The small ones that can be done in small ships should not also be giving you significant issues.

Bigger ones that make substantial isk require more skill, bigger ships, and are presumably what you guys are complaining about.

The small ones that can be done in small ships should not also be giving you significant issues.

Bigger ones that make substantial isk require more skill, bigger ships, and are presumably what you guys are complaining about.

you still failed to provide any argument why making PvE safer would make sense from CCPs perspective,
apart of "because they put it there", which is obviously a fallacy as I explained above.

a little pvp requires multiple amount of skill from what farming a repetitive plex or anomaly can ever get.
Moreover, you dont need a lot of ISK to get into pve, not at all. You can start farming small anomalies, even bigger ones can be done with ishtar or VNI, which is really an entry level drone boat.

OK just taking a wild shot in the dark since I have no inside information about why CCP does the things they do but one rather important possibility that comes to mind is CASH. Please tell me that you know about CASH, the stuff a company needs to pay rent/mortgage, payroll, payroll taxes(if they have any in Iceland), equipment replacement and repair, electricity and the list goes on but I hope you get the point. And so there remains the possibility that CCP changed the rat AI simply to protect one of it's major sources of Cash. Remember I said I have no inside information, since there is no way for any of us to speak for CCP in this matter all we can do is speculate about something that MIGHT have been.

You look at the AI change and call foul and that it is stupid beyond belief and that it must be an unintended consequence because it makes no sense to you. However there is NO evidence that you can link to to prove your side of the debate because there is none, it is all personal opinion.

On the other side we have no hard evidence that we can link to prove that the outcomes of this change were intended. As in a court of law we do have circumstantial evidence on our side though.
The rat AI change was brought forth to the test servers and the complaints began immediately from the gankers.
CCP made so adjustments and put it back up on the test servers and the complaints continued.
And so this cycle went for awhile and then choosing to completely ignore the complaints and the whining from the gankers CCP makes this AI a thing on Tranquility.
Now fast forward more than a year and agin the complaints from some ganlers arises and puts us where we are at this moment.

Do I have evidence that proves beyond doubt that CCP intended the rat AI to work out the way it has - No I do not.
But I do have the a fore mentioned circumstantial evidence and that is a far stronger indicator of what was intended than your personal opinions.

Because you are dying to that 1 target, togetther you have a chance. And sorry but that answer alone disqualifies you in my mind from beeing taken seriously in any pvp related topic.

On the other side we have no hard evidence that we can link to prove that the outcomes of this change were intended.

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What has that to do with anything? Its not impossible or even hard to kill pvers, but it forces you to blob or severely outclass them (which vs pvers means brinning the same class) which is an issue.

How much is it outclassing and Ishtar or a VNI to use a Stratios?

What has that to do with anything? Its not impossible or even hard to kill pvers, but it forces you to blob or severely outclass them (which vs pvers means brinning the same class) which is an issue.

WUT?

You are Outclassing a PvEr by bringing the same class? That's what we over in logic land call 'matching', not outclassing.

You realize you look worse and worse with every passing post? The bottom line here is that you are kicking up dust on a non-issue, because you want to be able to do everything with anything, no matter how little sense that makes and despite the fact that when you play a game with other live people you need balance or those other people won't play with you.

It just shows that you know nothing of pvp, a even fight is a 50/50 fight, a 100/0 fight isnt even. If you bring a ship that wins almost 100% of the time you outclass him, pvers suck a pvp and a normal stratios can easily wreck a pve ishtar or vni. Its orbit at 500 and go afk easy.

Heavy drones from an AFKtar would deal with a 500m orbitting stratios unless you tanked against his damage type which somehow also happen to be the one you need to tank to survive the rat in this site too. I wonder if those 2 fact are linked...

Fact is, someone just showed it was possible for a solo PvPer to hunt and kill ratters in sites which mean the rat aggro swap is not what has killed this gameplay. It reduced it by prevented paper fit from doing it but it's not impossible at all. I'm sure you can adapt if you get your fun out of hunting ratters. The options are there.

And a startios easily tanks that, but nobodie ever doubted that pver/ratter can be killed. Thats not the issue, if i see a 2 month old caracal do a warpable anomaly i could take my curse and get a free kill with 0 issue, but i dont want that, thats boring is ****. What i want to to bring a t1 frigate and have a even fight, but due to how rats work i cant.

And a startios easily tanks that, but nobodie ever doubted that pver/ratter can be killed. Thats not the issue, if i see a 2 month old caracal do a warpable anomaly i could take my curse and get a free kill with 0 issue, but i dont want that, thats boring is ****. What i want to to bring a t1 frigate and have a even fight, but due to how rats work i cant.

The stupid in that statement really burns.

It also verifies that you want your "PvP" to be practically free compared to your victim. By your own statement the current state in equivalent ships should suit you just fine.

you have no clue about pvp, you gotta nothign to tell about what burns and what not.

you can kill a battleship with a frigate or destroyer under normal circumstances if caught, nbd - in a mission or anomaly you cant because of fking NPC which are quasi protecting it.. thats not right.

Then why cry so hard?

If you can kill in a frigate, it should be all the easier in something heavier. If you can't catch a ratter, catch his defense. Or whatever.

Every argument you have made thus far just went up in smoke

You can't have it both ways, with rats not mattering and that they be utterly destroying your game at the same time.

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thats why we are asking for a change, to stop rats defending the farmers.

thats why we are asking for a change, to stop rats defending the farmers.

You have no justification. You can kill anything in a frigate already. You just said so.