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Dregalis DeGraiden Perkone Caldari State 1	Posted - 2015.06.06 09:01:04 - [1] - Quote What's up space sharks, I'm about to begin a solo journey in C3's in my Sleip but no matter how I try to fit it, I can't seem to get it cap stable with a pith x-type large shield booster (besides using Gist which is too blingy for me). Does anyone have any suggestions or can a cap boosted fit using Pith X-type XL shield booster sufficient? Or is dual XL ASB's the way to go? Any help is appreciated.
Jack Miton WeebleCORP 4482	Posted - 2015.06.06 09:22:50 - [2] - Quote officer mod it and you'll be fine There is no Bob. Stuck In Here With Me: http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe: http://feeds.feedburner.com/CloakyScout
Dregalis DeGraiden Perkone Caldari State 1	Posted - 2015.06.06 09:31:06 - [3] - Quote Jack Miton wrote: officer mod it and you'll be fine You use to be quite the cool fella back in the day, a pity you've been contaminated with the troll disease. Or the original Jack Milton sold his toon to a complete spazoid.
Amak Boma Dragon Factory 120	Posted - 2015.06.06 09:36:24 - [4] - Quote use 2x large ancillary shield boosters or one x-large and shield boost amplifier. would suggest using strong blue pill to give you 30% shield boost
Luft Reich No Vacancies 85	Posted - 2015.06.06 12:08:57 - [5] - Quote Dregalis DeGraiden wrote: Jack Miton wrote: officer mod it and you'll be fine You use to be quite the cool fella back in the day, a pity you've been contaminated with the troll disease. Or the original Jack Milton sold his toon to a complete spazoid. Dang...... ISD Cyberdyne liked your forum post
Azn 1337 Kune Do 66	Posted - 2015.06.06 14:10:40 - [6] - Quote Dregalis DeGraiden wrote: Jack Miton wrote: officer mod it and you'll be fine You use to be quite the cool fella back in the day, a pity you've been contaminated with the troll disease. Or the original Jack Milton sold his toon to a complete spazoid. Oh no you dittent... The only alt allowed to post in C&P
Candi LeMew Isogen 5 31706	Posted - 2015.06.06 17:23:39 - [7] - Quote Dregalis DeGraiden wrote: Jack Miton wrote: officer mod it and you'll be fine You use to be quite the cool fella back in the day, a pity you've been contaminated with the troll disease. Or the original Jack Milton sold his toon to a complete spazoid. http://i.imgur.com/dSLMP92.jpg In Anoikis .. Bob Is Always Watching ... "I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James GÖ¬ -ér-à-ò-é -ôew, -ôear none, -òave yo-àr love -ôor only one.
Cherri LeMew Nighthawk Exploration Anoikis Ronin 63	Posted - 2015.06.06 17:32:04 - [8] - Quote The audacity of NPC alts these days. Amak Boma wrote: use 2x large ancillary shield boosters Also this.
Kalel Nimrott Henthell Corporation 1144	Posted - 2015.06.06 18:41:11 - [9] - Quote Dregalis DeGraiden wrote: Jack Miton wrote: officer mod it and you'll be fine You use to be quite the cool fella back in the day, a pity you've been contaminated with the troll disease. Or the original Jack Milton sold his toon to a complete spazoid. I thought you were the troll, but then you were serious. Henthell Corporation ESD Director.
Dregalis DeGraiden Perkone Caldari State 1	Posted - 2015.06.07 00:25:31 - [10] - Quote This thread has obviously become a trolling hangout, thanks to that idiot Jack. Devs, you can close this thread out now, i'll get my answers else where.
Paul Vashar Periphery Bound New Signature 50	Posted - 2015.06.07 00:53:06 - [11] - Quote Dregalis DeGraiden wrote: This thread has obviously become a trolling hangout, thanks to that idiot Jack. Devs, you can close this thread out now, i'll get my answers else where. It's best to ignore the troll posts and find the answers you need (they are here btw) Also, it's never a good idea to call a troll post out (it just invites more of the same, especially if that post is from Jack!) Best of luck next time
Dregalis DeGraiden Perkone Caldari State 1	Posted - 2015.06.07 01:23:39 - [12] - Quote Paul Vashar wrote: Dregalis DeGraiden wrote: This thread has obviously become a trolling hangout, thanks to that idiot Jack. Devs, you can close this thread out now, i'll get my answers else where. It's best to ignore the troll posts and find the answers you need (they are here btw) Also, it's never a good idea to call a troll post out (it just invites more of the same, especially if that post is from Jack!) Best of luck next time I gotcha, so the problem actually began when I responded to the troll post, shame on me. Also I wish there was a way you can block reknown trolls from posting in your thread.
Kalel Nimrott Henthell Corporation 1145	Posted - 2015.06.07 05:27:14 - [13] - Quote Not answering works better, but that is just me. Henthell Corporation ESD Director.
Krops Vont Hard Knocks Inc. Hard Knocks Citizens 74	Posted - 2015.06.07 05:41:31 - [14] - Quote Average c3 site dps for anoms are 650 and 800 if you are a battleship (sig + nasty missiles) Its better to do them in a passive gila/rattlesnake. Depending on your price range, 2 domis are much better if you don't even fit gist/pith. [Sleipnir, C3] Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Damage Control II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Shield Boost Amplifier II Cap Recharger II 50MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Hobgoblin II x5 Nanite Repair Paste x200 Hail M x10000 Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile x5000 Mobile Depot x1 Sisters Core Scanner Probe x8 Improved Cloaking Device x1 Mobile Tractor Unit x1 Nanofiber Internal Structure x2 Warp Core Stabilizer x3 Core Probe Launcher x1 850dps 700dps tank 1500m/s travel Capstable 400m You could probably fit some nice pimp and people will come help run the sites with you ;) --==Services==-- Propaganda/Art/Media Wormhole Finding & Selling o/ Play for fun
Dregalis DeGraiden Perkone Caldari State 1	Posted - 2015.06.07 07:52:57 - [15] - Quote Krops Vont wrote: Average c3 site dps for anoms are 650 and 800 if you are a battleship (sig + nasty missiles) Its better to do them in a passive gila/rattlesnake. Depending on your price range, 2 domis are much better if you don't even fit gist/pith. [Sleipnir, C3] Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Damage Control II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Shield Boost Amplifier II Cap Recharger II 50MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Hobgoblin II x5 Nanite Repair Paste x200 Hail M x10000 Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile x5000 Mobile Depot x1 Sisters Core Scanner Probe x8 Improved Cloaking Device x1 Mobile Tractor Unit x1 Nanofiber Internal Structure x2 Warp Core Stabilizer x3 Core Probe Launcher x1 850dps 700dps tank 1500m/s travel Capstable 400m You could probably fit some nice pimp and people will come help run the sites with you ;) Thanks for the helpful fit Krops, I didn't think to use the Capacitor Relays since they reduce shield boost amount, but I guess it's the only way to get this Sleip capstable. Had I'd known the Sleip had such bad cap recharge, I'd went with the Loki.
Jack Miton WeebleCORP 4485	Posted - 2015.06.07 08:40:19 - [16] - Quote Here's how much I care what an NPC alt thinks of me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E9Hv6fJtgQ There is no Bob. Stuck In Here With Me: http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe: http://feeds.feedburner.com/CloakyScout
Amak Boma Dragon Factory 121	Posted - 2015.06.07 10:48:59 - [17] - Quote you can use capacitor flux coils they reduce capacitor capacity but provide same boost as capacitor power relay but no diminishing your shield boosters. always you can use skill hardener that gives +3 or +4 capacitor capacity they arent that expensive and helps a bit
Dregalis DeGraiden Perkone Caldari State 2	Posted - 2015.06.07 11:28:16 - [18] - Quote Amak Boma wrote: you can use capacitor flux coils they reduce capacitor capacity but provide same boost as capacitor power relay but no diminishing your shield boosters. always you can use skill hardener that gives +3 or +4 capacitor capacity they arent that expensive and helps a bit Are Capacitor Flux coils better than Capacitor Relays on shield tanks?
Tosawa Komarui Exit-Strategy Exit Strategy.. 2	Posted - 2015.06.07 11:36:02 - [19] - Quote i dont know about a slepnir but i know on a tengu a large shield booster is...normally not cap stable, and i dont think its a huge deal, it basically just gives you a little extra burst tank in an emergency but otherwise you dont just leave it running. tho a slepnir is a larger sig i dont know how damage it receives differs from a tengu
Dregalis DeGraiden Perkone Caldari State 2	Posted - 2015.06.07 11:44:47 - [20] - Quote Amak Boma wrote: use 2x large ancillary shield boosters or one x-large and shield boost amplifier. would suggest using strong blue pill to give you 30% shield boost Would 2x large ASB's have enough charges to tank all of C3 sites?
Jack Miton WeebleCORP 4486	Posted - 2015.06.07 11:48:11 - [21] - Quote omg i cant take it anymore. why does no one do ANY cursory research for themselves anymore? http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=WormholeSpaceClass3 PS: ASBs in PVE are fkn stupid. Good luck There is no Bob. Stuck In Here With Me: http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe: http://feeds.feedburner.com/CloakyScout
Dregalis DeGraiden Perkone Caldari State 2	Posted - 2015.06.07 11:49:56 - [22] - Quote Tosawa Komarui wrote: i dont know about a slepnir but i know on a tengu a large shield booster is...normally not cap stable, and i dont think its a huge deal, it basically just gives you a little extra burst tank in an emergency but otherwise you dont just leave it running. a slepnir is a larger sig i dont know how damage it receives differs from a tengu With skirm links the Sleips sig is 145 and yes in the Tengu with the Cap Matrix + 3x Cap Rigs+ 1 Cap Recharger II gets over 55% cap stability using the Pith X-Type large shield booster.
Dregalis DeGraiden Perkone Caldari State 2	Posted - 2015.06.07 11:55:40 - [23] - Quote Jack Miton wrote: omg i cant take it anymore. why does no one do ANY cursory research for themselves anymore? http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=WormholeSpaceClass3 PS: ASBs in PVE are fkn stupid. Good luck Just get the hell out of this thread, MORON and go back escalating Sub-Caps to death in your Moros.
Azn 1337 Kune Do 69	Posted - 2015.06.07 13:43:43 - [24] - Quote Please tell me you lose your **** like this when you die. The only alt allowed to post in C&P
Erica Dusette Isogen 5 45274	Posted - 2015.06.07 13:47:27 - [25] - Quote Oh dear. Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again! Part-Time Wormhole Pirate pâä Full-Time Supermodel Gû+ -+eep+¦ng -+y pro-++¦-òe -ò+¦nce 17\|12\|116 GÖÑ Gû+ wor-+-+ole d+¦ary + c-+arac-éer -¦+¦o-ò
Dregalis DeGraiden Perkone Caldari State 2	Posted - 2015.06.07 13:54:54 - [26] - Quote Azn wrote: Please tell me you lose your **** like this when you die. I'll kill you first before you get the chance xD.
Kellie Dusette Nighthawk Exploration Anoikis Ronin 10257	Posted - 2015.06.07 14:16:43 - [27] - Quote Jack Miton wrote: omg i cant take it anymore. Take breath, in for nose, hold out for mouth. Is going for be okay. Jack Miton wrote: PS: ASBs in PVE are fkn stupid. Good luck Shhh, Mista Miton. Collect all 3 Dusette Sets (Now available in Thukker Tribe Edition) Basic Edition \| Catcember Edition \| Forum Edition
Kalel Nimrott Henthell Corporation 1145	Posted - 2015.06.07 15:59:27 - [28] - Quote Dregalis DeGraiden wrote: Jack Miton wrote: omg i cant take it anymore. why does no one do ANY cursory research for themselves anymore? http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=WormholeSpaceClass3 PS: ASBs in PVE are fkn stupid. Good luck Just get the hell out of this thread, MORON and go back escalating Sub-Caps to death in your Moros. Baby needs a huge. Henthell Corporation ESD Director.
Daniela Doran Ministry of War Amarr Empire 16	Posted - 2015.06.08 05:46:47 - [29] - Quote OP, I guess you've already forgotten that you're suppose to IGNORE THE TROLLING POSTS. Meditate on this if you have to so you'll remember next time. The Loki and the Gila are actually better for C3's then the Sleipnir. The Sleipnir is more suited for PVP than PVE and it's at it's best when fitted with Dual XL-ASB's when used as such. Get PYTA and experiment with different fits until you're satisfied and try them out on SiSi before you die a horrid death due to a fail fit. P.S If you're not sure yet on how to fit a Sleipnir for C3's then you're definitely not ready to PVP in one yet, best to avoid anyone you see in this thread at all cost for now.
Janeway84 Def Squadron Pride Before Fall 168	Posted - 2015.06.08 07:54:07 - [30] - Quote Sleipnir is great for C3's togheter with a friend in a dominix or other battleship. warp in ships at 0 in site, tell sleipnir to orbit domi , melt down incoming frigates with Auto cannons. Use battleship drones / main weapons to melt battleships , cruisers. Domi fit can be standard T2 armor tank, sleip might need a deadspace L or XL booster if you want to play it safe. If you are really worried about the bs in site can fit sleip with 650 arty's to assist the dominix in shooting them larger stuff.
Dregalis DeGraiden Perkone Caldari State 2	Posted - 2015.06.08 10:56:56 - [31] - Quote Janeway84 wrote: Sleipnir is great for C3's togheter with a friend in a dominix or other battleship. warp in ships at 0 in site, tell sleipnir to orbit domi , melt down incoming frigates with Auto cannons. Use battleship drones / main weapons to melt battleships , cruisers. Domi fit can be standard T2 armor tank, sleip might need a deadspace L or XL booster if you want to play it safe. If you are really worried about the bs in site can fit sleip with 650 arty's to assist the dominix in shooting them larger stuff. I prefer to do it solo. If the Sleip can't manage this then I'll feel stupid since I could've already trained for the Loki 2 months ago.
Nou Mene Out of Focus Odin's Call 5	Posted - 2015.06.08 17:38:49 - [32] - Quote mm i wouldnt fit a mwd... an ab would give you better cap instantly some ppl downsize the booster (ds medium + booster maybe) tbh, not sure if enough.... [Sleipnir, Unnamed loadout] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Damage Control II 10MN Afterburner II Shield Boost Amplifier II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Shield Boost Amplifier II Gist C-Type Large Shield Booster 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M Medium Nosferatu II Medium Nosferatu II Medium Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard II Medium Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard II That would give you desired tank for c3 (around 600 dps), but you'll need the noses for cap stability. Keep in mind that you can probably tank fine with noses, but many sites neut you and web you from far away (deep deep falloff) and could get you killed. i Think missiles are still superior for pve, much much better aplication most times, claymore? if you downsize the booster is harder for you to hit the tank needed... i'll probably use at least a synth mindflood and train for loki if you already have projectile and minmie training.
Lloyd Roses Artificial Memories 1090	Posted - 2015.06.08 21:00:20 - [33] - Quote I don't get why you use ACs for c3 anoms, you could use 720s. It has less on paper dps, but damn that time on target in comparison. Didn't try ACs, but it looks like you'd end up burning 20secs+ from target to target.
Jack Miton WeebleCORP 4487	Posted - 2015.06.08 23:41:30 - [34] - Quote Lloyd Roses wrote: I don't get why you use ACs for c3 anoms, you could use 720s. It has less on paper dps, but damn that time on target in comparison. Didn't try ACs, but it looks like you'd end up burning 20secs+ from target to target. because there are frigate rats in C3 anoms that 720s wont hit ever. There is no Bob. Stuck In Here With Me: http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe: http://feeds.feedburner.com/CloakyScout
Lloyd Roses Artificial Memories 1090	Posted - 2015.06.08 23:47:56 - [35] - Quote Jack Miton wrote: because there are frigate rats in C3 anoms that 720s wont hit ever. The one frig that you don't blap during mwd-approach, you can leave that one to your drones.
Jack Miton WeebleCORP 4487	Posted - 2015.06.09 00:14:31 - [36] - Quote Lloyd Roses wrote: Jack Miton wrote: because there are frigate rats in C3 anoms that 720s wont hit ever. The one frig that you don't blap during mwd-approach, you can leave that one to your drones. guess that's probably fair. personally I'd be too busy trying to figure out why i'm running C3 sites I guess. There is no Bob. Stuck In Here With Me: http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe: http://feeds.feedburner.com/CloakyScout
Dregalis DeGraiden Perkone Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.06.09 01:12:03 - [37] - Quote Lloyd Roses wrote: Jack Miton wrote: because there are frigate rats in C3 anoms that 720s wont hit ever. The one frig that you don't blap during mwd-approach, you can leave that one to your drones. I'll have a smartbombing heavy armor tanked Sacrilege to take care of the frigs. Can you judge this fit for me Lloyd for C3's Sleipnir Arty C3 fit Highs 5x 720mm Howitzer Artillery II 1x Medium NOS II 1x Prototype Cloaking Device I Mids 1x 10MN AB II 1x Pithum C-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier 2x Cap Recharger II 1x Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster Lows 1x DC II 2x Capacitor Relay II 2x Gyrostablizer II Rigs 1x Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II 1x Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Stats with Low-Grade Crystal Set + Siege Links (with some + 3% damage implants) with my skills Shield resist~ 83 72 80 77 ~tanks 823 dps Cap Stable @ 53.3% (60% with NOS) Dps~ 575 with Quake @ 7.5 + 32.8km Drones Hobs II ~ 92dps
Dregalis DeGraiden Perkone Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.06.09 01:25:50 - [38] - Quote Jack Miton wrote: Lloyd Roses wrote: Jack Miton wrote: because there are frigate rats in C3 anoms that 720s wont hit ever. The one frig that you don't blap during mwd-approach, you can leave that one to your drones. guess that's probably fair. personally I'd be too busy trying to figure out why i'm running C3 sites I guess. going with arty makes the fit trivial cos you don't need a prop mod. kinda nice. can either go with CCC rigs and a 3 slot + DC tank, or resists rigs and a 2 slot + DC tank. you need to refit to cap rechargers for the neuting sites if you go with the 2 slot version though which is probably more effort than it's worth. as general PVE fitting notes (from looking at the fits posted here): it's never correct to use a boost amp on this ship if you want cap rigs, use CCCs, not memory cells and CERTAINLY not safeguards... dont listen to hard knocks for PVE fitting advice (im assuming that fit is a troll but it's probably not.) I would too if I could fly Titans and Dreads. Jack you remind me of my ole Chief Petty Officer when I was in the U.S Navy. He was grumpy as hell, was always sarcastic, but every now and then he'll give ya some real good advice, thanks for the info mate.
Kalel Nimrott Henthell Corporation 1146	Posted - 2015.06.09 01:50:54 - [39] - Quote CAn't you fly a marauder? Henthell Corporation ESD Director.
Dregalis DeGraiden Perkone Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.06.09 02:21:10 - [40] - Quote Kalel Nimrott wrote: CAn't you fly a marauder? I thought about the Vargur until I kept hearing the stories about them getting bombed to death by Stealth Bombing gangs and one shotted by Dreads, so I trained specifically for the Sleipnir. I'll need to be in a good WH corp before I use those because I'm sure I'll lose that 1 Bill isk hull within a week if I try bringing one in a WH. If I get ganked in a WH (which will happen sooner or later) I'd rather it be in a Sleip since I can replace one of those in a day and I won't lose SP upon death.
Kalel Nimrott Henthell Corporation 1148	Posted - 2015.06.09 03:23:09 - [41] - Quote I never had an issue running c3s in Vargur solo with my main as an eye. Really, if you do things right, you don't loose it. But again, c3s died as a source of income for one guy a long time ago. Henthell Corporation ESD Director.
Dregalis DeGraiden Perkone Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.06.09 06:29:05 - [42] - Quote Kalel Nimrott wrote: I never had an issue running c3s in Vargur solo with my main as an eye. Really, if you do things right, you don't loose it. But again, c3s died as a source of income for one guy a long time ago. Are C3's no longer efficient on a isk/hour basis anymore? They use to generate b/t 80-100 mill isk per hour.
Jezza McWaffle Grumpy Bastards No Response 214	Posted - 2015.06.09 06:58:12 - [43] - Quote C3's are great solo ISK, my Tengu non blingy did 1 anom every at least 12 mins, and since the blue loot got buffed its what, 50-60 mil a site average just with blue loot? C6 Wormhole blog http://holelotofwaffle.wordpress.com/
Jack Miton WeebleCORP 4488	Posted - 2015.06.09 07:03:22 - [44] - Quote Bottom line is that while HS incursions exist and pay 100mil+ per hour with literal zero risk, there's no point in running high risk C1-3 sites unless youre doing it for fun or live there and dont want to go to HS to make isk. There is no Bob. Stuck In Here With Me: http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe: http://feeds.feedburner.com/CloakyScout
Dregalis DeGraiden Perkone Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.06.09 08:31:51 - [45] - Quote Jack Miton wrote: Bottom line is that while HS incursions exist and pay 100mil+ per hour with literal zero risk, there's no point in running high risk C1-3 sites unless youre doing it for fun or live there and dont want to go to HS to make isk. Incursions are too crowded with everyone and their mothers doing it in HS. Hardly any FCs accepts you into fleets if you're unknown and inexperienced. In addition the waiting time to get into a fleet can run up to 8+ hours even with a solid faction/T2 fitted NM, so I lost the urges to try that. My goal is to settle and do C4's in a Vargur + Paladin in 3 months when my chars mature, so in the meantime I want to get my feet wet a bit doing C3's while making decent isk before risking 2 bill isk+ Hulls.
Dregalis DeGraiden Perkone Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.06.09 08:49:16 - [46] - Quote Jezza McWaffle wrote: C3's are great solo ISK, my Tengu non blingy did 1 anom every at least 12 mins, and since the blue loot got buffed its what, 50-60 mil a site average just with blue loot? I'm STILL trying to figure out how I overlooked the Tengu when I started training my toons last year. But from what I'm hearing, it's gonna get hit with a nasty nerf soon when the T3C's get a major rebalance.
Lloyd Roses Artificial Memories 1093	Posted - 2015.06.09 12:01:15 - [47] - Quote [Sleipnir, c3] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster 10MN Afterburner II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Shield Boost Amplifier II Cap Recharger II 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Quake M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Quake M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Quake M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Quake M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Quake M Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II I used a this roughly albeit with meta 2 RLMLs. Then land in site, drop depot and MTU since most of the time you don't need that much cap, and in datas/relics and especialy that triple BS wave, you need a bit more tank.
Dregalis DeGraiden Perkone Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.06.09 13:12:37 - [48] - Quote Lloyd Roses wrote: [Sleipnir, c3] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster 10MN Afterburner II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Shield Boost Amplifier II Cap Recharger II 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Quake M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Quake M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Quake M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Quake M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Quake M Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II I used a this roughly albeit with meta 2 RLMLs. Then land in site, drop depot and MTU since most of the time you don't need that much cap, and in datas/relics and especialy that triple BS wave, you need a bit more tank. Some Questions What is your cap stability like with this fit? DC II is not needed? Is the Capacitor Flux Coil II preferred over the Capacitor Relays? I was under the impression that you have to get your cap stability to at least 50% or the neut pressure will drain your cap, is this true or false? Do some C3's have heavier neut pressure than others?
Lloyd Roses Artificial Memories 1093	Posted - 2015.06.09 13:30:59 - [49] - Quote The fit tanks 700/s at 45%+ stable. The AB is handy to close in on some upholder/preserver BS in the last wave. Else for solo, I'd ALWAYS start by removing the sleeper sentries. It might take a while, but you can run the remaining anom with more gank. Anything upholder does a ton of laser damage (em/therm) and neuts, orbit far out and has almost no tank. Anything preserver has RR, deals nearly exclusively kin/exp via missiledamage that you can mitigate, orbits far out and tanks decently. Anything defender has hell of a tank, balanced and high damage and orbits in optimal range. ED: Flux coils are nearly as good as power relais. (nearly, because impacting neuts punch you from 60% to 30% instead of 60% to 50% due to cap-buffer penalty) DC II is one of the mods you can swap in for your first runs, when you're not feeling safe yet and want a safety net. It's far from needed/beneficial though compared to another gyro or CFC. When you're having issues tanking, it's wiser to drop a depot and tank out your mids while moving cap recharge via flux coils to the lows until you fixed the issue at hand.
Kalel Nimrott Henthell Corporation 1149	Posted - 2015.06.09 13:54:57 - [50] - Quote Dregalis DeGraiden wrote: Kalel Nimrott wrote: I never had an issue running c3s in Vargur solo with my main as an eye. Really, if you do things right, you don't loose it. But again, c3s died as a source of income for one guy a long time ago. Are C3's no longer efficient on a isk/hour basis anymore? They use to generate b/t 80-100 mill isk per hour. The problem is not the ISK/hour ratio. The problem is the spawn ration. At two sites a day, given or take 1, how much isk can you make in a month? Also, correnting Lloyd (sorry, LLoyd) if you memorize the spawn points of the sites, you don't need an AB or prop mod at all. Henthell Corporation ESD Director.
Jezza McWaffle Grumpy Bastards No Response 214	Posted - 2015.06.09 13:56:07 - [51] - Quote We've heard more about changes to POS's than T3's so I wouldn't hold your breath :P C6 Wormhole blog http://holelotofwaffle.wordpress.com/
Lloyd Roses Artificial Memories 1093	Posted - 2015.06.09 15:08:24 - [52] - Quote Kalel Nimrott wrote: Also, correnting Lloyd (sorry, LLoyd) if you memorize the spawn points of the sites, you don't need an AB or prop mod at all. It's not to get to the spawns, it's so you can shoot preservers/upholders from 30 instead of from 65. I didn't run them with a sleipnir since before the RR-fix even, so I might very well be outdated. I switched entirely to RR-domis a while back and can only account for changes from that POV.
Dregalis DeGraiden Perkone Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.06.10 00:44:02 - [53] - Quote Jezza McWaffle wrote: We've heard more about changes to POS's than T3's so I wouldn't hold your breath :P Probably right, CCP will lose a lot of subscribers if they do to the Tengu what they did to the Drake. I'll start training missiles on one of my toons ASAP.
Dregalis DeGraiden Perkone Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.06.10 00:47:39 - [54] - Quote Lloyd Roses wrote: Kalel Nimrott wrote: Also, correnting Lloyd (sorry, LLoyd) if you memorize the spawn points of the sites, you don't need an AB or prop mod at all. It's not to get to the spawns, it's so you can shoot preservers/upholders from 30 instead of from 65. I didn't run them with a sleipnir since before the RR-fix even, so I might very well be outdated. I switched entirely to RR-domis a while back and can only account for changes from that POV. Looks like they upgraded the difficulty of WH sites from last year, need to test this out on SiSi. Do you happen to know how I can get SiSi to work without interfering with TQ on the same computer?
Iyokus Patrouette Sudden Buggery Prolapse. 499	Posted - 2015.06.10 00:59:58 - [55] - Quote Jack Miton wrote: Bottom line is that while HS incursions exist and pay 100mil+ per hour with literal zero risk, there's no point in running high risk C1-3 sites unless youre doing it for fun or live there and dont want to go to HS to make isk. Listening to all those neckbeards on incursion comms though. . is probably a huge risk to ones sanity, at least solo C3 sites you can run while listening to the more entertaining corp comms, lets not forget the potential to gank the gankers ---- Advocate for the initiation of purple coloured wormholes----
Kalel Nimrott Henthell Corporation 1149	Posted - 2015.06.10 01:03:48 - [56] - Quote "Open wide, here comes the airplane" Henthell Corporation ESD Director.
Dregalis DeGraiden Perkone Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.06.10 01:11:28 - [57] - Quote Iyokus Patrouette wrote: Jack Miton wrote: Bottom line is that while HS incursions exist and pay 100mil+ per hour with literal zero risk, there's no point in running high risk C1-3 sites unless youre doing it for fun or live there and dont want to go to HS to make isk. Listening to all those neckbeards on incursion comms though. . is probably a huge risk to ones sanity, at least solo C3 sites you can run while listening to the more entertaining corp comms, lets not forget the potential to gank the gankers Heh heh, precisely why I've trained multiple chars xD. Afterall there is no need to hunt for prey when they can come to you.
Jack Miton WeebleCORP 4488	Posted - 2015.06.10 01:39:47 - [58] - Quote Iyokus Patrouette wrote: Jack Miton wrote: Bottom line is that while HS incursions exist and pay 100mil+ per hour with literal zero risk, there's no point in running high risk C1-3 sites unless youre doing it for fun or live there and dont want to go to HS to make isk. Listening to all those neckbeards on incursion comms though. . is probably a huge risk to ones sanity, at least solo C3 sites you can run while listening to the more entertaining corp comms, lets not forget the potential to gank the gankers lol, that's why you always, ALWAYS mute incursions comms. the sites are not exactly complicated and once youve done then once or twice, you should be able to follow along without comms easily enough. especially if the FC is not a complete muppet and broadcasts correctly ect. you can make ok isk in C3 sites and theyre fine to do if you have a C3 static and have absolutely nothing else going on but grinding them for isk as a main source? that's just a poor choice. If i was to run them in a sleipnir, I'd probably use something like this: Quote: [Sleipnir, C3 Test] Damage Control II Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Tracking Enhancer II Gist A-Type Large Shield Booster Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Tracking Computer II Tracking Computer II Imperial Navy Cap Recharger 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion M Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II Warrior II x5 There is no Bob. Stuck In Here With Me: http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe: http://feeds.feedburner.com/CloakyScout
Dregalis DeGraiden Perkone Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.06.10 05:34:04 - [59] - Quote Jack Miton wrote: Iyokus Patrouette wrote: Jack Miton wrote: Bottom line is that while HS incursions exist and pay 100mil+ per hour with literal zero risk, there's no point in running high risk C1-3 sites unless youre doing it for fun or live there and dont want to go to HS to make isk. Listening to all those neckbeards on incursion comms though. . is probably a huge risk to ones sanity, at least solo C3 sites you can run while listening to the more entertaining corp comms, lets not forget the potential to gank the gankers lol, that's why you always, ALWAYS mute incursions comms. the sites are not exactly complicated and once youve done then once or twice, you should be able to follow along without comms easily enough. especially if the FC is not a complete muppet and broadcasts correctly ect. you can make ok isk in C3 sites and theyre fine to do if you have a C3 static and have absolutely nothing else going on but grinding them for isk as a main source? that's just a poor choice. If i was to run them in a sleipnir, I'd probably use something like this: Quote: [Sleipnir, C3 Test] Damage Control II Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Tracking Enhancer II Gist A-Type Large Shield Booster Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Tracking Computer II Tracking Computer II Imperial Navy Cap Recharger 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion M Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II Warrior II x5 A nice fit, a little too blingy for me though and it's not nearly cap stable enough to endure the neuting pressure in the sites. But YOU who have both the isk and experience could probably pull it off. As for grinding for isk, what do you propose I do then, C4's? Or should I try incursions again and stock up on isk before doing C3's?
Dregalis DeGraiden Perkone Caldari State 4	Posted - 2015.06.11 07:37:23 - [60] - Quote Kalel Nimrott wrote: Dregalis DeGraiden wrote: Kalel Nimrott wrote: I never had an issue running c3s in Vargur solo with my main as an eye. Really, if you do things right, you don't loose it. But again, c3s died as a source of income for one guy a long time ago. Are C3's no longer efficient on a isk/hour basis anymore? They use to generate b/t 80-100 mill isk per hour. The problem is not the ISK/hour ratio. The problem is the spawn ration. At two sites a day, given or take 1, how much isk can you make in a month? Also, correnting Lloyd (sorry, LLoyd) if you memorize the spawn points of the sites, you don't need an AB or prop mod at all. So did CCP reduce the rate at which sites re-spawns? I do recall a comment from Fozzie about how Null bears are racking in too much isk and such.
Dregalis DeGraiden Perkone Caldari State 4	Posted - 2015.06.11 08:03:57 - [61] - Quote Jack Miton wrote: Iyokus Patrouette wrote: Jack Miton wrote: Bottom line is that while HS incursions exist and pay 100mil+ per hour with literal zero risk, there's no point in running high risk C1-3 sites unless youre doing it for fun or live there and dont want to go to HS to make isk. Listening to all those neckbeards on incursion comms though. . is probably a huge risk to ones sanity, at least solo C3 sites you can run while listening to the more entertaining corp comms, lets not forget the potential to gank the gankers lol, that's why you always, ALWAYS mute incursions comms. the sites are not exactly complicated and once youve done then once or twice, you should be able to follow along without comms easily enough. especially if the FC is not a complete muppet and broadcasts correctly ect. you can make ok isk in C3 sites and theyre fine to do if you have a C3 static and have absolutely nothing else going on but grinding them for isk as a main source? that's just a poor choice. If i was to run them in a sleipnir, I'd probably use something like this: Quote: [Sleipnir, C3 Test] Damage Control II Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Tracking Enhancer II Gist A-Type Large Shield Booster Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Tracking Computer II Tracking Computer II Imperial Navy Cap Recharger 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion M Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II Warrior II x5 Actually atm I'm currently running lev 4 SOE missions on 4 different chars. Between the 4 different chars I can always get the top paying missions every hour which generates a good consistent 40-50 mill isk per hour. Doing WH's is more of a change of pace for me then grinding for isk, also I'm curious to see if i can make more isk doing C3's than Lev 4 SOE missions.
Kalel Nimrott Henthell Corporation 1149	Posted - 2015.06.11 15:46:59 - [62] - Quote I've been doing soe missions with this toon alone in an ishtar and have been doing about 150mill/hour... Henthell Corporation ESD Director.
Dregalis DeGraiden Perkone Caldari State 4	Posted - 2015.06.12 02:50:00 - [63] - Quote Kalel Nimrott wrote: I've been doing soe missions with this toon alone in an ishtar and have been doing about 150mill/hour... Be serious mate, if you could make that much isk doing SOE missions then everyone including incursion runners & wormholers would be doing it. If you include the good LP/isk ratio, I'd say on average you looking at around 50 mill isk per hour and top is around 75 mill isk per hour. And that is with 4 chars that have access to the Lev 4 missions with 2 of them running the missions simultaneously in Domis/Gilas. If you claim to make more than that with just one toon, then you're trolling mate.
Kalel Nimrott Henthell Corporation 1149	Posted - 2015.06.12 04:41:08 - [64] - Quote Why do you think I'm in hisec, dude? I can give you that not always I do 150, sometimes I do 100 when those stupid missions cannot be avoided, but still. I get 2 asteros BPC in one hour and 5 to 10 minutes, checked couse while I'm producing it, I'm running missions with this toon. That is 140 mill. Tacking the cost of the bpc, 30mill, you go down to 110. Tacking the cost of the materials..., lol, less than a mill. and you still come up with with 40 to 50 mill in the wallet + some worth it loot, of about a quarter of a mill each that you pick, which you get by not even looking if you drop a MTU. And you even get the cost of the materials if you reprocess the t1 ammo and the lesser loot... Come on, you cannot do that math? And my standing with the sisters ranges from 8.0 to 9.7. Up and down... Henthell Corporation ESD Director.
Jack Miton WeebleCORP 4491	Posted - 2015.06.12 04:54:58 - [65] - Quote Well, yes... you can make more in a C3 than in HS winning L4s... There is no Bob. Stuck In Here With Me: http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe: http://feeds.feedburner.com/CloakyScout
Dregalis DeGraiden Perkone Caldari State 5	Posted - 2015.06.12 07:54:10 - [66] - Quote Kalel Nimrott wrote: Why do you think I'm in hisec, dude? I can give you that not always I do 150, sometimes I do 100 when those stupid missions cannot be avoided, but still. I get 2 asteros BPC in one hour and 5 to 10 minutes, checked couse while I'm producing it, I'm running missions with this toon. That is 140 mill. Tacking the cost of the bpc, 30mill, you go down to 110. Tacking the cost of the materials..., lol, less than a mill. and you still come up with with 40 to 50 mill in the wallet + some worth it loot, of about a quarter of a mill each that you pick, which you get by not even looking if you drop a MTU. And you even get the cost of the materials if you reprocess the t1 ammo and the lesser loot... Come on, you cannot do that math? And my standing with the sisters ranges from 8.0 to 9.7. Up and down... Damn, you got me good mate. Wasn't even thinking of doing SOE missions in low sec let alone producing ships from the BPC's. How do you avoid the gankers in low sec or are you in an Alliance or Corp that have access to these dangerous areas without risk of getting ganked?
Dregalis DeGraiden Perkone Caldari State 5	Posted - 2015.06.12 08:11:21 - [67] - Quote Jack Miton wrote: Well, yes... you can make more in a C3 than in HS winning L4s... Well that's good to know. Heh, it seems that no activity in Hi-Sec interest you mate. Well I can't blame ya, if I'd started playing this game back in mid 2011 when I first known about it, you can bet I'd be flying both a Moros and Archon doing C5/C6's like the rest of ya space sharks racking in that juicy isk. But in 2013 the Marauders rose to power which made the Moros/Archon combo no longer a necessity in doing C5's. So my next stop wil be Vargur & 2x Paladins in C4's then C5's......provided I don't get escalated on.
Kalel Nimrott Henthell Corporation 1150	Posted - 2015.06.12 11:37:53 - [68] - Quote Who told you I'm in lowsec? I said I was in hisec. Again, the problem with C3s is the spawning rates of the sites. Henthell Corporation ESD Director.
Nox52 Lycosa Syndicate Prolapse. 84	Posted - 2015.06.19 06:47:24 - [69] - Quote I feel like I should thank you guys for a recent sleipnir ganked in a c3 site. Thank you!
Dregalis DeGraiden Perkone Caldari State 7	Posted - 2015.06.19 11:07:34 - [70] - Quote Nox52 wrote: I feel like I should thank you guys for a recent sleipnir ganked in a c3 site. Thank you! Who ganked who?
Nox52 Lycosa Syndicate Prolapse. 85	Posted - 2015.06.20 06:59:22 - [71] - Quote Dregalis DeGraiden wrote: Nox52 wrote: I feel like I should thank you guys for a recent sleipnir ganked in a c3 site. Thank you! Who ganked who? I can't fly a sleipnir so it sure wasn't mine :)

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