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Dregalis DeGraiden
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.06.08 10:56:56 -
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Janeway84 wrote:Sleipnir is great for C3's togheter with a friend in a dominix or other battleship. warp in ships at 0 in site, tell sleipnir to orbit domi , melt down incoming frigates with Auto cannons. Use battleship drones / main weapons to melt battleships , cruisers. Domi fit can be standard T2 armor tank, sleip might need a deadspace L or XL booster if you want to play it safe. If you are really worried about the bs in site can fit sleip with 650 arty's to assist the dominix in shooting them larger stuff.
I prefer to do it solo. If the Sleip can't manage this then I'll feel stupid since I could've already trained for the Loki 2 months ago.
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Nou Mene
Out of Focus Odin's Call
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Posted - 2015.06.08 17:38:49 -
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mm i wouldnt fit a mwd... an ab would give you better cap instantly some ppl downsize the booster (ds medium + booster maybe)
tbh, not sure if enough....
[Sleipnir, Unnamed loadout] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Damage Control II
10MN Afterburner II Shield Boost Amplifier II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Shield Boost Amplifier II Gist C-Type Large Shield Booster
425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M Medium Nosferatu II Medium Nosferatu II
Medium Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard II Medium Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard II
That would give you desired tank for c3 (around 600 dps), but you'll need the noses for cap stability. Keep in mind that you can probably tank fine with noses, but many sites neut you and web you from far away (deep deep falloff) and could get you killed. i Think missiles are still superior for pve, much much better aplication most times, claymore? if you downsize the booster is harder for you to hit the tank needed... i'll probably use at least a synth mindflood and train for loki if you already have projectile and minmie training. |

Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
1090
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Posted - 2015.06.08 21:00:20 -
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I don't get why you use ACs for c3 anoms, you could use 720s. It has less on paper dps, but damn that time on target in comparison. Didn't try ACs, but it looks like you'd end up burning 20secs+ from target to target. |

Jack Miton
WeebleCORP
4487
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Posted - 2015.06.08 23:41:30 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:I don't get why you use ACs for c3 anoms, you could use 720s. It has less on paper dps, but damn that time on target in comparison. Didn't try ACs, but it looks like you'd end up burning 20secs+ from target to target. because there are frigate rats in C3 anoms that 720s wont hit ever.
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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
1090
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Posted - 2015.06.08 23:47:56 -
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Jack Miton wrote: because there are frigate rats in C3 anoms that 720s wont hit ever.
The one frig that you don't blap during mwd-approach, you can leave that one to your drones. |

Jack Miton
WeebleCORP
4487
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Posted - 2015.06.09 00:14:31 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:Jack Miton wrote:because there are frigate rats in C3 anoms that 720s wont hit ever. The one frig that you don't blap during mwd-approach, you can leave that one to your drones. guess that's probably fair. personally I'd be too busy trying to figure out why i'm running C3 sites I guess.
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Dregalis DeGraiden
Perkone Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2015.06.09 01:12:03 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:Jack Miton wrote: because there are frigate rats in C3 anoms that 720s wont hit ever.
The one frig that you don't blap during mwd-approach, you can leave that one to your drones.
I'll have a smartbombing heavy armor tanked Sacrilege to take care of the frigs. Can you judge this fit for me Lloyd for C3's
Sleipnir Arty C3 fit
Highs 5x 720mm Howitzer Artillery II 1x Medium NOS II 1x Prototype Cloaking Device I
Mids 1x 10MN AB II 1x Pithum C-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier 2x Cap Recharger II 1x Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster
Lows 1x DC II 2x Capacitor Relay II 2x Gyrostablizer II
Rigs 1x Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II 1x Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Stats with Low-Grade Crystal Set + Siege Links (with some + 3% damage implants) with my skills
Shield resist~ 83 72 80 77 ~tanks 823 dps Cap Stable @ 53.3% (60% with NOS)
Dps~ 575 with Quake @ 7.5 + 32.8km Drones Hobs II ~ 92dps
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Dregalis DeGraiden
Perkone Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2015.06.09 01:25:50 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Lloyd Roses wrote:Jack Miton wrote:because there are frigate rats in C3 anoms that 720s wont hit ever. The one frig that you don't blap during mwd-approach, you can leave that one to your drones. guess that's probably fair. personally I'd be too busy trying to figure out why i'm running C3 sites I guess. going with arty makes the fit trivial cos you don't need a prop mod. kinda nice. can either go with CCC rigs and a 3 slot + DC tank, or resists rigs and a 2 slot + DC tank. you need to refit to cap rechargers for the neuting sites if you go with the 2 slot version though which is probably more effort than it's worth. as general PVE fitting notes (from looking at the fits posted here): it's never correct to use a boost amp on this ship if you want cap rigs, use CCCs, not memory cells and CERTAINLY not safeguards... dont listen to hard knocks for PVE fitting advice (im assuming that fit is a troll but it's probably not.)
I would too if I could fly Titans and Dreads.
Jack you remind me of my ole Chief Petty Officer when I was in the U.S Navy. He was grumpy as hell, was always sarcastic, but every now and then he'll give ya some real good advice, thanks for the info mate. |

Kalel Nimrott
Henthell Corporation
1146
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Posted - 2015.06.09 01:50:54 -
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CAn't you fly a marauder?
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Dregalis DeGraiden
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.06.09 02:21:10 -
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Kalel Nimrott wrote:CAn't you fly a marauder?
I thought about the Vargur until I kept hearing the stories about them getting bombed to death by Stealth Bombing gangs and one shotted by Dreads, so I trained specifically for the Sleipnir.
I'll need to be in a good WH corp before I use those because I'm sure I'll lose that 1 Bill isk hull within a week if I try bringing one in a WH. If I get ganked in a WH (which will happen sooner or later) I'd rather it be in a Sleip since I can replace one of those in a day and I won't lose SP upon death. |

Kalel Nimrott
Henthell Corporation
1148
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Posted - 2015.06.09 03:23:09 -
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I never had an issue running c3s in Vargur solo with my main as an eye. Really, if you do things right, you don't loose it. But again, c3s died as a source of income for one guy a long time ago.
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Dregalis DeGraiden
Perkone Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2015.06.09 06:29:05 -
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Kalel Nimrott wrote:I never had an issue running c3s in Vargur solo with my main as an eye. Really, if you do things right, you don't loose it. But again, c3s died as a source of income for one guy a long time ago.
Are C3's no longer efficient on a isk/hour basis anymore? They use to generate b/t 80-100 mill isk per hour.
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Jezza McWaffle
Grumpy Bastards No Response
214
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Posted - 2015.06.09 06:58:12 -
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C3's are great solo ISK, my Tengu non blingy did 1 anom every at least 12 mins, and since the blue loot got buffed its what, 50-60 mil a site average just with blue loot?
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Jack Miton
WeebleCORP
4488
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Posted - 2015.06.09 07:03:22 -
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Bottom line is that while HS incursions exist and pay 100mil+ per hour with literal zero risk, there's no point in running high risk C1-3 sites unless youre doing it for fun or live there and dont want to go to HS to make isk.
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Dregalis DeGraiden
Perkone Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2015.06.09 08:31:51 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Bottom line is that while HS incursions exist and pay 100mil+ per hour with literal zero risk, there's no point in running high risk C1-3 sites unless youre doing it for fun or live there and dont want to go to HS to make isk.
Incursions are too crowded with everyone and their mothers doing it in HS. Hardly any FCs accepts you into fleets if you're unknown and inexperienced. In addition the waiting time to get into a fleet can run up to 8+ hours even with a solid faction/T2 fitted NM, so I lost the urges to try that. My goal is to settle and do C4's in a Vargur + Paladin in 3 months when my chars mature, so in the meantime I want to get my feet wet a bit doing C3's while making decent isk before risking 2 bill isk+ Hulls. |

Dregalis DeGraiden
Perkone Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2015.06.09 08:49:16 -
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Jezza McWaffle wrote:C3's are great solo ISK, my Tengu non blingy did 1 anom every at least 12 mins, and since the blue loot got buffed its what, 50-60 mil a site average just with blue loot?
I'm STILL trying to figure out how I overlooked the Tengu when I started training my toons last year. But from what I'm hearing, it's gonna get hit with a nasty nerf soon when the T3C's get a major rebalance.
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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
1093
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Posted - 2015.06.09 12:01:15 -
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[Sleipnir, c3]
Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II
Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster 10MN Afterburner II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Shield Boost Amplifier II Cap Recharger II
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Quake M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Quake M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Quake M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Quake M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Quake M Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
I used a this roughly albeit with meta 2 RLMLs. Then land in site, drop depot and MTU since most of the time you don't need that much cap, and in datas/relics and especialy that triple BS wave, you need a bit more tank. |

Dregalis DeGraiden
Perkone Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2015.06.09 13:12:37 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:[Sleipnir, c3]
Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II
Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster 10MN Afterburner II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Shield Boost Amplifier II Cap Recharger II
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Quake M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Quake M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Quake M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Quake M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Quake M Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
I used a this roughly albeit with meta 2 RLMLs. Then land in site, drop depot and MTU since most of the time you don't need that much cap, and in datas/relics and especialy that triple BS wave, you need a bit more tank.
Some Questions
What is your cap stability like with this fit? DC II is not needed? Is the Capacitor Flux Coil II preferred over the Capacitor Relays? I was under the impression that you have to get your cap stability to at least 50% or the neut pressure will drain your cap, is this true or false? Do some C3's have heavier neut pressure than others?
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Lloyd Roses
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Posted - 2015.06.09 13:30:59 -
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The fit tanks 700/s at 45%+ stable. The AB is handy to close in on some upholder/preserver BS in the last wave. Else for solo, I'd ALWAYS start by removing the sleeper sentries. It might take a while, but you can run the remaining anom with more gank.
Anything *upholder* does a ton of laser damage (em/therm) and neuts, orbit far out and has almost no tank. Anything *preserver* has RR, deals nearly exclusively kin/exp via missiledamage that you can mitigate, orbits far out and tanks decently. Anything *defender* has hell of a tank, balanced and high damage and orbits in optimal range.
ED: Flux coils are nearly as good as power relais. (nearly, because impacting neuts punch you from 60% to 30% instead of 60% to 50% due to cap-buffer penalty) DC II is one of the mods you can swap in for your first runs, when you're not feeling safe yet and want a safety net. It's far from needed/beneficial though compared to another gyro or CFC. When you're having issues tanking, it's wiser to drop a depot and tank out your mids while moving cap recharge via flux coils to the lows until you fixed the issue at hand. |

Kalel Nimrott
Henthell Corporation
1149
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Posted - 2015.06.09 13:54:57 -
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Dregalis DeGraiden wrote:Kalel Nimrott wrote:I never had an issue running c3s in Vargur solo with my main as an eye. Really, if you do things right, you don't loose it. But again, c3s died as a source of income for one guy a long time ago. Are C3's no longer efficient on a isk/hour basis anymore? They use to generate b/t 80-100 mill isk per hour.
The problem is not the ISK/hour ratio. The problem is the spawn ration. At two sites a day, given or take 1, how much isk can you make in a month?
Also, correnting Lloyd (sorry, LLoyd) if you memorize the spawn points of the sites, you don't need an AB or prop mod at all.
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Jezza McWaffle
Grumpy Bastards No Response
214
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Posted - 2015.06.09 13:56:07 -
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We've heard more about changes to POS's than T3's so I wouldn't hold your breath :P
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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
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Posted - 2015.06.09 15:08:24 -
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Kalel Nimrott wrote: Also, correnting Lloyd (sorry, LLoyd) if you memorize the spawn points of the sites, you don't need an AB or prop mod at all.
It's not to get to the spawns, it's so you can shoot preservers/upholders from 30 instead of from 65. I didn't run them with a sleipnir since before the RR-fix even, so I might very well be outdated. I switched entirely to RR-domis a while back and can only account for changes from that POV. |

Dregalis DeGraiden
Perkone Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2015.06.10 00:44:02 -
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Jezza McWaffle wrote:We've heard more about changes to POS's than T3's so I wouldn't hold your breath :P
Probably right, CCP will lose a lot of subscribers if they do to the Tengu what they did to the Drake. I'll start training missiles on one of my toons ASAP.
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Dregalis DeGraiden
Perkone Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2015.06.10 00:47:39 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:Kalel Nimrott wrote: Also, correnting Lloyd (sorry, LLoyd) if you memorize the spawn points of the sites, you don't need an AB or prop mod at all.
It's not to get to the spawns, it's so you can shoot preservers/upholders from 30 instead of from 65. I didn't run them with a sleipnir since before the RR-fix even, so I might very well be outdated. I switched entirely to RR-domis a while back and can only account for changes from that POV.
Looks like they upgraded the difficulty of WH sites from last year, need to test this out on SiSi. Do you happen to know how I can get SiSi to work without interfering with TQ on the same computer?
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Iyokus Patrouette
Sudden Buggery Prolapse.
499
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Posted - 2015.06.10 00:59:58 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Bottom line is that while HS incursions exist and pay 100mil+ per hour with literal zero risk, there's no point in running high risk C1-3 sites unless youre doing it for fun or live there and dont want to go to HS to make isk.
Listening to all those neckbeards on incursion comms though. . is probably a huge risk to ones sanity, at least solo C3 sites you can run while listening to the more entertaining corp comms, lets not forget the potential to gank the gankers 
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Kalel Nimrott
Henthell Corporation
1149
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Posted - 2015.06.10 01:03:48 -
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"Open wide, here comes the airplane"
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Dregalis DeGraiden
Perkone Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2015.06.10 01:11:28 -
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Iyokus Patrouette wrote:Jack Miton wrote:Bottom line is that while HS incursions exist and pay 100mil+ per hour with literal zero risk, there's no point in running high risk C1-3 sites unless youre doing it for fun or live there and dont want to go to HS to make isk. Listening to all those neckbeards on incursion comms though. . is probably a huge risk to ones sanity, at least solo C3 sites you can run while listening to the more entertaining corp comms, lets not forget the potential to gank the gankers 
Heh heh, precisely why I've trained multiple chars xD. Afterall there is no need to hunt for prey when they can come to you.
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Jack Miton
WeebleCORP
4488
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Posted - 2015.06.10 01:39:47 -
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Iyokus Patrouette wrote:Jack Miton wrote:Bottom line is that while HS incursions exist and pay 100mil+ per hour with literal zero risk, there's no point in running high risk C1-3 sites unless youre doing it for fun or live there and dont want to go to HS to make isk. Listening to all those neckbeards on incursion comms though. . is probably a huge risk to ones sanity, at least solo C3 sites you can run while listening to the more entertaining corp comms, lets not forget the potential to gank the gankers  lol, that's why you always, ALWAYS mute incursions comms. the sites are not exactly complicated and once youve done then once or twice, you should be able to follow along without comms easily enough. especially if the FC is not a complete muppet and broadcasts correctly ect.
you can make ok isk in C3 sites and theyre fine to do if you have a C3 static and have absolutely nothing else going on but grinding them for isk as a main source? that's just a poor choice.
If i was to run them in a sleipnir, I'd probably use something like this:
Quote:[Sleipnir, C3 Test] Damage Control II Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Tracking Enhancer II
Gist A-Type Large Shield Booster Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Tracking Computer II Tracking Computer II Imperial Navy Cap Recharger
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion M Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II
Warrior II x5
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Dregalis DeGraiden
Perkone Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2015.06.10 05:34:04 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Iyokus Patrouette wrote:Jack Miton wrote:Bottom line is that while HS incursions exist and pay 100mil+ per hour with literal zero risk, there's no point in running high risk C1-3 sites unless youre doing it for fun or live there and dont want to go to HS to make isk. Listening to all those neckbeards on incursion comms though. . is probably a huge risk to ones sanity, at least solo C3 sites you can run while listening to the more entertaining corp comms, lets not forget the potential to gank the gankers  lol, that's why you always, ALWAYS mute incursions comms. the sites are not exactly complicated and once youve done then once or twice, you should be able to follow along without comms easily enough. especially if the FC is not a complete muppet and broadcasts correctly ect. you can make ok isk in C3 sites and theyre fine to do if you have a C3 static and have absolutely nothing else going on but grinding them for isk as a main source? that's just a poor choice. If i was to run them in a sleipnir, I'd probably use something like this: Quote:[Sleipnir, C3 Test] Damage Control II Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Tracking Enhancer II
Gist A-Type Large Shield Booster Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Tracking Computer II Tracking Computer II Imperial Navy Cap Recharger
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion M Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II
Warrior II x5
A nice fit, a little too blingy for me though and it's not nearly cap stable enough to endure the neuting pressure in the sites. But YOU who have both the isk and experience could probably pull it off.
As for grinding for isk, what do you propose I do then, C4's? Or should I try incursions again and stock up on isk before doing C3's?
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Dregalis DeGraiden
Perkone Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2015.06.11 07:37:23 -
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Kalel Nimrott wrote:Dregalis DeGraiden wrote:Kalel Nimrott wrote:I never had an issue running c3s in Vargur solo with my main as an eye. Really, if you do things right, you don't loose it. But again, c3s died as a source of income for one guy a long time ago. Are C3's no longer efficient on a isk/hour basis anymore? They use to generate b/t 80-100 mill isk per hour. The problem is not the ISK/hour ratio. The problem is the spawn ration. At two sites a day, given or take 1, how much isk can you make in a month? Also, correnting Lloyd (sorry, LLoyd) if you memorize the spawn points of the sites, you don't need an AB or prop mod at all.
So did CCP reduce the rate at which sites re-spawns? I do recall a comment from Fozzie about how Null bears are racking in too much isk and such. |
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