lag" thing isn't really all that big a deal. And the "overcrowded space" thing is easily solved- add more regions. And when these new region have filled up- add more regions 
The reason TQ is getting hammered atm is when a node which is happily pottering along at 50% capacity (lots of systems on one node, mostly empty, not a trace of lag) suddenly finds itself trying to host a 100 v 150 POS fleet gankage kind of thing. The answers to this come in two basic flavours- 1) Dynamic load balancing, that is always thrown about on the forums (sounds lovely, but is probably bloody difficult to do), and 2) Throw more hardware at it. The less systems per node, even when idling away happily at only 20% capacity, means its better equipped to deal with the omgfleetbbq when it happens.
Oh, and Jita- but if you insists on living in Jita, you'll get what you're given 
To sum up- splitting the servers wouldn't help a thing. All it would do is screw up an otherwise brilliant game concept by WoW-ifying it.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Nebula Rasa
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Posted - 2006.11.19 01:56:00 -
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For the 157th time, no.
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Areconus
Caldari
Cereal Killerz
Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.11.19 03:04:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Mak'ita
Eve has been growing by leeps and bonds, the future introduction of Avatars and all the new ideas from CCP (keep up the good work) is not gonna help the population of Tranquility, they are heading in my opinion to an overcrowded server , then again maybe not !! But if they ever needed to add a new server would you go too it? I know i would not mind transfering my toon to a new world :)
Direct your attention to the very top of this page.
"EVE Online The World's Largest Game Universe"
It wouldn't exactly be this with multiple servers now would it?
Gloria Stitz-
"Try not to bring reality in to these forums
Otherwise we might take the game seriously" |
tyrol
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.11.19 13:52:00 -
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Why have 2 servers then join them? Surely thats no different to just doubling the capacity of the current server...
I personaly would quit. Its the whole being on one server that appeals to me.
Look at it this way, we spend our time defending our territory, then all of a sudden a new server starts and another alliance moves in on the other server. It all starts becoming pointless after that
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Bill Shankly
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Posted - 2006.11.20 01:07:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Verone
Topic reads : Would you like to turn Eve into WoW in space?
Response : no.
Think you need glasses dude, thats not what it says at all.
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Kazuma Saruwatari
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Posted - 2006.11.20 01:15:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Mak'ita
Eve has been growing by leeps and bonds, the future introduction of Avatars and all the new ideas from CCP (keep up the good work) is not gonna help the population of Tranquility, they are heading in my opinion to an overcrowded server , then again maybe not !! But if they ever needed to add a new server would you go too it? I know i would not mind transfering my toon to a new world :)
No.
No.
No.
The thing that keeps EVE, EVE, is the single world. Remove that, you've just signed off 80% of it's playerbase right there.
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Edgard Clochard
4X Incorporated
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Posted - 2006.11.20 01:45:00 -
[41]
Edited by: Edgard Clochard on 20/11/2006 01:46:20
Two years ago when I started playing EVE, it was my first MMOG. Today, it's still the only one I have played. Part of what brought me to EVE was the single contiguous player community. Because of this, EVE has its own history, made by the players, that can be shared by the entire playerbase, not just a certain subset. When something really interesting happens, odds are you'll hear of it, and you might even know some of the people involved. Player reputation matters, as well as the actions of individuals and groups in the past, and it all has an impact on the player community as a whole heading into the future. This one fact has brought me back again and again, and above all other things, is the core of what makes EVE interesting and unique enough for me to continue to be a part of it. Without this, even with the many other qualities that make EVE great, I don't think it would be even close to as spectacular of a gem as I find it now.
In short, just "NO.".
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d026
Herrscher der Zeit
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Posted - 2006.11.20 01:50:00 -
[42]
Think i would start over on the new shard and get me 5-6 R&D accounts:)
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DeadDuck
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.20 01:56:00 -
[43]
Edited by: DeadDuck on 20/11/2006 01:57:00
In response to the topic starter, no.
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Synapse Archae
Amarr
Solarflare Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.20 02:07:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Heinz Ernest
No, I would consider quiting.
The strength of eve is the action taking place in one world.
QFT. I would also consider leaving. More people is the center of what makes eve great. To cap that, is to cap the depth of play.
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James Duar
Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2006.11.20 02:44:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Synapse Archae
Originally by: Heinz Ernest
No, I would consider quiting.
The strength of eve is the action taking place in one world.
QFT. I would also consider leaving. More people is the center of what makes eve great. To cap that, is to cap the depth of play.
Ditto and I already did it once. It was the persistent world, single sharded nature which brought me back - amongst other things.
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Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.20 03:53:00 -
[46]
Edited by: Ben Derindar on 20/11/2006 03:53:18
It depends on the conditions the OP would impose on the new server, if any.
No actually, I tell a lie. It would disappoint me yes, but nothing worth quitting over.
Tbh it wouldn't surprise me if this came about in the future anyway, as a final resort to dealing with the chronic lag that continues to permeate the game.
EDIT: grammar
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Too Kind
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Posted - 2006.11.20 06:09:00 -
[47]
Edited by: Too Kind on 20/11/2006 06:15:08
Originally by: DHU InMe
Originally by: Mak'ita
Edited by: Mak''ita on 18/11/2006 19:18:40
It's just a question i asked myself, and was curious about. And is there a limit of how many can be on 1 server.
The limit is not really how many people we can place on one server, but more: how many people we can place on one area ?
An area is around (300km)¦
a stargate, a planet, a station, all the surounding are an "area". Each people have one "area". So 2people at 301km don't see each other, but one guy between them at like 150km could see both of them !
Legend:
X,Y,Z=player
-=distance (76km)
X--Y--Z
X can see Y
Z can see Y
X cannot see Z and vice versa
Y can see X and Z
But this is not how eve works. Eve has grids. You can only see the stuff in your grid, the distance doesn't matter as long as you're in the same grid. If another ship is only 100m next to you, but in a different grid, you don't see it anymore.
(Before anyone asks: Abusing this thing in pvp is most likely something that starts with 'ex' and ends with 'ploit' ^^)
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Draqun
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Posted - 2006.11.20 07:07:00 -
[48]
No
Granted I can see them going in and manualy "Tweeking" things (bumping up the security levels in some systems(2 or 3 that I can think of off hand) to eliminate the weird gaps (like one run I ran into a while back that is .7->.4->.6 sec, some of the level 1 missions have you going through that gap) or makeing more efforts to eliminate choke points (add bypass gates!)
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elbenito
Battlestars
Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.20 07:24:00 -
[49]
There IS another server. It's just that most of us don't speak Chinese.
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Red Six
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.20 07:39:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Bill Shankly
Originally by: Verone
Topic reads : Would you like to turn Eve into WoW in space?
Response : no.
Think you need glasses dude, thats not what it says at all.
That may not be the exact wording but that was the intent. In WoW actions have no consequence on the game world. In Eve everything you do has consequence because it is the same world.
Originally by: Eridu Fallen
Upon closer inspection, that Caldari BS doesn't even look like it got hit with the ugly stick, it looks like it *is* the ugly stick.
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Tharim
Minmatar
Code-Blue
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Posted - 2006.11.20 08:40:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Locarna Lustram
If there was basically another cluster *and we could transfer between clusters* - say one or a few big wormhole gates in each cluster, then yeah that could be fun, that could be cool, even if you had to log off then log back in on a different server (this could be masked so as not to spoil suspension of disbelief).
The trading and warfare possibilities would be interesting.
Like, you know..A stargate or something? 
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Ladyah Liandri
Soapbox Pilots
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Posted - 2006.11.20 11:36:00 -
[52]
I'd move the very second the new server would be up and running. I like the idea of starting a fresh life in a brand new world. Conquering unexplored regions just like all the other newcomers should be fun.
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Reggie Stoneloader
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.20 12:07:00 -
[53]
If someone got a big pile of money and made a new server with a new game on it that was like a suped-up version of EvE, I'd quit EvE and go play that, but otherwise no.
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Bad Brian
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Posted - 2006.11.20 12:13:00 -
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I'd go in a New York heartbeat and hope all those that said they would quit, quit. I would go faster than a New York heartbeat if it were PvE only. Screw you pirates players, gate campers, and mission hunter pirates and silly alliances and unsecured space. I've been playing a year with 2 accounts and my feelings are just as valid as yours. I work hard for my stuff and don't like you space clowns taking my stuff. And no I'm not gonna play another game. I just will continue this lame brained game with all you maggots. And as for the Blackgaurd Brigade I really wish I could meet you one on one in real life for killin my Raven and Badger II, with my capital ship skill book. I can't do anything about it except fume and hate the way you play. 0.0 and unsecured space needs a new mindset. I may never have what you guys have due to Eve pampering you all but at least I have some honor. But dem da breaks. Take my money Eve and the hell with the rest of you.
I may seem short but, I'm tall for a pigmy. :)
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elohllird
Gallente
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2006.11.20 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Brian
I'd go in a New York heartbeat and hope all those that said they would quit, quit. I would go faster than a New York heartbeat if it were PvE only. Screw you pirates players, gate campers, and mission hunter pirates and silly alliances and unsecured space. I've been playing a year with 2 accounts and my feelings are just as valid as yours. I work hard for my stuff and don't like you space clowns taking my stuff. And no I'm not gonna play another game. I just will continue this lame brained game with all you maggots. And as for the Blackgaurd Brigade I really wish I could meet you one on one in real life for killin my Raven and Badger II, with my capital ship skill book. I can't do anything about it except fume and hate the way you play. 0.0 and unsecured space needs a new mindset. I may never have what you guys have due to Eve pampering you all but at least I have some honor. But dem da breaks. Take my money Eve and the hell with the rest of you.
I may seem short but, I'm tall for a pigmy. :)
Im not bitter
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.20 12:25:00 -
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Not even if the Veldspar was twice the size compared to TQ. I however would give quitting a thought.
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Eilene Fernite
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Posted - 2006.11.20 12:29:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Bad Brian
...PvE only...
...my capital ship skill book...
If you don't like PvP, what are you doing with a capital ship skill book?
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Quineverre
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Posted - 2006.11.20 12:33:00 -
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I would quit.
Aside from being a great game the big thing about Eve is it all being in one environment. Sure that causes lag at times and other difficulties. But its the charm of this project.
Ofcourse I would love for them to come up with a solution to the things that arent working as they should right now. But rather do I deal with the lag and other issues as find myself in a server based game that isnt true to its original ideals.
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Cosmar
Gallente
Unified Refining Federation
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Posted - 2006.11.20 12:48:00 -
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We already have a shard (for political reasons whatever), it's existance has had 0 effect on TQ and a new one would not hurt the game as long as no transfer would be allowed between the two.
I'm all in favor of a new shard if members online on TQ go above a certain number (say 50k mark). Or in another 2 or so years when starting on TQ will just not be worth it for most skill-wise.
But i think it's way too much work to maintain a new EvE shard without a massive new potential market (like China) to make it worth it.
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d026
Herrscher der Zeit
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Posted - 2006.11.20 12:50:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Eilene Fernite
Originally by: Bad Brian
...PvE only...
...my capital ship skill book...
If you don't like PvP, what are you doing with a capital ship skill book?
capital pve?:)
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