Shoot PVE-ers all you want but doing it inside a site you arent tanked to handle seems like a sub optimal place to do it is all i am saying

Also, i know why they changed it (it was due to people using a tanky ship first and using a max gank ship with 0 tank second) but its a bad change.

When third parties jump in on my fights, i blap them too.

And which would you shoot first?
The ship that can perma-tank you, or the squishy idiot in a blinged ship who cant keep up transversal?




They changed it for a number of reasons, because it was bad for a number of reasons. It was a whole AI overhaul, not just centred around one of the many ways to exploit the simple AI.

- It was too easily manipulated. You could enter a site with a drone boat, get aggro, then go afk whilst your drones ran missions and anoms for you.
- Where engagements were already in favour of the PvP aggressor, it forced the PvE player to tank both the NPC aggro and the PvP player.

Now you have to take all ships (NPC and Player) into account when you start a fight, as you should.

TL:DR
its better now. Stop rant. Learn to play.

blah blah blah, bad idea supported by facetious arguments blah blah blah

Or you could go find someone to fight that isn't in a ship you can effortlessly blap with or without the NPC's presentation.

You don't get to be immune to the environment, sorry. You want to hunt people in dangerous places, fit accordingly.

Bit late to be complaining about this to be honest, ccp pulled this crap over 2 years ago during their "turn eve into carebear heaven" phase. We all pointed out how it would kill roaming, solo hunting and even small scale hot drops, but that was thier intention so they didn't care.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend and so on.

Any serious pvper can tell you that it was a bad change.

Except it didn't make things even, it made things completely in the pve players favour. The Pve Player only needs to tank the rats or the player. The pvp player needs to tank the rats and the player. The pve player also only needs the rats ewar to hit once to get away, and will have any rat webs/neuts helping them as well. The PvP player already needs to fly a ship able to penetrate hostile space (i.e. fast and therefore light) and use fitting space for a point, while the pve player only needs to tank long enough for the cavalry to arrive. So to have any chance of success the pvper needs to fit lots of damage, lots of mobility and a point, but now they also need to fit lots of tank and counter ewar for the stockholm syndrome rats.

To be fair the rat aggro would be random, or more obviously the rats would take the opportunity to gtfo (in belts at least).

Personally I think some standing related mechanic on the part of the rats would be very cool, have good standing to the rats in question and they wont attack you over the ratter who will likely have terrible standing.

And who else is there to fight exactly? The only time any 0.0 kiddies fly in groups of less than 10 is when they rat.

I don't know who you would fight. Maybe those groups of 10 with some friends? Maybe find some solo hunter like yourself? Mount up and go crash some gate camps.

You aren't looking for a fight, you are looking for a kill. I hear Noctis salvagers are easy to pop in high sec. Well, ok... I got popped in seconds in high sec in my noctis. It will teach me to not store my unused salvage in it. The thing popped like a Christmas pinata for CODE.

Im actually looking to make it intersting, if i bring in a confessor or svipul vs that plexing ishtar i get a enjoyable fight and a good killmail. However i need to time it so that i land with all rats beeing almost dead for it to work. So in 99% of the cases ill get an orthrus or machariel or 100mn tengu, go in and blap without any sort of difficulty.

Yeah, cause landing a D3 on a ship incapable of fighting back makes for elite PvP. "Oh, they put drones on me!!!" Switch to propulsion mode and simply outrun the drones... yeah, that's an enjoyable fight.

As stated previously, you're not looking for fights, you're looking for easy kills. If you were looking for fights, you wouldn't be targeting ratters. Fighting ratters is like walking onto a playground and pushing a 4 year old girl off the swing set, with just about as much challenge, and pretty much the same result.