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Garrin Lasyn Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2006.11.19 18:36:00 - [31] Originally by: Fred0 That you after that dream up a 1.8bill sales value for something that was never yours is outrageous. Go get an MBA then come back to me and talk to me about how you value a business. Originally by: Fred0 In addition to this you trick one of our members to get a cheap kill on him and now you are threatening the corp And? I also offered to pay them back after we come to any kind of agreement. Originally by: Fred0 who no doubt you are indebted to for paying your accounts. What are you talking about? I pay for my own accounts with my own RL money. Stop trying to throw chaff into the air and coming up with non starter arguements.
Garrin Lasyn Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2006.11.19 18:39:00 - [32] Originally by: jernej Is this by any chance the first Thief Corp thread? LOL
christoforos Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.19 18:44:00 - [33] Moons don't belong to individuals but to the alliance. You were allowed to use it without paying anything. You made good profit for several months. You were paid back for your initial investment and you were given the whole production until that moment. That's more than fair. No one can steal you something that doesn't belong to you in the first place.
Cyleth Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.19 18:51:00 - [34] Originally by: Garrin Lasyn Originally by: Fred0 That you after that dream up a 1.8bill sales value for something that was never yours is outrageous. Go get an MBA then come back to me and talk to me about how you value a business. Did you just try to make an RL insult with this? Not only you are losing your case with this but you are also losing your own credibility throwing things like that without actually knowing anything about the person in question. -- Nobody stays behind
Drusus Rensus Gallente Klima Galactic	Posted - 2006.11.19 18:51:00 - [35] Interesting thread. Take home lesson: Friends are far and away the most valuable asset you can have in Eve. If you don't have them, you can't really have anything else. You only own what you own in eve if you have the power to keep it. In empire, you can rely on your friends at Concord to help you hold on to what's yours. Once you leave Empire, you're going to need some other friends, or you won't get much, and you won't keep even what you get. Looks to me like the OP just plain and simple didn't have enough friends. He cared more about his isk, and his POSes than he did his corp-mates, so when push came to shove, his corp-mates cared more about his POSes than they did about him. That's the only thing that can really be gleaned from this thread. Unless you were there, you'll never really know what happened.
JINX HSC Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.19 19:01:00 - [36] Originally by: Garrin Lasyn Originally by: Fred0 That you after that dream up a 1.8bill sales value for something that was never yours is outrageous. Go get an MBA then come back to me and talk to me about how you value a business. lolzor.. You have no clue about Freds educational lvl and that kind of coments just show the rest of us that CEI did the right thing.. //mask - KLADDKAKA - Trig read the rulez m8!!!
Miss Overlord Gallente EUROPEANS	Posted - 2006.11.19 19:38:00 - [37] please contact some mercs about this they need work - as for CEI yes i think its the first ever theifing corp thread in a long while
HordeZla Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.19 19:43:00 - [38] My advice, align your self with people that can be trusted and don't revolve the game around how much Isk you make but on how much fun you have. Try again!
Fantome Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.11.19 19:46:00 - [39] I do know the new CEI's co-CEO TwoSide since years, So i can say than garrin yuor story can't be true. Whatever you have got, you deserved it for sure. Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum.
GeoNoSiS Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.19 19:56:00 - [40] I cant say much more than my present/Ex corp mates already have. CEI is a good honest corp and the leadership are all fair , friendly and approachable. As long as you put in the time to aid the corp then there are plenty of perks and you will be treated with respect. They actively encourage people to branch out and do their own thing during quiet times, while the corp offers security etc etc in the home region enabling you to do this. It should be clear to see who has taken advantage of which situation -----------------------------------------------
BlackRain Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.19 21:44:00 - [41] Originally by: Garrin Lasyn Originally by: Fred0 That you after that dream up a 1.8bill sales value for something that was never yours is outrageous. Go get an MBA then come back to me and talk to me about how you value a business. Ladies and Gentlemen, I present you the biggest failure in smacktalk ever to emerge on these forums. ------------------- -
Riggwelter Caldari Drinkers Appreciation Soiciety	Posted - 2006.11.19 23:34:00 - [42] Originally by: Garrin Lasyn Originally by: Fred0 That you after that dream up a 1.8bill sales value for something that was never yours is outrageous. Go get an MBA then come back to me and talk to me about how you value a business. OMG as for a value of this so called business (in actual fact just a mining operation on someone elses land) NIL as you dont and have never controlled the resource your harvesting. I think if you had displayed the attitude you are now prior to seeling the structures you wonuldnt even have been able to sell them.
CamMan Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.20 02:01:00 - [43] Edited by: CamMan on 20/11/2006 02:04:34 Originally by: Garrin Lasyn ..... ò When I was able to be more active, I helped guard systems ò I went down south to help there and attack/scout Goonies ò I came back up to help transport and guard the outpost and transport it. I stayed up until 5 am guarding that dang thing. Then helped guard it the next day. ò I helped with systems when the frenchies were attacking ò I helped gate camp and hunt/scout them in my covertops or recon ship (that's why there isnt' a huge kill count for me on the KB). I was in my covert ops or recon ship most of the time. òWhen it was allowed I ratted to bring my security status up. ................. Garrin, you are looking like a complete tool, has any person read the whole thread and even agreed with you in the slightest way? You want to be part of an alliance, but then you just want to do your own thing and run your own POS's. Your "contributions" to your allaince are common everyday remedial exercises, yet you make them out to be something dramatic. You want an extra 1.4 bill for future earnings, why not just think of it as paying the alliance 1.4 bill in back taxes for your personal profit they let you accumulate when they could have simply added their own POS's at those moons? which if my sums are correct are on the order of 5-8 months at 800mill/month = 4 bill to 6.4 bill. So 1.4 bill tax isnt too bad. You dont own the moons, you dont own the space your "business" is in. The owner of the land wanted to redevelop it, they had no contract with you, they paid you for your assests lost which is more then equitable for you, as they could have just blown them up. That is looking at it with your MBA (**, ) real life analogy. Then on top of that, you kill a corp member as some sort of ransom? You are being a complete , no one in their right mind would accept you in their corp now. You have proven yourself to be one of the most selfish players in EVE, then when you dont get your own way you spit the dummy kill your corpmate as a ransom, and come running to the rest of the EVE community, just to tell then how big a ** you are. I hope you do quit the game, or play solo from now on, the corp and alliance community of EVE are better off without you. I also ask the moderators to lock this thread as it was written by a person in a noob corp, and as such does not belong in COAD thread. edit: I cant believe the words i used didnt pass the profanity filter, man that thing is harsh Originally by: Bender Interesting, no the other one ... tedious
Dao 2 Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.11.20 06:56:00 - [44] Good luck never getting into an alliance again :D ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p) the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that Also the gal
Naim Obeji Minmatar Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.11.20 07:30:00 - [45] CEI appear to have handled this perfectly, in my opinion. Frankly, it sounds to me like they were overly patient and you acted quite the tool.
Miss Overlord Gallente EUROPEANS	Posted - 2006.11.20 07:52:00 - [46] so garrin have u made any mercanery corp contacts yet ? suggets u do if u want revenge for what u percieve as a wrong
Laythun Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.20 09:22:00 - [47] My God i completly missed the bandwagon to ***** this thread . Undercover Brothers It's great being Amarr, aint it?Ö
Death Merchant InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.11.20 11:19:00 - [48] To the OP: Fact: 1) You paid no taxes 2) They weren't your moons 3) You made a huge sum of money 4) You were paid for your pos 5) You killed a member of your corp(on purpose) 6) You were highly inactive in corp activities. 7) Your an asshat "What happens in Deklien stays in Deklien".
KingAc Minmatar North Star Networks	Posted - 2006.11.20 11:25:00 - [49] Fred0 are my master.
Kusotarre Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.20 11:34:00 - [50] Nice, Garrin. With a reputation like yours, maybe you can even make it into a corp like Federal Navy Academy. Don't let The Scope hold you back!
DeadDuck Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.20 12:52:00 - [51] TBH I think that RZR was to nice for him. Dead weight is the best definition for guys like you, and nobody needs a MBA to reach that conclusion

Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.11.20 14:09:00 - [52] Moved from CAOD, otherwise it would have been locked as was started by somone in a NPC corp. Belongs better here anyway. Please avoid personal attacks. thanks - Thanks Hutch. ____ forum rules \| Email us They call me "Hutch" because my name is well... long Actually we call you "Hutch" because people might get the wrong idea of 'God of Young Boys' - Cortes, sigjacker extrodinaire You can't match my sig-jacking skills Cortes!! Oh and we call you Hutch because your the anti-Hitch - Petwraith

Zimi Vlasic F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.11.20 14:10:00 - [53] haha, what a tard Find Roid, Examine, and Excavate Explorer
Garrin Lasyn Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2006.11.20 19:46:00 - [54] Reading the posts, with various perspectives, has given me pause to reflect on what happened with a cooler head. I would like to explain a few things from my perspective and apologize for a few things. Everyone has different perspectives on every event that they share with other people. Given this event, both sides can cite evidence they have. I have chat logs, emails, etcà that I think prove my points. IÆm fairly certain the other side has emails, chat logs; etcà that they think proves their points. Given what happened and how it happened I felt hurt, angry and betrayed by people I felt were friends and then saw how much ISK I was making. I decided they were being greedy, put isk above friendship and ôstoleö the POSs and the moons from me. I wanted revenge. That was my perspective. CEI and you may disagree but that is your perspective. I suspect I know CEIÆs perspective but wonÆt speculate in public on that. I will leave that up to them if they so wish. Yes, there mistakes on my side given my RL obligations, I can think of other ways of handling past events that lead up to the current situation. Others have cited mistakes CEI made. Again, different perspectives on the facts as you see them. I think both sides could have both handled things differently. I would suggest that CEI and I agree to disagree on what was the right and fair way to handle this situation. I do want to apologize for a few things. 1. I should not have aired our dirty laundry in public. I should have kept this between myself and CEIÆs management. It was wrong on my part to do this and I apologize. 2. I should not have insulted Fred0Æs RL educational experience. I am sorry about that. 3. I should not have attacked my now ex-corp mate and destroyed his battleship. As I mentioned I was angry, shocked, wanted revenge. Since my being kicked out of the corp. and the confiscation of my personal POSs came as a complete surprise I felt justified in attacking a corp. mate by surprise. This was wrong on my part. He was an innocent bystander and was collateral damage. I am sorry. a.I do not have the killmail any longer. I will send him 150M isk to pay for his typhoon and nicely kit it out and apologize to him privately. Fred0 or ****ah will you send me his exact name so I can make certain I send the isk to the right person. 4. I also want to apologize to the eve community for involving you in a personal matter between CEIÆs management and myself. That was wrong and IÆm sorry. Given that IÆm in a noob corp. right now, when I go into a system everyone knows what could/could not happen. So, if they wish to attack meàthatÆs fair. If I wish to attack them, thatÆs fair. I hope we can put this behind us and move on. Garrin
Cadela Fria Amarr eXin Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.20 21:01:00 - [55] Originally by: Garrin Lasyn Edited by: Garrin Lasyn on 20/11/2006 20:11:11 Reading the posts, with various perspectives, has given me pause to reflect on what happened with a cooler head. I would like to explain a few things from my perspective and apologize for a few things. Well thats fantastic, you sound like a hero already. But the one problem is you've already been spending too long trying to explain things over and over, and doing a 180 now seems very much too late. Originally by: Garrin Lasyn Everyone has different perspectives on every event that they share with other people. Given this event, both sides can cite evidence they have. I have chat logs, emails, etc… that I think prove my points. I’m fairly certain the other side has emails, chat logs; etc… that they think proves their points. Thats the wonderful thing about reality: Perspective. It allows us to percieve the wonders of the world in all kinds of colors and flavours, right along with death, disease, hunger, war, religion, barney the purple dinosaur, and other tragic happenings in the world. Heres a problem though, you're certain the "other side", meaning the CEI corp and it's management; have chatlogs and emails to prove their point..I'm sorry; think that it proves their point. Chances are mr. Lasyn that if CEI indeed have the alledged sources of proof, it will be things you have either directly said to one or more people, maybe not directly to the ones you were talking about, but have still said, or in some cases, done. See theres no point in trying to derive factual proof from hearsay, rumours, and fictional stories..you know like..the stuff the bible is made out of. So, given this assumption that if they have logs of you saying something, OR doing something...you have those logs too, undeniably, and unless you erased these logs, you still have them. So assuming you didn't, you, in other words, have the logs and emails that prove their point(s). I know it's hard biting the bullet, but there you have it..chomp away. Originally by: Garrin Lasyn Given what happened and how it happened. I felt hurt, angry and betrayed by people I felt were friends and then saw how much ISK I was making. I thought I was doing things within the guidelines that were laidout by the corp. My immediate reaction was that they were being greedy, put isk above friendship and “stole” the POSs and the moons from me. I wanted revenge, to lash out, to make them feel the way that I felt. That was my perspective. CEI and you may disagree but that is your perspective. I suspect I know CEI’s perspective but won’t speculate in public on that. I will leave that up to them if they so wish. Yes, there mistakes on my side given my RL obligations, I can think of other ways of handling past events that lead up to the current situation. Others have cited mistakes CEI made. Again, different perspectives on the facts as you see them. Well that sounds great, you're coming to terms with the fact that you, as you say, "Lashed out". But theres one problem though again. More then often, as far as I know: It is Your responsibility to keep yourself u to date on the guidelines of the corp, because without you keeping yourself aware of what your corp is doing, you will have no idea what you're doing, so to speak. The idea is that a corporation often works as a unit, and therefor the general idea is that what you're doing, is part of what the corporation does. So if you're doing something that's opposite of what a corporation is doing, it's like standing and waiting for a bus and then suddenly your hand grabs a sharp object and stabs the person next to you, in the face...not very pleasent...okay okay, harsh analogy and not really the same thing, but atleast you get the idea (I hope). (continued - I'm in THE Mood ) -Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right
Cadela Fria Amarr eXin Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.20 21:10:00 - [56] Originally by: Garrin Lasyn I think both sides could have both handled things differently. I would suggest that CEI and I agree to disagree on what was the right and fair way to handle this situation. I do want to apologize for a few things. I was writing something about that you can't say you messed up and then automatically push onto the opposing side aswell. Then however, I noticed that you said "I think" and that makes it valid..fact is not a subject of what you think..or the other way around, I forgot which. So ...great! You're right. As for wanting to apologise..again I think it's a little late for that, but hey, thats up for the CEI corp to decide. Originally by: Garrin Lasyn I hope we can put this behind us and move on. Garrin Can't ask people to put things behind them like that...takes time, but hey, who knows. The thing is though, what it seems like you pulled off, is going to haunt you for awhile..I'm just supplying the facts. Thats me 2 cents. -Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right
Garrin Lasyn Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2006.11.20 22:30:00 - [57] Originally by: Cadela Fria Heres a problem though, you're certain the "other side", meaning the CEI corp and it's management; have chatlogs and emails to prove their point..I'm sorry; think that it proves their point. Chances are mr. Lasyn that if CEI indeed have the alledged sources of proof, it will be things you have either directly said to one or more people, maybe not directly to the ones you were talking about, but have still said, or in some cases, done. Poor choice of words. I should have said something like "if" or whatever. I was just trying to point out that we can all look at the same thing and see it from a different angle.
Garrin Lasyn Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2006.11.20 22:32:00 - [58] Originally by: Cadela Fria As for wanting to apologise..again I think it's a little late for that, but hey, thats up for the CEI corp to decide. Originally by: Garrin Lasyn I hope we can put this behind us and move on. Please note, I said, "hope".
slothe Caldari Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.11.21 03:58:00 - [59] op made a big mistake posting as he now looks like the fool. most people know cei to be pretty friendly / tolerant. your going to struggle to get into any corps now. shame.
Filthy Pierre Gallente Blueprint Haus	Posted - 2006.11.21 06:44:00 - [60] I've read both sides of the argument and have considered matters for some time. I'd say that the way CEI can avoid accusations of less than pure motivation would be to generously cede the POSes to a disinterested third party such as myself. I would of course pay a generous tithe to CEI and I promise to charitably invest all remaining profit in good causes within the EVE universe. ...well, it was worth a try, wasn't it? FP

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