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Jayd Ro	Posted - 2006.11.19 00:55:00 - [1] Hello, my corp do empire wars against carebear and noob corps to have fun and ransom them for stopping the war. Can we get Banned because griefing ? found this http://kb.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=267
Scoundrelus Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.11.19 01:03:00 - [2] No it is not bannable. Enjoy =============================================== And Scoundrelus walked the Forums once again, and all was turned to flame...
Beringe Caldari Raptus Regaliter	Posted - 2006.11.19 01:11:00 - [3] It is not against the rules, but it is lame. ------------------------------------------- "Sarcasm and irony are not to be used by the uninitiated." --Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles--
Jayd Ro	Posted - 2006.11.19 01:15:00 - [4] Thanks
Scoundrelus Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.11.19 01:18:00 - [5] Originally by: Beringe It is not against the rules, but it is lame. Lame but fun, and the 15$ a month goes to having fun. =============================================== And Scoundrelus walked the Forums once again, and all was turned to flame...
DubanFP Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.19 02:08:00 - [6] Edited by: DubanFP on 19/11/2006 02:09:53 Edited by: DubanFP on 19/11/2006 02:09:30 Originally by: Beringe It is not against the rules, but it is lame. agreed, get a challange. If you can't take an experienced corp/alliance, maybe that experienced corp/alliance should take you see how it feels then. Simply put, just kinda sad at best. Not much difference between this and popping those 1 day old newbs that don't know better then to open cargo container. __________________________ Why babelfish is bad mmm k "which the night do not expect that it calls the primary education before becoming deformed inside"
Plaetean Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.19 02:14:00 - [7] Generally known as extortions; kinda common, frequently frowned upon, but an important part of the game nonetheless. Not bannable. My views are my own etc etc
Tiberious Marz	Posted - 2006.11.19 02:21:00 - [8] Not only is it fun it is educational. EVE IS PVP, and no better time to learn it then your first few days. So they should be thankfull.
Plaetean Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.19 02:26:00 - [9] Originally by: Tiberious Marz Not only is it fun it is educational. EVE IS PVP, and no better time to learn it then your first few days. So they should be thankfull. QFT. One of my initial noob/carebear corps got war decced. At first I was really ****ed, but it opened up a side of the game I hadn't yet experienced, and in the end thoroughly enjoyed. My views are my own etc etc
Grape Juice Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.19 03:09:00 - [10] I disagree. When you're in a newb corp and everyone around you is a newb, you don't learn anything by getting war decced by people who've been playing for a long time. Unless of course, those people decide to feel pity on you and tell you what you did wrong... All you do is lose ships. Now, joining a corp who knows what they're doing PvP-wise will teach you a helluva lot more than trying to figure everything out with a bunch of other people who are equally as clueless. Sure, it might be more satisfying to 'learn the hard way'... if you're masochistic. Anyway, back to the original topic... Is it griefing? Yeah, I think so. Would I pop an Ibis mining in 0.4? You bet your sweet ass I would... I like pretty explosions, and newbs add a whole other flavor to them. (I know I sound like I'm contradicting myself, but I'm not really.)
Risien Drogonne	Posted - 2006.11.19 05:34:00 - [11] Originally by: G***Juice I disagree. When you're in a newb corp and everyone around you is a newb, you don't learn anything by getting war decced by people who've been playing for a long time. Unless of course, those people decide to feel pity on you and tell you what you did wrong... All you do is lose ships. I dunno about you but I learn from my mistakes without having to be told what my mistakes were and hand-held through the process of fixing them. My corp got wardecced when we were new and we learned a crazy amount from it.
velocoraptor Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.19 06:10:00 - [12] "lame" "griefing" etc don't rly mean anything tbh. Can tricks are lame? What about gate snipping noobs in low sec, in T2 mega with stabs? A 2-3 yrs old pirate ganking a noob hauler or cruiser in a 0.4 belt? What about gate 0.0 gate camps with bubbles. I have died 1-2 times to those and latelly I have killed many many ppl while being the camper: 5-50 ppl, mostly old experienced players, snipers, dictors, inties gank a lone (maybe not noob) guy at a gate.... easy as hell usually. Is that lame? Even a cruiser killing a BS when the cruiser pilot is 2003 with eleventy billion SP and knows what he's doing while the BS is a noob mission-*****, a bit over-confident, could be considered lame... It's a game and only CCP can say what is allowed and what's not. Rest is bull and any player knows deep inside him how 'good', 'honorable' or 'lame' he, or better, his play style, is
slothe Caldari Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.11.19 09:24:00 - [13] Originally by: Beringe It is not against the rules, but it is lame. agree. fight someone that can fight back tbh.
Grape Juice Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.19 10:41:00 - [14] Edited by: G***Juice on 19/11/2006 10:44:23 .
Mathias Orsen Gold-dust	Posted - 2006.11.19 10:58:00 - [15] what if it is 300 noobs vs one well experienced vet? you really can't consider anything "lame" when one person puts themselves in 300 to 1 odds. Noobs or not. That is actually a fairly common thing for people to do also. Really don't see it being unusuall for a 2-4 man corp to war a whole alliance, or three. Sure the fee would run you 150m per week.. but against 3 alliances, You never run outta people to kill and loot to collect. -------------------------------------- ---"What's in your wallet?"--- "There are two kinds of respect, fear and admiration.... I'll take what I can get"
Plaetean Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.19 11:36:00 - [16] Edited by: Plaetean on 19/11/2006 11:37:26 Originally by: G***Juice I disagree. When you're in a newb corp and everyone around you is a newb, you don't learn anything by getting war decced by people who've been playing for a long time... Now, joining a corp who knows what they're doing PvP-wise will teach you a helluva lot more than trying to figure everything out with a bunch of other people who are equally as clueless. Well you learn not to join a corp full of newbs for starters. My views are my own etc etc
Efface Vein SUBLIME L.L.C	Posted - 2006.11.19 18:53:00 - [17] Originally by: velocoraptor and any player knows deep inside him how 'good', 'honorable' or 'lame' he, or better, his play style, is Well said...
ASIV TRE Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.19 23:20:00 - [18] I wasn't aware Npc corps could declare war on people
Saint Schala OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2006.11.20 02:28:00 - [19] i think its an alt cos the main is a wee bit scared of people finding out who he is anyhoos empire wars rock yarrrr ----------------------------------------------- 23453457 dont ya just hate not knowing the meaning behind a cryptic sig???? 34564556890
Ferocious FeAr Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.20 05:55:00 - [20] Noob corps being war dec'd... I can see it now, the ibis zerg rush of doom. __________________________________ Don't hate me, learn to love me.
westernstab	Posted - 2006.11.20 06:22:00 - [21] IT IS LAME. but anyone with half a brain should be able to avoid it. transfer corp to a alt CEO and have everyone hide in the rookie corps for awhile. bored pirates move on and will likely release the war dec thinking they caused the corp to disband with ina week or so of it only have 1 person.
Joop The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2006.11.20 10:46:00 - [22] Originally by: Beringe It is not against the rules, but it is lame. Who cares .. Its fun Originally by: tiller my game style is to destroy everything I can with total disrespect for peoples property and own game style.
kill0rbunny Caldari Chimera Intelligence Agency	Posted - 2006.11.20 11:00:00 - [23] War decs on noob corps are indeed a bit lame. But not half as lame as posting this on the forum asking if they could get banned and using an alt for it. Are you afraid of being wardecced yourself? Put a skirt on. _____________________________ Hugh.
DarkElf Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.11.20 11:16:00 - [24] Posting with alts because ur afraid of ppl knowing what you do in game is so lame And dec'ing noobs is pathetic if you have like a 100man corp or something but as said before if u are just a handful then it can be great fun to take on odds of 10v3 etc and still triumph due to experience and skill. Also can be a good way of making isk and if ppl say it's griefing then so be it. ig u enjoy it then what does it matter? DE
The Protagonist	Posted - 2006.11.20 11:26:00 - [25] Been on the recieving end of war dec's in my previous corp. Sadly its become the norm with the sole purpose to inflate ego's and smak talk to the little guys. It is educational provided you have access to a veteran player or two to give advice or even make a corp alt to help. - just fitting your ships properly helps. had some of the best fun in eve attacking 3 year old chars in 200mil ships which were expecting an easy gank with a swarm of frigs with strong EW. Not only fun but educational too. as a bonus the pirate corp attacking us didn't smak despite our ceo doing his best to smak talk the entire of eve at the time. It did slow our abilities to get into bigger ships which may have been a good thing; but at the time was a bit frustraiting.
Sidious Dei Gallente Solid Ind.	Posted - 2006.11.20 11:40:00 - [26] Edited by: Sidious Dei on 20/11/2006 12:00:42 Yes, its lame. Indeed, get a challenge. Sure EVE is pvp, but this isnt pvp - its simple PK-ing when you kill those who can¦t even fight back due to inexperience and such. I agree that the monthly fee is spent on fun, but if you rate this as fun... You might as well buy 15 shuttles, eject from all of them, let em float in mid-air and grab your Raven and shoot em down. yay. -Scientia Est Potentia
Sidious Dei Gallente Solid Ind.	Posted - 2006.11.20 11:57:00 - [27] Edited by: Sidious Dei on 20/11/2006 11:59:50 **ed double posting -Scientia Est Potentia**
Joop The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2006.11.20 12:05:00 - [28] Originally by: Sidious Dei Edited by: Sidious Dei on 20/11/2006 12:00:42 Yes, its lame. Indeed, get a challenge. Sure EVE is pvp, but this isnt pvp - its simple PK-ing when you kill those who can¦t even fight back due to inexperience and such. I agree that the monthly fee is spent on fun, but if you rate this as fun... You might as well buy 15 shuttles, eject from all of them, let em float in mid-air and grab your Raven and shoot em down. yay. It is PvP .. and yes its fun for me. Originally by: tiller my game style is to destroy everything I can with total disrespect for peoples property and own game style.
Joop The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2006.11.20 12:21:00 - [29] Originally by: Sidious Dei Edited by: Sidious Dei on 20/11/2006 12:00:42 You might as well buy 15 shuttles, eject from all of them, let em float in mid-air and grab your Raven and shoot em down. yay. Hmm yeah .. i could try that I cant fly a Raven though .. would an Apoc be oke Originally by: tiller my game style is to destroy everything I can with total disrespect for peoples property and own game style.
Agent Li Galactic Defence Consortium	Posted - 2006.11.20 16:34:00 - [30] Originally by: velocoraptor "lame" "griefing" etc don't rly mean anything tbh. Can tricks are lame? Yes Originally by: velocoraptor What about gate snipping noobs in low sec, in T2 mega with stabs? Yes Originally by: velocoraptor A 2-3 yrs old pirate ganking a noob hauler or cruiser in a 0.4 belt? Yes Originally by: velocoraptor What about gate 0.0 gate camps with bubbles. I have died 1-2 times to those and latelly I have killed many many ppl while being the camper: 5-50 ppl, mostly old experienced players, snipers, dictors, inties gank a lone (maybe not noob) guy at a gate.... easy as hell usually. Is that lame? Yes Originally by: velocoraptor Even a cruiser killing a BS when the cruiser pilot is 2003 with eleventy billion SP and knows what he's doing while the BS is a noob mission-*****, a bit over-confident, could be considered lame...[/QUOTE] Yes. All that said, maybe "eve" is icelandic for "lame".
Sidious Dei Gallente Solid Ind.	Posted - 2006.11.20 16:40:00 - [31] Edited by: Sidious Dei on 20/11/2006 16:48:51 Originally by: Joop It is PvP .. and yes its fun for me. believing this is pvp is a misconception. What this is, is no more than mass-ganking players who dont even know their way around EVE yet. And considering this to be "fun" is sad. It also reflect a part of your personality towards other players. Think about that. Id rather take pride in tackling big ships in frigs in a intense battle than a easy-to-kill bantam pilot. But hey, its your chosen path. -Scientia Est Potentia
DarkElf Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.11.20 20:03:00 - [32] Originally by: Sidious Dei Edited by: Sidious Dei on 20/11/2006 16:52:25 Edited by: Sidious Dei on 20/11/2006 16:48:51 Originally by: Joop It is PvP .. and yes its fun for me. Believing this is pvp is a misconception. What this is, is no more than mass PKing players who dont even know their way around EVE yet. And considering this to be "fun" is sad. It also reflects a part of your personality towards other players. Think about that. Id rather take pride in tackling big ships in frigs in a intense battle than a easy-to-kill bantam pilot. What you do equals killing beatles with a 10 kg sledgehammer. But hey, its your chosen path. pvp = player versus player so unless they're afk then it's pvp. ppl's fun is different so nobody can tell someone what they should or shouldn't do. Also for ppl saying it's not challenging u should try taking on 12 noobs in bs, bc's and cruisers alone in a bs. it's certainly a challenge and great fun. DE
Sidious Dei Gallente Solid Ind.	Posted - 2006.11.20 21:46:00 - [33] Edited by: Sidious Dei on 20/11/2006 22:14:11 Originally by: DarkElf pvp = player versus player so unless they're afk then it's pvp. ppl's fun is different so nobody can tell someone what they should or shouldn't do. I am not telling people what to do. Im stating my opinion here, and it doesnt bother me if others dont like it. As for this debate: several threads have been made like this and the discussion is never settled, never will be. I dont intend to be definitive here either. To me, you can only speak of pvp when both players mutually agree to engage combat. Otherwise its simple ganking. To me thats lame when it concerns older players versus cubs. I completely agree that this should stay ingame however since its part of eve mechanics, all I simply dislike is targetting those that are obviously too weak and experienced to be called worthy opponents. Just my 2 cents. -Scientia Est Potentia
Panshin Bolo Amarr	Posted - 2006.11.20 22:43:00 - [34] This thread is bookmarked for when I wanna have fun with griefer-corps. They're the most fun to be had in empire-wars. <3. 1. they can't kill any descent targets. 2. they want a fight. (some hide like chucklars stab-family) result: some **** fine kills on my end. Without being called names. Grief on !
Joop The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2006.11.21 08:45:00 - [35] Edited by: Joop on 21/11/2006 08:45:12 Originally by: Panshin Bolo This thread is bookmarked for when I wanna have fun with griefer-corps. They're the most fun to be had in empire-wars. <3. 1. they can't kill any descent targets. 2. they want a fight. (some hide like chucklars stab-family) result: some ** fine kills on my end. Without being called names. Grief on ! Originally by:** tiller my game style is to destroy everything I can with total disrespect for peoples property and own game style.
Joop The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2006.11.21 08:50:00 - [36] Originally by: Sidious Dei Edited by: Sidious Dei on 20/11/2006 22:14:11 Originally by: DarkElf pvp = player versus player so unless they're afk then it's pvp. ppl's fun is different so nobody can tell someone what they should or shouldn't do. I am not telling people what to do. Im stating my opinion here, and it doesnt bother me if others dont like it. As for this debate: several threads have been made like this and the discussion is never settled, never will be. I dont intend to be definitive here either. To me, you can only speak of pvp when both players mutually agree to engage combat. Otherwise its simple ganking. To me thats lame when it concerns older players versus cubs. I completely agree that this should stay ingame however since its part of eve mechanics, all I simply dislike is targetting those that are obviously too weak and experienced to be called worthy opponents. Just my 2 cents. Good that it dont bother you Your reply here says otherwise. But as i stated above .. For me its fun and whatever other people think about it .. i do not really care tbh. And dont come with the argument that my personality is bad or something because you dont know me at all. Nuff said nuff said Originally by: tiller my game style is to destroy everything I can with total disrespect for peoples property and own game style.
Sidious Dei Gallente Solid Ind.	Posted - 2006.11.21 11:45:00 - [37] Originally by: Joop Good that it dont bother you Your reply here says otherwise. I see reading isnt your strongest point. I said it doesn't bother me if my opinion is disliked. I said what bothers me is people who actually consider killing new players to be fun and entertaining. And my reply was quite clear on that. Originally by: Joop But as i stated above .. For me its fun and whatever other people think about it .. i do not really care tbh. That's your good right. Originally by: Joop And dont come with the argument that my personality is bad or something because you dont know me at all. Nuff said nuff said Once again, reading isnt your strongest point. I never said your personality is bad, I said that you need to think how you can affect the enjoyment factor for new, paying players. Id rather let the new players develop well and THEN shoot em to bits once they got the mechanics down and when they have a decent chance to properly defend themselves, instead of podding defenseless victims who hardly know that F1 actives one of their modules. The pay-off is greater when you actually have to put up a fight. I do agree however, that battling in a 3 vs 10 setting you can speak of a good battle (as long as it isnt 3 battleships vs 10 Ibis¦). And as far as knowing you goes: I don't need to know you to see how you respond and behave to the smaller players. Your replies serve me well enough to give me a glimpse of your personality. -Scientia Est Potentia
Abrivard	Posted - 2006.11.21 22:25:00 - [38] Edited by: Abrivard on 21/11/2006 22:25:44 It is great fun until a noob gets smart enough and instead of paying your ransom they hire a mercenary corp to wtfpwn your sorry axes.
Jayd Ro	Posted - 2006.12.01 23:45:00 - [39] Hello its me again We declared a war against an Allyance today, till now 3 corps have left the allyance I heared that its petitionable when they join the ally after the war again ? Does anyone know something more ? And maybe have a Quote for me or something ? Would be great.
FalconHawk Amarr Falcon Advanced Industries	Posted - 2006.12.02 09:54:00 - [40] ... wondering why you are so scared to post with your main ...
Rikkard Strofeldt Gallente Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.12.02 11:50:00 - [41] Well, when my first corp got war decced, all us wet-behind-the-ears newbs went "crap, better start training to fight!". Do the newbs a favour. Wardec them all :) -- Descending into madness.
50freefly Caldari Purify	Posted - 2006.12.03 13:31:00 - [42] Killing new players, haha, fun. Haha. Originally by: Eight Ace For reasons that have been lost in the mists of time all caldari ships are designed by two people. One does the left hand side and the other does the right. And they never meet.
Sean Dillon Caldari Privateers	Posted - 2006.12.03 15:02:00 - [43] You dont get booted for war deccing. We wardec carebears all the time.
Jirai Grepher Gallente Discordant Provisions	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:17:00 - [44] I dunno...i found the best experiance i had learning PvP was going out in frigs and being a tackler for more experianced pvpers. Back in the day on my first char..i had a solo podkill before even reaching 500k SP. god i miss those days of the CA - SA war.
Sokratesz Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.12.04 08:56:00 - [45] if i wasnt in an alliance id dec you right now for being a general lamer and extortioner :) Basilisk Fitting Link
Kagura Nikon	Posted - 2006.12.04 09:29:00 - [46] As i understood he was not talking about popin ibisis. You know there are plenety of ravens in noob corps and mission carebear corps in high sec. Perfect targets taht are very well able to defend themselves.
Dr Methanta	Posted - 2006.12.04 17:51:00 - [47] Originally by: Tiberious Marz Not only is it fun it is educational. EVE IS PVP, and no better time to learn it then your first few days. So they should be thankfull. Yeah right.... just like picking on the little kids at school makes you a tough guy. And given the nature of some of those 'WarDecc' corps it should be an exploit - i've yet to be involved in any war that involves players who have spent less than 2.5 years in eve. I've been itching for a proper war but its largely an excuse for pirates. At least two of those groups have used exploits of corp joing/leaving to avoid having to fight the experienced members, and rejoined only when they have located our newbie players. Funny how in the 5 wars i've been in the casualites have been the newest players. If you wanna war come out and fight. Don't ***** around getting cheap and easy kill mails.
Electric Cucumber Amarr coracao ardente	Posted - 2006.12.04 17:55:00 - [48] two rules 1/do what you think is fun 2/ignore what people think of what you do
Xoria Krint The Movement	Posted - 2006.12.04 23:22:00 - [49] It's not lame. I would never do it since i enjoy the adrenaline of the real fights. But if you enjoy it and learn from it, Then hell, Do it.. --- My Movies
Kent Nord	Posted - 2006.12.05 01:10:00 - [50] Unfortunately, no.

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