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Ki'ath Jahra	Posted - 2006.11.19 10:11:00 - [1] The Rokh is the new, better Dominix. 4 Heavy Nos, 4 Cruise Launchers 1 MWD, 5 ECM/Sensor damps And Nanos! What fun! Thanks a bunch! dies
Faricar Caldari Knightmares Inc	Posted - 2006.11.19 10:23:00 - [2] forgetting something.... Drones?
Risien Drogonne	Posted - 2006.11.19 10:59:00 - [3] Yes, I think the rokh needs fewer launchers. A 4 nos + 4 cruise rokh is pretty unkillable.
murder one Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.19 11:09:00 - [4] Originally by: Risien Drogonne Yes, I think the rokh needs fewer launchers. A 4 nos + 4 cruise rokh is pretty unkillable. Ayup. Because I said so...
Dagis United Knights Mining and Security	Posted - 2006.11.19 11:19:00 - [5] Man now ** like this is really ing me off.. Someone gets beat by a certain ship type and its like OMG its UBER!!! For s sake please stop calling for nerf on every ***** ship.. What next?? Tell you what wouldn't it just be easier to have 1 race, 1 ship type, 1 weapon type and one dmg type.. Then that way we all know what dmg someone will do, what exactly to tank against and what everyone will be in.. ohh yea and make the cap and hp insane so no one ever loses ships again... Wow nice way to make the cry babys happy.. Wait i have a better idea go play swg, thats what they did to the game and they killed it, maybe you want to go there??
Evelgrivion Cohort. Storm Armada	Posted - 2006.11.19 11:20:00 - [6] Is there a reason I dont hear about people complaining about a nos/missile setup on a typhoon? »\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/ Its Cohort. with a C.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.19 11:22:00 - [7] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 19/11/2006 11:33:27 You would be better off using a Typhoon for that tactic actually. Even if it doesnt have as many medium slots. But you can have a good armor tank on it as well as ecm. And you get rof bonus to launchers. I was kind of happy with the Typhoon being the only ship that had 4 launchers and 4 turrets btw. And Maelstrom got only 3 launchers since its a secondary weapon system for the ship. Rohk is actually much more versatile than the Maelstrom. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Asariasha Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.19 11:25:00 - [8] Oh, yes...the Rokh should be nerfed. Please give it just 1 turret and 1 launcher hardpoint, it is sooo powerful! Sorry Risien, but could you please just stfu and think before posting? Compared to a Dominix (me takes a look onto your character pic ooohoo Gallente) the Rokh will suck with this fitting. Even if you would fit Sieges, the dmg dealt would be extremely low, especially after the t2 torp nerf. So, could you please stop your whining about Caldari ships? Does anybody whine about Deimos dealing 1k wreckings or maybe about Megathrons being so versatile? Omfg, I really dislike your behaviour.
Evelgrivion Cohort. Storm Armada	Posted - 2006.11.19 11:25:00 - [9] Originally by: Jim McGregor You would be better off using a Typhoon for that tactic actually. Even if it doesnt have as many medium slots. But you can have a good armor tank on it as well as ecm. And you get rof bonus to launchers. Ok, given that then... Is there a reason people arent complaining about it other than "Minmatar arent Caldari"? »\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/»\_/ Its Cohort. with a C.
UnSiViLiZeD Gallente Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.19 11:27:00 - [10] LOL cant compare it to the domi, you can however compare it to the nanophoon, you are missing a few major points im guessing the tier 3 ships will avg for 120-150 million tier 1 will go for about 60-70 million, and thats the reason you dont see nano tier 2 ships at the moment, and a nanodomi sucks _______________________________________________ Life is a game if your not winning you must be loseing.

Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.19 11:30:00 - [11] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 19/11/2006 11:30:38 Originally by: Evelgrivion Ok, given that then... Is there a reason people arent complaining about it other than "Minmatar arent Caldari"? I dont think most people know much about minmatar battleships. Most people probably just now found out it has 4 launchers. But when caldari gets a ship, half the player base knows about its stats because they can fly it. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Captain Raynor Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.19 11:43:00 - [12] Wow, just wow, Rokh with launchers and nos is overpowered now? Amazing, now I've heard everything. Seriously, wow. Quote: Daniel Jackson > a harbinger cant be a raven cause its not caldari Daniel Jackson > and its not a missle ship Jim Raynor > thank you for that expert analysis DJ
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.19 11:51:00 - [13] Originally by: Ki'ath Jahra The Rokh is the new, better Dominix. 4 Heavy Nos, 4 Cruise Launchers 1 MWD, 5 ECM/Sensor damps And Nanos! What fun! Thanks a bunch! dies More like a Phoon than a Domi... but yeah looks viable.
Captain Raynor Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.19 11:56:00 - [14] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Ki'ath Jahra The Rokh is the new, better Dominix. 4 Heavy Nos, 4 Cruise Launchers 1 MWD, 5 ECM/Sensor damps And Nanos! What fun! Thanks a bunch! dies More like a Phoon than a Domi... but yeah looks viable. you mean other than the fact the phoon is faster, costs half as much, gets loads more drone space, and actually gets a bonus to launchers ect ect.. Quote: Daniel Jackson > a harbinger cant be a raven cause its not caldari Daniel Jackson > and its not a missle ship Jim Raynor > thank you for that expert analysis DJ
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.19 11:58:00 - [15] Originally by: Captain Raynor you mean other than the fact the phoon is faster, costs half as much, gets loads more drone space, and actually gets a bonus to launchers ect ect.. Though I hate to admit it, the man has a point. It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Shayla Sh'inlux Gallente	Posted - 2006.11.19 12:45:00 - [16] Critical difference of course being that the Phoon doesn't have the extra midslots to permajam his target. Of course, again, it comes all down to "Nos + ECM + something that doesn't cost cap" = overpowered. Not really the fault of the Rokh that CCP chooses to make Kali capwars. You can blame the Rokh for a lot, but not for this, really.
TZeer Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.19 12:50:00 - [17] Originally by: Ki'ath Jahra The Rokh is the new, better Dominix. 4 Heavy Nos, 4 Cruise Launchers 1 MWD, 5 ECM/Sensor damps And Nanos! What fun! Thanks a bunch! dies Sure it fits, but is it viable?? ECM or damps.... ECM getting nerfed... Damps, u need range to make them effective, but then the NOS will be useless. And the damage it will deal sucks.... Smallest dronebay compared to any of the other BS. Yeah, uber fitting!! WOOOT!!!
Asariasha Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.19 13:03:00 - [18] ECM strenght on ships without ECM bonus is very low. That low that you might face problems to even jam frigs.
Soulita Gallente Inner Core	Posted - 2006.11.19 14:14:00 - [19] Edited by: Soulita on 19/11/2006 14:24:47 Originally by: murder one Originally by: Risien Drogonne Yes, I think the rokh needs fewer launchers. A 4 nos + 4 cruise rokh is pretty unkillable. Ayup. QFT. As far as I understand rokh is supposed to be a rail platform anyways. I must admit though that the rokh as it currently is, is the only new tier3 BS that seems justified in costing more iskies then the older tier1 and tier2 BSs. The other tier3 BSs are different from their tier1 and tier2 counterparts but dont seem more powerful, at least thats my impression.
Captain Raynor Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.19 14:18:00 - [20] PRO TIP: Anything fitted with NOS is teh win in 1v1. Quote: Daniel Jackson > a harbinger cant be a raven cause its not caldari Daniel Jackson > and its not a missle ship Jim Raynor > thank you for that expert analysis DJ

BustyBounty Caldari Vengeance of the Fallen Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.19 14:21:00 - [21] Edited by: BustyBounty on 19/11/2006 14:22:21 rokh with missiles only isnt very good i tanked one in a hyperion with 1 medium armor rep II lol he finally killed me after about 30 mins but only because of all his nos and i was living of cap boosters. he didnt have any ecm though he had a solid tank instead but i guess the point is the same rokh with just missiles = **** oh btw the setup on the main post how does that stop people from warping? by asking nicely? its not killing any bs on its own even with 1000 points of scram the dps is that pathetic i could probably travel 100km to a gate while tanking it ------------------------------------------ My opinions are my own and not that of the alliance I belong to.
Maestro Ulv Phaze-9	Posted - 2006.11.19 14:27:00 - [22] Missiles on a Rokh? What is it with you Caldaris :p Im training cal bs up purely for the long distance hitting of 8 rails. Missiles can go crawl up a dark alley. I'm not bored, I'm merely in the Queue.
s73v3n2k Caldari UK Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.19 15:57:00 - [23] Originally by: Maestro Ulv Missiles on a Rokh? What is it with you Caldaris :p Im training cal bs up purely for the long distance hitting of 8 rails. Missiles can go crawl up a dark alley. Rohk from what i can see does really poor dmg when sniping. A megathron out damages it easily. not right that a tier 2 BS does something much better than a Tier 3
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.19 16:08:00 - [24] Originally by: Captain Raynor Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Ki'ath Jahra The Rokh is the new, better Dominix. 4 Heavy Nos, 4 Cruise Launchers 1 MWD, 5 ECM/Sensor damps And Nanos! What fun! Thanks a bunch! dies More like a Phoon than a Domi... but yeah looks viable. you mean other than the fact the phoon is faster, costs half as much, gets loads more drone space, and actually gets a bonus to launchers ect ect.. Well its absolutely NOTHING like a Dominix, which has vastly more drone space than either, and no launcher points at all.
Kirex Gallente Vale Heavy Industries SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.19 16:44:00 - [25] Yesterday a rokh was tanking 4 hypes at 100% shield while sucking my cap and slowly killing me. Overpowered? Click above for my killboard stats.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.19 17:23:00 - [26] Originally by: Kirex Yesterday a rokh was tanking 4 hypes at 100% shield while sucking my cap and slowly killing me. Overpowered? Its always like that for caldari ships on the test server. They pack a full rack of shield hardeners and extenders and sit back and relax. I went up against a Cerberus with my Hurricane and didnt manage to even get through half his shields before I had to warp out. I killed a Deimos easily though. So its just different... hard to say if its overpowered or not, since you will only encounter those super tanking setups in gangs, and they cant tackle you anyway. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Risien Drogonne	Posted - 2006.11.19 18:49:00 - [27] Originally by: Asariasha Oh, yes...the Rokh should be nerfed. Please give it just 1 turret and 1 launcher hardpoint, it is sooo powerful! Sorry Risien, but could you please just stfu and think before posting? Have you actually fought one with this setup? Hmm? Every one I've encountered was unkillable without 2 friends. It's NOT like the dominix, because you can shoot the domi's primary weapons.
Risien Drogonne	Posted - 2006.11.19 19:05:00 - [28] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Kirex Yesterday a rokh was tanking 4 hypes at 100% shield while sucking my cap and slowly killing me. Overpowered? Its always like that for caldari ships on the test server. They pack a full rack of shield hardeners and extenders and sit back and relax. I went up against a Cerberus with my Hurricane and didnt manage to even get through half his shields before I had to warp out. I killed a Deimos easily though. So its just different... hard to say if its overpowered or not, since you will only encounter those super tanking setups in gangs, and they cant tackle you anyway. I'm sorry but that's just not a valid excuse. There is PLENTY of room in gangs for ships that can't tackle. The idea that any ship not fit to tackle isn't a real PvP setup is a myth.
NI3LS	Posted - 2006.11.19 19:42:00 - [29] Edited by: NI3LS on 19/11/2006 19:48:53 Edited by: NI3LS on 19/11/2006 19:48:16 Originally by: Kirex Yesterday a rokh was tanking 4 hypes at 100% shield while sucking my cap and slowly killing me. Overpowered? I can tank 4 rokhs with a hype while killing stuff too, if I have the right setup and they happen to have it wrong... How about giving specific fittings used etc? Your post just looks like a lame attempt to get a rise out of people...
NI3LS	Posted - 2006.11.19 19:47:00 - [30] Originally by: Maestro Ulv Missiles on a Rokh? What is it with you Caldaris :p Im training cal bs up purely for the long distance hitting of 8 rails. Missiles can go crawl up a dark alley. I happen to have both Gallente and Caldari BS to 5, and I've fought a friend using both on the test server. We've tried long range and short range setups, with the curious result of both being unable to break each other's tank... I don't see why you'd bother to train for the Rokh instead of just using the hype.. Could you explain what makes the Rokh more attractive to you than the Hype, other than the fact that Hype guns are floating rather unatractively in space?



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