The problem is if they still want to try in a frig and the rats has at least a chance of targetting him, he will get removed off the field and be unhappy because the odds randomly stacked against him. Frigate and T3D would not be any more viable since you could still get erased from grid anyway if you have a chance of triggering an aggro swap even if not a complete swap from a point.

Either the rats always keep shooting the PvEer or they don't which mean either the PvPer can ignore the rats as long as I don't get a trigger down or he can be effortlessly erased from the grid because his frig can't tank the site. There is no half choice since he want to do it with paper ships hence why I tell them that one way or another, the tool being used is what prevent them from doing it, not the rats unless you make the rat 100% irrelevant which CCP didn't want to begin with. Changing the trigger won't matter to hunter in frigs and dessies unless the trigger are made to never get touched by them and at that point, they might as well not exist.

I'd list more Mark Hadden shitposts and derailing, but I ran out of quote space. It's easy to find though, just read any post you've made in this thread past page 1.

They made point trigger a hard switch to prevent all of those abuse in PvE I guess...

no its not shitposting, just saying how pointless a pvp discussion is with a mission runner - its like you wanted to argue about fking with a virgin, you wouldn't really, would you?




they made ALL ewar to hard switch. All I can tell you is that you cant conclude intention solely from its presence.


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5860167#post5860167
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5860410#post5860410

for the same idiotic "it must be right because its there"-narrative

I agree with Mike and others about right tool for the job and if your ship is so thin that the rats in whatever site you choose can volley you off the field perhaps you should look for targets in easier sites.

Hidden behind the whine the message is that points (a 100% necessary mod for PvP) causing aggro switches makes certain ships completely unsuited to hunt ratters. Removing aggro generation from points would give solo roamers more of a chance but not cr*p all over PvEers by going back to the old way.

no, I presented arguments and reasons why I think its wrong and why I want a change.
1) it adds huge chunk of unneccessary safety to farmers
2) it removes pvp content my making it lots harder
3) rats defending the farmer doesnt make sense

You presented arguments and reasons for these where, exactly?

All you've provided is that you think it should be different, which is zero justification for it being changed back to the way it used to be.

doesnt surprise me that a guy with 0 KB record agrees Mike and "others".


that would be a start



no, I presented arguments and reasons why I think its wrong and why I want a change.

1) it adds huge chunk of unneccessary safety to farmers for no real reason

2) it removes (solo) pvp content which very many of us enjoyed, my making it such harder and
pushing it onto the brink of time waste (if not even far beyond that)

3) rats defending the farmer doesnt make sense

Hidden behind the whine the message is that points (a 100% necessary mod for PvP) causing aggro switches makes certain ships completely unsuited to hunt ratters. Removing aggro generation from points would give solo roamers more of a chance but not cr*p all over PvEers by going back to the old way.

If you weren't so busy cherry-picking pieces of people's posts you might have noticed I have been supporting in this thread changes to make ratter hunting easier for you and others like you. This is obviously an alt of mine as I don't believe my name should affect how people see my posts however for the record I've lived in every type of space there is in eve and have done content from ratting to incursions to low-sec camps to null-sec fleets and hunting in WHs.

I do think that the PvP consequences may have been unintended but the old mechanics would now be 12 years old and as other people have said it was hilariously broken even PvE-wise

PvE-ers would be happiest with the mechanics as they are now, several people in this thread would be happy with the old system. Would removing aggro from points be a compromise you'd be able to accept?

Complaining that you canGÇÖt warp in and an tackle a ratter in a T1 frig and let the rats do the bulk of your work for you is rather whiney, IMO. I could see changing the AI so the rats put smaller ships at a higher priority in their targeting AI.

How can you call it "unforeseen consequence" when there are obviously lines of code there to generate exactly this behavior?

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